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#53 - usernamesaredumb
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(12/29/2012) [-]
I'm ok with stricter age limits. It terrifies me to think that some of the assholes I went to highschool with are now old enough to get a gun, and it's 21 where they are. shudder.
#52 - crilleballe
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(12/29/2012) [-]
And that's why unresponsible people aren't allowed in the military.
#51 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account**
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I live in Australia, we have strict gun control (no semi automatic, have to go through ******** to get a gun license yadda yadda yadda)
In Australia there are about 250 murders (in total) to 21,000,000 people each year.
In America there are about 17,000 (15,000 being gun related) murders (in total) to 311,000,000 people each year.
So....
Odds of being murdered in America - around 1 in 18,000.
Odds of being murdered with a gun in America - around 1 in 20,000
Odds of being murdered in Australia - around 1 in 84,000


But no no go on, please continue to tell me about how gun control does not work.


#507 to #51 - firecrotchq
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(12/30/2012) [-]
I'm watching Snatch right now, and i was wondering why it was such a big deal, and so hard to get, a gun. then i realized they were in England. Gun control has nothing to do with crime/ murder really.
#500 to #51 - hawaiianhappysauce
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Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership per capita in the world, yet their homocide rate is the 4th lowest in the world.
#492 to #51 - conquer
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There are too many guns in America for it to work here. Keep in mind that murder is a criminal act and tell me that you honestly expect murderers and gang bangers to turn in their guns like happy, law abiding citizens. At this point in America's history, it would be a mistake to start pushing laws that work so well in Australia. It would leave many people open to threats and acts of violence simply for obeying the law. Im not saying America has it right, but i will say that your way wouldn't work here. At least, not now
#468 to #51 - thatevanguy
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(12/30/2012) [-]
You're awesome.
#429 to #51 - anon
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Chicago is a prime example of why gun control would not work in AMERICA. Australia and America are completely different areas with a completely different culture. Chicago recently reached their 500th homicide for the year of 2012 with many of those being gun related homicides. So please continue to tell me about how gun control would work in a country that already has hundred of millions of guns in the hands of the people.
#470 to #429 - anon
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Make it illegal to own one, or hold a "Cash for guns" similar to "cash for clunkers" where you submit any firearm to a local approved gun station, you get cash, and they destroy it.
#608 to #470 - revanthewin
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But if you make it illegal to own guns then you've just made millions of law abiding citizens criminals. And on a different note, if someone wanted to own a gun, would a law really stop them? I mean, criminals aren't really known for following the law.
#415 to #51 - anon
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you're also twice as likely to be assaulted in Australia than the u.s. point being the violence won't go away if you get rid of guns.Guns just make it easier to kill people. As the saying goes guns don't kill people: people kill people
#336 to #51 - adrianking
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Easy. We all already have guns.
#324 to #51 - anon
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>implying two cultures will be affected the same with any change
#198 to #51 - odonnell
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In Scotland we have strict gun laws. (Only permitted a shotgun or rifle, and only with proof of what it will be used for (Hunting etc), with locked cabinet in a secure household etc)
In Scotland (2011-12) there was around 500 Firearm related Homicides recorded. To a population of 5,295,000.
1 in 10,590 chance of being shot, Damn, we should sort out our ****. No wonder we're the murder capital of Europe.

