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User avatar #64 - secondlawprevails (01/12/2013) [-]
I've only seen the lord of the rings movies (forgive my ignorant ass) but can someone explain gandalf's origin besides BAM! there's a badass wizard who knows how to fix things.
User avatar #92 to #64 - effort (01/12/2013) [-]
Basically there is an almighty being named Eru Il├║vata, who created spirits called the Ainur. After the creation of the world, these spirits were sent to help shape and govern the world. Among the Ainur, there were 15 powerful ones who stood out, 1 of them whom turns evil and becomes the Dark Lord, named Melkor/Morgoth. The other 14 are later named Valar, and the remaining lesser Ainur are called Maiar. That is where Gandalf, Saruman Radagast and etc belong. Sauron and Balrogs are also Maiar, but has been under the influence of Melkor.

And If I remember correctly, there were suppose to be 3 maiars who would be sent to Middle Earth to aid the free people(elves humans dwarves etc) against Sauron. Those 3 were Saruman, Gandalf, and Alatar. Gandalf brought Radagast with him, and Alatar brought Pallando with him. After arriving to Middle Earth, instead of being called Maiar, they were named Istari or Wizards.

We don't hear from the two blue wizards since they have traveled east.
User avatar #148 to #92 - pallando (01/14/2013) [-]
Very true! I hope they will make them appear in the hobbit though. That would be awesome!
User avatar #86 to #64 - friendlyanonymous (01/12/2013) [-]
You'd have to read The Silmarillion or something.
It is insanely difficult of a read, but explains everything well.
User avatar #89 to #86 - secondlawprevails (01/12/2013) [-]
Well, I suppose it warrants a try.
User avatar #90 to #89 - friendlyanonymous (01/12/2013) [-]
Honestly, I think it takes the first 15 pages to basically put out all there is of the wizards.
It's basically 5 parts of some beings mind, split and sent out to defeat evil in the world. I may be wrong, I'm not that good at reading that style of writing, but it is my guess.
#77 to #64 - xxxsonic fanxxx (01/12/2013) [-]
yeah its kind of difficult to explain
its something about another dimension or something god like society i dont know
called the Istari i think!
The Istari sends their wizards to middle earth !
The White saruman
Three Blue wizards i think as mentioned in The Hobbit
Gandalf the grey
and the crazy brown one with bird **** on his face!
but you better google it my friend!
and sorry for my bad english!
#78 to #77 - shitflippingpattie (01/12/2013) [-]
Ratagast is the Brown wizard.
******* badass, but not exploited in the plot much.
#81 to #78 - xxxsonic fanxxx (01/12/2013) [-]
yes !
i liked him in the movie! but i was a bit disturbed about the **** in his face!!
but real badass with his fast rabbits !
User avatar #73 to #64 - sergeantdessel (01/12/2013) [-]
Ok so Gandalf the other four wizards and Sauron are these beings called valar which are basically angels so when Sauron became evil these five were sent to find a way to defeat him.
User avatar #107 to #73 - HarvietheDinkle (01/12/2013) [-]
they're actually all maiar, which are a magnitude below valar.
User avatar #71 to #64 - nightranger (01/12/2013) [-]
Basically all the wizards were these spirits that were basically lesser gods that took on mortal form to protect the world from evil but because they became mortal they could fall victim of like temptation and stuff and that's why Sauron could turn evil and Radaghast basically gave up on people and lived in the woods and **** .

