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User avatar #118 - revolvo (01/26/2013) [-]
Seriously, me reading all these posts about religion, I'm a Christian, but seeing all this buthurt and ******* arguing is making me want to just give up, seriousness.

p.s. - **** All Of You.
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#97 - ichbinlecher (01/26/2013) [-]
My church does actually...
#87 - thebestofmurder (01/26/2013) [-]
I'm tired of arguing over my religion. I'll just let the haters hate and be about my business. Catch you later, 			*********		.
I'm tired of arguing over my religion. I'll just let the haters hate and be about my business. Catch you later, ********* .
#86 - draezeth (01/26/2013) [-]
>mfw people getting butthurt.   
The Church in Memphis' meeting building has WiFi, by the way. We just don't let the young ones use it because it'll distract them.
>mfw people getting butthurt.

The Church in Memphis' meeting building has WiFi, by the way. We just don't let the young ones use it because it'll distract them.
#84 - Unoriginal (01/26/2013) [-]
MFW (anti)religious post on the front page.
User avatar #96 to #84 - goodguygary ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
i'm saving this for future use.
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#75 - TheInvader (01/26/2013) [-]
The problem is not Religion or Atheism....it's just Humanity, Humans state of mind is always war with the exception of few, Humans will always try find an excuse to fight against one another
User avatar #156 to #75 - imrandybutternubs (01/26/2013) [-]
Well, Atheism isn't magical. Scientists have made many reasons how the world was created and what happened after the big bang, but I don't want to bother telling you them.
User avatar #134 to #75 - coolcalx (01/26/2013) [-]
Agnosticism: who the **** knows what happened?

I'm aware that agnosticism is not a belief by itself. I'm an agnostic atheist.
#93 to #75 - pachitoosexy (01/26/2013) [-]
But Science
#79 to #75 - draezeth (01/26/2013) [-]
That picture is everything I ever wanted.
That picture is everything I ever wanted.
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Comment Picture
#65 - bummerdrummer (01/26/2013) [-]
>be me, 15, back when i used to go to church
>get first generation iPod Touch for christmas
>take it to church because **** paying attention
>church has wifi, but its password protected
>try to guess password
>first guess "jesus"
>it worked
>praise the lord he wifi-ed for our sins
#52 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
Just shut up about religion.   
In reality, all FJ does is bash it over and over.   
I'm agnostic, and I have to say it's really irritating.   
Funnyjunk (keyword: funny) doesn't have time for this.
Just shut up about religion.

In reality, all FJ does is bash it over and over.

I'm agnostic, and I have to say it's really irritating.

Funnyjunk (keyword: funny) doesn't have time for this.
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User avatar #68 to #52 - certifiedidiot (01/26/2013) [-]
What do you mean with agnostic?
User avatar #69 to #68 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
I believe anything's possible - there's no legit. way to disprove or prove anything with 100% certainty.
User avatar #71 to #69 - certifiedidiot (01/26/2013) [-]
So you're that guy who goes to vegas knowing there is a 99.9% chance you'll lose every cent you've got in five minutes but have faith in that 0.1% that'll make yoy rich?
User avatar #74 to #71 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
Not really - I wouldn't bet on those odds. Hardline agnosticism (the one I believe is the most logical) is actually saying "I don't know, and I can never know. No one can, really."

While yes, some things (such as the lack of a god) are more likely than others (and thus the casino analogy is kinda moot), there is no 100% certain way to confirm/deny these things.

User avatar #98 to #74 - gammajk (01/26/2013) [-]
It's funny because you think you aren't an atheist, but you are. Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. If you are not actively believing in a god, then you are an atheist, even IF you accept the possibility of the existence of one.
User avatar #175 to #98 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
Difference is, atheism is the act of saying that god doesn't exist. Agnosticism is saying that he can or can't. If I'm wrong, then what are people called - the ones who resolutely state that he doesn't exist?
User avatar #178 to #175 - gammajk (01/26/2013) [-]
No. Atheism is NOT saying god does not exist. The ONLY thing atheism means is that they do not actively believe in god. If you answer anything except for "yes" to the question "do you believe in god", then you are an atheist.
User avatar #180 to #178 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
Atheist: Lack of belief in a deity.

Agnostic: Lack of knowledge in a deity.

Hardline agnosticism is different, because they openly state that no one can know. Atheism doesn't do this.
User avatar #181 to #180 - gammajk (01/26/2013) [-]
What you STILL fail to acknowledge is that atheism and agnosticism are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. Most atheists could be called agnostic atheists. Guess what, you CANNOT be a pure agnostic. That definition simply does not exist. You can claim you have a lack of knowledge in a deity all you like, that doesn't change the fact that you aren't actively believing in a god, therefore making you an atheist. Atheism is NOT actively disbelieving in a god, either - it is simply the lack of an active belief in a deity.
User avatar #184 to #181 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
1) Hardline agnosticism applies not only to your own personal belief, but to a whole population. Not only do they say that they don't believe a god exists, but that it's impossible to believe. Also, it's more philosophy-based rather than religious, because it can extend past the issue of a deity.

