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User avatar #137 - warrenzthehero (12/10/2012) [-]
Please please please don't think that all atheists are like yon derpette. I'm fine with your religion, just don't try to convert me. Every atheist I know of feels the same way.
I want to make this known.
#168 to #137 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2012) [-]
Nice attempt at a reasonable argument
#144 to #137 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2012) [-]
no, most atheists make it their job to shove anti religious hate propaganda down any spiritual persons throat, and also talk about the lack of existence of god, evidence of god, and just being all around cunt nuggets to everyone who has any sort of religious beliefs. most ahteists claim all they want is for religion to not get forced on them, and then turn around and preach that nobody should be religious and everyone needs to be an atheist, just like them.
User avatar #269 to #144 - warrenzthehero (12/10/2012) [-]
No no no. You misunderstand, my dear, hateful/ed anon.
See, most Atheists do see Religion as an overall negative thing. However, we don't shove atheism down the throats of others. We educate them. We explain our belief system. Personally, I usually only explain to those who ask.
There are some who explain it... aggressively.
However, even those that don't actively go out to "destroy religion" seem to be attacking it, because of how sound and concise their arguments can be. You will always feel attacked when your ideas and beliefs are being explained away and every one of your arguments falls to superior reason.
#214 to #144 - soylentchartreuse (12/10/2012) [-]
I would like to make a clarification. An atheist is one who does no believe in any religion. An Antitheist is one who hates all religions and sees them as a cancer on society. However an Antitheist will call themselves an atheist simply because they see no difference. There are many types of atheist in the world. Gnostic, agnostic, implicit, explicit, broad, unfriendly, indifferent, etc. Each type has its own little quirks.
#129 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2012) [-]
yeah and only chistians get offended by people that dont celebrate christmassXD
#128 - freeq (12/10/2012) [-]
If you think that your country is intolerant then come to Sweden. There's a discussion going on about not letting people dress up as gingerbread men because it might be offensive against black people... yeah
If you think that your country is intolerant then come to Sweden. There's a discussion going on about not letting people dress up as gingerbread men because it might be offensive against black people... yeah
User avatar #264 to #128 - lasmamoe (12/10/2012) [-]
Or maybe you just oversimplified the situation to make it seem like black people are unreasonable.
User avatar #133 to #128 - pinkythepie (12/10/2012) [-]
dumme svensker
User avatar #134 to #133 - freeq (12/10/2012) [-]
Sverige bryr sig för mycket om minoriteter <.<
User avatar #135 to #134 - pinkythepie (12/10/2012) [-]
Eh, alle land gjør vell egentlig det.
Kan ikke folk bare slute å klage over alt =/
User avatar #140 to #135 - Chuggaaconroy (12/10/2012) [-]
i have no idea what the **** is going on so im just going to thumb your comments up because one of you might have said something funny in swedish
User avatar #148 to #140 - pinkythepie (12/10/2012) [-]
Me: "Silly swedish"
Him: "Sweden cares too much about minorities"
Me: "Eh, don't all countries do? Can't people just stop whining about everything"
#125 - clownsplosion (12/10/2012) [-]
Fact: Christmas trees were first used by peasants as an offering to Santa Claus in the hopes he would not kidnap their children to be used as elf laborers.
#139 to #125 - mysticalblue (12/10/2012) [-]
And now we hang them up in fear that Santa will one day strike and take our children away
#124 - sniffalot (12/10/2012) [-]
Where the **** , and why the **** does anyone care about who celebrates Christmas or Hanukah or whatever the **** ?

This is taking it too far, pretentious douche bags..