I never realised our **** was this bad until i felt the need to do what you just done but with my values.
#130 to #51 - illogicalkhan
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America has black people though
#120 to #51 - Johnsfer
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It's illogical anyway, the only way to drastically reduce guns is to make it so that making guns is illegal, and owning guns is illegal, which is impossible because you'd be putting big companies out of business.
Either way, you ever hear of prohibition? Alcohol didn't disappear. Or how about banning drugs?
#109 to #51 - upunkpunk ONLINE
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Stop comparing drastically different countries with drastically different populations and expect to get the same result in both. There are many factors making America and Australia different one being Australia is an island which has a lot of control in who comes on and what comes in while America is above ******* Mexico which also has strict gun laws yet has high murder rates. Which in itself proves gun laws don't always work.
#365 to #109 - ertene
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(12/29/2012) [-]
Almost every gun in mexico is originally purchased in the USA
#367 to #365 - upunkpunk ONLINE
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So we should make guns illegal in every country?
#211 to #109 - anon
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So first you say stop comparing two drastically different countries and then you go on to compare Mexico and America? Those are much more different than Australia & America.
However, one country you could compare America with is Switzerland. Both have little gun control yet Switzerland has a much lower gun homicide rate.
Switzerland has 0.52 per 100,000 - vs. - America with 3.7 per 100,000
(Australia has 0.09 per 100,000)
Based on this, one could deduct that either Americans just like to think they can shoot anything they want because of HERPDERPFREEDOM and believe more guns will fix anything. Or that Switzerland's population is much more sober & mature, and actually learns proper gun etiquette. As opposed to Americans.
While I don't guns are necessarily bad, I do believe that proper gun etiquette is more important; if you can't use a gun properly, you shouldn't be allowed near one.
#261 to #211 - penguinmonk
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Now did your original computations include the effects of murder by spiders in Australia? I that case you have a 1 out of 200 chance of getting murdered.
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#578 to #477 - penguinmonk
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Because statistics on Funnyjunk are meant to be taken seriously? It's a humor site dear, get used to some sarcasm.
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#99 to #51 - imnotkickthecat
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maybe if you all had guns, you could take care of the bunny and frog problems you have over there that are killing al the native wildlife.
#611 to #99 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account**
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You do not need a semi automatic rifle to go bunny hunting.
#63 to #51 - commontroll
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We have *******, and a large populace of America lives in large cities, where you're more likely to be murdered.
#70 to #63 - comradewinter
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Australia has a larger native population and several organizations thereof who believe killing the white man is the only way to regain their lost land. Your native Americans run casinos and stuff, theirs live in the jungle.
#72 to #70 - commontroll
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I was just kidding about the black people and such. Honestly, there's no excuse for it other than just us Americans being violent. I seem to run into you a lot these past couple days comrade...
#73 to #72 - comradewinter
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Maybe we're fated to discuss everything from A-Z.
#179 to #73 - roarflmao ONLINE
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no excuse? isnt the obvious excuse that the gun regulations should be more strict? sure it would be hard to implement better gun control in USA but after 10-20 years it would probably work almost as well as the other industrialized countries. Please dont give me the "even without guns there would still be murders!" yes there still would be murders and some people would still have guns but if it wouldnt be effective why does it work in other places then?

TL:DR, Anti gun thumb up pro gun thumb down.. because reading before you thumb is unnessary right fj??
#180 to #179 - comradewinter
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I'm sorry, but what on earth are you talking about? How is this related to my comment?
#183 to #180 - roarflmao ONLINE
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tho i was supposed to reply to your earlier comment when i look back, ykno the one about americans just being more violent
#185 to #183 - comradewinter
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That wasn't my comment, either. That was commontroll's. I said the natives were more hostile, which most people agree to.
#201 to #185 - roarflmao ONLINE
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i should not comment more today.. i cant read correct and keep pressing the wrong reply button and accidentially bring up things that are irrelevant, thanks for your patience instead of insta retard stamping me m8 :)
#181 to #180 - roarflmao ONLINE
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**** replied to the wrong comment
#77 to #73 - commontroll
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(12/29/2012) [-]
Perhaps... perhaps. Well, might as well get rid of another topic while we're at it.

