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User avatar #313 - ninjaspartan (12/10/2012) [-]
Someone please enlighten me as to why people keep saying that Christmas was a Pagan holiday. The tradition of receiving presents from Saint Nicholas once a year and celebrating Christ's birth originally belonged to ancient roman polytheists??? Wat?
#317 to #313 - figosound (12/10/2012) [-]
Google "sun gods", and learn how "Christmas" is only the last name of a very ancient holyday :)
User avatar #321 to #317 - ninjaspartan (12/10/2012) [-]
So we're actually celebrating the birth of the Sun God?

And I still don't know where St. Nick comes in to all of this.
#319 to #313 - evigvinter (12/10/2012) [-]
the idea of a bearded man giving presents to good behaving people and punishing the bad derives from odin doing just that (only that he rode on sleipnir's back, not in a sleigh)
User avatar #307 - TarnRazor (12/10/2012) [-]
You wouldn't see somebody telling a Jew to put out the candles on their Menorah or to get rid of their yamaka. Why is it always an attack on Christians?
#306 - ohcrap (12/10/2012) [-]
MFW everyone in the comments.

Seriously, we get it. Go find something new about our religion to complain about.
User avatar #252 - xXCorpitoXx (12/10/2012) [-]
I find it kinda funny that Atheist will argue to the death that God isn't real
but will gladly Celebrate his son's birthday to get presents and ****
#276 to #252 - xmattx ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
Christmas day was stolen from the pagans by the Christians. It was originally Saturnalia, a pagan festival. Even the act of decorating trees was taken from the pagans. Biblical scholars place Jesus' birth (assuming he even existed) sometime in the spring, so even you aren't celebrating it for Jesus' birthday, rather just following tradition as well.

Matthew 7:1 - "Do not judge, or you too will be judged." NIV
#301 to #276 - anon (12/10/2012) [-]
It's pretty widely accepted that Jesus existed...the controversy comes from whether He was the messiah or not
#304 to #301 - xmattx ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
this affects my point how?
#265 to #252 - whymewhy (12/10/2012) [-]
saying gimme free **** is hardly celebrating christs birth regardless of what day they want the free **** .
User avatar #251 - breadstickez (12/10/2012) [-]
Wait is the tree in his house? If it's in his house I don't care if he has mutilated doll heads hanging from it, it's his choice. Even if its outside on his property, everyone has a right to express their religion. I'm not religious but if I want a god damn nativity scene I'll put up a god damn nativity scene. If the tree was on the front lawn and had a sign around it that was like "CONVERT OR YOUR FIRST BORN SHALL BE BURNED ON YOUR OWN MENORAH" then I see the issue, but something as simple as a tree is no ones god damn business.
#223 - bdowns (12/10/2012) [-]
**bdowns rolled a random image posted in comment #4 at I cannot cope with this laughter ** I have to say happy holidays at work
User avatar #220 - ixcarnifexxi (12/10/2012) [-]
The worst is wishing someone "Merry Christmas" cause if they don't celebrate it; you'll get **** . I mean, why take offence when someone wishes you a merry Christmas? "Here, wish you a good time on this one ******* day of the year." If a Jewish person wished me a happy Hanukkah, I wouldn't get pissed I'd simply say "I don't celebrate it, but thank you anyway". Why do people get so worked up if you wish them a ************************************* ?
User avatar #228 to #220 - kureizikitsune (12/10/2012) [-]
It is because those same stupid assholes do not understand the concept of wishing someone well simply for the sake of being nice. I personally do not celebrate Christmas because I am Shinto. However, if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, I wish them one right back. Why? Because, they were being nice. No reason I should not do the same.
User avatar #254 to #220 - breadstickez (12/10/2012) [-]
I hate that. Wish me a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Joyous Kwanzaa, or just a simple Happy Holidays. I will appreciate you going out of your way to say something nice to me. Because I celebrate Christmas I wish most people a Merry Christmas, unless I know otherwise. It doesn't matter if you don't practice the religion, its just a kind wish on your behalf.
User avatar #258 to #254 - ixcarnifexxi (12/10/2012) [-]
I work at Whole Foods (not sure if you're aware of it) but we are FORCED to wish people Happy Holidays. I mean, I live in Canada, so it seems expected to say Happy Holidays ( ************* for multi culturalism...) but if I wish someone a Merry Christmas, and I wish it to the wrong person; I can lose my job.
User avatar #259 to #258 - breadstickez (12/10/2012) [-]
That's completely ridiculous.
User avatar #172 - klick ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
Fun Fact! Christmas isn't the only holiday that uses a pine tree to celebrate. In fact this tradition was first used by the pagans. But it is is the only religion to put a star on top.
#147 - einhetvin (12/10/2012) [-]
Well I think the point that people actually make is when Christmas or Christmas things are displayed or celebrated by or in public institutions. This is because the State is supposed to be secular and they do tend to celebrate Christmas and other things such as the pledge of allegiance, where you're supposed to say "Under God" or something (I'm not American) thats also imposing a religion on those kids when they don't believe in it. These people don't have a problem with the Christmas tree but with the State representing one religion as the norm. And since you cant represent all religions (or non-religions) equally throughout the country, the State shouldn't do this with just one, but with none. Imagine the US was an Atheist Country, and Christianity is now on the rise, so the invert or what is really going on, but the State would still claim to be secular, as they do today. If you were one of these Christians, wouldn't you be offended if the State preferred one specific religion or belief over the rest? And to have countless hints and celebratory symbols and speech about this religion in things where you and your kids seek a secular equality. Christians wouldn't like that very much. If Christians just put themselves in an Atheists shoes, and understand what they think, I think we would have a lot less Christians and a lot more Atheists.
#75 - eyeballfrog (12/10/2012) [-]
A truly inspired treatise on the impact of religious symbolism, OP, but you seem to have forgotten something important.
A truly inspired treatise on the impact of religious symbolism, OP, but you seem to have forgotten something important.
#65 - Tyranitar ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
Ironic that America, a country founded for the purpose of religious freedom, has some of the most intolerant people on the planet. I'm not an openly religious person, but if I choose to celebrate Christmas, put up Christmas decorations, say Merry Christmas to people, or say something about God or Jesus and the Cosby Kids in public, I feel I shouldn't have to be stopped because a Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. or even an Atheist, feels offended when they hear about beliefs besides their own.
User avatar #67 to #65 - Tyranitar ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
While I'm on the subject, do Atheists getting offended by someone saying "Happy Holidays" since they don't really have any holidays in December? (besides the consumerism version of Christmas)
User avatar #96 to #67 - cullenatorguy (12/10/2012) [-]
Nope, I'm atheist and I say "Merry Christmas" to people. It's the Christmas season, I say what's appropriate to the season.
User avatar #72 to #67 - freddyhollensen (12/10/2012) [-]
I've already posted somewhat about this, but as I said, in Scandinavia and probably most of Europe, Christmas is a secular tradition, saying happy holidays is appropriate.