(Pic related and found on this very front page)
User avatar #212 to #124 - teranin ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
<~~~I'm the one who posted it
User avatar #250 to #212 - sniffalot (12/10/2012) [-]
And it was funny :3
User avatar #120 - Maroon (12/10/2012) [-]
I find this hilarious because the exact opposite happens to me all the time.
#119 - ludislavonac ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
If anyone is interested let me tell you the story of the christmas tree. On the 25th december in 800 A.D Charles the Great (aka Charlemagne) was crowned emperor in the basilica of st. Peter in Rome, large trees were brought into the basilica itself. They were decorated with gold and silver to honor the coronation... That is where the tradition of decorating a tree at christmas began.
User avatar #127 to #119 - AngryPlatypus (12/10/2012) [-]
Well, if you wanna go all the way back to the origin, it was actually used by ancient pagans to celebrate the winter solstice. Evergreens have always represented purity and life, and were thought to keep evil spirits away, too.
User avatar #141 to #127 - Chuggaaconroy (12/10/2012) [-]
**** YEAH HISTORY
User avatar #142 to #141 - AngryPlatypus (12/10/2012) [-]
Hell yeah *****
User avatar #126 to #119 - ilya (12/10/2012) [-]
cool!
#116 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2012) [-]
All hail our great creator, the bringer of peace and justice, the one that makes everyone see the light.
Santa, may you live forever
#115 - pinacular (12/10/2012) [-]
The comic muddies the waters. It isn't about being offended by other peoples beliefs it's about equal representation. A Christmas tree in a person's house is one thing, but in public it's entirely another.

If any willing theists' religious symbols are denied in place of the Christmas tree then it constitutes religious inequality. Do you think that if your city was asked to put up [insert religion]'s symbols equally alongside Christian ones that that would fly?

The only way to have a Christmas tree in public and not constitute religious inequality is to either; be of a community that has a relevant total religious solidarity (and a government that isn't supposed to favor one religion over another, like the U.S. government) OR allow all other religions, that want their symbols shown, to be shown in public with equal standing to the Christmas tree.

A third option is to not show any religious symbols in public at all. But I'd assume that all religions would rather share space than be banned completely, even for the sake of equality.

It isn't about some silly bitch being offended at the public display of a different belief than her's, that couldn't be further from the truth. It's about equal representation, the act of being equal to all beliefs no matter how small the percent of the population that holds them.
User avatar #117 to #115 - akg **User deleted account** (12/10/2012) [-]
Except that it isn't just christian symbols, it's a part of our culture. Norway is one of the less religious societies, but everyone uses and relates to these things. It's a part of the western christmas celebration. I don't give a **** when the muslims have Ramadan as an example, because it's a part of their beliefs and culture. I respect them, and as we're in a country with freedom of religion and speech, they sure as hell should respect our traditions.

/rant
#121 to #117 - pinacular (12/10/2012) [-]
It doesn't matter that it's part of our culture, it's still tied to a religion and the fact it isn't shown along side other symbols means there's unequal favoritism going on.

Not that I'm granting the premise that the tree is part of every American's culture, I doubt that very much. The people whose cultures do include the tree don't do so for 100% the same reason, despite the secularization happening to include it with other beliefs it is still immediately tied to a single religion.
User avatar #136 to #121 - akg **User deleted account** (12/10/2012) [-]
What other symbols? The christmas tree wasn't originally a symbol of christianity, it was used in anciest egypt and china. It was originally jewish. But we have adopted it as a part of our culture, noone actually use it to scare away the devil anymore. It's a symbol of christmas, not christianity.

A lot of countries celebrated christmas before they were introduced to christianity. And so what if you consider it a christian holiday, are we to ban all religious celebrations because it might be offensive to others?
#164 to #136 - pinacular (12/10/2012) [-]
Do you really want me to go over every other religions symbol that could be used in place of the tree? Really?

Does it matter what it was originally used for? What matters is it's context to our society.

You don't think Christmas is explicitly tied to Christianity? You're going to have to explain that one to me. Also, just because Christmas can be celebrated by non-Christians doesn't mean it's not meant to be a religious celebration (what it means is that it's slowly becoming a secular celebration, every religious holiday does this over time). I have a Christian friend who will defend Christmas to the death over that single point.

