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#100306 - syrianassassin (01/31/2015) [-]
I finally created my own kingdom.

Looks like everything is going fine.

-rubs hand-
#100295 - syrianassassin (01/30/2015) [-]
Here is Goybama doing his job.
#100286 - syrianassassin (01/30/2015) [-]
Mongolian Pride
#100314 to #100286 - anon (01/31/2015) [-]
Wasn't their invasion of Japan & Vietnam a failure?
or am i missing the point
#100284 - istrollid (01/30/2015) [-]
join the stoner board www.funnyjunk.com/hobby/
#100305 to #100284 - dehumanizer (01/31/2015) [-]
in the trash u go
#100255 - ronjeremysweiner (01/30/2015) [-]
here's a spiel
there are multiple plains of thought
we are in plane of thought A, while god is in plain of thought B

Now imagine you are in a long hallway filled with 100 people.
at the end of the hallway is a door opened by a color code, very simple for you to open. there is a line to the door and you are at the end, the hallway is too narrow to go around anyone in front of you.
Everyone in front of you is blind deaf and dumb. the color code to open the door is red blue green. you need to explain to the person in front of you the code so that he can pass it down to the next person and they can pass it down and so on.
you can't just tell them red blue green, you have to translate it, and simplify it into a way they understand.
the reason God hasn't told as the answer to all our problems is because it would be like explaining color to blind and person. he has to give it to us through metaphors.

now here's my theory
the bible pre-catholic church was the word of god.
atheists are people who take it too literally and religious people take it too seriously.
the stories that are true are exaggerated.
creation story?
Kneckbeards: lol ya sure god created the world in seven days i call bs
bible thumpers: this dudes pretty cool he created the world in 7 days im gonna worship him.
both are wrong. the bible is a giant metaphorical poem written by dictated by god, written by his prophets, and misinterpreted by priests.
User avatar #100283 to #100255 - ragnarfag (01/30/2015) [-]
My objection would be that the "bible" is not the "word of god".
User avatar #100259 to #100255 - choobe ONLINE (01/30/2015) [-]
While it's certainly an interesting thought, it's not christianity. Remember; the Christian god can do everything.
#100302 to #100259 - ronjeremysweiner (01/31/2015) [-]
think genesis
God asks adam and steve eve if they ate an apple of knowledge, as a question!
he doesn't know right away
god is not all knowing nor powerful
he is a strong being, but not stronger than the jaws of time
#100301 to #100259 - ronjeremysweiner (01/31/2015) [-]
that shits post catholic church
cannon bible god wasnt allknowing
User avatar #100285 to #100243 - mrspookygunship (01/30/2015) [-]
I thought the mongols caused the downfall.
User avatar #100287 to #100285 - teoberry (01/30/2015) [-]
User avatar #100289 to #100287 - mrspookygunship (01/30/2015) [-]
I guess british imperialism is a bitch.
User avatar #100290 to #100289 - teoberry (01/30/2015) [-]
you spelt secularism wrong
User avatar #100291 to #100290 - mrspookygunship (01/30/2015) [-]
caused by European, manly British, Imperialism.
User avatar #100292 to #100291 - teoberry (01/30/2015) [-]
Caused by the neon lightning strikes
User avatar #100293 to #100292 - mrspookygunship (01/30/2015) [-]
That sounds awesome.
User avatar #100294 to #100293 - teoberry (01/30/2015) [-]
>tfw on the floor, crying, crying
User avatar #100296 to #100294 - ragnarfag (01/30/2015) [-]
There. there, ISIS will wipe those tears away.
#100297 to #100296 - syrianassassin (01/30/2015) [-]
they gonna do good
User avatar #100258 to #100243 - syrianassassin (01/30/2015) [-]
The more Western Cuntries mess with us. The more united and powerful we get.

