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#310 - Snookbone (01/31/2013) [-]
Sorry to add gasoline to the flames kindling this 						*********					, but I want to know something...   
   
What is this "TRUE" Christian I often hear spoken of? Is he or she the nice non-judgemental person, that is possible for any of us to be, regardless of religious affiliation, or the person who studies the Bible in detail and follows it to the last letter? Doing all the stoning and 						****					? Both could fit that description.   
   
It's a bit of a trick question of course, seeing as the Bible contradicts itself so many times, or at least seems to.   
   
Not trying to add my own excreta to the 						*********					, just looking for opinions on something around which my head cannot get.   
   
Have some tea.
Sorry to add gasoline to the flames kindling this ********* , but I want to know something...

What is this "TRUE" Christian I often hear spoken of? Is he or she the nice non-judgemental person, that is possible for any of us to be, regardless of religious affiliation, or the person who studies the Bible in detail and follows it to the last letter? Doing all the stoning and **** ? Both could fit that description.

It's a bit of a trick question of course, seeing as the Bible contradicts itself so many times, or at least seems to.

Not trying to add my own excreta to the ********* , just looking for opinions on something around which my head cannot get.

Have some tea.
User avatar #349 to #310 - hirollin (01/31/2013) [-]
Jesus. There is no such thing as a perfect person. There is no such thing as a perfect Christian. One of the main points of the Bible is to become more Christ-like while simultaneously realizing that you can never be perfect. The end result of you realizing you are not perfect is the realization that you need Jesus because you are non-perfect and therefore can not enter heaven on your own.
User avatar #508 to #349 - Snookbone (02/01/2013) [-]
An interesting point, but considering the brutal and megalomaniacal behaviour of God in the Old Testament, does this make it somewhat irrelevant?

One thing I found rather interesting is the Cathar's interpretation of the scripture ("Cathar" in the local languages of Occitania in modern South France and Spain means "good Christian"). They acknowledged how nasty the Old Testament was, and interpreted the God of the Old Testament as akin to the Devil. Of course they were wiped out almost completely by the paranoid Catholic Church.

How do you view the Old Testament in this reckoning?
User avatar #538 to #508 - hirollin (02/01/2013) [-]
In regard to the which I was previously mentioning, the Old Testament serves as the standards in which one must live by to get to heaven (among other things like prophesy of Messiah etc. etc.) and when a person tries to live by those standards and fails, The New Testament is there to show that you can't do it all by yourself, you need Jesus to help you.

As for God in the Old Testament he was indeed very violent and vengeful. He even was in the New Testament. If I remember correctly He turned his back on His own Son when He (Jesus) took on the sins of the world. Harsh no? Well, the point being of God's harshness and violence is that His (God the Father) has a much different standard of Justice than humanity does today. So it is illogical to judge the standards and justice system of a people that lived thousands of years ago to that of today.

Going on that previous point it is illogical to judge the standards and justice of a god that is the actual God.

Now, even though God did all those harsh things like turning His back on His on son, without it the world would have been a worse place. If Jesus hadn't have done what He did then we would still have to go to Temples and the Holy Spirit wouldn't be here and we may or may not be able to go to heaven etc. etc. (But I don't have near enough characters to dive into that debate) So even though God does things that in the eyes of someone living in the time period we do now may seem awful, He did them out of love and protection of his people and ultimately the world.

God the Father never had some personality change between the Old Testament and New Testament. Jesus just serves as a... defense lawyer of sorts testifying on behalf of humanity.
User avatar #542 to #538 - Snookbone (02/01/2013) [-]
Very rational. Thumb for you.
User avatar #321 to #310 - Kaiserlome (01/31/2013) [-]
"TRUE Christian" refers to the type of christian that the person using the phrase is affiliated with. It's an ego wank.
User avatar #513 to #321 - Snookbone (02/01/2013) [-]
I kind of see where you're coming from here. People who see themselves as "true" Christians will clearly believe their own personal "brand" (for want of a better word) of Christianity is the better one to follow, even if they acknowledge they are not perfect.

It makes logical sense that we all believe our own opinions are the best to have, otherwise why would we have them?

