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#259 - thecratcher (01/30/2013) [-]
But, but, intelligence isn't hereditary...
#260 to #259 - anon (01/30/2013) [-]
It isn't, but if you have stupid parents, 9 times out of 10, the child will be stupid as a result of the stupid parenting.
#261 to #259 - anon (01/30/2013) [-]
Meh. the stupidity of parents may rub off on the kids, making them not worry about education. Stupid parents help make their kids stupid.
User avatar #262 to #259 - collegedood (01/30/2013) [-]
watch the move "idiocracy". it explains everything
#217 - applelemon (01/30/2013) [-]
I just noticed this guy in the picture. He looks pretty sad.
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#182 to #174 - anon (01/30/2013) [-]
.... So you're just gonna pull stupid things out of your ass and sct like you know what you said, huh? The percentage isn't getting higher... The percentage stays the same, while the total population grows making the number of smart people higher.. But not the percentage.
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#112 - helenwheels (01/30/2013) [-]
"Everyone these days is stupid!..!!. except for me!!... and also, things have gotten worse.."    
If you spoke to any random individual from the 1700's do you really think they'd be smarter than any random individual today? This generation, where education is mote free and open to anyone than it has EVER been?   
   
People aren't as dumb as you think they are, you're just so self centered that you assume people are stupied when they annoy you talking to someone else, if you made friends you'd see that they really aren't as dumb as they sound.
"Everyone these days is stupid!..!!. except for me!!... and also, things have gotten worse.."
If you spoke to any random individual from the 1700's do you really think they'd be smarter than any random individual today? This generation, where education is mote free and open to anyone than it has EVER been?

People aren't as dumb as you think they are, you're just so self centered that you assume people are stupied when they annoy you talking to someone else, if you made friends you'd see that they really aren't as dumb as they sound.
#115 to #112 - MacheteJoe (01/30/2013) [-]
Its from a movie, relax
Its from a movie, relax
User avatar #287 to #115 - helenwheels (01/31/2013) [-]
Its a ******* retarded move then, isn't it?
#288 to #287 - MacheteJoe (01/31/2013) [-]
In a way...yes. You made a very valid point but there is a widening gap between the intelligent and the ignorant. I live in a rural area of north Georgia and it's happening similar to what op and the movie described. I think H.G. Wells had the right idea in "The Time Machine" with humans spliting into two different species. Just not as drastic as in the book.
In a way...yes. You made a very valid point but there is a widening gap between the intelligent and the ignorant. I live in a rural area of north Georgia and it's happening similar to what op and the movie described. I think H.G. Wells had the right idea in "The Time Machine" with humans spliting into two different species. Just not as drastic as in the book.
User avatar #164 to #112 - redeadhunter (01/30/2013) [-]
That's a pretty good point, actually. Yeah, if you look at history you'l hear about plenty of geniuses such as Galileo, Einstein and Tesla But let's look at how much support these men got and look at their time periods

Galileo, who lived in the 1600s brought some very enlightening knowledge as to the Nature of our Solar System. Sent to prison for heresy.

Tesla, from the 1800s gave us the light bulb. ****** over at the patent office by Thomas Edison and bitch-slapped into relative obscurity.

Einstein in the 1900s, with revolutionary ideas for Gravity, time and the speed of light. Contributor to the Manhatten Project. Won Nobel peace prize, International reverence and fame during and well after his lifetime.

In a relative sense, humanity is becoming more and more enlightened as time goes on.
#91 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
You know that they have to adjust the IQ scale every so many years because the average person is getting SMARTER with about one IQ point per decade, right?
You know that they have to adjust the IQ scale every so many years because the average person is getting SMARTER with about one IQ point per decade, right?
User avatar #93 to #91 - anotherone (01/30/2013) [-]
this ^
User avatar #122 to #91 - Scorch (01/30/2013) [-]
are you sure?, because I got freakin 130 on the dutch IQ from last year and I did halve of it on beer
The scale on that one was based on all the dutch people who took it (and actually submitted there score)

and I'm not saying this to point out my own intellegence because I sucked at it...
User avatar #149 to #122 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
'de nationale IQ-test' you mean? that one on tv? easy explanation: there is a time-limit, which normal IQ-tests don't have on most of the subjects. a lot of the things that are tested on a normal IQ-test are not tested in this tv-show. some of the things that are tested in the tv-show (like long-time memory) are tested in a completely different way. the tv-test is much shorter. I bet you aren't the only one who took it on beer. and last but not least, they want people to feel smart. keeps them watching.

