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#150 - herpaherp (11/26/2012) [-]
hey **** you op that man was a hero
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User avatar #177 to #147 - therandomrevewguy (11/26/2012) [-]
still a good reminder of how amazing this one guy is....was.
User avatar #143 - ixcarnifexxi (11/26/2012) [-]
I'd still say to hit it with a hammer and pray that your hand don't get blown to bits.
#160 to #143 - johnshepherd (11/26/2012) [-]
How about this: pray that only your hand gets blown to bits.
User avatar #182 to #160 - lemonsixx (11/26/2012) [-]
How bout this: don't pray. it won't do anything.
#199 to #182 - johnshepherd (11/26/2012) [-]
How about this: don't be obnoxious about your beliefs.
#222 to #199 - lemonsixx (11/27/2012) [-]
how bout this: ill stop being an "obnoxious" atheist when my freedom of speech is taken, religion is gone or the minority, or when people stop being obnoxious about their religion. k thanks.
#292 to #222 - johnshepherd (11/27/2012) [-]
So, you hate religion because of what? Also, you were the one being obnoxious, if I was being an asshole about my religion, you could be an asshole back about your atheism, but I wasn't and you were. I'm not saying hide in a broom closet and pretend you aren't an atheist, I'm just saying you could try to be a little less of an asshole about it.
#294 to #292 - lemonsixx (11/27/2012) [-]
i never said YOU were. but this is the internet. so youre a faggot, **** you.
#297 to #294 - johnshepherd (11/27/2012) [-]
I never said that was your reason for doing it. I was pointing out that you didn't have a reason, and wondering why you did. Obviously something has caused a deep seeded anger against religious folks. May I ask what?
User avatar #298 to #297 - lemonsixx (11/27/2012) [-]
well theres two reasons:
1. im forced to conceal my atheism at home, have to lead my family in grace before dinner, and pretend like miracles and jesus are the reason for every good thing in the world, but none of the bad things are gods will.
2. the rejection of scientific and historical evidence that borderline disproves the existence of, not god, but any other religious entity bitterly frustrates me. why would anyone submit to the logic of desert crawling star gazers when modern science shows us the real happenings of the universe, which are far more dazzling and awe inspiring than any "poof, god did it" fabrication.
#312 to #298 - johnshepherd (11/27/2012) [-]
I am very sorry that you feel the need to conceal your atheism. I assume for fear of persecution? You may want to remind your family that it's best to "preach the gospel at all times, and use words when necessary."

I know of very little that the catholic church has done that goes against science, and before you try evolution/big bang, you should know that the church throws her full support to those ideas as perfectly legitimate in conjunction with God. Basically, we see science as the how and religion as the who. Frankly, I love the sciences precisely because it does produce awe when you realize the intricate complexity of creation.
User avatar #315 to #312 - lemonsixx (11/27/2012) [-]
i know full well of the catholic church's advancement and support of some science. but what absolutely baffles me is that no one seems to want to realize that the church also caused a dark age of science in which little or no advances were made. if there was no religion, that wouldnt have happened. if there was no religion then none of the major wars in history would have happened or at least not been as devastating. god is a symbol of creation that humans made when we couldnt fathom the workings of the universe. now we can. but that symbol stays around, blinding people. causing people to hate people. a symbol is only a symbol and will never, can never, be what it symbolizes. an idea. the moment the universe began to exist (which there probably isnt ONE moment that the universe went from nothing to something, but it has most likely always been; existing in a state of eternal contraction and expansion. once the world realizes that all religion was, was supposed to be, is, and failed to be just a moral guide line and merely the original thought of how the world and universe, man and beast, sea and sky works, and work together in unison, we'll finally be free. we will finally be at peace. we will finally be able to expand further, evolve further, and all man will finally love one another and accept each other as their brethren and as their equal.
#316 to #315 - johnshepherd (11/27/2012) [-]
You have an interesting view here, sixx. Just to address the dark ages point: that's a common misconception. The dark ages came about at the fall of the Roman Empire, which had controlled most of Europe, portions of Africa and had been a major trade partner for the orient. When the empire collapsed, the loss of infrastructure led to widespread chaos. Monasteries actually preserved a great portion of texts, literary and historical, from the previous ages that helped accelerate culture after the end of the dark ages.

To address your view on religion being a creation of man which causes hate: some do misuse the Church, some other religions, for their own purpose, but that does not speak to the view as a whole, just that some people can abuse it. It's like science in that respect: neither is evil, but both can be used to accomplish evil if properly manipulated or misconstrued.

You feel that religion fails as a moral guide, may I ask how? Catholicism, at least, believes in love for all people, even your most hated enemy. You also have an interesting view on the universe: you feel that it has been around for all time, and you certainly don't believe in God, how is that any more logical than believing that God existed for all time and made the universe?