Same goes for the Yugoslavian people.
User avatar #100268 to #100258 - schnizel ONLINE (01/30/2015) [-]
Not really.
User avatar #100267 to #100258 - drooms (01/30/2015) [-]
You'll have to dig your way out of the sand first though
User avatar #100272 to #100267 - syrianassassin (01/30/2015) [-]
i dont mind it
User avatar #100273 to #100272 - drooms (01/30/2015) [-]
I assumed so
Muslims really love their sand
User avatar #100278 to #100273 - syrianassassin (01/30/2015) [-]
not playing with sand in the beach

nigga get over your shit
#100223 - logickid (01/29/2015) [-]
So, I would say my beliefs (if you can even call them that) are that God could exist, but it couldn't be proven, and for my best hope, if there is an afterlife, it'll be good and I'll be able to join other people, just imagine what Heaven would be like, I want my afterlife to be a community of people I love and people I use to know (who died), and maybe even a personal heaven could be a thing too, for example, muh suicide bomber and 72 virgins, and then for me, what I said above.
User avatar #100246 to #100223 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
he bible says if you make it to heaven, you're all have no freewill and you'll just worship god for eternity. Wow, sounds so fun.
#100274 to #100246 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
[citation needed]
User avatar #100247 to #100246 - logickid (01/30/2015) [-]
meh might as well if he's real
User avatar #100248 to #100247 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
Why? If the biblical god is factual, he's unarguably a giant bigoted dickhead. In my point of you, the biblical god is 100% impossible to have ever existed. No divine being could be that evil.
#100275 to #100248 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
Just how edgy are you?
User avatar #100279 to #100275 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
literally not at all.
#100280 to #100279 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
>not at all
>posts the most edgy biased untrue bundle of world he can make on the subject
User avatar #100281 to #100280 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
biased? lol how exactly is it biased? the bible is undoubtedly filled with GOD burning people to death over basically nothing. But I know you're a troll already so this will be my last comment to you.
#100282 to #100281 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
[citation needed]

Kek you are the real troll

>everyone in sodom was wicked
>kattr: hurr durr dey didn du nuffin, gud is bad
User avatar #100249 to #100248 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
point of view*
User avatar #100251 to #100249 - logickid (01/30/2015) [-]
it's not like he wrote the broble, and plus, the thing Christians say isn't fact, none of it is, not even the thing about gays.
User avatar #100252 to #100251 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
This is the part I never got. Half of christians make up interpretations to apologize for what the bible says about slavery, killing nonbelievers ect ect, but the other half say "its all doctors and god had nothing to do with any of it"
This one makes me confused because... The bible is what says god exists, what makes you think it's not just lying about that? I mean it's like we're half way there. I already believe its 100% fiction and you're halfway there.
User avatar #100253 to #100252 - logickid (01/30/2015) [-]
idunno might buy one and study it, and analyze it, give me something to do.
User avatar #100254 to #100253 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
buy a bible? just get one for free from the street preachers
User avatar #100240 to #100223 - drooms (01/30/2015) [-]
Whatever helps you cope with death
User avatar #100231 to #100223 - ragnarfag (01/29/2015) [-]
Sounds a bit like projecting to me.
User avatar #100235 to #100231 - logickid (01/29/2015) [-]
User avatar #100236 to #100235 - ragnarfag (01/29/2015) [-]
You're basicallly projecting what you want the afterlife to be on a possible afterlife.
User avatar #100237 to #100236 - logickid (01/29/2015) [-]
why not
User avatar #100238 to #100237 - ragnarfag (01/29/2015) [-]
I'm not saying a projection is necessarly wrong, but it may lead to a false perception of reality and self illusion.
User avatar #100221 - biscuitsunited (01/29/2015) [-]
This board is 90% people saying evolution is fact, and 10% people whining about extremists.

Like I'm certain anybody with any faith just upped sticks and left.
User avatar #100271 to #100221 - eight (01/30/2015) [-]
Are you implying that a faith is a good enough reason to deny reality? Evolution IS fact. It's even widely accepted by believers in all different types of faiths because the evidence is so compelling and abundant. It's usually the fundamentalists or the plain ignorant that reject it nowadays.

Inb4: If humans came from apes then why are there still apes?
User avatar #100307 to #100271 - biscuitsunited (01/31/2015) [-]
No, I see what you've assumed and thats fine.
What I meant was this board is just edgy people coming to say evolution is fact because they think that everybody on this board will flip shit. To the point where anybody with faith seems to have gotten pissed and left, from what I've seen anyway.
That or they've all gone to worship T on another board.
User avatar #100239 to #100221 - drooms (01/30/2015) [-]
Acknowledging evolution as a fact or disliking extremists doesn't prevent you from having a faith.
User avatar #100227 to #100221 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
Actually from what I've seen it's about 50% theists and 50% atheists.
User avatar #100230 to #100227 - ragnarfag (01/29/2015) [-]
What has that anything to do with "saying evolution is fact" or "whining about extremists"?
User avatar #100232 to #100230 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
"Like I'm certain anybody with any faith just upped sticks and left."

