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#929 to #868 - jinkazama (07/22/2012) [-]
How come atheists never get possessed then?
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#990 to #949 - jinkazama (07/22/2012) [-]
Nobody has ever fucking been possessed you bloody twat.
User avatar #912 to #868 - bgbba (07/22/2012) [-]
...This is why we atheists can't take religion seriously, I hope you know.
User avatar #887 to #868 - noblexfenrir (07/22/2012) [-]
Youfuckinserious.jpg

Listen, first of all to make an exorcism even remotely plausible as evidence for the supernatural, you have to prove its causes stem from the supernatural and aren't psychological/physical/genetic/environmental/etc etc or hell someone could just be fucking with people. The fact is, a few pages have the ability to have an enormous effect, or none at all. The human mind is strange in its reactions.

Also...that whole chest carving thing...first of all the one I think you're talking about has been debunked horridly, and also have you seen this happen to anyone? Or are you going off something you read that could obviously be very biased towards making this claim seem true and a one time event that they might never get the chance to duplicate?
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User avatar #928 to #915 - noblexfenrir (07/22/2012) [-]
Vague explanations of events that would eventually come to be in some form of another.

I'm going to go to denny's and I predict that the waitress will ask me for a drink, if she does then I must be divine.
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User avatar #901 to #893 - noblexfenrir (07/22/2012) [-]
My grandfather told me he punched Hitler square in the jaw and then had sex with 50 german womanz.

The fact is, that isn't even close to being considered hard evidence. You haven't addressed the issue of the person who is supposedly possessed and whether or not the cause is natural or supernatural, you haven't shown any evidence of this to be reproduced.

You're just going off the stories of someone who is incredibly biased towards supporting his own claim and see's no other alternative.
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User avatar #904 to #896 - noblexfenrir (07/22/2012) [-]
I think grandpa was hitting that oxygen tank a little too hard.
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#865 - axeul (07/22/2012) [-]
Excuse me sir, have you accepted the Forerunners as your lords and saviors?
#854 - jbchockey (07/22/2012) [-]
only way to solve Religious Desputes (ik grammer Nazi's I suck at spelling)
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#821 - anonymous (07/22/2012) [-]
Why can't Christians just think for themselves, do they really enjoy being good little sheep ?
#859 to #821 - instalation ONLINE (07/22/2012) [-]
We do, Funnyjunk just portrays us as retards.
User avatar #874 to #859 - comeherekids (07/22/2012) [-]
I guess you could say I was "christian" (in the sense that I was raised that way) but once I actually looked into what it was about and how ridiculous and possessive it is I no longer felt obligated to devote my life to a invisible entity that never talks to anyone anymore.
#812 - anonymous (07/22/2012) [-]
**anonymous rolled a random image posted in comment #416 at Just doesn't make sense **
**anonymous rolled a random image posted in comment #416 at Just doesn't make sense **
#797 - jordoguy (07/22/2012) [-]
MFW people take this seriously
MFW people take this seriously
#790 - doodnotheface (07/22/2012) [-]
I'm an atheist but here's something that just came to mind.

Conside you're the guy that discovered gravity, but you couldn't prove it to anyone and noone believed you. To you it makes complete sense and you believe 100% that it exists, but because you can't prove it other people don't believe you and it basically becomes faith. (please don't respond with "but I can prove it exists so you're point is irelivent").