Atheism is centered around the lack of belief in a deity. It's more specific, and doesn't have the same range of subject that agnosticism has.

However, I am not saying (and never have explicitly stated) that atheism and agnosticism are mutually exclusive. If it seemed like that, then ignore my previous comments.

Never said they were completely different.

2) I am an agnostic atheist. I just said agnostic to get the point across that I don't have a personal stake in my original claim that people should stop the religious bashing.

3) There is such a thing as agnostic theism - where you believe a god exists but aren't sure what it is. So at a point, atheism does split from agnosticism. The amorphous blob analogy only applies up to a certain point.
User avatar #182 to #181 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
1)I never explicitly said the two are exclusive all the time. I just said that there is a technical difference because agnosticism stating something about a whole population, along with a persona belief whereas atheism is a personal belief. That doesn't mean that they are completely separate things; it's more like pointing to different sections of a metaphorical amorphous blob and defining them as "regions." In this case, the regions are somewhat different, but not completely.

Never said they were completely different.

2) I am an agnostic atheist. I just said agnostic to get the point across that I don't have a personal stake in my original claim that people should stop the religious bashing.

3) There is such a thing as agnostic theism - where you believe a god exists but aren't sure what it is. So at a point, atheism does split from agnosticism. The amorphous blob analogy only applies up to a certain point.

User avatar #183 to #182 - gammajk (01/26/2013) [-]
Let me put it this way. You call yourself an agnostic because you're too much of a pussy to just admit that you don't believe in god to religious people. You can't just sit on the fence forever and pretend to be superior to everybody else, you know.
User avatar #186 to #183 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
So, I think god is highly improbable. But it would be egotistical and stupid to say that, with certainty, he doesn't exist.

That's what agnosticism is about. It's not a cop-out. It's literally trying to find the most logical explanation, and taking into account that the human perspective is entirely limited.
User avatar #187 to #186 - gammajk (01/26/2013) [-]
I KNOW what agnosticism is about. But attempting to dodge the fact that you're an atheist just so you don't have to discuss it with anybody IS a cop-out. Just admit the fact that you don't believe in god and move on. Guess what, MOST atheists are agnostic as well, including myself. But that doesn't mean I'm going to give any credence to baseless claims.
Plus, atheism would only be "stubborn and illogical" if there was ANY evidence whatsoever that even ALLOWS for the existence of a deity.
User avatar #190 to #187 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
Ok, looking back on this conversation, up to this point it seems like I was wording things wrong.
However, your comment proves, to me, that I do, in fact, need to clarify, because neither of us understands/was wording our arguments correctly.
So, here are the definitions (just to make sure we have everything cleared up, and so I can prove to you why agnosticism isn't a cop-out).
Note: When I refer to “general-sense” atheist, I’m referring to the collection of belief systems that have a lack of belief in a god. Although I do fall under this category, I do not fall under the category of a common atheist (below).
Note 2: I made up the term “common atheist.” Whatever the name is, however, I am not part of it (as you will see).

Hardline Atheist: Says that God doesn't exist. Is 100% certain about this. These were the atheists I was referring to as "stubborn," and you'll see why.

Common Atheist: Says "I have a lack of belief in God."

Agnostic Atheist: Is, in fact, a general-sense atheist (which is different than a common/hardline atheist, because general-sense encompasses all 3 groups). But this is similar to saying that a grizzly bear is a bear; it is not specific enough (especially when referring to religion). The differences between a common atheist and an atheist agnostic are below.

Agnostic Theist: "God exists, but I don't know what he is." Clearly not atheist, but is still agnostic. This is an example of an agnostic not fitting the atheist category.

Obviously, a hardline atheist and an agnostic are not the same. However, let's compare the common atheist to the atheist agnostic:
User avatar #191 to #190 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
a) Both have a lack of belief in God.
b) Both are part of the "general sense" atheist group (defined by the lack of belief).
a) Common atheists don't address the issue of certainty. Agnostics do. Even then, there are two types of agnostics: Hardline and softline. The hardline says that no one can know the true nature of God. Softline only says "I can't know the true nature of God." So, agnostics split off from atheists in that they actually acknowledge the issue of certainty, whereas atheists either ignore it or don't acknowledge it.
b) When I said that agnosticism falls under the category of atheism, I was not telling the whole story. Agnosticism actually, depending on how you define it in context with the rest of your spiritual/philosophical beliefs, can actually extend ¬¬past religion. A general sense of my agnosticism is that I believe that nothing is certain – whether it comes to morals, perception, religion, etc.

