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#16 - nothereover (01/26/2013) [-]
That faggot 			****		 you drew representing Dwarf Fortress is not a proper function of Y.   
Your argument is invalid.
That faggot **** you drew representing Dwarf Fortress is not a proper function of Y.
Your argument is invalid.
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User avatar #91 to #16 - jdboi (01/26/2013) [-]
Line Test FTW
#134 - fauxshores ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
User avatar #146 to #134 - sonoobish (01/26/2013) [-]
i have one problem with this...
the line should be much more vertical, anyways thumb
#382 to #134 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
you seem to be misunderstanding the simplicity of starcraft. perhaps you should try to actually play dwarf fortress instead of fooling around in adventure mode.
User avatar #455 to #382 - fauxshores ONLINE (01/27/2013) [-]
If you think SC is a simple game you are so lost
User avatar #4 - shinigamigod (01/25/2013) [-]
Whoever put the starcraft line has clearly someone who has never gotten out of gold.
#216 to #4 - hypex (01/26/2013) [-]
i got this explained to me by a japanese dude i know who plays WAY too much starcraft

US gold = europe bronze
europe gold = asia bronze

(inb4 flamewar eu/us)
User avatar #5 to #4 - Riukanojutsu ONLINE (01/25/2013) [-]
ive gotten into diamond and i cant even 4 gate properly

hes right
User avatar #6 to #5 - shinigamigod (01/25/2013) [-]
Well 4 gate is basically dead now, no more ramp warp in, its basically a free win if you play against a 4 gate, only way to lose it is if you play greedy and don't get sentries out in time to FF
User avatar #8 to #6 - Riukanojutsu ONLINE (01/25/2013) [-]
i dont play anymore, when i ws playing 4 gates were efficient
User avatar #18 to #8 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
Back when 4 gate was still viable it would get crushed by Terran air. Heart of the Swarm Protoss got some nice air unit additions, however, making air Terran harder, but still probably the best option.
User avatar #20 to #18 - Riukanojutsu ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
missingthepoint.jpg
#132 - allamericandude ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Clearly you've never played DCS: A-10C. It is literally the most realistic ******* game I've ever seen.

Like, when you start a mission, they put you on the ramp in a stone dead aircraft, and you have to start it up--the engines, the electronics, weapons systems, navigation, etc.

A ******* start-up sequence. In a game, man. I had to take ******* notes.

And that's just to get it off the ground.
User avatar #199 to #132 - saddestofbreads (01/26/2013) [-]
You've never played DCS: Black Shark I take it. It's like A-10C, but with a helicopter.
User avatar #226 to #199 - tkfourtwoone (01/26/2013) [-]
I was just about to say that. Also, in IL-2 Sturmovik, getting a bomber off the ground was a pain in the ass, if I remember correctly
User avatar #143 to #132 - justadude (01/26/2013) [-]
I love the sounds of APU startups in jets.
User avatar #161 to #132 - Dairycow (01/26/2013) [-]
^This guy know's what hes talking about, ******* most complex game I've ever seen in my years of existence.

i literally had to write down the start up sequence from button to button so i would know how to just start the goddamn plane, i think it was like 50 steps. and that's just getting the goddamn thing off the ground. i'm still trying to figure out how to use all the weapons system's.
#73 - rudianos (01/26/2013) [-]
Eve online actually.
#176 to #73 - noobiereaper (01/26/2013) [-]
And let us not forget Dark Souls xD
User avatar #186 to #73 - burnoutlegend (01/26/2013) [-]
Do you play EVE?
#432 to #186 - rudianos (01/26/2013) [-]
stopped a while ago, gallente pilot pvp, cant remember sp maybe 40million. fuilly trained up to a kronos. wbu?
User avatar #440 to #432 - burnoutlegend (01/26/2013) [-]
Just got in a tengu, 6.5million sp going to be training for a capital ship next after i get some money from ratting and i decide which one i actually want to have, im thinking chimera but im not too sure, though, the moros is tempting :) but many of my corp mates dont really have a large plethora of info on dreadnoughts, most are jf and carrier pilots...
#444 to #440 - rudianos (01/26/2013) [-]
got to have a good corp to support such an asset. dont want them getting it killed ye know. you in 0.0 yet?
User avatar #447 to #444 - burnoutlegend (01/26/2013) [-]
Yeah im getting carrier jumped down to my null system this in the next week, and my alliance is full of people i have been playing with for a good 6 months, and we are friends with a few big alliances because of our BPO's for stations and well, since goons ruined a bunch of systems we're getting paid a few billion for stations, still working on the first one though, jeez do they need a lot of materials...
#448 to #447 - rudianos (01/27/2013) [-]
yeah but we leave that to the miners, the only involvement i ever had with industrials was from being in their escorts or mining protection. enjoy. Damm you make me miss the game now :(
User avatar #456 to #448 - burnoutlegend (01/27/2013) [-]
The only involvement i have with anything industrial is my noctis so i can salvage sites when i clear them :) and well the 15 or so miners in my alliance that swarm bs rats with like 30 drones and the bs is just taking the drones so they call me in and there is just a big cluster **** of ships all bumping about in complete chaos because a single rat turned up at the belt...
#75 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Hah that steep one is Eve Online and you know it.