Thanks for the reply.
User avatar #299 - bushingenna (01/31/2013) [-]
I was gonna say something neutral, but then I remembered that this is internet and ****
User avatar #288 - taintedangel (01/31/2013) [-]
Don't worry Christians, we'll be gentile.

huehuehue
User avatar #293 to #288 - occamsrazor (01/31/2013) [-]
I was going to say inb4 your comment, but it seems your comment has been inb4 mine. Touche.
#280 - anonymous (01/31/2013) [-]
Lol, stupid
#271 - midgetsturnmeon (01/31/2013) [-]
I, for one, have never seen a Christian treat an atheist poorly. TRUE Christians are nice to others and don't threaten people that they'll burn in hell when they die. Now atheists treating Christians poorly is a whole different story. Do you ever see a Christian post bashing atheism on the front page? No, you never do. It's always this crap.
#316 to #271 - zzombiee (01/31/2013) [-]
I'm an atheist and I have NEVER treated a christian poorly. I accept their beliefs and I go on my way...
User avatar #353 to #316 - ugottanked ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
and thats a good way to think
User avatar #363 to #358 - ugottanked ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
hell, im slightly religious and i think this way

(christian but might practice zen bhuddism as well, i know, weird combination)

so anyways, nice to meet ya :3 how are ya doing this fine day?
#371 to #363 - zzombiee (01/31/2013) [-]
Nice to meet you too, Mr. ugottanked, I'm doing fine today. You?
User avatar #415 to #371 - ugottanked ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
my finals got finished today, so im no longer stressed out

god i hate finals xD
User avatar #420 to #415 - zzombiee (01/31/2013) [-]
Hahahaha so do I :D
User avatar #425 to #420 - ugottanked ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
so what did your day consist of?
#460 to #425 - zzombiee (02/01/2013) [-]
Music, FunnyJunk, Facebook, Twitter, and video games.
User avatar #505 to #460 - ugottanked ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
sounds like a productive day :3

mine consisted of mainly the same thing
User avatar #309 to #271 - robopuppy (01/31/2013) [-]
First of all, you're using the one true Scotsman fallacy. It isn't logically sound.
Second, I believe that pastor means the historical treatment of Atheists. Everything from public ridicule to disembowelment was quite common for those who didn't accept religious teachings.
User avatar #444 to #309 - timmywankenobi (01/31/2013) [-]
epically if you don't accept the glory of Allah !
User avatar #300 to #271 - therealslim (01/31/2013) [-]
Well technically zlamous got a couple there
#298 to #271 - linktheherooftime (01/31/2013) [-]
I really can't get away with bashing Christians in my town. This place is so backwards that their really not willing to listen to a voice of reason (I'm not Atheist though, I'm agnostic but I tend to lean more towards creationism). It also doesn't help the fact that I'm a Liberal in a Republican town, or that I actually have to stay in the closet for fear of my life.
User avatar #315 to #298 - taintedangel (01/31/2013) [-]
If you're old enough to move to a new town/city, then do it.
User avatar #320 to #315 - linktheherooftime (01/31/2013) [-]
Can't my Grandma needs my help, and the town I live in is near where I go to school.
User avatar #325 to #320 - taintedangel (01/31/2013) [-]
Ah i see. Then i suppose you have to wait it out for now. :/
#345 to #325 - linktheherooftime (01/31/2013) [-]
Yeah. Well at least the school I've chosen is in a Liberal town. The only Liberal town in Kansas.
User avatar #294 to #271 - taintedangel (01/31/2013) [-]
The only one in the modern age who can call himself Christian was Dr. Marten Luthor King, becasue he actually practiced loving his enemies.