Theists believe they have 'seen the light of god' or something like that, and have complete belief in god(well, most of them anyway, there are doubters in everthing) so you're not going to change their view. Can't you just accept it's not for you but it's right for them?
User avatar #943 to #790 - mynameisfoo (07/22/2012) [-]
im a Christian and I greatly respect you now, very well put.
User avatar #922 to #790 - bgbba (07/22/2012) [-]
That's Russel's Teapot. Since disbelief is the base ground (People are born atheist, if nobody exposed us to the concept of a god, then nobody would believe in one), the "burden of proof" is on the person purporting the belief. We do accept that it's right for them, and the vast majority of us have no issue with religious belief. What most atheists have a problem with is the way religion impacts everyday life and national events as a whole. The fact that religion often professes to be an infallible authority on all things moral is probably the one biggest problem atheism has with religion. We don't have an issue with religion and almost all of us agree that religion does a lot of good in the world and give comfort to many people. We just don't like the fact that religion often assumes many things to be true when there is literally no evidence for it, and whenever religion is confronted with this, it's suddenly an 'attack'.
User avatar #844 to #790 - noblexfenrir (07/22/2012) [-]
Specifically what 'mrgreatnames' said, the problem with your whole analogy is I CAN prove gravity. I can produce multiple tests that will give me the same results, AND I can see it's effect on objects and how it manipulates then by looking at the rotation of the planets. The fact is, I don't even have to prove gravity, all gravity is, is a definition to a process we've observed since the beginning of time.

Theists are perfectly fine with a subjective view of their own reality, accepting that whatever personal experience they feel/went through is enough evidence for god. But the problem with that is humans are very good at fooling ourselves. A person that said he was abducted by aliens actually believes he was, doesn't mean I'm going to believe him or let him teach other people that aliens exist and their sole reason for coming to our planet is to desecrate our corn and fondle our assholes.

and seriously? No you're not wrong in letting someone believe what they want but....well here's an analogy:

Special kid in class loves eating glue, he thinks that eating glue is the best thing for him. You obviously know it isn't because of research done on the effects of glue. Now you can either stop him or not stop him. Would you let him go on eating glue even though you know he is completely disregarding medical evidence and hurting himself?

Basically replace special kid--> Theist and glue--> Accepting ignorance.
User avatar #969 to #844 - yuzuruotinashi (07/22/2012) [-]
your analogy doesn't make sense. Being a Christian isn't unhealthy, it's simply a different lifestyle. As a Christian myself, I am a strong follower of science and technology, and very considerate and knowledgeable (at least I try to be) of other cultures. Take a standard Muslim. He is part of a very large following that has a lot of extremists in it. Does that mean he's a bad person? No, he simply follows a set of beliefs. Although I disagree with him, I am not going to try to convert has as it is also possible that his religion is right and mine is wrong.

I am taking the fact that God exists on faith. I have no evidence that he exists besides the Bible, but it doesn't cause me harm. If i'm right, then I will live an eternal life of happiness. If i'm wrong, I die and get buried 6 feet underground, just like Athiests. What's to lose?

I don't have a problem with Athiests. People are free to think what they want to think and it would be a dick move of me to preach at them to try to convince them otherwise, and I do have several friends who are athiests, including my best friend, and we simply don't get into religious debate as we both know we have different stands and accept it for how it is. I do, however, have a problem with Athiests who try to convert Christians and talk about us like simply believing makes us ignorant.

TL;DR: Let the people think what they want. Don't take their hope from them.

User avatar #1018 to #969 - noblexfenrir (07/23/2012) [-]
My analogy makes perfect sense, just not on a individual level. Yes you would be correct if it did, however it overflows and becomes a community and this community tries to enforce itself onto wherever they reside socially/economically/and politically. Also, because they accept their religion, they are believing something based on faith, which is ignorant and accepting such a thing dampens progress. This is how religion hurts.

But you just said the muslim could be right (even though technically you and muslims have the exact same god but that's a completely different topic), so for you it's not just heaven or nothing, you can go to hell as well. What makes your religion that you can't prove and more correct than anothers?

I don't try and convert people, I could care less how my reactions are taken by someone else. I will however, tell them they are wrong and why they are wrong, because that's how you progress, by unveiling faults and building off of them.

Hope means absolutely nothing if someone has to accept ignorance to have it. Just like in my glue analogy, would you take the glue away from him even though he loves it? Most people would. Because the fact is, even though the thing he loves brings him comfort and he believes it will help him, the objective reality strays so far away from his that you can't just stand by and let him hurt himself and others (Telling other people that eating glue is healthy for you), most people wouldn't stand by and let him ignore evidence that what he believes is not true simply because you might hurt his ego.