And Im pissed cause I just lost 100M in implants..Again. Back to Hek!
#76 to #75 - lordcaboose (01/26/2013) [-]
I used to play EVE and I feel your pain.
#77 to #76 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Well,I got popped in WH space in my Procurer(best barge for the buck). Stupid me didnt make it unprobable. I should have done the ECCM/Warp Core Stab build I have. But I did kick the **** out of a hound before I blew up.

But I just cant believe it took a Hound,Rook,Proteus,Sabre and a Cynable to kill me. Go awesome resits! Bastards didnt even give me back my clone...
User avatar #107 to #77 - Rockaman (01/26/2013) [-]
If you want crazy resists + tank, just look to the Navy Scorpion! 8 mids and a 5% per lvl to resists in Caldari BS
#112 to #107 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Trust in the rust baby. Im minmatar right now. I cant fly Caldari BS's yet. Im working to a Kitsune eventually.

Dat pricetag on the Navy Scorp..shes a sexy ship,but a very ugly price tag on her.
#117 to #112 - unrealsin (01/26/2013) [-]
MFW I was reading this whole convo....
#119 to #117 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
You are more than welcome to join us.

We can make you..immortal. As long as you are willing to pay the price.
User avatar #120 to #119 - unrealsin (01/26/2013) [-]
Wut price?
#127 to #120 - Rockaman (01/26/2013) [-]
Your Soul!
#453 to #120 - thamuz ONLINE (01/27/2013) [-]
Your morals,and the will to do whatever it takes to win. It is all we ask. Oh,and of course a strict dose of common sense.
Your morals,and the will to do whatever it takes to win. It is all we ask. Oh,and of course a strict dose of common sense.
User avatar #166 to #112 - moc (01/26/2013) [-]
for the price of a navy scorp, its better get a rattlesnake if you want tank, they are holding steady at around 500mill +- and better still is you can easilly get a passive shield tank of over 2.5 K dps while putting out over 1K dps. only thing is that its a real skill intensive ship, your going to need maxed out or damn near maxed out drone skills to fly properly. another thing is if you need isk, incursions! HQ sites pay 31.5 mill a site and 7K LP average site in a good fleet is about 15 mins or so
#452 to #166 - thamuz ONLINE (01/27/2013) [-]
The Typhoon is without a doubt,the *most* skill point intensive ship in the game(at least for its tier) You literally need almost all your skills at 5 just to fit it decently,and even more so to tank it well.

I <3 my Phoon,but shes a hanger bitch. The Tempest gets the workout.
User avatar #460 to #452 - moc (01/27/2013) [-]
only till the proposed changes they have in store for it, the phoon is going to be changed from a neut/torp/AC boat to have only one form of DPS
#470 to #460 - thamuz ONLINE (01/27/2013) [-]
Just what we need. Another cruise missile hurling boat. People kept QQing that the Phoon is too hard to fly and now we get another Raven.   
   
I dont think we need anymore Ravens.
Just what we need. Another cruise missile hurling boat. People kept QQing that the Phoon is too hard to fly and now we get another Raven.

I dont think we need anymore Ravens.
User avatar #126 to #112 - Rockaman (01/26/2013) [-]
Mostly fly Winmatar ships myself - they're so rewarding and there's no easy-mode button like Caldari have
User avatar #451 to #126 - thamuz ONLINE (01/27/2013) [-]
The Caldari are just jealous because they dont know how guns work,so they just throw missiles at your face.

The Gallente..well,I dont really know what to think of their phallus shaped ships.

The Ammarians have a real thing for birds. Is it always thanksgiving over there?

We Winmatar took all their garbage,and a soldering iron and managed to patch enough of a flying scrapheap to get it to space. And kick ass with it.
User avatar #80 to #75 - moc (01/26/2013) [-]
Hek, well theres your problem!
#81 to #80 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
I would rather go to Hek. I hate Jita..and Rens..and Amarr...I do like Tash Murkon..Nice and usually quiet there..
User avatar #82 to #81 - moc (01/26/2013) [-]
amarr's rather quiet, i use it as my home station
#83 to #82 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Am I thinking of the right Amarr? I know Im thinkin of the one major tradehub(bigger than Tash but not as big as Hek or Jita)
User avatar #165 to #83 - moc (01/26/2013) [-]
yeah, amarr the system (amarrian's homesystem) its the 2nd largest trade hub (because of how close it ts to jita)
User avatar #90 to #75 - angeredsasuke (01/26/2013) [-]
Lol wait until you loses a 26B capital ship in dead space.
#98 to #90 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Well,I have about 1.6B in ships..Not one ship..I cant afford a Carrier yet.. My next project is an arty shield Loki.
#100 to #98 - angeredsasuke (01/26/2013) [-]
You a PvPer?
#101 to #100 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
On occasion. Right now Im building my core skills(and my industrial backing) so I can afford to pvp more. It took 5-6 ships to blow up my barge this morning. And that was just a Procurer.