an average IQ is 100. IQ of 130 is very, very good.
User avatar #236 to #149 - Scorch (01/30/2013) [-]
also that 130 wasn't a real good test in an actual test with guessingcorrection I'd have scored way lower
User avatar #233 to #149 - Scorch (01/30/2013) [-]
yea that one, seems like a logical explanation.
I see you've looked into these things alot and I was wondering what do you think of the IQ test as a whole? Because personally I don't believe it's a good representative for one's intellegence (then again that might be lack of knowledge about the tests)
for one all the tests I have seen consist of 20% language and grammar. In my opinion this shouldn't part of the test because one's ability to use proper grammer and spelling isn't an actual skill that's affacted by your brain's capacity to proces information. It is only affacted by the list of words and rules you have or haven't learned.
I know that's just one part of the test but I have some other arguments which I don't have the time for to formulate right now.

So what do you think about it?
User avatar #247 to #233 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
I am not an expert in these things. Far from it. (also, I live in the Netherlands, so I watched the show last year.) I just have some interest in the human mind- that's why I know some things about some common mental disorders, why I know what an IQ test is about. I also have some knowlege about how tv-shows work in general- and that means that while they like the word 'science', they simplify any and everything. de nationale IQ test is fun to do, but, as you said youself, it isn't to be taken seriously.

the importance of IQ tests is at least debatable. social intelligence seems to be more important to be succesfull in life. your determination to learn something is more important to become good at something.

if you are interested at this kind of thing, I can reccomend to read magazines like Quest (understandable science magazine) and look around the internet- but always be aware that the internet is an unreliable source

I am just a final-year VWO'er who has a memory for interesting facts.
User avatar #277 to #247 - Scorch (01/30/2013) [-]
You don't have to be an expert to give an opinion, it just helps to be at least a little bit informed. I figured since you knew at least a bit it would have been interesting to hear your opinion ^^

coïncidently I'm also just a just final exam student xd but someone I knew had her ProfielWerkstuk on IQ etc a few years ago it was pretty interesting, that's where I got most of my knowledge about it.

I suppose you could say that. And it's definetly a good mindset to learn as much as possible. I think there's just so many skills people can have that it would be kind of silly to prioritize them or reduce them to nothing but a sily mark, I think it's best to figure out for yourself with what kind of skills you have but more importantly like and develop thos as much as possible ^^

well thnks for the chat and good luck with your exams
#155 to #91 - bearpirate (01/30/2013) [-]
Really, a single point per ******* decade? Please tell me how significant that change is.
User avatar #162 to #155 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
that means that, if they don't adjust it, in fourhunderd years, a normal person would score 140, and thus, would be considered gifted

it also means that someone who scores 100 on a test now (average) would be considered retarded in threehunderd years time.

so yes, it is significant.
#169 to #162 - bearpirate (01/30/2013) [-]
If you get really ******* technical you can look up the Flynn effect and it'll state that the average intelligence quotient is actually rising by around 3 points per decade in almost all parts of the world.
#166 to #162 - bearpirate (01/30/2013) [-]
I know how to math thank you. IQ does not measure intelligence, it measures the ability to learn and retain information. You could have someone with a genius level IQ and not very much actual knowledge. Take a child for example.
User avatar #202 to #166 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
isn't that ability intelligence? I always assumed that knowledge and intelligence are two different things. someone can have had very little education, but still be verry intelligent. but please excuse me if I am wrong.

this probably is a language barrier, because english is my third language, and while some (like these) words are close to each other in meaning and sound in many language, the nuances are different. take all those flame wars over 'socialism' for example.
User avatar #170 to #91 - opsbeard (01/30/2013) [-]
I forget which episode this is... I know its season 2...
#86 - DrollHumor (01/30/2013) [-]
I like how it is explained in Idiocracy, stupid people have a lot of kids they can't care for, so they become stupid kids. These stupid kids go out and knock up their stupid high school lovers and quickly produce more stupid kids. Smart people have maybe one or two, who are well taught and well mannered and go on to have one or two themselves at a more appropriate age. Not only does this takes more time for the genes to be passed along, but it's to a generation no bigger than the one before it.