User avatar #100233 to #100232 - ragnarfag (01/29/2015) [-]
Oh, I'm sorry, must have missed that.
User avatar #100234 to #100233 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
No problem.
User avatar #100211 - ribocoon (01/29/2015) [-]
So this guy spent like 2 hours trying to convert me to Christianity this morning
I was nice and went along like "oh well we just don't agree on some things."
Then when I wouldn't proclaim my faith he started laughing like a fucking lunatic and saying I'm going to hell and he wished that he could see me burn
Like what the actual fuck?
Finally I just got annoyed and started rattling off inconsistencies in the bible and called his God a sexist raciest murderous cunt (thanks time minchin).
Then he had this genuinely hurt look on his face and I felt so bad.
Am I the bad guy?
#100276 to #100211 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
>started rattling off inconsistencies in the bible and called his God a sexist raciest murderous cunt

he was laughing at your autism
User avatar #100250 to #100211 - ribocoon (01/30/2015) [-]
tim minchin
damn you autocorrect
User avatar #100245 to #100211 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
You should've just said "Oh, soyou're threatening me to convert now?"
User avatar #100229 to #100211 - ragnarfag (01/29/2015) [-]
You both are dicks.
User avatar #100192 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
But yeah anyway, evolution is a fact
User avatar #100242 to #100192 - teoberry (01/30/2015) [-]
Oh great, another smug athiest on this board who's deluded enough to think everyone here is an evangelical Christian and he'll be the savior of it all.
#100228 to #100192 - dijonmustardgas (01/29/2015) [-]
ok smartass, how about you explain why evolution is acceptable from an entropic view?
User avatar #100256 to #100228 - kattr (01/30/2015) [-]
I'm not sure exactly what you want from me. Because I didn't go to college to learn about evolution, I shouldn't believe it's true? Should we all be creationists until we go to college because we can't truley believe something i real until we take 3 years of study to understand it to the core on ever level. The fuck is your problem? Kill yourself.
#100257 to #100256 - dijonmustardgas (01/30/2015) [-]
no, you shouldn't be a cunt about it because you don't know better than anyone else.
Unless you have studied it for a least several years (and I'm not even suggesting that I, after 5, do fully comprehend), you are literally taking other peoples word for blind truth, while you are trying to talk down onto others who do the same
User avatar #100194 to #100192 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
Evolution is Illusion

quit smoking weed and playing pokemon.
User avatar #100224 to #100194 - ribocoon (01/29/2015) [-]
Evolution is an illusion?
Than don't ever get a vaccine again you desert hippy
User avatar #100195 to #100194 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
pls be quiet troll
#100170 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
1 1 1 = 6
1 1 1 = 6
User avatar #100191 to #100170 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
6 + 6 + 6 = 18
1 + 8 = 9
9/3 = 3
3 + 2 = 5
9 + 5 = 14
14 letters in syrianassassin
syrrianassassin is emperor nero reincarnate
#100144 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
Muslim extremists = bombs buildings, guns down people   
Christian extremists =  Bombs abortion clinics   
This is why I chuckle when I get called an "atheist extremist". Because what exactly do I do? I spread my views and debate people. That's about as extreme as I get. #You're not better than religious extremists" lol ok
Muslim extremists = bombs buildings, guns down people
Christian extremists = Bombs abortion clinics
This is why I chuckle when I get called an "atheist extremist". Because what exactly do I do? I spread my views and debate people. That's about as extreme as I get. #You're not better than religious extremists" lol ok
#100225 to #100144 - ribocoon (01/29/2015) [-]
Can you imagine is atheists put science books in hotel rooms?
Or knocked on stranger's doors trying to convert them?
Or occupied every other Sunday morning TV station telling everyone God isn't real?