I am a bomber jockey,I just havent had the money to afford a new bomber since I lost my old one to a sleeper scram
#125 to #90 - chimeechang (01/26/2013) [-]
i found the person that has never lost a capital ship, doesn't know what DeadSpace is in eve(And if you lose a capital ship here, you should just kill yourself) ntry tho
User avatar #187 to #75 - burnoutlegend (01/26/2013) [-]
I just got in a tengu :3
#323 to #187 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
I hate the Drake,so Ill probably hate the the Tengu.

Im working to a Loki.
User avatar #425 to #323 - burnoutlegend (01/26/2013) [-]
The tengu is a hell of a lot different to the tengu, the tengu is just a machine when it comes to ratting, which is my favorite pass time on eve, especially when i'm in null, mining's all well and good to make a ton of money but in the end you still need to get up to a trade hub to make a lot of iskies. but hey, if you are a minmatar pilot then go ahead :)
#454 to #425 - thamuz ONLINE (01/27/2013) [-]
I hear lots of love for the Tengu,and I have seen what they are capable of. But I just don't like missiles that much.   
   
And the proteus looks like a space penis. Like 95% of Gallente ships
I hear lots of love for the Tengu,and I have seen what they are capable of. But I just don't like missiles that much.

And the proteus looks like a space penis. Like 95% of Gallente ships
User avatar #457 to #454 - burnoutlegend (01/27/2013) [-]
Yeah the proteus can tank really well, its just missiles are basically easy mode on eve ^^
User avatar #296 to #75 - zoidz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
I was wanting to play EVE Online but then I heard that it was a monthly sub (not able to do so) and that you have to slave yourself to get into things, but after you get into a big...Alliance? The game basically becomes free. Could someone explain that to me? (Do they sell the in-game money and give you some or...?
#321 to #296 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]


1)yes and no. Theres ways you cna make it free for you(get good skills,and make lots of money,and you can buy your game time in game,right now,in my region,1 PLEX[timecard about 14.99 in USD] runs about 550M-660 million. While,it is a lot of money,you can easily make that in a few weeks with decent skills while mining or doing other things.

In eve,you are a Demigod. Immortal to most people. When you die,you are given a new life in a new body. You lose whatever you had on you,so cargo,ship,ammo,items to fit the ship with,are lost,unless you can claim them before the guy who killed you takes them.

Your skills CAN take a hit but thats if you are a tardmonkey who doesnt update his clone. I have about 5 million skill points and my clone can hold 6.1 million skill points. As long as your current clone doesnt exceed your replacement clone,you wont lose skill points when you die.

And no Im not in a very large corp or a very large alliance.
User avatar #427 to #321 - zoidz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Ohhh I see...wow thats nice being able to buy game time using in-game currency. Will see if one day I can try it out...
#356 to #75 - savannahijack (01/26/2013) [-]
Here's a question. Has Funnyjunk ever had a large scale purpose Alliance for members?

I know Something awful has Goonswarm and Reddit I think has TEST.
I've been on eve for about a month or so and haven't found a solid corp with a large alliance that I want to join.
User avatar #360 to #356 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
I tend to avoid large alliances for the fact I dont realy need to deal with the political drama.

Im in a fairly small alliance 14 corps make up ours.
User avatar #458 to #360 - burnoutlegend (01/27/2013) [-]
Im currently in a new alliance and we are in nulli's space and have taken 2 systems already, to bad the rent is going to be a bitch to get every month, its something like 5-6 billion isk :(
User avatar #471 to #458 - thamuz ONLINE (01/27/2013) [-]
Hoope you guys can come up with that kind of cash,else it would be very sticky
User avatar #472 to #471 - burnoutlegend (01/27/2013) [-]
Yeah, the ratting is good and our miners well...mine, so we just keep in the grove of things we can have the isk within a couple days, then its all ours for the taking.
User avatar #473 to #472 - thamuz ONLINE (01/27/2013) [-]
Yeah we lost our hole,tower,everything last night apparently. Oh well. **** happens.
User avatar #474 to #473 - burnoutlegend (01/27/2013) [-]
Sheit man, what was the loss?
User avatar #477 to #474 - thamuz ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
So far as far as I know,one Orca,One pod,and one ship hangar.
User avatar #362 to #360 - savannahijack (01/26/2013) [-]
So FJ has never organized its own corps and alliances?
#366 to #362 - thamuz ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
as far as I know theres only a few of us who play eve online.
User avatar #368 to #366 - savannahijack (01/26/2013) [-]
pity...
User avatar #461 to #368 - moc (01/27/2013) [-]
too many people here think its too hard. (low IQ i guess)
User avatar #462 to #461 - savannahijack (01/27/2013) [-]
If you don't find a good group of people to play with, the game will get extremely tiresome. I haven't managed to find a lively enough crowd to play with, so I am thinking of leaving the game, That or selling my soul to Goonswarm or getting back into Flying Dangerous again, they all seem to be bastards.
User avatar #463 to #462 - moc (01/27/2013) [-]
well i fly with TVP, just a bunch of carebears getting isk
User avatar #464 to #463 - savannahijack (01/27/2013) [-]
What are they miners?
User avatar #465 to #464 - moc (01/27/2013) [-]
nah incursion runners (90% are alts though)
User avatar #466 to #465 - savannahijack (01/27/2013) [-]
meh, I don't have a big enough ship yet for that.
User avatar #467 to #466 - moc (01/27/2013) [-]
Battleship, T2 tank, and meta 4 guns is minmal
User avatar #468 to #467 - savannahijack (01/27/2013) [-]
well I guess I could afford it, Just dont have the skills yet
User avatar #469 to #468 - moc (01/27/2013) [-]
ahh
#1 - orendil (01/25/2013) [-]
WoW Now a days is more like a straight line on the bottom.
User avatar #9 to #1 - eopfroggr (01/25/2013) [-]
Every since that dungeon queue **** . All it is is dungeon grind till endgame and that takes less than a month if you're good.