With a ratio like that, smart people are becoming extinct.
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#250 - thenaiveone (01/30/2013) [-]
I suppose you would like that Eugenics started up again, wouldn't you?
User avatar #221 - drneno (01/30/2013) [-]
Anyone else see the contradiction? If our generation gets dumber each generation, how do we develop better medicine?
User avatar #245 to #221 - mrnolanbarker (01/30/2013) [-]
Doctor's or scientists in the medical field are getting smarter, everyone else....not so much.
User avatar #230 to #221 - galkawhm (01/30/2013) [-]
As a whole we get more stupid. Only a few people have to be smart.
#173 - gisuar (01/30/2013) [-]

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

― Socrates

blabla quotes on the internet and stuff but this one is at least as legit as veni vidi vici
User avatar #138 - HURLEYSURFERDUDE (01/30/2013) [-]
It's called Darwinism. And yes, doctors these days have nerfed it. Along with overprotective parents. Back in the old times if a kid wanted to stick a fork into the electrical socket and died, of course it was sad, but they deserved what they got. Nowadays tis absurd to think that people die because of their own deeds.
User avatar #114 - bobodevetjedan (01/30/2013) [-]
This made me think of Idiocracy.
User avatar #232 - psychopilot (01/30/2013) [-]
That's not true. Look up the Flynn effect.
#246 to #232 - anon (01/30/2013) [-]
Oh god, I love throwing the Flynn effect into arguments to **** with adults.

By the by, it's actually assumed that we're not necessarily increasing in intelligence, it's just that we're more practiced at problem solving due to interactive puzzles and games.
User avatar #191 - hauptishere (01/30/2013) [-]
I don't think we're getting dumber, we're just able to see more of the dumb people due to media advances such as television and internet. Also, channels like MTV and E! have shows dedicated to idiocy.
User avatar #148 - sockprague ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
We don't get less intelligent every generation. Every generation the population as a whole is smarter. That's why the older you are when you take a IQ test the lower your score will be..
User avatar #160 to #148 - liquidz (01/30/2013) [-]
Or your brain rots... either or and or both
#168 to #148 - barehype (01/30/2013) [-]
I don't think IQ is even a reliable way of measuring intelligence, there are many different types of intelligence
User avatar #181 to #148 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
Well no.
Because IQ is based upon pattern recognition, argument skills and math.
The reason older people on average do worse with those is because when you get old, senility and other brain problems occur, hence why more old people have Alzheimer's, dementia, etc.

But you are correct the society as a whole is getting smarter, but that is because a small minority is pushing higher and higher, whereas most other are staying about the same.
Not to mention that it is easier to communicate now, with the internet, rather than by post 100 years ago, a courier 100 years before that, etc.
User avatar #183 to #181 - sockprague ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
The difference in IQ when you get older is slight. They use it on mentally retarded convicts so they can avoid getting the death penalty. 5 IQ points can save a life, albeit a retarded murderer.
User avatar #186 to #183 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
That is the point, your IQ stays the same as you get older.
And the average had and always will be 100-110.