How's your day going, friend?
#59 to #51 - zzonked
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You Aussies have to worry about being murdered by a whole multitude of animals before you worry about getting murdered by each other
#80 to #59 - anon
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what? have you been to Australia unless you live out in the bush you are completely fine
#81 to #80 - zzonked
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I have and it was a joke.
#49 - BERTMGERT
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#47 - andrewzb
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im from georgia. our laws are stupid. you can own a rifle at 16 but only if your parent buys it for you and you can only use it if your parent is around. you can buy a rifle at 18 and buy rifle ammo but no ammo that could fit in a pistol. you can own a pistol at 18 if you get it as a gift or inheritance. you still cant buy ammo for it though. then when your 21 you can buy a pistol and ammo. you also have to be 21 to get an open carry permit. you can carry a gun around as long as its unloaded when your 18 without a permit. you can carry a loaded pistol in your glovebox when your 18 but its illegal to point it at anyone even if you are trying to protect yourself. im currently 20. i have a .38 special, .22 long semi automatic pistol, a ruger p89 9mm, and a speedmaster 241 .22 short rifle. i cant buy ammo for the rifle beecause .22 shorts can fit in some pistols. **** i cant wait till im 21. you can also buy a gun without having to do a backround check which i also think is stupid. you could be selling a gun to anybody without knowing anything about them.
#43 - theseustheminotaur
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They're highly trained to use them. If you ran out onto the street and gave a handgun to some 19 year old kid on the street and said, its yours! He is going to go shoot bottles with it, or stop signs like in superbad. I know I would've. Guns are fun. Unfortunately we aren't too bright of a species individually. We think we can handle responsibility until we have ther esponsibility. There are exceptions to every rule, and comparing 19 year olds who trained for 6 months in the military to 19 year olds who just got out of high school is ridiculous.
#478 to #43 - JoshBauer
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There's a reason we have police, and they're there to stop ********* like you from doing stupid **** like shooting stop signs. If you're legitimately stupid enough to shoot a gun in public, you deserve to be thrown in jail. Just because there are some idiots with guns doesn't mean everyone with a gun is an idiot.
#44 to #43 - anon
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So, train them, teach kids from a young age that guns are dangerous, its that ******* simple
#48 to #44 - theseustheminotaur
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We already do. Kids know guns are dangerous, they just don't care, or they think it won't hurt them. They're kids. Kids are all taught how EVIL drugs are, and they still do them. The stuff under the sink is dangerous, they'll still drink it. Maybe it tastes good? Maybe you'll get super powers? Maybe your friends dared you to and peer pressure is the most important thing in your life?
#479 to #48 - JoshBauer
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Maybe the reason you're so stupid is because you drank the stuff under the sink. I was raised around guns and I don't go around shooting random people. I know how to be responsible with them.
#628 to #479 - theseustheminotaur
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Good for you, but don't expect everyone else to be like you. You can't. Many people are raised around guns and shoot themselves accidentally or other people. Just because you didn't and don't, doesn't mean that is the rule. The point is guns are so accessible, and not everyone who has access to a firearm is trained to use it or care for it. No need to get personal and attack people who don't agree with your opinion.
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#481 to #54 - JoshBauer
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Telling kids guns are bad is essentially the same thing as telling kids a certain religion is bad. Guns aren't against the law, so for a teacher to tell a kid that all guns are bad is just pushing that teacher's political views on a kid. Cars are legal and we teach kids how to drive in school, well how come we don't teach kids about guns in school?
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#487 to #482 - JoshBauer
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I'm prepared to be thumbed down since it seems like all the liberals are on FJ today. I swear FJ changes it's political views every day.
#105 to #54 - sneman
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Isn't comparing guns and sex a bit of a stretch? The urge to have sex is a primal human mechanism and teaching that abstinence is the only way is absolutely ridiculous.

Furthermore the result of safe sex is good times. Proper use of a gun still result in people getting shot.

"Oh no! my House is getting robbed! So the burglar obviously deserve to die!" Some would find this to be justice, personally i think it is grotesque, but this is a matter of opinion of course. The real problem is that burglars are people too and fear for their lives. If they break into a house and they know that the occupants might shoot them there would be a greater chance of the burglars bringing guns them selves and a greater chance they will use them.

I would rather be threatened with a knife or a gun rather than being shot on sight by a terrified burglar.