Me and all my friends played in BC and over the summer we all hopped on, me and another friend went on vacation for 6 days came back friends went from 40-70s including college classes and work.
#148 to #9 - orendil (01/26/2013) [-]
You can get to 90 in about a week by following the right quests +The recruit a friend crap REALLY speeds it up. And it's not only the leveling. The raids now are easier than punching helpless blind puppies who have no feet. It's so easy and messed up you feel more bad than good. (Not even a hint of enjoyment...) And note. Someone must have been butt hurt and thumbed you down a few times, sorry mate.
User avatar #163 to #148 - eopfroggr (01/26/2013) [-]
I can't say I care much about thumbs. It's all good
#23 to #1 - warrollan (01/26/2013) [-]
PvP noobs. PvE has, and always will be easy. Faggots.
User avatar #2 to #1 - lothet (01/25/2013) [-]
which is going downwards....
#389 to #338 - riddlerboy (01/26/2013) [-]
Higher resolution for anyone that wants it as a background
#203 - usarrr (01/26/2013) [-]
more like that

*enlarge
User avatar #218 to #203 - ROFL (01/26/2013) [-]
love it
#164 - draqoeus (01/26/2013) [-]
Hah
User avatar #188 to #164 - xgeneration ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
dota's not that hard to learn.
took me 1 day.
#372 to #188 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
You dont learn dota type games in one day. ******* liar, go kill yourself.
User avatar #439 to #372 - xgeneration ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
But I played Dota since it was in the Warcraft 3 era, I just stopped for awhile.
User avatar #189 to #188 - draqoeus (01/26/2013) [-]
I'm not saying it's hard, y'know
#185 to #164 - mynsfwaccounth (01/26/2013) [-]
The Dota learning curve just ovrpowers all of these lol.
#171 to #167 - kraetyz (01/26/2013) [-]
Link to original video? I can't remember what it's called.
#173 to #172 - kraetyz (01/26/2013) [-]
tyty
#374 - AngryPlatypus (01/26/2013) [-]
No Dark Souls?
User avatar #478 to #374 - trostell (01/29/2013) [-]
Except Dark Souls is only "hard" in the sense that it limits the player, instead of actually being difficult for the average player like, say, ArmA 2 multiplayer.
User avatar #375 to #374 - Vpirate ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Dark Souls just goes straight up.
#378 to #375 - AngryPlatypus (01/26/2013) [-]
And then you hit Ornstein & Smough, and it does a backflip and a loop-the-loop before going off the charts.
#479 to #378 - anon (01/29/2013) [-]
Seriously? One of the easiest fights.
#376 to #375 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
then evens out at about half of DF
User avatar #379 to #374 - lostluke (01/26/2013) [-]
I'd say it's more knowledge than skill based though, I mean you need skill to play it but when you know what the ***** going on it gets much easier!
User avatar #384 to #379 - AngryPlatypus (01/26/2013) [-]
And that is why the learning curve is so great. You actually have to see an enemy, pay attention to everything it could possibly throw at you, and plan ahead. You can't just breeze through the game just because you have "skill." You have to play it carefully and pay attention, and many people don't like it because of that.
User avatar #388 to #384 - lostluke (01/26/2013) [-]
But it was a curve for skill and not knowledge? I think the skill level goes down as you learn more (Not saying it's easy in any way) I personally love the fact it does this and that's why it's one of the best games ever
User avatar #391 to #388 - AngryPlatypus (01/26/2013) [-]
I suppose so, you win.
User avatar #393 to #391 - lostluke (01/26/2013) [-]
Not to say knowledge isn't a kind of skill you acquire from using other skills in the game, so you could also look at needing multiple lines!
User avatar #397 to #393 - AngryPlatypus (01/26/2013) [-]
I think you may actually be on to something here.
#169 - zakaizer (01/26/2013) [-]
My dad tried dwarf fortress, and he got the hang of it in about an hour, and I was just sat there constantly with my brain melting on the floor... How the **** do you understand any of it?
#193 to #169 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
If you have played one sandbox game like DF, it doesn't take long to understand the others.
User avatar #415 to #169 - iaminfactawizard (01/26/2013) [-]
How to Play Dwarf Fortress:

1. Generate World.
2. Quick Start.
3. Fail, die.
4. Generate World.
5. Prepare carefully for the journey.
6. Fail, die.
7. Generate World
8. Skim guide while world loads.
9. Prepare carefully for the journey.
10. Forget something, alt-tab.
11. Too late, fail, die.
12. Generate World
13. Pore over guide for an hour.
14. Prepare carefully for the journey, really ******* carefully.
15. Spend ~30 minutes picking a site.
16. Pause on embark, recon.
17. Dig base.
18. Fail, die.

Keep in mind that this is "fun".
#170 to #169 - kraetyz (01/26/2013) [-]
Read a guide. It helps.
User avatar #192 to #169 - Lainge (01/26/2013) [-]
your dad is a ******* wizard that's all
#122 - bigmanblue (01/26/2013) [-]
starcraft is a hell of a lot steeper then that
and as for halo
it should have a peak right at the end where you get the sad ass bxr and double tap users
User avatar #92 to #35 - IceViper (01/26/2013) [-]
finally someone realizes my pain
#79 - ninjabadger (01/26/2013) [-]
Dark Souls?
Dark Souls?
User avatar #93 to #79 - rbrim (01/26/2013) [-]
Dark Souls isn't that hard once you know what you're doing.
User avatar #140 to #93 - icedcarbon ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
I've been asking this question... but with no answer... which was is harder, Demon Souls or Dark Souls?
User avatar #103 to #93 - RosarioVampire (01/26/2013) [-]
and then died a few times.... few being many.
User avatar #105 to #103 - rbrim (01/26/2013) [-]
I'm not saying that the game is a cakewalk or anything. But it's pretty easy when you figure out the patterns and learn where most of the enemies are. Kalameet in the Artorias of the Abyss DLC kicked my ass until I figured out his patterns, then I beat him without taking any damage.
User avatar #108 to #105 - RosarioVampire (01/26/2013) [-]
and to learn all of that you need to die. Mimic op first time playing.
User avatar #136 to #108 - diabolicgnome (01/26/2013) [-]
iv beat the game twice
never used ironflesh
#211 to #136 - jinkazama (01/26/2013) [-]
Ironflesh got nerfed to death in a patch. It sucks mostly now. Though it can be helpful on 4 kings.
User avatar #223 to #211 - diabolicgnome (01/26/2013) [-]
Me and a bro just 2 man every boss so its bin a chill game super fun though
#347 - herminator (01/26/2013) [-]
Don't forget the arguably hardest game ever conceived by man kind.
#364 to #347 - gochuman (01/26/2013) [-]
Thats why league is the number one E-sport BY MILES right now right? ROFL
#401 to #364 - nunuman (01/26/2013) [-]
Ever made the assumption that casual game = wide target area?
#349 to #347 - AcornShouter (01/26/2013) [-]
**AcornShouter rolled a random image posted in comment #453693 at Anime & Manga ** ur gonna get downvoted to hell. get ready for the mass replies of NUH UH LEAGUE IS SKEEELLL, or STFU LEEG IS HARD MAN I CANT RIGHT CLICK HARD ENOUGH
#351 to #349 - herminator (01/26/2013) [-]
Do you hear that Mr. Acornshouter?

That is the sound of inevitability... It is the sound of red.. Goodbye, Mr. AcornShouter...


#359 to #351 - AcornShouter (01/26/2013) [-]
**AcornShouter rolled a random image posted in comment #3 at Suspicious Customers ** we're all going to be downvoted. Good bye.
User avatar #383 to #347 - fjsknight (01/26/2013) [-]
I enjoy league but I'm gonna upvote cause its true.
User avatar #358 to #347 - patrickmiller (01/26/2013) [-]
Props for no anon. Kids got balls. But seriously your a dead man walking.
#387 to #358 - herminator (01/26/2013) [-]
No matter.

I found myself witty and clever, and I will sit through the red rain laughing at my own creation, which will give me much more pleasure than red thumbs will give me displeasure.
#363 to #347 - unworldlypath (01/26/2013) [-]
DOTA 2 is infinitely more unforgiving than league
User avatar #400 to #363 - askafj (01/26/2013) [-]
It is a ****** attempt from blizzard to revive something epic.
+1
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User avatar #430 to #429 - askafj (01/26/2013) [-]
10/10
#423 to #400 - jiltist (01/26/2013) [-]
Blizzard? Revive?
User avatar #403 to #400 - unworldlypath (01/26/2013) [-]
its still a nice game
User avatar #406 to #403 - askafj (01/26/2013) [-]
No
User avatar #407 to #406 - unworldlypath (01/26/2013) [-]
have you played it?
User avatar #409 to #407 - askafj (01/26/2013) [-]
Have YOU played it?
#410 to #409 - unworldlypath (01/26/2013) [-]
yes, my hero is rubick
#424 to #410 - jiltist (01/26/2013) [-]
Rubick is good, but he requires a lot of farm.