They don't really explain it unless you read the Silmarillion, and even then they don't explain it super well.
User avatar #52 - imabser (01/12/2013) [-]
I never understood the magic fight in the first movie if they could just take a staff out of each others hand wouldnt the fight be whoever could take the others staff fastest?
User avatar #35 - mojusk (01/12/2013) [-]
never understood why gandalf didnt just get the eagles to fly frodo into mordor.
wouldve saved them all for alota trouble
User avatar #68 to #35 - redthumbmaster (01/12/2013) [-]
The Nazguls would have stopped the eagle also if it hasn't been said. The armies of Mordor would destroy the eagles unfortunately.
User avatar #59 to #35 - ivoryhammer (01/12/2013) [-]
Eagles couldn't bear the evil of the ring, and Sauron would've seen them in seconds, and they aren't Gandalf's bitches.
#46 to #35 - xxxsonic fanxxx (01/12/2013) [-]
You clearly haven't read the books. In the books they explain that the nazgul is way too powerfull for the eagles. Get your facts straight before yelling some bullcrap.
#44 to #35 - jurto (01/12/2013) [-]
I thought the same thing, too. Same thing as in The Hobbit. Why can they just fly to anywhere they want instead of walking, getting in troubles, and then flying the 						****					 out of there?
I thought the same thing, too. Same thing as in The Hobbit. Why can they just fly to anywhere they want instead of walking, getting in troubles, and then flying the **** out of there?
User avatar #57 to #44 - sketchE (01/12/2013) [-]
im pretty sure theres an explenation that the eagles are not servents of men and that what they do is minimal enough to count as one of the favors they owe gandalf
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#54 to #48 - jurto (01/12/2013) [-]
I tried when I was a kid, but it's descriptions got me bored easily. Maybe I should give it a try. I didn't mentioned that I had, anyway, and it is still a script fail on the movies. They're not 'facts', since they didn't happen.
I tried when I was a kid, but it's descriptions got me bored easily. Maybe I should give it a try. I didn't mentioned that I had, anyway, and it is still a script fail on the movies. They're not 'facts', since they didn't happen.
#74 to #54 - xxxsonic fanxxx (01/12/2013) [-]
His details are ridiculous. At a point he spends 6 pages on a tree, but about the eagles. They will not just fly people where ever they want to be taken. They only take gandalf around because they owe him a favor.
#28 - tkfishandchips (01/12/2013) [-]
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#21 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
awww yeaaah gandalf, the smoker of ounces, the packer of pipeweed!
awww yeaaah gandalf, the smoker of ounces, the packer of pipeweed!
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User avatar #72 to #61 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
Your on the internet, what do you expect? I could find even more mentally challenged arguments if you fancy. not hard really, you have to wade through a dozen to reach the real comment section gold.
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#22 to #21 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
Really? Of all the badassery Gandalf and furthermore Ian McKellen is composed of, you chose to idolize his ability to inhale a burning plant? Really?
#82 to #22 - ohhitheree (01/12/2013) [-]
Have you seen those smoke rings?
User avatar #29 to #22 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
ITS A GIF YOU TWAT! thats not idolization, its a ******* ship going through a hoop. And no im not going to remind you of all the much more badass **** he did, i know, you know, and so does everyone else
#30 to #29 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
Yes it is a gif. And both your alternative titles for the grey wizard were marijuana related. You literally could have used anything he ever did, but you chose marijuana, which (though I may very well be wrong) was never specified as the plant in the pipe.
#83 to #30 - ohhitheree (01/12/2013) [-]
....They use pipeweed which is tobacco. A legal drug.
#88 to #83 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
I am not well versed in the many varieties or flammable, recreational plants, as I have no interest in using them.
User avatar #51 to #30 - supersaiyajin (01/12/2013) [-]
Tolkien specifically stated later on that the material being smoked was tobacco, NOT marijuana. I love how stoners make a big deal out of it, as if 'weed' automatically means 'pot'.
User avatar #65 to #51 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
Because Tolkien knows how much the public enjoys their wacky tobacky! Hey, you may be right. I may be right. We may both be wrong and its magical pixie dust. Who said anything about it being pot? Your the first person bringing that up ser. All context to weed was in reference to LOTR, and whatever the substance may be! While everyones combined efforts are indeed turning this into a "big deal", I just enjoyed the connections you could make between the ravenous always hungry hobbits, their love of weed & other quirky jests in the movies. Har!
#38 to #30 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
He chopped off some goblins head.

omg su moch betur.

they call it pipeweed in the movie, refer to The fellowship extended edition scene 5. and LORD HELP ME IF IM WRONG BUT PERHAPS THEY USE THE ******* METRIC SYSTEM!
#42 to #38 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
I concede the point on the 'pipeweed', for as I mentioned before I wasn't sure. Second, how many people do you know that have decapitated a goblin? Third, I'd prefer you keep your sarcastic misuse of grammar to yourself.
User avatar #47 to #42 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
y dun u leik me tlak dis wai? pinaplepepul pls! pinaplepepul! stahp!! Ive read my fair share of books involving the decapitation of goblins... Rook Barkwater from the edge chronicles for one. And i completely meant it to be taken as weed, because tis what it be! "your love of the halflings weed has slowed your mind gandalf!" - Saruman. How many people do YOU know that can make cool 3D moving object out of smoke? (any kind)
User avatar #70 to #53 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
I duno, i feel fine, but like the hulk my seething rage knows no bounds!
User avatar #62 to #53 - Kanoah (01/12/2013) [-]
That wasn't even spelled correctly.
#50 to #47 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
Because I am attempting to have an intelligent conversation with someone and hope they prove they are more than just another retarded stoner. And if we're citing fictional characters as our personal acquaintances to answer each other's questions, then I'm gonna go with god. He made the universe from nothing, I think he can make a 'cool 3D moving object out of smoke'.
User avatar #56 to #50 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
1- False. Bears are best.