The butthurt would be real
#100277 to #100225 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
>militant atheists
User avatar #100298 to #100277 - ribocoon (01/31/2015) [-]
Yeah because Hitler was totally an atheist
#100303 to #100298 - dehumanizer (01/31/2015) [-]
because he really was and all of the atheists were commies so he pretended to be a christian to get a better public opinion
#100309 to #100303 - ribocoon (01/31/2015) [-]
And terrorists aren't really Mooslimes right?
Aloha Snackbar translates to "there is no God" right?
#100310 to #100309 - dehumanizer (01/31/2015) [-]
bandwagon fallacy, unlike Islam, christianity is strictly anti-violence
#100311 to #100310 - ribocoon (01/31/2015) [-]
Buh mer is a religion of peace!
Now where have I heard that before?
#100312 to #100311 - dehumanizer (01/31/2015) [-]
see pic related
User avatar #100155 to #100144 - fuckyouthatswhy (01/29/2015) [-]
extremist atheists are too busy tipping their fedoras to bomb something
#100182 to #100155 - dijonmustardgas (01/29/2015) [-]
suicide bombing is not an option, they can't take the risk of leaving debates unfinished on-line
User avatar #100270 to #100151 - jewishcommunazi (01/30/2015) [-]
Christians in Russia preached anti-soviet propaganda (such as "bolsheviks are the devil and they will take your children away and make many people sleep together in a big bed") and wanted the old regime back, not very unpredictable that some of them would be persecuted.

"Soviet constitutions declared certain political rights, such as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion."
User avatar #100624 to #100270 - ragnarfag (02/07/2015) [-]
So? A persecution is a persecution.
#100150 to #100144 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
Atheist Extremist: kill 80 kids with one bomb. also rapes 1 years old babys. cannibalism, necrophilia and skullfucking deads
#100178 to #100150 - dijonmustardgas (01/29/2015) [-]
He shot the kids, but detonated a bomb in a street in the capital
User avatar #100180 to #100178 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
thank you for making it worse
User avatar #100154 to #100150 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
And he also didn't use "one bomb."
User avatar #100172 to #100154 - cognosceteipsum (01/29/2015) [-]
Omar told me yesterday it is impossible to change a syrians mind so you mighras well stop trying
User avatar #100200 to #100172 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
I didn't intend to change his mind, just tell him that he was wrong.
User avatar #100214 to #100200 - cognosceteipsum (01/29/2015) [-]
What's the point if they don't listen though?
User avatar #100216 to #100214 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
I don't know...
User avatar #100153 to #100150 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
Breivik was not an atheist.
User avatar #100167 to #100153 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
>he wasnt an atheist

any atheist did something wrong is not atheist

User avatar #100226 to #100167 - ribocoon (01/29/2015) [-]
Same way Hitler wasn't a real Christian and Bin Laden wasn't a real Muslim?
Top kek bro
User avatar #100196 to #100167 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
Care to find sources to support your claim? When trying to discredit atheists, then you should at least use people that were confirmed to be atheists.
#100198 to #100196 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
if you go out of your teaching you dont belong to it.

since atheism have no teaching at all. so yeah here he goes there
User avatar #100199 to #100198 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
What? I just asked you to show me a source or two,that says Breivik was an atheist. Brevik hated Marxisms along with atheism, and he though that Christianity was the thing that would unite Europe against the Muslim world, and he saw himself as a crusader. He certainly wasn't an atheist.
User avatar #100201 to #100199 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]

dont go arund yourself fool.

i said when you go out of your teaching you dont belong to it. not even for a trillion of years.

if an atheist got out of a system which says no god exist by believing in some god. then he is not an atheist.

while that thing got out of his teaching. to the trash of atheism goes. to the lowest of low.
User avatar #100202 to #100201 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
But he didn't "go out of his teachings". His actions were based on his manifesto; in which he said that he considered himself to be some kind of Christian. There is nowhere in the manifesto where he says that he rejects the idea of God.
#100203 to #100202 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
self claiming = what you belong to.

you can claim to be what you are and what you want to be.

but in fact you will be in the place for what you do.
User avatar #100204 to #100203 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
There is no other way of knowing if we can't use his claims, or what he wrote in his manifesto. The guy took inspiration from Christian crusaders, and dreamed of a fully Christian Europe. He certainly wasn't an atheist. If you wanted to discredit atheism by namedropping, then at least bother to use confirmed atheist, like Stalin.
#100205 to #100204 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
oh no shit at all!

i can now go be inspired by some religion and claim i am to it. but this will not make be with it or in it.