TL;DR: Hope has nothing to do with objective reality.
#853 to #844 - anonymous (07/22/2012) [-]
Didn't doodnotheface specifically say 'please don't respond with "but I can prove it exists so you're point is irelivent"'?
He means that if you think you have found something using science, and are 100% sure it is fact (i'm not going to say what you found so you don't say another bullshit "but your wrong because that HAS been proven,I am just talking about a hypothetical example) but no one believes you, you have something equivalent to faith. In the same way that you would not want people to laugh and mock you, had you discovered something hard to prove, do not mock Theists because you do not believe in god. They have a right to their opinions, even if you think their opinions are wrong.

inb4 "hurr durr your an anon what you say is irreverent"
User avatar #860 to #853 - noblexfenrir (07/22/2012) [-]
No I wouldn't be in the same position as theists, if I found something using science (No matter what it is, absolutely anything take your pick), then that would mean I could replicate the scenario and produce that result again for others to see.

Wow that sure was simple.

They absolutely have the right to their opinions and I'm not calling them stupid or mocking them, I'm calling their religion stupid and the only time I mock them is for accepting ignorance because it makes them feel good.
User avatar #973 to #860 - yuzuruotinashi (07/22/2012) [-]
Prove that nothing can go faster than the speed of light then. Sure Einstein said that nothing with mass can go faster than the speed of light, but people make mistakes. His formulas could be wrong. However, we do not have the technology to test this theory, we can only run computer tests on it. Computer tests can be ran on it, but this will still never PROVE that mass can't go faster than light. There is no possible way to prove it as it is always possible that technology could reach a point in the future that allows us to travel faster than light. The nature of a theory is that it is almost impossible to prove, while a rock that manages to go faster than the speed of light would destroy one of the cornerstones of modern physics.

The fact that God exists is a theory, it cannot be disproven short of dieing and finding out for yourself. Trying to disprove his existence is a waste of your time as he can never be disproven. You can give evidence that makes his existence less likely but you can never disprove him.
User avatar #1019 to #973 - noblexfenrir (07/23/2012) [-]
Well so far nothing we've seen can go faster than the speed of light. This isn't set in stone, it's just an absolute we've observed and tested to the point it's a reliable assertion to make. Last year I believe around september they discovered particles that they recorded being faster than the speed of light, this is only a hypothesis though as they have only confirmed it in a few experiments and it requires a few more hoops to jump through before we can apply it as a theory. So yes you are right that we can't prove mass can never go faster than the speed of light, because this assertion is only made off of the basis that this is the extent of our knowledge.

You see that's one thing I fund funny about theists, they believe science runs off omniscient knowledge, which is absurd. Science never makes absolute claims, only ones based off of the knowledge we have. Humans do this in absolutely everything, well except god. I don't see people using the argument "WELL YOU CAN'T DISPROVE(I'll get back to this point in a moment) UNICORNS! SO YES THEY CAN EXIST!" The fact is, yes they can (they are actually infinitely more possible than god, I will explain that in a post response to this one) but every generally accepts them as fables because unicorns don't really have an effect on a person. However a god does, so then they get up in arms saying you can't disprove him when in any other given situation they would never use such an absurd claim.

(Reason you CAN disprove god and asking for evidence of dis-proof is ridiculous and redundant)
Both of these are answered by one easily accepted idea: All the evidence for disproving something is directly correlated to the lack of evidence for proving it. So yes it's very basic, if you can't prove a claim, then it is disproved till otherwise.
User avatar #1020 to #1019 - noblexfenrir (07/23/2012) [-]
:Post 2:

The reason unicorns are more plausible than god will ever be is because unicorns atleast have a probabilistic chance of existing, probability dictates that if something CAN happen in a defined space, then it WILL. Well a living organism in the form of a horse with a horn on it's head is fairly feasible given enough time.

However, god evades this principle because he is given the attribute of creating the defined space. Something probability cannot claim is possible due to the very nature it follows. So for god to exist, he needs absolute evidence, otherwise he exists purely as an idea and nothing more, there is no possibility of a god existing in this universe unless he is proven to exist.