You say that we will be "free" and "at peace" once religion is abolished, how does that work, exactly? May I ask you how religion brings about bondage and war/internal conflict? I do agree that some religions are religions of war, but I am talking about Christianity, since that seems to be an experience we have in common, but have different views on.
User avatar #319 to #316 - lemonsixx (11/28/2012) [-]
catholics and love? normally this is a nice set up for a pedophile priest joke, but ill avoid it. the catholic church had efforts to hinder the spreading literacy of man so that no one could freely interpret the bible; this was due to their use of religious power to extort, blackmail, and tax church goers. then they set out on the crusades to wipe out muslims to reclaim the holy land. and by failing as a moral guide, i meant it failed as being only a moral guide, and not a literal interpretation of how the universe works. and yes, it is much more logical and easier to believe the universe has always been, has always banged outwards from a dense ball due to the heating of particles being forced into each other causing friction and heat until enough energy is produced to cause the big bang explosion, then when all of the energy (which is pretty limited in existence) is used and converted to an unusable cold energy, it contracts back together, only to heat up, expand out, cool down, contract, heat up again, and on and on infinitely. there likely was no start, there likely is no end. and about religion and war.. youre kidding about how are they connected, right? the crusades, the forced conversion of native americans and meso-americans, the holocaust was a religious feat that was done in the name of god, israel and irans' conflicts are religious, and so on. and even if religion does preach "love everyone" no one does it. what is really taught, maybe through no fault of the religion itself but of its leaders and followers, is to love those who think the same way. when people start to see religion as an idea of how to be a good person, rather than an absolute guideline for life, death, the beginning, and the end, ill accept its merit in todays world.
#320 to #319 - johnshepherd (11/28/2012) [-]
Am I correct in assuming that, by the prevention of free interpretation of the Bible, you are referring to keeping the language in Latin? If so, it's an interesting point. With regards to the language, I've studied it for four or five years, and I can tell you that, whenever you translate out of Latin, a great deal of the meaning is lost in the process, especially when you translate into something as simplistic as English.

Regarding the Crusades, this is another common misconception: the Crusades weren't quite so unprovoked as most people seem to believe. For over a hundred years, the territories in question were being systematically attacked by Moslem forces, and many non-moslems were made into slaves as a part of conversion, or subjected to heavy taxes until they converted. Furthermore, travelers to Jerusalem, both religious and non-religious, were raided frequently en route. The Crusades were a reaction, not an act of aggression.

About the forced conversion, are you talking about the inquisition? I'm assuming that you are, but correct me if I am wrong. They are a very interesting topic, but they do require a little background. The Church did consider it wrong to spread Heresy, and other such things, but the Church did not punish anyone for it, rather, they were handed over to a local government for prosecution by them, according to their laws. True, torture was common, but it was actually more common as a means of punishment before the rise of the Church, which began to push for extreme limitations on it's use.

The holocaust? Really? This was not a religious feat. It was a politically-purposed act against a minority that was already hated within Germany. They were an easy target and used as a red herring to distract from problems with the economy and the war effort.

You are differentiating between guidelines for life and how to be a good person. Can you explain how you see them as different?
User avatar #321 to #320 - lemonsixx (11/28/2012) [-]
All of the things you said were still in the name of and caused by religion. And no, I wasn't referring to the latin bible. The only people that were taught to read attended monasteries for education. the church was able to chose who got to read. It really is as simple as that.
#322 to #321 - johnshepherd (11/28/2012) [-]
Perhaps I was not clear enough; I tend to get a little long-winded.

The Church taught people to read, and you criticize them because not everybody knew how?

The crusades were a civic endeavor every bit as much as a religious one.

The inquisition was due to an abuse by a government, not a religious group.

The holocaust wasn't even remotely religious in nature.
User avatar #323 to #322 - lemonsixx (11/28/2012) [-]
The church was the governing power and should have made their people literate.

The crusades may have been civic, but it was still a very religious matter.

The church ordered the spread of their religion to the natives, whom they referred to as "savages" and no one stood up for them to say, hey no dont force them like THAT to believe what we believe.

And yes. It was. How can the attempted eradication of a religion not be over religion?
#324 to #323 - johnshepherd (11/28/2012) [-]
The Church was not the governing power, the local governments, like the Roman Empire, were the governing powers. The Church was a moral authority, but its power over government was negligible, much like that of modern-day special-interest groups.

Saying "it was civic, but a very religious matter" and saying it was the fault of religion is illogical. The religious matter was not the entire reason, it was only a small part compared to over a century of attacks and land-snatches by the Islamic empires.

The church encouraged conversion, yes. Torture? No. The Inquisition was state-sponsored, not authorized and not supported by the Church. The idea of conversion was encouraged, but torture is something that the Church condemns.