2- God isn't real, and is not the main protagonist in any novels, your weak counter point leads me to believe it is YOU who may not only be "another retarded stoner", but a cantankerous stereotyping asshat! Do not bring religion into this. Do not.

3- You are a liar... and a vagabond who enjoys sodomy. Harumph. Intelligent conversation you say, but you and your snide comments have started this arguement and theres no turning back now!

4- God dammit man Gandalf is a fictional character! Stop feeding me ammo!



#60 to #56 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
1-Okay?
2-That's why I listed him as a fictional character and never specified him as a main character. This debunks the rest of your comment, so I'll just say work on your interpretation skills.
3-( **** this is fun) I have not once lied, nor do I prefer penile shafts to vaginal canals. Intelligent conversations are quite possible to maintain while still being hostile, provided both parties possess a shred of wit. In fact, it is one of my favorite hobbies.
4- Yes he is. Now bite the bullet.
User avatar #69 to #60 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
1-seventeen

2- In context to the rest of out conversation, which YOU might need to sharpen your interpretation skills on, all examples have been from real life books. You can use god for any example. ANY. Example. Now write another response to number two!

3- Sodomy as in your copulate with animals.

4- There are too many replys to this, whatever you may think of us "retarded stoners", ive got better things to do than slam my head into my keyboard all night. GOOD NIGHT, SER.
#76 to #69 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
1- Tralse
2- Are you implying the edge chronicles are based in real events? Or that the bible isn't a 'real life book?' Just wondering what you're saying before I tell you how wrong you are.
3- That's true. But I'm very picky. I only accept Homo Sapiens. (and a few close cousins)
4- I was merely making a play on words. I happen to like stoners a lot actually. My best friend is quite the, um, token pothead? I just don't like when people bring their inhaling/ exhaling habits into every facet of their lives. I suggest using your fingers next time. Good night Cameron.
#32 to #30 - swagbot (01/12/2013) [-]
chill out slut

it's just a joke.
#33 to #32 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
At this point, becoming more chill is a physical impossibility. I am currently as chill as an eskimo's nutsack.
#41 to #33 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
Which is a body part they like to keep nice and toasty thank you very much.  what, do they run around the great north with their willies hanging out?  your groin is also one of the warmest/biggest heat producing area on your body.
Which is a body part they like to keep nice and toasty thank you very much. what, do they run around the great north with their willies hanging out? your groin is also one of the warmest/biggest heat producing area on your body.
#43 to #41 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
I see, and tell me good sir how you came to acquire this knowledge of the nature of northern natives nads?
User avatar #49 to #43 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
mmm dat alliteration. well sonny let me tell you about this magical place called yellowknife! Far to the north where the spit freezes in the air, and your eyeballs frost if you dont blink fast enough, you will find these brave men. And you will find they are just like you and me, and dont all think seal eyeballs "taste like icecream". They dont want a cold penis anymore than you or I my friend.
#55 to #49 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
Thank you, I enjoyed writing that. As for the simile I used earlier it was more to establish an easy to understand counterpoint than to hold any semblance of accuracy. If you desire I shall craft a more suitable comparison to suit your tastes. How's this: "chiller than Walt Disney's corpse"?
User avatar #58 to #55 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
Walt disney was a powerful and very rich man, he could have had any funeral arrangements he desired, heated coffin, sleeping bag, the boiling blood of cthulu. Also he was cremated so the last remnants of his corpse were pretty ******* warm.
#63 to #58 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
Yes, but there is a popular urban legend that he was frozen in an attempt to save him for a resurrection (or treatment, depends on the legend you hear) to be performed in the future.
User avatar #66 to #63 - cameronrox (01/12/2013) [-]
"urban legend". i dont think i need to say anymore.
#67 to #66 - pineapplepeople (01/12/2013) [-]
A comparison can play off of something that isn't necessarily true. If it couldn't poetry would be much duller.
User avatar #19 - Gandalfthewhite (01/12/2013) [-]
you know the eagles charge hourly, i'm not made of money
#117 to #19 - Fedexx (01/12/2013) [-]
Share the load.
Share the load.
#20 to #19 - onichild (01/12/2013) [-]
I lol'd hard 10/10
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User avatar #4 - billybobjoeii (01/11/2013) [-]
Since the previous two comments did not do a suitable job, allow me to clarify:

Gandalf does not have Eagle summoning powers. The eagles saw a fight was going on and wanted a part in it. They then proceed to take Gandalf and gang to the Eagle's nest, where Gandalf then talks to the Eagle king to see where he will drop them off.

It is here we see another thing many people commonly think:

The King Eagle tells Gandalf that they will not take the party any further than where they end up dropping them off because it is too dangerous for them to proceed any further (hence why they don't fly Frodo over Mount Doom).

As for picking Frodo up from Mount Doom (and their fight with the Nazgul in the final battle in Return of the King), they were ordered there by their Master, the (at that time) greatest of the Valar, Manwe.
#45 to #4 - wudup (01/12/2013) [-]
Granted, Gandalf CAN call on the eagles when he needs help, as he saved their leader from poison a long time ago and they are thus willing to aid him when he needs it.
User avatar #122 to #45 - billybobjoeii (01/12/2013) [-]
If I can recall correctly, the eagles that appear in the hobbit had no previous correlation with Gandalf other than the "King Eagle" being the son of Thorondor, the first King of the Eagles.
User avatar #34 to #4 - shazmothree (01/12/2013) [-]
Valar? I'm guessing this is information from the books written by Tolkein's son
#40 to #34 - diroccodoodleedoo (01/12/2013) [-]
No, the Valar are from the Sillmarillion, the book Tolkien wrote concerning the entire history of the world of the Lord of the Rings (AKA Arda) up until the fall of Numenor (basically LOTR Atlantis). The Valar are basically the 'gods' of the world, although they are only servants of the one god, Eru Illuvatar. Characters like Gandalf, Saruman, and even Sauron and Balrogs are actually angelic beings called Maiar, which are basically subordinate Valar (read: angels). Sauron, Balrogs, and most other evil Maiar were corrupted by the rouge Valar, Morgoth, (aka Melko, Melkoth, Bauglir) who is basically the devil.    
   
If you are interested, I highly recommend reading the Sillmarillion, but caveat emptor, 						******					 denser than week old fruitcake and is basically a History textbook with only a few actual narratives in it. Although, there are a couple of great stories in it, such as the Tale of Beren and Luthien.
No, the Valar are from the Sillmarillion, the book Tolkien wrote concerning the entire history of the world of the Lord of the Rings (AKA Arda) up until the fall of Numenor (basically LOTR Atlantis). The Valar are basically the 'gods' of the world, although they are only servants of the one god, Eru Illuvatar. Characters like Gandalf, Saruman, and even Sauron and Balrogs are actually angelic beings called Maiar, which are basically subordinate Valar (read: angels). Sauron, Balrogs, and most other evil Maiar were corrupted by the rouge Valar, Morgoth, (aka Melko, Melkoth, Bauglir) who is basically the devil.

If you are interested, I highly recommend reading the Sillmarillion, but caveat emptor, ****** denser than week old fruitcake and is basically a History textbook with only a few actual narratives in it. Although, there are a couple of great stories in it, such as the Tale of Beren and Luthien.
User avatar #36 to #34 - lorddrake (01/12/2013) [-]
It's actually more of a bundle of all the small stories and mythology that Tolkien wrote over the years. His son finished the work by linking then one to another and filling the gaps. The book resulting is called the Silmarillion.

(could be wrong here)
User avatar #120 to #36 - billybobjoeii (01/12/2013) [-]
No, the Silmarillion was the first book started, and the book near completion when Tolkien died. He intended it to be the complete tale, and 95% of the book was written by him, and the other 5% was organized and completed using Tolkiens notes (sometimes he had 3 or 4 possible scenarios over the same story).

