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#37 - TheEyes ONLINE (07/24/2012) [-]
Take into consideration also that he was a successful neuroscience student. Doesn't matter what color you are, if you are that intelligent, there would have to be some mental illness at play for you to make such rash decisions. Maybe they took his ******* background into consideration before speculating like that. Not everything is about race, you oversensitive piles of **** .

Food for thought.
User avatar #42 to #37 - messerauditore (07/24/2012) [-]
^ This.
#35 - rickmac (07/24/2012) [-]
mfw he claims insanity
#33 - Angallia (07/24/2012) [-]
The guy who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech wasn't white, but he was pinned with mental illness
#345 to #33 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Yeah, but Asians got a **** ton of hate for what he did.

No turned racist when a white guy shot up a theater though.
User avatar #57 to #33 - carlose (07/24/2012) [-]
he probably got a A- and went insane because of that ..
User avatar #31 - cudderforver (07/24/2012) [-]
haha white people
User avatar #29 - kimkve (07/24/2012) [-]
In norway it is terrorism and mental illness... :-/
#32 to #29 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Because there are no black people in Norway.
True story.
User avatar #34 to #32 - akg **User deleted account** (07/24/2012) [-]
********* of muslims though. Everyone blamed the muslims after the bomb in Oslo. Good times.

And ABB hasn't got a mental illness, the second pair of psychologs determined that he was aware of his actions.
#28 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
There was no religious, political, or ideological reason for the shooting as far as I'm concerned, so it can't be terrorism, even if he was an Arab, right?

User avatar #834 to #28 - themanta (07/25/2012) [-]
maybe he wanted control over gotham.
User avatar #27 - fishtacos (07/24/2012) [-]
No. That's all I'm gonna say. No.
User avatar #26 - holyfuckingsatan (07/24/2012) [-]
Does anyone know why he wanted to kill everyone in the theater?
#30 to #26 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
It was said in the news, that after the feds talked to some of his past teachers, as a kid, he always dreamed of being the bad guy and idolised the villains. I don't know why that is, but you can see that he had the idea of doing something like that ever since he was little.
#24 - dickynix (07/24/2012) [-]
Do you remember a certain Trayvon Martin? Adored by the media even though all the facts were blurred? I haven't heard anyone support this guy. They are putting him on trial extremely quickly. If he were black the NAACP would probably claim racism, if he were arab someone would say we are being politically correct.
User avatar #25 to #24 - dickynix (07/24/2012) [-]
*Politically incorrect
#14 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
#11 - Tommovdv (07/24/2012) [-]
******** , murder is murder, doesnt matter what race, age, sex (woman seem to be mentally ill if they commit any crime whatsoever) or religion. Lock him up and put him on contaminated water and stale bread.
User avatar #12 to #11 - Midirr (07/24/2012) [-]
The problem is that the world doesn't work that way.

Consider the following:
Black man kills a white man => Assault with death as the unfortunate consequence.
White man kills a black man => Super hate crime. He must be the devil in human form.

It's just the way the world works I suppose.
#16 to #12 - Tommovdv (07/24/2012) [-]
I know, which is why I think its so ****** up. There are so many people that seem to be able to get away with **** , while others can't. I don't see how they can defend people like that? Mentally ill. Well of course he's ****** up in the head, thats the exact reason why you should lock up someone like that.
User avatar #18 to #16 - Midirr (07/24/2012) [-]
I completely agree with you.
And with lock up, I don't mean the 4-star hotels they're getting in my country, I mean a **** hole with nothing but water and bread.
#20 to #18 - Tommovdv (07/24/2012) [-]
So in your country criminals also get a better life? Here to, they get a comfy bed, 3 meals a day, ******* tv. I mean what the hell, what happened to the striped uniform and the chained ball to the ankles?
User avatar #21 to #20 - Midirr (07/24/2012) [-]
Yes, about the same as what you're describing right now.
But it gets better, they can pay the state for even more perks, like a room for themselves (normally they have to share, 2 prisoners in a room).
I even think some of them can get internet if they pay for it (depends on the crime and mental health of the prisoner).
#22 to #21 - Tommovdv (07/24/2012) [-]
Its so ****** up. If you're homeless, just murder someone and your live improves drastically...They will give you a fair trail, spend hours and thousands of euro's to get your food and health supplies. I'll just let it rest here. I'm not planning on being there anytime soon, but crime is not exactly discouraged if they treat you like this.
User avatar #23 to #22 - Midirr (07/24/2012) [-]
I feel the same way.
See you around.
#9 - TheWordAlive (07/24/2012) [-]
**** this race card ******** killing 12 people is still killing 12 people. murder is murder
#6 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
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#5 - pitsi (07/24/2012) [-]
You dont see many arabs or black people claiming to be "the joker."