This is what I believe atheism is lacking. Because the issue of certainty in one's beliefs does need to be addressed. While the common atheist does not say they are 100% certain, they also don't say that they are uncertain. They just don’t address the issue at all.
I like to think that common atheists are either hardline atheists or common agnostics in the making. This is because they will eventually have to address the issue of certainty, which they don’t. Obviously, this comes from my beliefs as an agnostic.
User avatar #192 to #191 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
Now, for why the “cop-out” explanation makes no sense:
1) I really don’t care whether or not I offend atheists or the religious by saying I’m agnostic. I’m not, in fact, trying to avoid the fact that I am atheist. That is a baseless claim you just made, a claim made by many because they feel like agnostics are, in fact, the cowards of the religious community. However, even if some agnostics are, this does not apply to me. I did not become agnostic to avoid conflict. I became agnostic because I think it’s the most logical choice.
2) The reason, instead, is that I have enough confidence to say that nothing is certain. This is what separates me from the common atheist. Not that they don’t have the confidence to admit it; it’s just that they don’t acknowledge the issue of certainty.
I am agnostic atheist because, like you, I lack a belief in god. However, I am willing to state that I can’t be 100% certain. Only 99%. Yes, I am saying that there is the possibility of the Christian God existing. However, it is very unlikely. I’m also willing to say that there is a possibility that unicorns exist, and that I am, in fact, a leprechaun (without my knowledge, of course). This is because humans have an extremely limited worldview, and who are they to say that something doesn’t exist if, hypothetically, it does exist beyond their perspective? However, these examples are obviously incredibly unlikely, which is why I lean towards common atheism, rather than theism. Thus, agnostic atheist.
I won’t give them a 0% chance, though, because anything is possible, and nothing – absolutely nothing – can be proven/disproven to a 100% chance.
So, long story short, I hereby announce that I am atheist (contrary to what I may have portrayed earlier, because I worded it horribly). However, I am not a common atheist. I am an agnostic atheist.
It may have seemed like I was trying to dodge the claims of me being atheist. Sorry if I portrayed it like that.
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User avatar #185 to #183 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
1) I can't delete my comments anymore, so just look at comment #184 as a revision.

2) No, I'm not a pussy. Atheism - the type demonstrated in this post - is completely ******* stubborn and illogical. If something is so completely beyond our comprehension that we can't prove/disprove it, we have to allow for that possibility. Humans can never know this, though, because nothing - not a single ******* thing - is certain.

However, you may have the argument that that last statement is contradictory. However, like how a box can't contain itself, that statement doesn't apply to itself.
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User avatar #60 to #52 - thewalruss (01/26/2013) [-]
But is funny... I mean, it's not like a real statment, you know? It's just a joke.
User avatar #62 to #60 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
but it's constantly reposted and is beating a dead horse.

Overall humor is subjective, so you can think it's funny. I just think that most people don't, and that pictures like these just get really annoying (to me).

User avatar #64 to #62 - thewalruss (01/26/2013) [-]
Well it will be on the front page in just two or three hours... so the people actually find it funny. And this is the first time I see this post. If you don't like it, thumbit down or skip it.
User avatar #66 to #64 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
that's what I'm doing. Along with a rant to vent.

either way, i think i'm done. have a good day.
User avatar #67 to #66 - thewalruss (01/26/2013) [-]
Have a good night sir...
User avatar #51 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
I hate that people find this unfunny just because it's bashing religion. Same as I hate when people find things unfunny just because they're bashing atheism.
I don't give a **** what the joke is about, if it's good and new to most, post it.
#90 to #51 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
also, good and new? this is neither good nor new. this is reposted ********* in a can, just add water
User avatar #92 to #90 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
***** , obviously about 1000 people have not seen it, and whether or not it's a repost it is still funny.
#95 to #92 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
technically, at least a billion people have not seen it due to the fact that everyone does not have access to the internet, and even in that case, they may not even frequent this site.

aside from that, anyone can be fairly certain that a majority of the frequent users on this site have seen this more than once since this has in fact been on the front page in the past. also, if you take a look at this ********* , not a lot of people find this funny, mostly retarded, lacking in any logic, and down right offensive to most religious people. even those that aren't religious find this rather idiotic
User avatar #101 to #95 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
But there is no reason to find it idiotic. It was a good joke and everyone is acting like all it said was "Hur da religons dum. Athis r smart." when it was actually a pretty clever joke, if anyone finds this offensive, they don't belong on the internet.
#103 to #101 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
so you're saying, you find it hilarious and believe that your god which you believe in (you said you're christian) has no power and find it funny that people mock that?
User avatar #104 to #103 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
No, I find it funny they way he cleverly used an insult, that's what a joke is. Just because I found this funny doesn't mean I believe what it says, like if you find a 9/11 joke funny that doesn't mean you want to crash a plane into buildings. No matter what the joke is mocking, I enjoy it for what it's worth and deal with it.
#105 to #104 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
okay then. let me tell you a joke.
you suck.

yay, i'm funny. see what i mean?

anyway, i think you're thumbing yourself up. are you thumbing yourself up? i'm pretty sure you are considering i don't see anyone thumbing you up right now
User avatar #107 to #105 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
I'm not thumbed up, also, you can't thumb yourself up, so, no.
Also, that's not a joke, that's a statement. You didn't have a punchline, you didn't twist it into me not expecting an ending and laughing.