Allow me to re-phrase my response for further clarity: the holocaust was not caused by religious fervor, rather, it was caused simply by the coincidence that Jews were the most disliked minority at the time, primarily because they tended towards high-income jobs like banking, at least in Germany. It is irrelevant to this discussion because they were targeted, not by virtue of religion, but by virtue of being a hated group, if it was, let's say, black people that were hated, they would have been the group subjected to the holocaust.
#152 to #143 - evantheboss (11/26/2012) [-]
I think more than your hand would be blown to bits
#138 - raidaltamimi (11/26/2012) [-]
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#132 - Rascal (11/26/2012) [-]
apogliks 4 bad engos h
wher wer u when op was kill
i was on toilet
mom cam in
"get outt mom im poo"
"son op is died"
and u??????????
#148 to #132 - Rascal (11/26/2012) [-]
john is kill

User avatar #157 to #136 - hentailovers (11/26/2012) [-]
that is ******* epic, source?
User avatar #158 to #157 - godoftheanons (11/26/2012) [-]
Spartacus (season 2 technically) 2012.
User avatar #161 to #158 - hentailovers (11/26/2012) [-]
ok, thanks
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User avatar #167 to #165 - hentailovers (11/26/2012) [-]
lol ok
#128 - ofc (11/26/2012) [-]
Old /b/ thread posted here a long time ago.   
It's a /b/ thread so you know, nobody cares if it's a repost I mean we're reposting stuff we took from /b/.
Old /b/ thread posted here a long time ago.

It's a /b/ thread so you know, nobody cares if it's a repost I mean we're reposting stuff we took from /b/.
#127 - theannoyingFJguy (11/26/2012) [-]
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This is a massive repost, sorry OP, I've simply seen it too many times to deserve a thumb again.
<Have this too, guys
User avatar #188 to #127 - benthererapedthat (11/26/2012) [-]
Wait so this op actually died? I need more proof give me a link to the story
#171 to #127 - spleed (11/26/2012) [-]
I don't speak that.
I don't speak that.
#156 to #127 - Rascal (11/26/2012) [-]
User avatar #172 to #156 - toxictangerine (11/26/2012) [-]
The title says, "Kid dies after exploding a grenade in his bathroom."
User avatar #142 to #127 - edgarskatemetal (11/26/2012) [-]
happened in Guatemala? never expected that....
User avatar #129 to #127 - cyanskater (11/26/2012) [-]
Oh **** , OP died..
User avatar #179 to #129 - bitchpleaseshutup (11/26/2012) [-]
at first i lol'd
next i read your comment
then i serioused the **** up
User avatar #119 - silverpikachu (11/26/2012) [-]
I guess you could say: 4chan had a BLAST with that one...
#192 to #119 - Heaney (11/26/2012) [-]
We could say that yes, but we won't.
#117 - phanact (11/26/2012) [-]
This totally reminded me of Apples policy that if you ran over your iPhone by accient, you could get a new one.

But if even one drop of water got on it, you'd lose your warranty

I dunno...
#118 to #116 - phanact (11/26/2012) [-]
I don't mind em if they're funny.

Who cares if its been here before? So long as it isn't like... posted 12 times in 24hrs, I don't care
User avatar #115 - dildobarbarian (11/26/2012) [-]
probaly just a model he made out to be a real grenade. he just trolled /b/ successfully
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User avatar #114 - buttplugmaster (11/26/2012) [-]
Actually we did hear from OP after that. I was part of that thread, it's archived.
User avatar #109 - abomii (11/26/2012) [-]
such a hero ...
User avatar #111 to #109 - rel (11/26/2012) [-]
*an hero
User avatar #141 to #111 - thebored (11/26/2012) [-]
A N is only added after A when the next word is started by a vowel, you ******* illiterate **** .
#149 to #141 - xheavymetalx (11/26/2012) [-]
An hero is actually a meme used to refer to someone who commited suicide. Calm the **** down.
User avatar #112 to #111 - abomii (11/26/2012) [-]
oops **** , i didnt hit my 'n' my bad
User avatar #123 to #112 - pandachicksbitch (11/26/2012) [-]
No no you're right. The guy is just a failed Grammar Nazi.
User avatar #135 to #123 - themastermorris (11/26/2012) [-]
Someone isn't getting the joke
User avatar #108 - taiyou (11/26/2012) [-]
A repost... but no one gives a **** . :
User avatar #105 - evilanakie (11/26/2012) [-]
oh come on i posted this ages back
it got neg thumbs not amused
but i guess time and place
User avatar #101 - deviousdanish (11/26/2012) [-]
>they said OP was explode
#95 - fukyeahraptorr (11/26/2012) [-]
/b/ clever as usual
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