So again, i emphasize, old people are not stupider, as pattern recognition, argument skills and math are universal.
User avatar #189 to #186 - sockprague ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
I never said the elderly's intelligence regresses, some studies show in some regards they get sharper.
User avatar #199 to #189 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
You said that " the older you are when you take a IQ test the lower your score"
But that is not true.
The IQ test does not change, it covers the same things, things that are not relative to new information, it is a test about the basic principles of knowledge, pattern recognition, argument skills and math.
The average young person will score the same as the average old person, between 100 and 110.
You said that older people score lower because the population learns new things, even though the test does not test on those things, as they are irrelevant.
User avatar #272 to #199 - sockprague ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
Yes it does... You are right people don't get stupider as they age. You are wrong in the belief that the IQ doesn't change. You are tested against everyone else. A 100 in 1970 is a 70 now. Do you understand?
User avatar #279 to #272 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
Show me the source.
The IQ test has tested the same things for years now, and uses the same grading system
It does not test how "smart" you are.
It tests
Pattern recognition
Argument skills
Math
Those things do not change, your score does not change, or else people who took the test back then and got average, would now be retarded.
But they aren't.
User avatar #283 to #279 - sockprague ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
Dude, how ******* thick are you. The average score changes. 100 IQ is always the average because every generation gets smarter, they adjust what counts as 100. If it NEVER changed a gas station attendant would be a MENSA member. Do you get it now? It really isn't a tough concept.
User avatar #289 to #283 - Crusader (01/31/2013) [-]
That's not true, you aren't seeing what I am saying.
If a 100 back in the 70's is a 70 now, then people who were fine then you be technically retarded now.
It doesn't work like that, someone who got a 100 back then would get a 100 now (or very close to it) because of the fact that what they test does not change.
We learn new facts, new trivia facts, things that are unrelated to what they test.
User avatar #292 to #289 - sockprague ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
Google the Flynn Effect... if you don't know how to google here You need to login to view this link

User avatar #295 to #292 - choclategum (03/06/2014) [-]
I love that link.
User avatar #296 to #295 - sockprague ONLINE (03/06/2014) [-]
Thanks...and that comment was a year ago.
#194 - thebritishguy (01/30/2013) [-]
it's not true though, I.Q has gone up loads since the 60's
User avatar #196 to #194 - HarvietheDinkle (01/30/2013) [-]
That's the result of education - another variable.
#197 to #194 - anon (01/30/2013) [-]
I.Q. isn't overall intelligence jackass, it's the ability to learn.
User avatar #204 to #194 - beerterror (01/30/2013) [-]
Do you see that? Well I don't. And IQ isn't an indication for wisdom and common sense.
User avatar #216 to #204 - theshadowed (01/30/2013) [-]
But it says in the post intelligence. Not wisdom
User avatar #219 to #216 - beerterror (01/30/2013) [-]
In my opinion intelligence without wisdom is worth **** , and it creates danger and moral black hole, to quote a certain band.
User avatar #211 to #204 - piobaireachd (01/30/2013) [-]
mass media has allowed us to see the stupidest people firsthand
plus people just seem dumber if they're in larger quantities. Their stupid traits stand out
User avatar #222 to #211 - beerterror (01/30/2013) [-]
Perhaps you're right. But the modern understanding of intelligence isn't helping anyway.
User avatar #210 to #204 - thebritishguy (01/30/2013) [-]
maybe our I.Q has gone up meaning we see no point in educating ourselves and some of us want to have an ignorant blissful lives were they don't get involved in conflict or deep thought, our intelligence and freedom has become our enemy
User avatar #214 to #210 - beerterror (01/30/2013) [-]
Ancient Greeks would laugh at such stupidity. If you say that ignorance is bliss, then you can call cattle in the field "happy". But yes, it's possible. Sinister, but possible.
User avatar #244 to #214 - thebritishguy (01/30/2013) [-]
I think in some cases my own knowledge has upset me like I know that when I buy something it could have been made by a poor child or even slave on terrible conditions. I would be happier if I didn't know that but I don't regret learning about it.
User avatar #72 - HailtotheKing (01/30/2013) [-]
See this is something I never understood, why do people choose to be unintelligent in this generation? This may not be a problem with you but with me I hear people talking about reading books and laughing about it or mocking people who can write well. It's like a really bad highschool movie come to life
#75 to #72 - neelix (01/30/2013) [-]
Although I agree with what you're trying to say, intelligence != knowledge and understanding.
User avatar #76 to #75 - HailtotheKing (01/30/2013) [-]
I've always lived under the idea that if you know more you are a better all around person. You can see things from differing view points, bring more to a conversation, even change someones mind on a topic. This new generation though sees it acceptable to learn the absolute minimum then never expend.
User avatar #2 - shitattack (01/29/2013) [-]
Having read some of those labels, I think it's a great thing that it's a special occurrence in the U. S. of fukken A.

In my country, those idiots don't get past early childhood. And this country is rich.
User avatar #4 to #2 - arziben (01/30/2013) [-]
*koff* rednecks *koff*
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