User avatar #100206 to #100205 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
But you probably are, when you take inspiration from it, and base your actions upon some of its teachings.

Do you not consider ISIS and Boko Haram to be Islamic?
#100208 to #100206 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]

no matter what you are and where you belong. this will not work.

dont play and hide and seek fool. you are not fooling anyone here.
User avatar #100209 to #100208 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
but Breivik didn't go and say that he rejected the notion of god. He was certainly at least a Christian deist.
User avatar #100210 to #100209 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
and where does Christianity says his action justified in it???

now we wait for the atheist faggotric tricks
User avatar #100212 to #100210 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
That is a No true Scotsman. He thought of himself as a Christian Crusader, and justified his acts on, that this was needed to save the Christian Europe from Islam.

You never posted a link, where he rejected the idea of god.
User avatar #100213 to #100212 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
i asked a question and i am expecting an answer. but using a logical fallacy will just flip it to the fallacy of fallacy.

now go bring me where does Christianity support his idea. if not then he dont belong to them.
User avatar #100215 to #100213 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
I mentioned it, because you used it. Are Boko Haram and ISIS not Islamic?

Christianity is also a historical movement, and has existed for two thousand years where there have been crusades and conquests in the name of Christianity, and he drew inspiration from this. Are you telling me that this wasn't real Christianity?
User avatar #100220 to #100219 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
Then point them out.
User avatar #100217 to #100215 - syrianassassin (01/29/2015) [-]
you cant ask while i asked.

now go have some balls and bring me your proof.
User avatar #100218 to #100217 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
Proof of what? This ?

My parents, being rather secular wanted to give me the choice in regards to religion.
At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church. I
consider myself to be 100% Christian. However, I strongly object to the current suicidal
path of the Catholic Church but especially the Protestant Church. I support a Church that
believes in self defence and who are willing to fight for its principles and values, at least
resist the efforts put forth to exterminate it gradually. The Catholic and Protestant
Church are both cheering their own annihilation considering the fact that they embrace
the ongoing inter-faith dialogue and the appeasement of Islam. The current Church elite
has shown its suicidal face, as vividly demonstrated last year by the archbishop of
Canterbury's speech contemplating the legitimacy of Shariah in parts of Britain.
User avatar #100143 - djequalizee (01/29/2015) [-]
Why did i come back here at 2:30 am
User avatar #100138 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
evolution is a fact
#100145 to #100138 - dijonmustardgas (01/29/2015) [-]
5 likes say you can't even explain the current evolutionary theories without using wikipedia
User avatar #100177 to #100145 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
evolution is realy easy to understand
#100181 to #100177 - dijonmustardgas (01/29/2015) [-]
Is it now? because it took me one course in genetics, one in devellopmental biology, one in evolutionary biology and a course in biochemical thermodynamics to actually understand how the mechanisms of evolution work
User avatar #100183 to #100181 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
really? survival of the fittest, mutations, natural selection, the passing on of new traits that would benefit the species? that's hard to understand?
#100184 to #100183 - dijonmustardgas (01/29/2015) [-]
yea, to fully understand what evolution contains and what chemical processes it follows is really hard
throwing a few buzzwords with scientific connotations to them around, is not, and sadly for you, it doesn't make you look smart
User avatar #100187 to #100184 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
It's like you're trying to prove that it's not easy enough for the common person to understand, passing on to these creationisms that "its too hard for me to understand so ill stick with god"
You don't need to take college courses to understand that DNA replications can be mutated, like a printed copy of a picture having a glitch in the printed process, and over long periods of time those mutations eventually add up to become a definitive trait
User avatar #100185 to #100184 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
i didn't know "mutations" was a scientific term, it's pretty easy to understand that. Also I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. That you need to take 3 years of courses to be able to say it's a fact?
#100186 to #100185 - dijonmustardgas (01/29/2015) [-]
I would say the process of DNA replication and the enzymology involved is rather scientific, yes,
and indeed, I would dare to claim that if you just parrot what scientists are telling you (or what the media reports about science at least, which is even worse), you cannot claim to be stating a fact, hearsay at most
If you believe that by putting on a lab coat, you cannot lie or be wrong, I severly pity you and those around you
User avatar #100207 to #100186 - christmouth (01/29/2015) [-]
I don't think that you need to know and understand every single mechanic to understand the gist of evolution. It's principles are fairly comprehensible
User avatar #100188 to #100186 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
What the fuck is your problem? Don't you repeat everything you learn? I don't understand what you're trying to get at? I completely understandeverything that's taught to me so what's the difference whether I heard it explained with "terms", I can't use them because... why? I didn't go to college to learn them? God you are a pretentious fuckwad.
#100189 to #100188 - dijonmustardgas (01/29/2015) [-]
people like you are my problem.
Cunts that come in, trying to speak down on people using buzzwords they barely understand to make themselves feel better. And no, you're not trying to 'help' anyone, since that would involve more than posting 'evolution is a fact', because, fuckwit:

- it is not a fact, it is a theory, unless you happen to have a file laying around in your euphoric lair that contains the genomic data and the changes it underwent in the past x million years. We can support the theory with other, similar processes we observe today which may have been applied to our own species
- Several churches (including the Roman Catholic one) have already stated that evolution is a viable theory in the 1950's, which makes your gloating a bit out of date
- wether you believe vanity is a sin or not, it still makes you look like a fucking cunt
User avatar #100190 to #100189 - kattr (01/29/2015) [-]
that's enough. i don't need to explain to some asshole on the internet what i understand what what I don't. I obviously don't understand the why or how of gene mutation as richard dawkins does, but I do understand that it does happen and it does prove evolution. Noe people. Fuck off.
User avatar #100137 - NekustaII ONLINE (01/29/2015) [-]
Can someone send me the video of a terrorist that is about to kill a man with a chainsaw but ends up cutting a log?
User avatar #100156 to #100114 - fuckyouthatswhy (01/29/2015) [-]
2 million dead!!! another SHOAH! goyim remember!
User avatar #100134 to #100114 - cleverguy (01/29/2015) [-]
why do you have to relate everything to the holocaust?
User avatar #100092 - dancininseptember (01/28/2015) [-]
are there any girls on this board that want to share nudes
add me on snapchat
#100100 to #100092 - syrianassassin (01/28/2015) [-]
i got some guys who would behead you instead
#100103 to #100100 - dehumanizer (01/28/2015) [-]
I really hope this is real.
User avatar #100104 to #100103 - syrianassassin (01/28/2015) [-]
ISIS have sense of humor too

#100105 to #100104 - dehumanizer (01/28/2015) [-]
I really hope an actual ISIS soldier posted that smug pepe pic.
User avatar #100241 to #100105 - teoberry (01/30/2015) [-]
iirc that guy's never actually seen combat but he's part of the caliphate
User avatar #100085 - nimba (01/27/2015) [-]
Do humans have free will?
User avatar #100106 to #100085 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
Very unlikely.
User avatar #100107 to #100106 - nimba (01/28/2015) [-]
What's the probability?
User avatar #100108 to #100107 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
Well there isn't a calculable probability for it really, it's just it'd mean quite a bit of science is wrong, or was a very bizarre exception. If I had to put odds on it I'd say sub 1% though.
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User avatar #100109 to #100108 - nimba (01/28/2015) [-]
seems a bit arbitrary
User avatar #100111 to #100109 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
How so?
User avatar #100112 to #100111 - nimba (01/28/2015) [-]
applying a probability to something that has a definite answer like it is determined by a die roll.
User avatar #100113 to #100112 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
Oh yes, I agree, it does have a definite answer and there's not actually a probability of it being a certain way, but in our ignorance and lack of information we can assign it the probability of certain things being wrong that we believe.
User avatar #100102 to #100085 - cognosceteipsum (01/28/2015) [-]
Free want. Not free will. We don't get to choose what to want but we get to choose which thing we want to pick
User avatar #100115 to #100102 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
Why do you believe that?
User avatar #100124 to #100115 - cognosceteipsum (01/28/2015) [-]
Well, what I mean is that when you're going to pick which chocolate you have free want. Because there's a moment where you can reflect. I'm not very good at arguing these things
User avatar #100125 to #100124 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
Can you reconcile this with a deterministic universe?
User avatar #100126 to #100125 - cognosceteipsum (01/28/2015) [-]
Good question!.. I actually took the term from Michael Shermer. I'm not sure.