Very simple logical process, that is thrown away because reality is too difficult to accept.
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User avatar #831 to #825 - doodnotheface (07/22/2012) [-]
So you're saying, as one atheist to another, than I'm wrong to let people think what they want?
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User avatar #926 to #835 - bgbba (07/22/2012) [-]
I think that the impact of the scientific revolution and atheism's rise has made religion a hell of a lot less radical. I think that it made religion gentler, because if it didn't become nicer, then nobody would accept it anymore.
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User avatar #942 to #930 - bgbba (07/22/2012) [-]
True. From what I see, I think that religion would become MORE extremist and become more secluded. This would push the more moderate people over into atheism, which would make the group more radical. This self-destructive cycle is already happening in the US.
#861 to #835 - mattoland (07/22/2012) [-]
that right there is wrong sir, as Christians where "left alone" when the first built the Vatican in Constantinople and they literally almost ruled all of Rome anyone who was not Christian was deemed blasphemous then murdered
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#870 to #864 - mattoland (07/22/2012) [-]
but then Lutheran was invented and more things like sprouted from that such as the idea that God only knows who will be saved and the mix of government and religion, what I'm saying is that even if you find some way to destroy this "radical thinking" there will always be more, possibly sprouted from un-radical thoughts
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#875 to #872 - mattoland (07/22/2012) [-]
and I'm saying religion is kinda like Herpes, no matter how hard you try you will never be rid of it completely
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#879 to #877 - mattoland (07/22/2012) [-]
Hitler was good at fighting Herpes maybe you can be like him
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#890 to #881 - mattoland (07/22/2012) [-]
even an anti extremist is an extremist in its own special way
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User avatar #838 to #835 - doodnotheface (07/22/2012) [-]
So you're saying, that whilst no action should be taken, there should be less relgious people ..?
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User avatar #849 to #843 - doodnotheface (07/22/2012) [-]
Ok. It just sounded like you were saying that whilst you didn't want to convert people to atheism, you wanted them to be atheists, I may have misunderstood.

As an atheist, do you dislike it when Jehovah's witnesses, and the like, come to the door and try to convert people to their way of thinking, or at least challenge the path they have chosen for themselves? If so, do you see the similarity between that and you saying you should challenge the people you describe as insane?
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User avatar #792 to #790 - doodnotheface (07/22/2012) [-]
Consider*
User avatar #789 - ilya (07/22/2012) [-]
It takes courage to love someone who hates you
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User avatar #900 to #869 - sooperdooper (07/22/2012) [-]
>love bear unconditionally
>try and kiss bear
>get mauled
>courage.avi
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#785 - domitius (07/22/2012) [-]
why can't people just stfu and make with the funny, annoying each other isn't gonna achieve shit
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User avatar #779 - wertq (07/22/2012) [-]
Aka lawyer logic.
#777 - fukyeahraptorr (07/22/2012) [-]
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#774 - skullnigga (07/22/2012) [-]
Don't ever fucking use Futurama to make one of your shit contents again OP.
User avatar #798 to #774 - cjfj (07/22/2012) [-]
Don't ever use your keyboard to make shit comments again, faggot.
#773 - ninjaspartan (07/22/2012) [-]
How are people still going on about this shit? Doesn't anyone ever get tired of arguing over it? It's so pointless, you need a fucking time machine to actually get proof for shit like this. Why don't we all just agree that people think differently about it, I mean what the hell.
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User avatar #834 to #827 - ninjaspartan (07/22/2012) [-]
Well, sir, then you are no better than they are.
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User avatar #839 to #836 - ninjaspartan (07/22/2012) [-]
So... bother them until they become less radical? That's how you get shot up in the hood, son.
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User avatar #846 to #842 - ninjaspartan (07/22/2012) [-]
I don't think you're quite understanding me... that's same way crappy teenage pop culture rises to fashion. You're only giving them the excuse of martyrdom.
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User avatar #855 to #850 - ninjaspartan (07/22/2012) [-]
I'm sorry, but that line of thinking retarded and just as extremist and dangerous. People have been known to kill over much less. For example, if someone can shoot up a theater in a batman costume because they didn't like the movie, anything is potentially world ending.
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User avatar #863 to #857 - ninjaspartan (07/22/2012) [-]
Uh, no, they're one in the same thing. No one kills over religion, or over anything really, except the insane. Extremists use religion as something to back their personal beliefs, in fact, which makes them less religious then actual religious folk. Then they use it as an excuse to kill. Tell me that isn't insanity, go ahead.
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User avatar #883 to #866 - ninjaspartan (07/22/2012) [-]
I said no one kills over religion except the insane. The ratio between extremists and normal people is too big of a difference. And frankly, religion is the last thing that people actually kill over in the middle east as well. People blow that out of proportion all the time. It's much more financially and territoriality related than that. Educate yourself:

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Religion is about as dangerous as politics and real pop-culture influence. There may be a spread of stupidity, but they're about as harmless as a sack of onions in an apple store.
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User avatar #987 to #892 - ninjaspartan (07/22/2012) [-]
Apparently I need to rephrase myself. Religion is no more dangerous than politics and the like. It's just an excuse to kill, just like politics and other meaningless stuff people get shot up in movie theaters for. It's an idea, and ideas are what humans use to do terrible things. Humans are no less cruel and homicidal without them. Don't act as if there haven't been casualties on both sides.
#759 - plandee (07/22/2012) [-]
I just came here to look at the comments and laugh.
#751 - anonymous (07/22/2012) [-]
Anon here. and i have an opinion!

Normal religious people: Believe that there is a divine being who will offer her/him support during his/her time of need. The bible, of course, acts a a set of rules of conduct for the person who believes that there is indeed a divine being who protects his/her spirit. Of course, any educated person will know that the bible was compiled by human beings in an earlier date, who had a much different lifestyle. These educated, religious people DON'T worship the bible. They realize that some of the rules are ridiculous (like the one about not eating animals with 4 legs or some shit) and instead follow the moral code of the bible, like the golden rule and such. They don't believe that they were specially chosen or above anyone. They simply use this faith as support for all the obstacles they will indubitably face in life.

Dumbass religious people worship the bible and basically think that they're the "chosen ones" and think they have the ability to adjudicate the going ons of the world. Ever wonder why there are so few retards who march on the streets screaming "Jesus is the savior blah blah blah" compared to normal people who simply go to church and pray once in a while?

Besides that, Athiests are sometimes also shitheads. Stop flaming the damn religious people. Having faith is not something that should be ridiculed at.

Peace out.
User avatar #796 to #751 - kafudamapla (07/22/2012) [-]
Actually most people are in between. I have a few religious friends who are completely normal people, however believe 100% what their boly books say, not just using the as moral guidance. The muslims actually do like to discuss their beliefs however, where the rules came from etc. The christians however are completely dismissive about discussing their religion and will only talk about it when it is being treated as fact
#749 - lordmoldywart (07/22/2012) [-]
Why are atheists so butthurt about this shit
User avatar #764 to #749 - cjfj (07/22/2012) [-]
Why do I have to listen to people tell me I'm going to hell for not worshiping Jesus? Why are they so butthurt about it?

I don't generalize people with the same beliefs as you. Please, don't generalize the butthurt atheists with the rest of us.
User avatar #786 to #764 - lordmoldywart (07/22/2012) [-]
I've never seen anyone preach religion on this website, it's always atheists having a go at religious people, never the other way around

OP is generalising, I can generalise too, deal with it
User avatar #791 to #786 - cjfj (07/22/2012) [-]
You cannot, however, spell "generalizing".
User avatar #828 to #791 - lordmoldywart (07/22/2012) [-]
I'm using the proper English spelling, generalize is the American way of spelling it
User avatar #822 to #791 - monkee ONLINE (07/22/2012) [-]
It's the british way of spelling it. Collins English Dictionary style.
#754 to #749 - snipesalot (07/22/2012) [-]
I'm not.
#756 to #754 - lordmoldywart (07/22/2012) [-]
Good for youuuuuu
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