Too much farm, IMO.
User avatar #428 to #424 - unworldlypath (01/26/2013) [-]
yeah, but his ult makes it all worth it
User avatar #13 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
Starcraft should be way harder. It is, without a doubt, the most difficult game I play and i play a ******** of games.
#14 to #13 - funnynsfw (01/26/2013) [-]
Here's a tip, play harder games.
#15 to #14 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
There aren't many that actually offer a challenge like, that unless you are referring to the single player campaign.  Demon's souls comes to mind, Super Marion Bros. (without warping),  some of the Mega Man titles(1,3,9 for example.)  Ninety percent of the games I play I start on the hardest difficulty available and am still able to crush them.  When it comes to multi-player games, none are as competitive and difficult as Starcraft.  What would you suggest as a more difficult game?
There aren't many that actually offer a challenge like, that unless you are referring to the single player campaign. Demon's souls comes to mind, Super Marion Bros. (without warping), some of the Mega Man titles(1,3,9 for example.) Ninety percent of the games I play I start on the hardest difficulty available and am still able to crush them. When it comes to multi-player games, none are as competitive and difficult as Starcraft. What would you suggest as a more difficult game?
User avatar #19 to #15 - runtz (01/26/2013) [-]
League of Legends ranked Brazillian servers. Good luck.
User avatar #21 to #19 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
LoL harder than SC2...
Ha...HAhahaah, omg thats brilliant....
User avatar #24 to #21 - runtz (01/26/2013) [-]
It was a joke.
#29 to #21 - asderition (01/26/2013) [-]
It's a different type of game =P no need to be rude.
User avatar #31 to #29 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
As an SC2 player whenever I hear someone say LoL takes an equal amount or more skill than SC2 I can't help but laugh at the idiocy.
User avatar #36 to #31 - giguelingueling (01/26/2013) [-]
ffs, an online game where you or your opponent is going to win. Therefore no matter how simple the rule of a game is (like a pong for example), it will become increasingly complex depending on the level of competitiveness of the game. Lol have tournament for 1 000 000$ The competition is ******* huge, the tactics are becoming extremely complex, independently of the simpleness of the mechanics.
User avatar #39 to #36 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
Which is all still dwarfed by the amount of strategies and map variants that can come out of SC2 at even just a semi professional level.
#208 to #39 - jinkazama (01/26/2013) [-]
LoL has like 90(?) champions to go against. SC has 3 races. Everything can seem better if you compare what one game is clearly better in. One map in lol means that there are tons of strategies for that one map. You need to know the map. You need to know where you and your 4 teammates are at all times. you need to know where the opponent is. you need to know when to fight and when to fall back. you need to make better builds than the opposition.

You clearly know nothing of high level LoL play.
User avatar #227 to #208 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
And you clearly know nothing of SC2 play.
#229 to #227 - jinkazama (01/26/2013) [-]
I don't claim to know much about it. But i do know that LoL is just as deep as SC. SC may be more complex but complexity =/= depth.
User avatar #235 to #229 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
Okay then.
Lets take the list of things you said about LoL and transfer them to what you would do in SC2, because they are the same.
Firstly, no one plays all of the champions, you'll likely know only a handful or just one type, so lets lower that number.
Secondly take away the 4 team mates.
Everything else is the same in SC2, however our maps are bigger so increase the amount of strategies required in each individual map to make up for the sheer amount of attack routes and expansion locations.
Now on top of all that a player of one race must know;
Timings up to at least 20 minutes into the game, your own and theirs (across all 3 races this is about 10-20 different timings per race in each match up).
Economy management, you must know exactly how much production you can support at anything given time, how many workers to build and how many much be at each base and even if it is safe to put money into them at the current threat level of the opponent.
You must not know only where they are on the map but everything in their base so you know exactly what units are being produced and the level of their upgrades so that you may then adjust yours so that you don't just get rolled by an army that is just a flat counter to yours.
During a fight you're not just watching you and your allies you're watching an army of about 5-100 units which needs to be controlled either with individual micro on each unit in small battles or selecting the right amount to move as a small group within that battle. You must also still be producing units during this time.

Likely I've missed a lot out but there is a lot you must do in SC2, and all this has to be done pretty much overlapping at most times.
#434 to #235 - jinkazama (01/26/2013) [-]
All i'm getting from that is "You need to click on more things in starcraft so it's more complex". LoL is about making decisions. Every little thing counts. And you can't measure depth in a game. You however, are clearly completely biased and ignoring all of the pros of LoL. You are an elitist. There is no point in arguing with you.
User avatar #442 to #434 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
There is no decision making?
Every tiny decision you make in SC2 counts, from the positioning of your units, which ones you make, which bases you take, which fights you take, constant decisions that an incorrect one can mean the difference between winning and losing.
User avatar #459 to #442 - killinkyle (01/27/2013) [-]
I dont thinking losing a single marine to a zergling is going to lose you a game

but if you want to be super srs about it, every auto attack, every movement of the champion, every character, every teamfight, every item bought, every keybind, every mouse click, every blink of the eye.
User avatar #243 to #235 - killinkyle (01/26/2013) [-]
All you do in starcraft 2 multiplayer is figure out a basic build, figure out counters, then micro a bunch of units.