And Ghandi was so Christian he was Hindu.
User avatar #311 to #294 - robopuppy (01/31/2013) [-]
MLK was pretty homophobic, man. He was generally a great guy but I wouldn't say he loved everyone.
User avatar #272 to #271 - galacticboner (01/31/2013) [-]
Christian used to burn atheists.
#275 to #272 - midgetsturnmeon (01/31/2013) [-]
Well I'm talking about this day and age. I try to listen to atheists and just have friendly arguments. No need to wip out the swear words and weapons.
User avatar #683 to #275 - robopuppy (02/01/2013) [-]
You're lucky if that's the most Atheists are doing. They could be trying to get even for all that happened throughout history.
User avatar #286 to #275 - roninneko (01/31/2013) [-]
Except some atheists, especially in the U.S., will actually be shunned and/or disowned by their families. 47% of the interviewed population said that they distrust and hate atheists above all else - including pedophiles and murderers.
User avatar #372 to #286 - galacticboner (01/31/2013) [-]
I practically grew up in church, my education was partially catholic and my family is deeply catholic as well, when I'm an atheist. If I "come out" as an atheist I'll probably be frowned upon in every family meeting henceforth and seen as a satan-worshiping faggot-loving anarchist
#291 to #286 - midgetsturnmeon (01/31/2013) [-]
That's just messed up. I really hope that's not true.
#285 to #275 - anonymous (01/31/2013) [-]
In this day and age, even a TRUE Christian will tell you you'll burn in hell, they'll just be "nice" about it and cover it up with "go to our hip, awesome church with Christian rock and hosted in a school cafeteria (to save your soul)".
#289 to #285 - midgetsturnmeon (01/31/2013) [-]
You just contradicted yourself.

1. "TRUE Christian will tell you to burn in hell..."

2. "Cover it up with 'go to our hip....(to save your soul)"

If they brought you somewhere to get your soul saved, you wouldn't burn in hell.
#312 to #289 - anonymous (01/31/2013) [-]
Is not going to church really going to send me to hell? Can I go out and help other less fortunate and STILL get sent to hell just because I didn't go to that hell? I would actually welcome hell if God couldn't look past my spiritual beliefs and attendance.
User avatar #303 to #289 - Kaiserlome (01/31/2013) [-]
But nobodies going to change their mind because of some ****** song. Christian songs tend to be kinda terrible. By them telling you to save your soul by converting, this implies you're going to burn in hell if you don't and 99% of the time people don't convert.
#304 to #303 - midgetsturnmeon (01/31/2013) [-]
I agree the songs are terrible. They all are saying the same things. But the 99% thing is completely wrong. I've seen MANY people come to the Lord. Not necessarily through a song, but through other means.
User avatar #307 to #304 - Kaiserlome (01/31/2013) [-]
Oh yeh through other means definitely people convert. But not through songs, but the point is that trying to save someones soul implies they're going to hell.
#308 to #307 - midgetsturnmeon (01/31/2013) [-]
Yes. If they don't convert, they will burn in hell. That is correct sir. Would you like a biscuit?
User avatar #314 to #308 - Kaiserlome (01/31/2013) [-]
You made an irrational point and I corrected you. Why are you patronising me?
#268 - felixjarl ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
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User avatar #267 - galkawhm (01/31/2013) [-]
If there were retaliation, they'd be no better than the other group. If there is one thing JRPGs have taught me, violence just leads to more violence. Someone has to step down and stop it.
#263 - xxscopemanxx (01/31/2013) [-]
"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle."   
-Brennan Manning
"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle."
-Brennan Manning
User avatar #340 to #263 - Kellanved (01/31/2013) [-]
And he was right.
#256 - avatarsarefornoobs (01/31/2013) [-]
are we seriously still on this?   
   
   
   
where is the funny?
are we seriously still on this?



where is the funny?
User avatar #252 - phunkyzilla (01/31/2013) [-]
Ugh OP why'd you contribute to this **** . The Atheist vs Christian and the Christian vs Atheist battle can't be won as it's just one of those things. Like a Republican arguing with a Democrat it's basically both sides calling the other side wrong and stupid for believing what they believe.
User avatar #254 to #252 - Zarke (01/31/2013) [-]
This neither tries to prove nor disprove one side or the other. This simply acknowledges a growing demographic.
User avatar #274 to #251 - theshadowed (01/31/2013) [-]
SCREW YOUR TALOS ******** . Thalmor ****** up your white trash Nord asses.
#235 - anonymous (01/31/2013) [-]
hey remember that war atheism started? said no one ever

but seriously what a wise pastor, excellent insight
#226 - warlockrichard ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
User avatar #225 - CRosBY (01/31/2013) [-]
I'm Christian ad I've never treated anyone bad.
User avatar #290 to #225 - roninneko (01/31/2013) [-]
Fallacy: use of anecdotal evidence.
User avatar #269 to #225 - darman (01/31/2013) [-]
Utter ******** . Everyone is mean and unkind at some point whether they know it or not. Most don't go out of their way to be unpleasant but everyone rubs someone the wrong way at one time or another.
User avatar #338 to #269 - CRosBY (01/31/2013) [-]
lol
#228 to #225 - anonymous (01/31/2013) [-]
read a history book.