People say quantum physics give you free will but honestly I doubt it. But I'd say that we still have a little bit more advanced brains to the point of being able to make decisions. I say that's a freedom of some sort
User avatar #100130 to #100126 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
There's non-determinism in quantum physics, but quantum physics and Newtonian physics don't interact like that, basically Schroedinger's cat.

So what you're saying is that as things becomes more complex, determinism stops dictating how it works.
User avatar #100179 to #100130 - cognosceteipsum (01/29/2015) [-]
Yeah of course. But what about the possibility that our universe appeared due to quanitm phenomenon?

No, what I mean is that, even though the choice is predetermined there is still some degree of freedom to what the person is doing. Ultimately the person is steered by the laws of nature when it comes to gravity and his body when it comes to his biological needs. Die mensch kann was er will tun, aber er kann nicht will was er will.
User avatar #100148 to #100130 - cognosceteipsum (01/29/2015) [-]
I though I responded to this.. ill respond later ok?
User avatar #100149 to #100148 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
No problem.
User avatar #100269 to #100149 - cognosceteipsum (01/30/2015) [-]
Did you notice the reply? P-please don't tell me I'm too stupid to respond to
User avatar #100299 to #100269 - whatley (01/31/2015) [-]
Sorry, been a little caught up with stuff.

Can you elaborate on that first point?

Do you agree that the future is predetermined?
User avatar #100308 to #100299 - cognosceteipsum (01/31/2015) [-]

What I mean is, there must've obviously been some intermix of quantum physics on the macro scale and on the micro scale when our universe appeared. Didn't it appear throughquantum fluctuations?

User avatar #100099 to #100085 - schnizel ONLINE (01/28/2015) [-]
I don't care, I have will and that's all that I need.
User avatar #100098 to #100085 - syrianassassin (01/28/2015) [-]
idk who made this comment
#100097 to #100085 - dehumanizer (01/28/2015) [-]
everyone who says no is autistic, there is 100% free will
User avatar #100168 to #100097 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
Newtonian physics being deterministic.
#100169 to #100168 - dehumanizer (01/29/2015) [-]
what does that have to do with human's free will, you want newton's laws not to apply to you?
User avatar #100171 to #100169 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
Newton's laws do apply to me, and you, and they say that the future is already determined.
#100174 to #100171 - dehumanizer (01/29/2015) [-]
no they dont
User avatar #100175 to #100174 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
Can you elaborate?
#100176 to #100175 - dehumanizer (01/29/2015) [-]
you are making the claim that its predetermined
User avatar #100222 to #100176 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
It's morso that you're making the claim that it's not determined, but sure, lets go with that.
#100260 to #100222 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
Please show me where exactly in newton's laws is it said that there is no free will?

User avatar #100261 to #100260 - whatley (01/30/2015) [-]
It doesn't state in Newton's laws that there is no free will, but the determinism of the future is a result of those laws being deterministic. There's no wiggle room in them for stochastic events to take place on a Newtonian scale.
#100262 to #100261 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
Explain in greater detail how newton's laws are preventing you from acting freely?
User avatar #100263 to #100262 - whatley (01/30/2015) [-]
As a result of Newton's laws the future is already determined and can be predicted. If the future is determined and already set out, then there is no choice due to there being only one possible outcome. If there is no choice, then there is no free will.
#100264 to #100263 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
what do you mean by the determination of newtons laws

"Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body."

Because of this quote above there is no free will? are you retarded?
User avatar #100265 to #100264 - whatley (01/30/2015) [-]
Yes, all of Newton's laws are definite and do not have uncertainty on a Newtonian scale, they provide fully determined results,.

Let me put it this way. If you imagine a building being demolished, there's an explosive inside it, that explosive has precise energy and explosive power, when it explodes an incredibly complex series of things happens, the building crumbles, the path of every single chip of the walls is determined and they all fall in a specific way. This is incredibly complex, but it's still fully predictable and calculable, and if someone with the knowledge sat down and examined the building for long enough, and did enough calculations, they could figure out the exact path of every tiny bit of the building that would fall even if it never did fall. People are the same, we're incredibly complex and governed by complex brain reactions, but they are fully calculable and predictable, and our actions are determined, as is the future. With this, there can be no free will.
#100266 to #100265 - dehumanizer (01/30/2015) [-]
Except that doesent mean there is no free will. You can choose weather to place a bomb and where to place it, what charge, type etc. YOU ARE FREE.