Just saying.
#44 to #5 - notafunnyguy (07/24/2012) [-]
he didn't claim to be the joker.   
the media claimed him to be the joker.   
the joker doesn't have red hair and anybody who plans out a massacre and can booby trap his own house, would have maybe done a quick search on if the joker had red hair
he didn't claim to be the joker.
the media claimed him to be the joker.
the joker doesn't have red hair and anybody who plans out a massacre and can booby trap his own house, would have maybe done a quick search on if the joker had red hair
User avatar #332 to #44 - infamoustrapper (07/24/2012) [-]
no...he was quoted as saying "i am the joker". as to why he had red hair....idk maybe hes retarded?
#255 to #44 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
His hair is red because he was imitating the joker when he blew up the hospital.
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#2 - tallestmidget ONLINE (07/24/2012) [-]
damn right

<---- pic related it's him
User avatar #559 to #2 - argonianking (07/24/2012) [-]
So who is gunna tell him the Joker had green hair?
User avatar #17 to #2 - rasputinsbeard (07/24/2012) [-]
that hair
User avatar #1 - cleverguy (07/24/2012) [-]
implying terrorists aren't mentally ill
#930 to #1 - jmahuen (07/25/2012) [-]
>implying thugs go on sensless rampages and dont do the killings for money or power related reasons
User avatar #758 to #1 - benlazdude (07/24/2012) [-]
If brainwash and religion are considered mental illness, then yeah they are.
User avatar #764 to #758 - cleverguy (07/24/2012) [-]
if it makes you want to kill people, then yeah
User avatar #649 to #1 - johnlemon (07/24/2012) [-]
They aren't, they are raised to believe what they are doing is right. People in the KKK are not mentally ill, they just believe that what they are doing is right. Its all about upbringing and a certain lack of self thought.
User avatar #719 to #649 - cleverguy (07/24/2012) [-]
i don't think it is a stretch to say that the way you are brought up can affect your mental health. i think it can be argued that members of the KKK are mentally ill, just as it can be argued that anyone with that mindset is, eg. Hitler. if you are brought up to believe that killing whoever you want is ok, your mental state will be in a form that is unsuitable to live in a society with other people and you can very well be considered mentally ill.
User avatar #618 to #1 - herecomesjohnny (07/24/2012) [-]
so george washington was mentally ill?
User avatar #623 to #618 - cleverguy (07/24/2012) [-]
he did replace his teeth with wood
User avatar #580 to #1 - jarelk (07/24/2012) [-]
I don't think they're mentally ill, just misguided and corrupted from an early age.

Not saying I agree with terrorists or something, it's just way too easy for people to slander people on the opposite side of a conflict. If people took a moment to understand the motives and reasoning (no matter how faulty) behind their ideology, we might be able to come up with some other solution other than "Kill them all and lock up everyone who agrees with them".

No idea why I chose this time to start this debate.
User avatar #633 to #580 - cleverguy (07/24/2012) [-]
there is no real justification for a mindset that tells you to kill people. anyone who thinks that murder is the solution to anything has at least some mental problems. they can't be reasoned with, they believe theirs is the only true solution and it is misguided in the first place especially when it is based off of religious extremism. there is a reason we don't negotiate with terrorists.
User avatar #674 to #633 - jarelk (07/24/2012) [-]
War is murder.

Countries, yes also western countries like USA, England and some others, have gone to war to "solve" this terrorist problem.

Therefore, murder is believed to be a solution. What's your stance on this?