To summarize the point of my rambling: Guns are not necessary for civilians and will in many cases endanger rather than protect us. Violence breeds violence. Therefore i belive that teaching not to use guns (and banning them) rather than teaching how to use them is the best way to ensure the safety of the general puplic.

If you live in a society where people can't live without owning a gun, then i definitely agree that people should be educated in the safest use of them.
#45 to #44 - SenorButtPlug
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#42 - phanact
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I don't care about politics

I don't know enough about either side of the argument to make an educated decision

I also don't care enough to educate myself on the topic
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#38 to #37 - buttpuncher
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You been punchin buttholes, boy?
#15 - anon
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The average age of the US soldier in Vietnam was 19. according to Paul Hardcastle anyway
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#11 - sgtstacke
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i love how a 17-year-old (with proper consent from a guardian) can legally go die for his country, four years before he's allowed to have a damn beer. America really shows its priorities.
#616 to #11 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account**
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That is actually the exact reason they lowered the drinking age over here.
#609 to #11 - pokemonstheshiz
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With a military license you can buy beer at 18. most 17 year olds aren't allowed in the army without special permission
#632 to #609 - sgtstacke
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the legal drinking age is 21 in nearly every state. and i said 17 with proper consent from a guardian
#606 to #11 - revanthewin
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You can be trained to use any type of firearm at the age of 17, and go out into war and use them, but if you come back to the States you aren't allowed to carry one.
#572 to #11 - mahnamesjakers
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I'm not saying that you're wrong because I think it's ridiculous too, but technically if we're talking about priorities then that means America is showing that they care more about defending our country than letting people get drunk.
#553 to #11 - Deavas ONLINE
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you can drink beer if under 21 if you are enlisted and on base
#516 to #11 - anon
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18 year old marines can legally drink at base parties
#268 to #11 - fredthemilkman
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I think Nixon lowered the age to 18 near the end of the Vietnam war. He figured they were gonna get drunk anyways.

It led to alot of drunks apparently, so they raised the age again.
#195 to #11 - anon
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exactly. I hate it. you can literally be in a warzone here grenades are catapaulted towards you and risk having your brains literally blown out before you can legally drink a can of beer. i think once you are 18 you should be responsible enough to drink! just make the dwi laws harsher. you can smoke at 18 also.
#89 to #11 - graydiggy
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That is actually incorrect. At 17 any civilian with proper consent can enlist and go to training. They will not be sent to their first duty station or to war until after 18.
#46 to #11 - lpplph
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Also if you're active duty military, you can drink alcohol (to an extent of course) if you're under aged
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#65 to #55 - commontroll
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My friend who was in the Navy a year ago said on base you can drink. And most places are willing to overlook the law for military members.
#162 to #65 - sgtstacke
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just because people overlook the law doesn't mean it isn't a law. I did not address any variables
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#69 to #66 - commontroll
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And what was you MOS, contract length, etc?
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#167 to #74 - commontroll
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Nice. One of the cooler jobs out there if you ask me.
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#172 to #170 - commontroll
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I agree, sounds really awesome.
#337 to #172 - mulciber
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Why the hell can't most military discussions be as civil as this little chain here?
#621 to #337 - commontroll
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Because this is the internet, and we love being raging dickholes here.
#68 to #66 - commontroll
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Yeah, it probably varies branch to branch, but I remember he was telling me that was one of the benefits of the Navy.
#6 - failtolawl
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seeing as 19 year olds in the military are better disciplined and well trained than some thug on the street., I don't see the problem.
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#39 to #7 - failtolawl
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yes. that is EXACTLY what I am saying.
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#3 - deadmuerto
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because 19yr old soldiers are out there in our streets with no supervision...
#25 to #3 - nightstar
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Why in the world should a 19 year old need supervision? 19 year olds are adults.
#2 - rmoran
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Military training for all gun owners?
Not sure if that'll make things better or extremely worse.
#1 - luiselvergas
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****** A
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#5 to #1 - udo
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****** B
#40 to #5 - defacedcreeper
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****** charlie
#10 to #5 - djchurro
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well played
well played