And it really isn't a history, it's just the story of the Silmarils, and the events thereafter, hence Quenta Silmarillion (the main portion of the book). The rest is just background and foreground info.
User avatar #37 to #36 - shazmothree (01/12/2013) [-]
So lets say I want to read what took place before the Hobbit in chronological order, what would I read first?
User avatar #39 to #37 - lorddrake (01/12/2013) [-]
You should read that book.
The Hobbit and The lord of the Rings are telling the story of the 3rd age.
The Silmarillion is telling the story of the 1st and 2nd ages. So yea, it's kind of the beginning. If you really like the Tolkien universe, read it.

I warn you tho, the writing is pretty different from The Hobbit or LOTR, more complex, more mythological.
And the last quarter of the book is almost un-readable, mostly talking about how this guy is the son of this guy and who gave birth to what line of warriors that lived under this one magic city, etc...
User avatar #24 to #4 - turboderp (01/12/2013) [-]
eh.. didn't he talk to some butterflies, and they went and called for the eagles? I might be wrong, that's just how I got it..
User avatar #26 to #24 - Nullifier (01/12/2013) [-]
Thats some BS they invented in the movies, there are no butterflies..
User avatar #121 to #26 - billybobjoeii (01/12/2013) [-]
Actually there were, with one minor correction; it was a moth.
User avatar #144 to #121 - Nullifier (01/12/2013) [-]
They were used more by Radagast, though, who doesn't even appear in the movies as communicating with Gwaihir.
User avatar #27 to #26 - turboderp (01/12/2013) [-]
Oh.. Well, I have only watch'd the movies so I guess I don't kno **** :s

Started reading the hobbit in christmas, but then school started and haven't have too much time reading.. Probably will do in next vacation ^^ Easter probably! :D

(I do thehobbit, then the three LOTR books if I have time)
User avatar #31 to #27 - Nullifier (01/12/2013) [-]
They're tough reads, speaking as an avid reader myself. The vocabulary is "challenging" but mostly it's just that Tolkien goes onnnnnnnn and oooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnn about certain things
User avatar #14 to #4 - kensislayer (01/12/2013) [-]
I thought the king of he eagles owed gandalf because he saved their king from a poisoned arrow
User avatar #5 to #4 - padrerebelscumole (01/11/2013) [-]
Isn't the brown wizard the summoner of the eagles?
User avatar #6 to #5 - billybobjoeii (01/11/2013) [-]
No. No one "summons" the eagles.
User avatar #13 to #6 - satrenkotheone ONLINE (01/12/2013) [-]
But I wanted to be summoner of the eagles...
User avatar #7 to #6 - padrerebelscumole (01/11/2013) [-]
When Gandalf is kept prisoner on Sarumans Castle roof the eagle was sent by the brown wizard.
#9 to #7 - xxxsonic fanxxx (01/11/2013) [-]
Think you are right seeing how Gandalf was "speaking" to a moth before the eagles arrived.
User avatar #12 to #9 - billybobjoeii (01/12/2013) [-]
Tolkien's world is not ours, some animals speak in that world (though not any tongue commonly known), and he is a wizard, after all. So him speaking to a moth isn't too far fetched.
#18 to #12 - applescryatnight ONLINE (01/12/2013) [-]
gandalf has wizard ears too
User avatar #8 to #7 - billybobjoeii (01/11/2013) [-]
No, Gandalf captures and sends a moth to go and ask the Eagles to come rescue him. An eagle named Gwaihir ends up doing so.

It might also be fair to note Gwaihir also took Gandalf's body from Zirak-Zigil (the place where he fought and killed the Balrog).
User avatar #15 to #8 - padrerebelscumole (01/12/2013) [-]
It appears to be a You need to login to view this link to the moth doesn't exist to the books.
lotr.wikia.com/wiki/The_Moth under controversy
User avatar #123 to #15 - billybobjoeii (01/12/2013) [-]
Huh. Must not remember that portion.... UGHAKLJ:AFKLMK

READING TIME!
User avatar #10 to #8 - blarglestheclown (01/12/2013) [-]
you know your lore sir.
User avatar #11 to #10 - billybobjoeii (01/12/2013) [-]
Haha, I love Tolkien.
#3 - xxxsonic fanxxx (01/11/2013) [-]
It is quite funny if you have read the books and then look movies.
He can not summon eagles, in LOTR eagle king should be wearing crown, they stayed for night @ eagels (hobbit ending - they flew away). In hobbit eagles spotted action in woods and wanted to get part in it.
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