Its literally ******* retarded.

Not to mention Dota 2 is at least twice as complex, if not more so, then starcraft will ever be...
User avatar #245 to #243 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
Either you're stupid or retarded.
That or you're trying to troll which then makes you both of the above.
#32 to #31 - asderition (01/26/2013) [-]
Takes more skill to not rage at people. Again, different type of game, different type of skill. Laugh all you want, you just look rather foolish for it, mate.
User avatar #33 to #32 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
The only foolish thing is to actually think that LoL could possibly be a match for SC2 in terms of skill.
A person who is average all round at all types of games would get much further in LoL than they would in SC2
#34 to #33 - asderition (01/26/2013) [-]
Well now that's debatable. Neither are very difficult games, if you have a good computer and good internet and the right mindset for the game. But hey, you are mad, obviously biased and probably should stop talking. Less you tarnish the amount of respect you still deserve.
User avatar #48 to #34 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
I disagree, let me start by saying I play both League of Legends and Starcraft 2. I could go into great detail about how much more difficult Sc2 is to play than LoL but I'll keep it short and just say this: In both games you are facing many units with many different abilities and strategies for each and a need for knowledge of many possibilities. Both require a map awareness and an ability to adapt to different scenarios. However, in League of Legends you are only required to control one character, occasionally two if you have pets. In Starcraf 2 you are essentially a one man army, the sheer effort required just to manage your economy while micro managing your forces is enough to make it a far more complex and difficult game than League of Legends.
#209 to #48 - jinkazama (01/26/2013) [-]
Complexity =/= depth. I.e. Street fighter is pretty simple. But it would take years of constant practice to get to a competitive level.
#87 to #48 - asderition (01/26/2013) [-]
It is a different way of playing, I don't think micro makes a game more difficult, it only makes it different.
User avatar #139 to #87 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
I made more points than just micro, and it's not that there is micro management, it's the amount that needs to be done, how difficult it is, and the fact that you have to macro at the same time.
#142 to #139 - asderition (01/26/2013) [-]
So, team communication and team work aren't valid topics? What about map objectives and securing things in a strategic fashion? Or worrying about cs, ward coverage, map and champion awareness, pinging and mias, buff control, jungle timers, tower health. These are all things that have to be thought about, even in a simple normal blind pick match. Even more in a ranked match.
User avatar #144 to #142 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
I also said that I could've gone into greater detail. Did you even read my comment?
User avatar #55 to #48 - giguelingueling (01/26/2013) [-]
Yet, your opponent is in the exact same situation, so don't you think that in the end it even out ? (if we're talking about competitive play)
User avatar #60 to #55 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
Doesn't make the game any easier when you're dealing with people who have over 200 apm (actions per minute). Incidentally, apm is a good indicator of the difficulty of the game as well.
User avatar #42 to #34 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
First of all, learn what mad actually means before using it, for I have not shown the slightest shred of it.
Secondly, they are both difficult games when played at a high end level. Only a low level player who has a deluded sense of their ability would claim them to be 'easy'.
Bias is irrelevant and if I wanted the respect off of people off of this site, I would of sunk to a very low place indeed.
#46 to #42 - asderition (01/26/2013) [-]
Lol, I don't know what the term "mad" means? I am not a child, I know what the word means. You may not be angry, but you are frustrated that I don't have the same opinion about the difficulty of the game, or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
And you misinterpret my meaning of difficult. Obviously I am not a platinum player, but that doesn't mean I am not good. You said it yourself, they are difficult at high level play. But I don't play on a professional level, thus I find no difficulty in the game. Sometimes I play well, sometimes I don't, but it is no measure of difficulty.
If you play professionally then kudos to you. That would be considered tough. But like I stated. League, nor SC were difficult to pick up. Nor were they hard to get good at. And yes your bias makes you considerably in favor of SC, while I play and enjoy both games, I see arguments for both. You, evidently, do not see both arguments.
User avatar #57 to #46 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
You don't have to be frustrated by something to have a discussion of two opposing opinions. It is very possible to have such discussion without a single emotive response what so ever.