or google crusades
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User avatar #248 to #240 - megatrollinator (01/31/2013) [-]
He's mostly referring to a passage in the bible which states that "The sins of the father shall be passed to the son"
User avatar #257 to #248 - Zarke (01/31/2013) [-]
To which he can counter-quote the Bible and claim that he is not responsible for the sins of his father.
User avatar #262 to #257 - megatrollinator (01/31/2013) [-]
Exactly. Don't you just love Biblical Contradictions?
User avatar #264 to #262 - Zarke (01/31/2013) [-]
Well, that's what happens when you effectively have a massive quote compilation from countless people who interpret the same beliefs differently while looking through the lens of what is socially acceptable in their current societies.
User avatar #276 to #264 - megatrollinator (01/31/2013) [-]
TL;DR: Sh*t be Wack, you
#233 to #228 - anonymous (01/31/2013) [-]
Christians haven't really treated atheists bad. The crusades were against other religions. The 30 Years War was Protestants Vs. Catholics.
#241 to #233 - insanefreak (01/31/2013) [-]
Um.. Remember what the Crusades did in Hungary? No? Well, kinda logical. Not many Christians were left alife there..
Remember what Christians did with most people they encountered that didn't share their faith? They kinda started killing them too. The Teutonic Order, for example, focused on wiping out the pagans of Lithuania.

Religion's often been used as an excuse to kill people. Don't let it get to you if you believe in God though. Religion is (to most, some are really fanatical, but most aren't like that) something widely seen as an excuse to go ahead and steal something that you want. Like money, or territory, or slaves, or fame, power, glory..

Still, quite a gutsy man to actually risk saying it like that. I'm pretty sure his higher ups won't share his point of view. But if there were more pastors like him, people might go to church more often.
User avatar #278 to #241 - theshadowed (01/31/2013) [-]
YEah, the Crusades... Not our finest hour. The 4th Crusade in a nutshell: Not enough pagans and infidels! Time to kill anyone we find! How about we loot the richest city in the world? Hooray for slaughter!
#266 to #241 - tranminh (01/31/2013) [-]
Stalin purge Christianity out of Eastern Europe, both sides are at fault at some point in history. There's no point looking backwards when you're supposed to move forwards.

User avatar #232 to #228 - CRosBY (01/31/2013) [-]
Well even if the Crusades were as simple as you think that's still irrelevant.
#220 - breakfastlunch (01/31/2013) [-]
MFW religious arguments come up (not this post in particular, just generally).   
   
Seriously, you believe one thing, they believe another.  That's not a reason to start a flame war.  Or crash a plane into a building.
MFW religious arguments come up (not this post in particular, just generally).

Seriously, you believe one thing, they believe another. That's not a reason to start a flame war. Or crash a plane into a building.
User avatar #432 to #220 - superanonymouspers (01/31/2013) [-]
That sure doesn't stop countries from going to ACTUAL war.
#221 to #220 - zsabber (01/31/2013) [-]
... but I like crashing planes into building... its our national sport....
#229 to #221 - breakfastlunch (01/31/2013) [-]
That's just plane wrong, man.  That kind of humor doesn't fly around here.
That's just plane wrong, man. That kind of humor doesn't fly around here.
User avatar #253 to #229 - megatrollinator (01/31/2013) [-]
ALLAHUEHUEHUE ACKBARHARHAR
#255 to #253 - gisuar (01/31/2013) [-]
i read it as alluehuehue crackbar
User avatar #218 - javalord (01/31/2013) [-]
As an Atheist myself I try to treat the religious and their beliefs with respect. I never disrespect someone because of their religion (except for scientologists... ******* crazies). If a religious person wishes to have a philosophical debate with me or tries to argue why they are right rudely I respond rationally with my views and beliefs. I do this because I wish to separate myself from the stereotype attached to Atheists and show that we are not all what some believe us to be.

