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#102767 - youregaylol
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Is there any reason, besides "sympathy" or "compassion", to let these "refugees" into first world countries?

Any reason at all?

Leftists need to find one, and quick, because the old excuse is tiring fast and the reasons against taking them in are piling up everyday. From a strategic standpoint I can't help but think the progressive leaders have blundered.

They had the media, the corporations, the politicians. All they had to do was bide their time, continue to fill the countries with immigrants slowly while tearing down the societal barriers piece by piece until they had their egalitarian utopia. But it seems they got too eager in recent years. The amount of politically correct dogma and rhetoric shocked people. They revealed their true nature too soon. The ugly, rainbow bleached truth shocked people.

Now the right wing parties are rising, and sentiments are turning against them. People are angry, and angry people act. In their pride they may have created exactly what they feared the most, as often happens.
#102801 to #102767 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
From what i have seen (in a recent debate with some libbie friends) their rhetoric relies on dampening the facts, and relying on "come on, we are saving lives! That is worth something!" That, and "The west needs to maintain our western culture of tolerance, and not falter when challanged by a social and economic disaster " even though the refugees hate western ideals...


#102788 to #102767 - alimais ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Now that the European birth-rates are low you need workers to fill that hole and also see how no countries are united on a matter.

Right/Left wing is only here to separate the people of a country so shitty governments can govern all they want without consequences.

Remember the tactics : Divide and Conquer
#102818 to #102788 - lotengo
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(01/08/2016) [-]
>Now that the European birth-rates are low you need workers to fill that hole and also see how no countries are united on a matter.

The ammount of jobs that is available in the future will only drop not rise.
A lot of jobs are going to dissapear in the upcoming decades
#102822 to #102818 - alimais ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
I know but the traitor government wants to take in at least 500 000 immigrants a year
#102824 to #102822 - lotengo
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Liberals want 500.000 extra voters
#102825 to #102824 - alimais ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
They get extra voters, lobbyists get cheap labour and there would be a divide within the country so no chance of uprisings
#102800 to #102788 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
You forgot your tinfoil

Also; bringing in uneducated, west-hating people into the west to work is not exactly a good means of reducing population decline. If western powers viewed that as a main problem, they would subsidize fertility and child-care, not immigraton.
#102802 to #102800 - alimais ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
>If western powers viewed that as a main problem, they would subsidize fertility and child-care, not immigraton.

I bet a sane person would think that but that's not the case. Germany which has the world lowest birth rate takes in shit ton of immigrants from cultures which high birthrates.

It gets all blamed on baby boomers and we need "Fachkräfte" to pay for the social welfare.

Just translate this article
www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article138826896/Deutschland-braucht-500-000-Zuwanderer-pro-Jahr.html
#102803 to #102802 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Thats really fucking weird.
Even if they need IMMEDIATE labour (which is impossible due to language aquisition and integration) it would be better to employ EU workers (Greeks, Poles) i mean, thats what the EU is for. Countering unemployment unbalance....

I bet the only reason is the "humanitarian" one, honestly...
#102804 to #102803 - alimais ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
If you think that is weird German media and government always slanders the Hungary government because of it's border control going as far as even mentioning the holocaust.
Also they were mad about how Poland and Slovakia only wants to take Christian refugees.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia gets everything from Germany, are in a good relation and they don't talk bad about each other.

But what should I say other than I need to adjust my tinfoil.
#102805 to #102804 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
RIP european solidarity

I said tinfoil because i thought you were one of those "RIGHT AND LEFT IS ALL THE SAME! DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT!" faggots btw - you know, the hipster kind.
#102782 to #102767 - anon
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Remove the right wing leaders from power.
#102845 to #102782 - garymotherfingoak
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(01/09/2016) [-]
>UK
>Authoritarian
#102786 to #102782 - youregaylol
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Did you make that graph all by yourself kevin.
#102775 to #102767 - marinepenguin
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(01/08/2016) [-]
I remember when Ben Carson whent to Jordan and visited the refugee camps. He asked the refugees and the Jordanian officials what he wanted the US to do to help, and they all said that the Refugee camps in Jordan were fine and the refugees were happy, they just were underfunded. The refugees also said they just wanted to he conflict to end and to go home.

The 1st world offering to support a few hundred thousand from Syria is nothing more than us trying to act like we're helping and actually making a difference. They don't want to come to America or Europe they want the war to end and to go home. Send Jordan some help financially and maybe lend them some troops or volunteers to help run the refugee centers, it's cheaper and it is actually helping. Win-win-win
#102789 to #102775 - alimais ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
The UN cuts funds of those camps so those people are forced to move
#102796 to #102789 - marinepenguin
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Hmm that's convenient.
#102797 to #102796 - alimais ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Well, if something big is happening there's always a reason behind it and it is no accident.