What you can do regardless of what level you play at, regardless of which ones of them you play, be it one or the other or both. Is you can break them down into the actions the player must take and that of which the player must know about the game and then compare the level in which these would strain the players memory, physical ability and cognitive processing to get an accurate level of the amount skill the game would require.
User avatar #49 to #21 - kingbulbasaur (01/26/2013) [-]
Korean RTS Gamer master race here.
Shut the **** up.
User avatar #58 to #49 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
I know plenty of bad Korean RTS players.
User avatar #67 to #58 - kingbulbasaur (01/26/2013) [-]
Go play SC Korean servers, noob. Have a taste of reality.
Also, you can't properly gauge whether one game is more difficult than the other because they're so very different.
Just 'cause you play SC doesn't mean you get to judge League players. And until you're Diamond League+, you can't act like you're good. Which is funny 'cause even if you ever did reach that point, you wouldn't be able to keep it long enough to brag about it -- to stay Diamond League and above takes dedication, dedication that leaves no room for scoffing at League players on FJ.
Additionally, it isn't just rumor or stereotyping that Koreans are better RTS gamers -- it's fact.
User avatar #222 to #67 - shinigamigod (01/26/2013) [-]
Perhaps this is a good time to mention that I am in GM
User avatar #69 to #19 - kingbulbasaur (01/26/2013) [-]
>Brazillian ranked servers
>Difficult
Don't make me laugh, there isn't even enough people who own computers to make up a competitive ranked server.
User avatar #51 to #19 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
Doesn't stand up to Starcraft 2 Korean servers.
User avatar #89 to #15 - hydraetis ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
You want a challenge?

Play Final Fantasy 8.

WITHOUT junctioning Guardian Forces.
User avatar #138 to #89 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
Play the worst Final Fantasy? No thanks, I'll pass.
User avatar #426 to #138 - hydraetis ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
**** you I love that game :(
User avatar #47 to #15 - smokedmeatlog (01/26/2013) [-]
Nethack
User avatar #52 to #47 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
I actually have looked at that before. It looks difficult, but I'm now willing to put in the time it would take just to learn how to play it.
User avatar #53 to #52 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
not* willing
User avatar #59 to #53 - smokedmeatlog (01/26/2013) [-]
It actually is the toughest game to get used to.
User avatar #62 to #59 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
It seems that way. Once you learn it though I'd imagine that it isn't all that difficult. Single player games tend to have an element of predictability that makes them easier than multi-player games as a whole.
User avatar #63 to #62 - smokedmeatlog (01/26/2013) [-]
But the levels are randomly generated, so it would take years to figure it out.
User avatar #66 to #63 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
I did't mean memorizing it really, just knowing how to play.
User avatar #70 to #66 - smokedmeatlog (01/26/2013) [-]
Well knowing how to play and actually playing it are 2 different things. Its just weird thats all.
#25 to #13 - hangingtree (01/26/2013) [-]
Play Dark souls.
Play Dark souls.
#84 to #25 - chazzxz (01/26/2013) [-]
as far as actual difficulty I gotta go with Starcraft. Every move you make affects whether you win or lose. And in dark souls if you die you just try again until you finally get it.
#371 to #25 - akkere ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Dark Souls' difficulty is overrated.

And it's easier than it's predecessor, Demon Souls.
User avatar #50 to #25 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
Read my next comment. I referred to Demon's Souls as a challenging game.
User avatar #54 to #50 - hangingtree (01/26/2013) [-]
Which one is harder? Demon souls or Dark souls? I've only ever played Dark.
#207 to #54 - jinkazama (01/26/2013) [-]
Demons souls. It's far more unforgiving is all. If you die in human form you lose half of your health bar until you beat a boss. There are no checkpoints and shortcuts are well hidden most of the time. And if you die in human form you shift the world towards black tendancy, making the enemies stronger.
User avatar #61 to #54 - scooba (01/26/2013) [-]
Don't know, I have only played Demon's Souls, but I've read that they are on similar levels.
#124 to #25 - bigmanblue (01/26/2013) [-]
dark souls isn't difficult
its cheep
it kills you for no reason just cos it wants to
once you know the pattern of everything its quite simple
#204 to #124 - jinkazama (01/26/2013) [-]
First mimic you encounter.
First time you fight Bed of chaos
First time you encounter the hellkite drake and it comes from behind you.


Literally the only cheap deaths i know of in a HUGE game. If you're dying a lot then you just suck. Heck, even the cheap deaths i mentioned will only get you once each.
#251 to #204 - bigmanblue (01/26/2013) [-]
exactly
nothing will get you more then once
as soon as you know what happens all you have to do is follow a pattern
nothing is difficult
for somthing to be difficult is has to be hard on more then the 1st time
as for only the 3 cheep moments
there are a number but i cant remember them of the top of my head
User avatar #184 to #25 - jackisawsm (01/26/2013) [-]
The line for Dark Souls is on there, It's called the X-axis.
User avatar #131 - waffies (01/26/2013) [-]
someone recommend Dwarf Fortress to some extent please? Explain it or such?
User avatar #137 to #131 - burningwombat (01/26/2013) [-]
Imagine you have complete, insane, godly control over every aspect of a group of dwarves. To the extent where you can preserve a blood line through generations. Throw that into a world that literally generates its own historical background, complete with empires that play along with you, free roaming animals that can kill you, cave ins, and every ******* type of ore you can think of. Now put all this in the ********* graphics possible, with an interface more complicated than a PMSing women, which will **** you with a rusted fork if you make one wrong move.

But remember losing is fun!
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