Have you even tested your own crazy theory? Build two indentical buildings, then blow them up at the same time with the same type of explosive and if both rubble piles are the same then you are right.
User avatar #100300 to #100266 - whatley (01/31/2015) [-]
That's your claim, and you've already conceded that you can't prove it.

It's not a crazy theory, it's basic physics, every force has exerts an equal and opposite force. From this you can calculate the initial forces and energies in play and predict exactly the outcome.
#100304 to #100300 - dehumanizer (01/31/2015) [-]
whoa yes i can thank you very much, just give me sombe buildings to bomb

no you cant make such calculations and even if you could that DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS NO FREE WILL
User avatar #100116 to #100097 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
Can you prove that?
#100117 to #100116 - dehumanizer (01/28/2015) [-]
dont like my opinion? dont reply, or reply regardles, you have a choice in action

proove to me there is no free will
User avatar #100118 to #100117 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
You need to prove that, both things cannot occur so it could well be that you only ever had one option and took that one, even if it appeared that there were others.

Okay, all Newtonian level (Stuff bigger than atoms) interactions has been shown to be hard deterministic, meaning that actions are predetermined. If actions are predetermined then there cannot be choice, and as a result, no free will. To say that there is free will you need to refute this.
#100119 to #100118 - dehumanizer (01/28/2015) [-]
> thats such a cop

>so laws of phyisics mean there is no free will? great b8 m8
User avatar #100120 to #100119 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
It's a fact.

Well, yes. Science generally overrides philosophy when they meet, hence the relegation of modern philosophy to be mainly the philosophy of ethics. Could you suggest a reason that would imply that that piece of science may be wrong, because it's very well agreed upon?
#100121 to #100120 - dehumanizer (01/28/2015) [-]

no dont change the subject, we are talking about freedom of choice
User avatar #100123 to #100121 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
All you're proving by saying "dont like my opinion? dont reply, or reply regardles, you have a choice in action" is that there are two things that could happen according to our current knowledge, but we don't know which despite there being an already determined outcome.

Yes, and it can be scientifically proven that choice cannot exist, so it's fully relevant.
#100128 to #100123 - dehumanizer (01/28/2015) [-]
not really you will act like a prick regardless, if i pic option A you will say it was because I was determined to pic option A but if I pick option B you will say i did it becuase its preditermined to pic option B etc, this is why its very autistic to think free will doesent exist, go back to reddit
#100139 to #100128 - anon (01/29/2015) [-]
>the most autistic user on fj calls something autistic
Projection maybe?
User avatar #100147 to #100139 - cognosceteipsum (01/29/2015) [-]
He's great at that.
User avatar #100129 to #100128 - whatley (01/28/2015) [-]
Can you refute what I'm saying scientifically?
#100152 to #100129 - dehumanizer (01/29/2015) [-]
can you do the same?
User avatar #100157 to #100152 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
I can fully refute what you're saying, yes.
#100158 to #100157 - dehumanizer (01/29/2015) [-]
not without falling for the same old fallacies
User avatar #100161 to #100160 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that scientifically, Newtonian mechanics is deterministic. Can you provide any counterpoint or evidence to the contrary?
#100162 to #100161 - dehumanizer (01/29/2015) [-]
do newton's laws apply to your thoughts?
User avatar #100163 to #100162 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
Yes, the electrodes that result in thoughts are not small enough to be governened by quantum and stochastic laws.
#100164 to #100163 - dehumanizer (01/29/2015) [-]
so your definition of free will is to be able to break the laws of phyisics and turn stuff to gold using your dick if you wanted to?
User avatar #100165 to #100164 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
I'm saying that your definition of free will breaks some very significant and proven science we currently know.
#100166 to #100165 - dehumanizer (01/29/2015) [-]
like what?
User avatar #100159 to #100158 - whatley (01/29/2015) [-]
Alright, please point out the fallacy that I'm making then in saying that Newtonian mechanics is deterministic.
User avatar #100087 to #100085 - fuckyouthatswhy (01/27/2015) [-]
if we don't at least we have the illusion of free will, which is nice imho
#100082 - syrianassassin (01/27/2015) [-]
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User avatar #100083 to #100082 - fuckyouthatswhy (01/27/2015) [-]
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