Also it's what I'm trying to say, how misguided it is to truly believe without justification that your side is the right one and that the enemy deserves to die.
User avatar #707 to #674 - cleverguy (07/24/2012) [-]
good point, but i think eradicating terrorists is different from being a terrorists for misguided reasons, religious or otherwise. it's more of a defense policy. i'm not saying war is good or anything, i just think that comparing terrorism to the war against terror is a bit of a strawman argument.

i may have been a little too general in my previous comment, some people deserve to die, but to think that murdering civilians will bring you personal gain is sick. you don't see me out there with the soldiers killing people. i appreciate what they do because they defend my country against people who would otherwise harm it, but i would not be able to kill people. terrorists are on a whole other level, again they can't be reasoned with because their motives are unjustified in the first place.
User avatar #911 to #707 - jarelk (07/25/2012) [-]
Maybe it is different. But i just can't help think that maybe these are just regular people too. I wonder what persuaded them to abandon whatever life they may have had in favor of becoming a war criminal. Just try to picture how they might view western countries: As evil, monopolizing countries who opress the 3rd world countries to earn money, full of evil bankers and shizzle. This (mostly false) image represents but a small part of America (like, say, the actual bankers we have that DO do these kind of things), the same way a lot of people view arabic coutnries based on the image they have of terrorists, as in they apply what they think about one small group to an entire country of people.

And the problem with war is, it hurts the people before it hurts the ones you're trying to get. There's huge amounts of collateral damage done by troops in Iraq and other countries. They set out to take out one evil man, but they mostly end up hurting people who do not deserve being hurt, whether accidental or not. War is very, very dirty business and a life should not be taken casually.

Sorry about the wall of text.
User avatar #925 to #911 - cleverguy (07/25/2012) [-]
maybe terrorists do that BECAUSE they are ******** crazy. a lot of people feel hatred toward many countries, but only the extremists who are arguably insane actually go over and terrorize civilians because they think it is the right thing to do.

the difference between war and terrorism is that in war you set out to kill as much of the enemy troops as possible (avoiding, if possible, civilian casualties), while terrorists aim to kill civilians with the intent of creating terror, hence the name.

you might bring up the nukes dropped on japan in WWII, but you must remember how much controversy surrounded those bombs and that the cities themselves were target, if im not mistaken, for their factories and industry and such that contributed to the war effort, not to take out the civilian population, while that was expected and did happen.
User avatar #928 to #925 - jarelk (07/25/2012) [-]
I'm not sure about them being ******* insane, but something definitely went wrong somewhere in their lives.

I'm aware there's a difference, I'm just trying to think of ways we can actually alleviate this sort of veil of ignorance they have in those arabic countries. This would prevent further terrorists from being recruited, and would push them away from the people's favor.

Because at the moment, the people hates us. We invaded their lands, raveged it with war, changed a bunch of stuff, called it "bringing them democracy" and then left.
User avatar #929 to #928 - cleverguy (07/25/2012) [-]
well how else do you propose ridding middle eastern countries from the terrorist groups that practically control their governments besides invading and flipping the government that will breed more terrorists? there are no negotiations that will work with terrorists, the people will hate us either way. we cannot be passive, they seek to destroy our way of life.
User avatar #933 to #929 - jarelk (07/26/2012) [-]
There's a lot of opposing forces in this world trying to make your life miserable, a lot of those close at home. I see you consider the terrorists themselves the true enemy of your way of life. But it's not entirely correct. It's the ideology that they worship that threatens it. Such ideology runs deep and was almost always present in any given time. When there's A, there has always been a B trying to fight A.

The thing is, we can kill as many terrorists as you want and in the meantime be considered "assholes" for all the collateral damage we cause, both in the literal and metaphorical sense, or we can actually try and combat the ideology by spreading positive news and thinking. Rationality, equality, things like that.

This also means that we need to focus on solving problems closer to home. All of our countries are FAR from perfect. We need to establish a better society if we wish to be more of an example. Only then can we actually rationalize going to people's countries and telling them to adopt our way of living.

What I'm trying to say is, there's a deeper reasoning behind all this that we fail to actually find and solve with conflict. We should focus more on trying to solve this problem by changing their way of thinking and solving our own **** , instead of putting ourselves on the opposite side of them and actively trying to oppose them like they oppose us (this in the metaphorical sense, not saying we should do nothing while they attack us).