TLDR: I'm an Atheist and not an asshole.
User avatar #279 to #218 - maggotarms (01/31/2013) [-]
i sort of agree,im an atheist and i tolerate religions to the extent where they aren't crashing aeoroplanes into landmarks
User avatar #234 to #218 - smittywrbmnjnsn (01/31/2013) [-]
I'm also an atheist, and I am VERY angry at the fact that you know nothing more about Scientology than what southpark has told you. It's not crazy, the religion's number 1 rule is "you can make of our guidelines, what you wish", and that's what southpark made fun of. The guidelines are actually very VERY intelligent, reasonable, and realistic.
User avatar #260 to #234 - megatrollinator (01/31/2013) [-]
Actually, Scientology's principles may be fine, but their beliefs aren't.

Do you honestly think that anyone would believe this: "70 Million Years ago, Galactic Emperor Xenu brought thousands of his people to Earth on a DC-8 shaped Spececraft. He then lined them up around volcanoes and dropped H-Bombs into the volcanoes, killing them. The life force of those people is what gave the Earth it's ability to sustain Life Today"?

Would any sane person believe that?
#356 to #260 - anonymous (01/31/2013) [-]
Because talkig snakes, walking on water, virginbirth, angels, world flood, a baot holding all the animals in the world and a sacrficie to yourself to allow yourself to forgive a sin that was part of your divine plan, is perfectly reasonable to believe...?
User avatar #655 to #356 - megatrollinator (02/01/2013) [-]
I'm an Atheist. I was just pointing out one of the beliefs of Scientology.
User avatar #296 to #260 - smittywrbmnjnsn (01/31/2013) [-]
Okay, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
That is 1 branch, that has taken the actual religion, and the rule "believe what you want, as long as it follows the guidelines".
It is what southpark has made fun of, and it is now what everyone believes to be the entire religion.
90% of scientologists believe something different.
User avatar #659 to #296 - megatrollinator (02/01/2013) [-]
I'm Sorry. I looked up Scientology on Wikipedia, and I was linked to Xenu
#243 to #234 - anonymous (01/31/2013) [-]
He only called them crazy..he didn't even explain anything about them. Rage much?
User avatar #238 to #234 - javalord (01/31/2013) [-]
Actually after I saw that episode I decided to do some research about Scientology. But really that part of my comment was intended to be a joke. Maybe it doesn't come out right because you couldn't hear the tone I was using in my head while writing it.
User avatar #242 to #238 - smittywrbmnjnsn (01/31/2013) [-]
I read it as a joke, but decided to call you out on it anyway.
User avatar #245 to #242 - javalord (01/31/2013) [-]
Were you looking for a fight?
User avatar #292 to #245 - smittywrbmnjnsn (01/31/2013) [-]
Maybe a little.
#259 to #245 - gisuar (01/31/2013) [-]
he is an atheist what did you expect to happen?

trololol
User avatar #212 - bighairyfart (01/31/2013) [-]
isnt there a rule in the bible "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"? If they were TRUE christians, they would let us burn hundreds of them at the steak
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User avatar #281 to #212 - theshadowed (01/31/2013) [-]
Christians already had it done to them. Emperor Nero of the Roman Empire used to cover about a hundred in wax for his parties, and have Christian Candles.
User avatar #244 to #212 - thebrownydestroyer **User deleted account** (01/31/2013) [-]
Then you would just be another barbaric murderer. If Christians actually did this now they would be completely wiped out as soon as possible.
#227 to #212 - breakfastlunch (01/31/2013) [-]
>burn hundreds of them at the steak
>at the steak
>steak
#215 to #212 - itsbendingtime (01/31/2013) [-]
I'm an Atheist as well, but dude... no.
User avatar #211 - brettd (01/31/2013) [-]
We are no longer beating a dead horse. We are mercilessly pulverizing three dead horses with a spike baseball bat.
User avatar #216 to #211 - randomserb (01/31/2013) [-]
This.
#208 - achphoenix (01/31/2013) [-]
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