Again, it isn't about offense it's about being fair to all religious beliefs. If you care about equality you should want other religions symbols represented alongside the Christmas tree. What should be done is a toning down of PUBLIC displays of Christmas decor so that other symbols can have their fair placing as well. No one should want the banning of Christmas, that's completely the wrong thing to do.
User avatar #192 to #164 - akg **User deleted account** (12/10/2012) [-]
What symbols do you want next to the christian ones? Other religions doesn't celebrate christmas.
#199 to #192 - pinacular (12/10/2012) [-]
Christmas isn't the only holiday in December.
User avatar #202 to #199 - akg **User deleted account** (12/10/2012) [-]
So what? We're talking about christmas here.
#326 to #202 - pinacular (12/10/2012) [-]
Is that really what you think I've been talking about?
User avatar #327 to #326 - akg **User deleted account** (12/10/2012) [-]
Then what the hell are you talking about? We've been talking about the christmas tree in all the posts so far, and I cant really see another holiday or religion related to that..
User avatar #114 - angelmaycry ONLINE (12/10/2012) [-]
Beliver or not, Xmas is Xmas... It's not about the faith, but about the message of peace and joy...Like the "pagan's" celebrations that exisisted before Xmas...
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#118 to #111 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2012) [-]
***** you is too late
#110 - cheesymondo (12/10/2012) [-]
Christmas trees are Christmas trees. Nothing Christian about them. Only thing Christian about this secular holiday is that fairy tale **** about a kid not born of a virgin (mistranslated) who was born in a stable at the same time as being born in a house who was visited by an unknown amount of magi or shepards who then went home and to Egypt at the same time.
#132 to #110 - cheesymondo (12/10/2012) [-]
That's right, tumb down facts (Y)
#109 - Just Another Guy (12/10/2012) [-]
I'm totally atheist, I also love having a big xmas tree and wasn't too happy when we got a really small one last year, didn't feel as much like xmas :p
I'm totally atheist, I also love having a big xmas tree and wasn't too happy when we got a really small one last year, didn't feel as much like xmas :p
#108 - thederpestest (12/10/2012) [-]
Give that 						************					 a present and she'll accept christmas.
Give that ************ a present and she'll accept christmas.
#107 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2012) [-]
BUut if Christmas is not originated from Christianity but rather a pagan religion/ceremony, why would atheists still celebrate it? Why? Why? Because, let say, if a Christian fellow inviting the atheist friend to come to church, not to participate but rather as a guest, then it will be called as imposing our believe unto yours. Let say, if a religious person saying "God exists and you are going to hell.", it will be called as imposing our believe unto yours, but at the same time you celebrated a pagan/extinct religion's ceremonies or in other words, other people's believe/faith. My words actually if you don't believe in faith, do not celebrate it, christmas, easter, whatever it is as long as it still related to other's faith including the extinct.
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#103 - erikwarmblood (12/10/2012) [-]
mfw &quot;christmas tree&quot; is a christian symbol
mfw "christmas tree" is a christian symbol
User avatar #102 - jibb (12/10/2012) [-]
Christmas trees have their origin in Germany and other Norse countries, where they actually sacrificed people by hanging them by the branches. They also made a wooden phallus-shaped figure which they dripped goat-blood on.

I am not even joking.
#112 to #102 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2012) [-]
No christmas trees originated in Germany in the 19th century as a part of the national romantic wave. They are a christian symbol, representing the tree of life. It's true that the germanic countries had trees where they hung people and animals as sacrifices during the iron age, but it does not have anything to do with the modern christmas tree.
#113 to #112 - Womens Study Major (12/10/2012) [-]
then explain a yule tree asshat
#101 - deltaxomega (12/10/2012) [-]
To deal with stupidity like this you must baffle the stupid people. My favorite way is to tell them that i'm and atheist and that the "Christmas tree" is a Pagan traditions that was stolen by the Christian church. This usually gives me enough time to get away before they can figure out what I just said.
User avatar #94 - cullenatorguy (12/10/2012) [-]
Well where is the tree? If it's in his house, **** the chick; if it's in a public office, **** OP.
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