I can't help you on america though, I want to say fellow atheists are annoying when butthurt, but then I remember 41% of the american population believe the earth is 6.000 years old.

I don't know... I'd just wish people would find reason.
User avatar #38 - bounod (12/10/2012) [-]
Tree is a religious icon? I guess Santa Claus is also religious icon since some kids believe in it.

User avatar #45 to #38 - killthebilly (12/10/2012) [-]
thought for a moment you said "ALL HAIL SATAN!" at the bottom.. oh god i would have loved if you made that typo...
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User avatar #37 - rel (12/10/2012) [-]
My father is Jewish and my mother calls herself a "recovering Catholic." I grew up as a Christian, technically - I used to go to church. I celebrate Christmas more for the idea of togetherness with family and giving to each other rather than the religious aspect.
As for religion, I'm apatheistic. It's very similar to agnostic/atheist, saying that "I don't know if there's a God," but it also says that "I don't care to know." I live my life without religion, and I base my morals without religious beliefs, which is something I've heard people say can't be done. Well, I'm doing it and I've been doing it for years.
Happy holidays, everyone.
#44 to #37 - musclemarinade (12/10/2012) [-]
If you were raised in even a somewhat religious family, your moral structure has been influenced by them (You might not directly base it on Religion, but you can't deny they still played a part the forming of your ideals).    
Anyways, here is a gif of a cat.
If you were raised in even a somewhat religious family, your moral structure has been influenced by them (You might not directly base it on Religion, but you can't deny they still played a part the forming of your ideals).

Anyways, here is a gif of a cat.
User avatar #60 to #44 - trevorbelmont (12/10/2012) [-]
that gif gave me FEELS.
User avatar #15 - nucularwar (12/10/2012) [-]
Do people even get offended by Christmas? Where is all this coming from?
User avatar #17 to #15 - pebar [OP](12/10/2012) [-]
It comes from politically correct douchebags.
Especially in stores or state funded organizations, people will say happy holidays instead of marry christmas (which i'm fine with). Public christmas trees are being asked to be removed from state buildings because people don't want tax payer money going toward a religion.
Which in my opinion is ******** . A giant christmas tree outside a public building would increase moral and productivity. A great use of tax payer money.
User avatar #23 to #17 - nucularwar (12/10/2012) [-]
I agree with that, I'm not religious but still like the Christmas tree and say Merry Christmas. It's an overall expression of goodwill.
#6 - mrloki (12/10/2012) [-]
**mrloki rolled a random image posted in comment #319 at I would like a president like this ** man, isn't christimas a pagan festival ? I mean, yeah somehow ppl came up with the idea that jesus was born on 25 of december (wich is stupid) but... it was a festival with gifts and stuff before the religious thingy got attached.

I'm not a christian, but I celebrate christimas !
User avatar #7 to #6 - pebar [OP](12/10/2012) [-]
Christmas was moved to December to coincide with the Roman festival of Saturnalia so the early Christians wouldn't be persecuted for celebrating. But you are right; Jesus wasn't really born in December.
#8 to #7 - mrloki (12/10/2012) [-]
**mrloki rolled a random image posted in comment #1935276 at MLP Brony Board ** that's it ! a cooler festival to another valid god, saturn !
#308 - anon (12/10/2012) [-]
only in america,I don't fukin get you americans,everything is offensive over there, ****** everything,your society really sucks,things that are granted in other parts of the world seem special to you,
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#209 - mrcristal (12/10/2012) [-]
i'm not a christian but i love christmas, it's a time for stay with my family and have peace at least once a year..... also gifts.... a lot of gifts
#49 - datguypauls (12/10/2012) [-]
ok really, at least in America, it does shout that. but the whole thing about the girl being intolerant is true. he has a right to practice religion
what I think America dreams of promoting is no single one religion, but all religions fairly and equally. this means people of each religion (Christianity is a religion too) has the right to practice their practices (to a certain extent of course. no killing others or something like that)
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#56 to #53 - datguypauls (12/10/2012) [-]
i said within limits
so you're trying to say that people don't have a right to practice their religion? i'm not saying they should have that right, i'm just saying that, ideally, there's equality between religions
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