Am I confusing yet?
User avatar #934 to #933 - cleverguy (07/26/2012) [-]
well that is a very positive outlook and i would agree with you if that had worked with communism, but trying to get rid of ideologies that are harmful to us is not possible, especially with one as irrational as extremism that fuels terrorists. we can't change anybody's mind by having a good life. like i said, these people control the government, even if people wanted to change to our way of life because they saw it as better by our example, they couldn't do anything about it. i repeat, they can't be reasoned with. the best we can do is physically get rid of all the threats that we know of.
User avatar #935 to #934 - jarelk (07/26/2012) [-]
We can always try. I prefer to keep trying for something probably hopeless than resort to old methods that won't solve anything in the first place.
User avatar #936 to #935 - cleverguy (07/26/2012) [-]
well on top of the fact that it won't work, there is no one to reason with in the first place. there is no set leader or united group. there are just bands of people under one name. if we somehow manage to reason with one group, another will show up. it's not old methods because it is a relatively new form of warfare, trying to change people's ideologies would be trying to use an old method.
User avatar #937 to #936 - jarelk (07/26/2012) [-]
No one has ever tried to create peace by spreading modernized thinking and positive ideologies, so its not an old method. We're at the precipice of a new era, we can easily communicate wirelessly and can get to the other side of the planet in a day. If there ever is a time to start raising people everywhere to the heightened status and state of living we have, now is the time.

Or maybe a bit later, since we still have some work to do to make our own countires better.
User avatar #938 to #937 - cleverguy (07/26/2012) [-]
isn't that exactly what we tried to do after WWII to show that capitalism was better than communism? albeit the arms race wasn't exactly peaceful, but other huge technological advancements and the berlin airlift were used to show our prosperity and high standard of living to communist countries but there are still communist countries.
User avatar #939 to #938 - jarelk (07/26/2012) [-]
Those were more aggressive statements, a rivalry between two factions to prove they were better than the other.

What I'm suggesting is reaching out a hand without hostility. To the people, not the terrorists.
User avatar #940 to #939 - cleverguy (07/26/2012) [-]
we did try that, we tried to help them establish a democracy, but there was too much corruption and the terrorists groups still controlled the government. it's not like our troops are over there killing every civilian they see. we cannot help them that way, they will be controlled or killed by their own government.
User avatar #946 to #940 - jarelk (07/27/2012) [-]
The reason that failed is because we tried to force it upon them. They wanted us gone, dude. They didn't appreciate us barging in and taking control.

If we want countries like that to grow and become better, we need to LET them grow, not force growth upon them. And we do that by the whole "spreading positive news like rationality and stuff". Then we can only hope for them to pick up on it. We need to educate the people on matters like this, subtly.
User avatar #947 to #946 - cleverguy (07/27/2012) [-]
what i'm trying to tell you is that the people are not in control. we can educate the people all we want but in the end the extremist groups have the guns.
User avatar #948 to #947 - jarelk (07/27/2012) [-]
The people are in fact in control. We just lack unification, because most people are not yet ready to contemplate things they don't agree with. It's part of growth to become more of a free thinker and to embrace ideas that aren't your own.

And I suppose I agree that extremist opression should be removed (possibly via violence), since they hinder that growth, but it never goes like that anyway.

Anyway, t'was fun debating with you! Thank you for some new insights, but I fear we're gonna debate in circles now! Thumb up for all yer comments
User avatar #950 to #948 - cleverguy (07/27/2012) [-]
indeed, you have a good mind, thank you. i shall return the favor
#3 to #1 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
It's called religion.
#841 to #3 - ilikeaaks (07/25/2012) [-]
so true
User avatar #10 to #3 - Offspringofwolves (07/24/2012) [-]
its called extremists
#858 to #10 - anon (07/25/2012) [-]
Lol, I posted this comments in the newest section just to piss that guy off, I caused such a ********* .
User avatar #919 to #858 - Offspringofwolves (07/25/2012) [-]
ha thanks got a link i wanna watch it
#402 to #10 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
religious extremists
User avatar #19 to #10 - FeeFieFoe (07/24/2012) [-]
Maybe its Maybelline....
#342 to #19 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
I remember you!

You're that guy that got 200+ dislikes on that one comment! :P

... I was one of those dislikes... >:)
User avatar #555 to #342 - FeeFieFoe (07/24/2012) [-]
Thanks for fueling my erection.
#194 to #19 - thedungeonmaster (07/24/2012) [-]
This 			*******		 comment. I even sang it like the stupid commercial you smart son of a bitch.
This ******* comment. I even sang it like the stupid commercial you smart son of a bitch.
User avatar #272 to #120 - virtigo ONLINE (07/24/2012) [-]
Take this please, and throw that ****** , little quality in the trash.

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User avatar #36 to #19 - mhden (07/24/2012) [-]
Feminism ...
#373 to #36 - KwMclovin (07/24/2012) [-]
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Someone say feminism?
User avatar #542 to #373 - trivdiego (07/24/2012) [-]
cue 'out of the loop'
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