Here's an insulting joke:
"How does a black chick tell if she's pregnant?
When she pulls the tampon out, all the cotton is already picked."
Here's just an insult:
" ******* ****** , go pick cotton."

It's hard to explain why a joke works, because a lot of the time we laugh at things and have no idea why.
#108 to #107 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
how to thumbs one self:
>log out
>log in as different account
>thumb up all comments made by original account
>log back out
>log back into original account

you could have done that for all i know
User avatar #110 to #108 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
The problem with that is that my thumb count on all these comment is 0, so obviously, the answer is no. Also, we aren't discussing FJ's thumbing system, so I don't get why you would bring that up.
#111 to #110 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
how to end up with zero:
>i thumb you down
>you thumb yourself up

basic math, dude. get it? anyway, i brought it up because i thumbed you down and noticed it go back to zero. i really don't think anyone's gonna be thumbing you up so ya that's why
User avatar #112 to #111 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
Well I'm not doing it, also I COULDN'T be able to do that because the thumb limit is 5, since ever one of your comments has a thumb up the second it's posted I guess someone it just watched this thread thumbing them all up.

But none of that matters in the conversation we were having, so, irrelevant.
#113 to #112 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
thumb up is limitless
thumb down is 5 per ip

i can't thumb you down anymore, but you can thumb yourself up all you like
User avatar #114 to #113 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
Still irrelevant.
#115 to #114 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
completely relevant to what i was just saying about how you could thumb yourself up

i'm onto you zionsype. you can't fool me.

your probable reaction to this:
#116 to #115 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
We were talking about why this joke is funny, even if it's insulting.
Then you suddenly bring up thumbs, so that was irrelevant.
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#78 to #51 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
probably because it's bashing the core of their beliefs. i'm sure you would be offended too if people attacked the core of your beliefs as being stupid and or incorrect
User avatar #81 to #78 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
I am christian, and I'm not at all offended.
#85 to #81 - anon (01/26/2013) [-]
i'm not sure whether to believe you or not
User avatar #89 to #85 - zionsype (01/26/2013) [-]
For what reason would you not? I just don't get offended, my father could have been a holocaust survivor with cancer who died in 9/11, and I wouldn't get offended by jokes about any of those.
User avatar #48 - kevinzheng ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
maybe because the people that go to church are there to respect their belief and not to go there just to browse on the internet?
User avatar #49 to #48 - kevinzheng ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
i mean practice their belief
User avatar #46 - exclamation (01/26/2013) [-]
Funny because I posted this a few months ago... And you can even look on my profile...
User avatar #50 to #46 - HarvietheDinkle (01/26/2013) [-]
I've seen this countless times. How do I know yours isn't a repost?
User avatar #39 - reican (01/26/2013) [-]
What if: God or Gods, placed humanity on earth as a nature science project at school?
to create a living species and see and document how they evolve and build without interfering?

What if we are nothing but a damn science project and the gods are just school kids trying to get an A?
#117 to #39 - frink (01/26/2013) [-]
Simpsons did it.
#57 to #39 - yomommabinshoppin (01/26/2013) [-]
Explains why space is dark, its in the middle of the night before presentation day at school and the lights are off in his room.
User avatar #43 to #39 - mayormilkman (01/26/2013) [-]
What if this a part of an even larger expirement.
#44 to #43 - reican (01/26/2013) [-]
what if hell is the bully kids hat kills ants with sun+ magnifying glass?
what if hell is the bully kids hat kills ants with sun+ magnifying glass?
#38 - teamrocketninja (01/26/2013) [-]
Yeah, lemme just park this over here.
#37 - teenytinyspider (01/26/2013) [-]
Cellphones with internet. All you need is a good signal. No wifi.

Pic related.
User avatar #35 - jacencaedus ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
The one I go to has wifi, it's **** wifi, but it's wifi
User avatar #41 to #35 - wcar ONLINE (01/26/2013) [-]
Same here.
User avatar #36 to #35 - xmonke (01/26/2013) [-]
My church also has free wifi...awkward...
#34 - JohnnyRenegade (01/26/2013) [-]
The one I go to on occasion has wifi.
The one I go to on occasion has wifi.
#31 - sircool (01/26/2013) [-]
because people go to church to go onto the internet all the time.
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