All the wars and last year suddenly everyone decides to move to Europe ?
#102762 - anon
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Just gonna leave this here.
#102811 to #102762 - enlightednatzie
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(01/08/2016) [-]
>watching hollywood propaganda
>being a brainwashed sheep
#102770 to #102762 - anon
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Just gonna leave this here.
#102764 to #102762 - anon
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Nazis when Jews express concerns over hate crimes: "OY VEY IDS LIKE ANUDA SHOAH XDDDDDDDD"

Nazis when a director chooses to start casting with racial diversity in mind: "This is literally a genocide."
#102765 to #102764 - feelythefeel
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(01/08/2016) [-]
>strawman fallacies are okay as long as I mistake my opponent's joke as a sincere strawman fallacy
YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING BALANCE TO THE BOARD! NOT LEAVE IT IN ISRAEL!
#102763 to #102762 - akkere
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(01/08/2016) [-]
" and if we can’t find the actors who are great, we shouldn’t,"
This was from an interview in regards to a show he directed called Undercovers, and his full statement pretty clearly dictates that he wasn't going to full-on Affirmative action the show if he couldn't find actors to convey the roles properly. He simply took note that for the Emmy awards (the "whitest fucking room" he was referring to) there apparently aren't a lot of non-white actors, so he decided to open the audition with an initial focus.
www.earwolf.com/episode/j-j-abrams/ - now 404'd source of the original interview
www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-7-racially-diverse/ - transcript of the majority of the segment to that interview.
#102807 to #102763 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
The fact that you all can legitemately have so many squabbles about a shitty film (actors were meh-tier, regardless of affirmative action or not, but plot was cow-shit) is really fucking funny

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#102812 to #102807 - akkere
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(01/08/2016) [-]
If I had the free time (and the caffiene), I could probably post/talk about Star Wars for three days straight, like those Twitch streams of people playing games for three days straight. Not argue, just talk about elements from the films to the books, both Legends and NC expanded universe, and onward. I'm that big a Star Wars nerd, and have been so since pretty much early childhood.

My problem is so many discussions about the film are clogged up by posts clamoring "SOCIAL JUSTICE IS INVADING!" that typically involve these exaggerated posts. Walmart commercials, really?
The film has lumbering flaws, and I won't rage against you for legitimately disliking the film if it wasn't your cup of tea or if the flaws were just too much. But to sit there and go nuts trying to blow up points of a film that might be tangentially political - while ignorantly stating these elements are a new introduction - and then spam it across discussion boards inside and outside those related to the film, that's just cumbersome to look at.

Take the film American Sniper, for example. A lot of progressive "news sites" shat on the film because they kept looking it as a political piece instead of what it actually was; a piece that shows the struggle of veterans that have to essentially live two realities. Does the film almost deliberately overlook elements of Chris Kyle's autobiography (like his more overzealous attitude) that would've rendered him less sympathetic in the eyes of the viewer if they were on screen? Sure; they even included an ambigious ending subtitle "Chris Kyle was killed that day by a veteran he was trying to help" on the final scene that shows him walking a veteran to a shooting range. And those elements SHOULD be brought up if the discussion turns less on the major point on the film and on Chris Kyle's person himself; just like how JJ Abrahm's poor handling of the depth of the First Order should be brought up when considering the fact he sees both the original trilogy's depiction of the Empire and the expanded universe's depiction, and went straight for the former instead of finding an equilibrium of the two.
#102814 to #102812 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(01/08/2016) [-]
I have gotten sick of most films today. Not because of any political sentiments if there are any, but because they are all so laughably simple. I think movies should try to be art, not just entertainment, and as such they should convey a theme/sentiment through artistic means (read: not fucking spelling out every god damn detail for you)
VII was honestly not that awful, but it was still a modern hollywood movie, and they seem to be all shitty, with a few exceptions (personal fav is ex machina).

But i agree thought that looking for political sentiments in a venue meant to be entertainment and nothing more is silly. I do not know if JJ. abrams had political motivations, but even if he did, i doubt anyone will change their political views based on a star-wars film.
#102813 to #102812 - akkere
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(hit ctrl+enter too early)
But that doesn't justify incessantly pointing at American Sniper and insisting it's an inherently political piece, and driving every flaw of the film to some political agenda. Take the flaws as they are instead of blowing them up, or looking at the countless conservative sites that laud Chris Kyle, his book, and the film, and assume that this somehow impresses something on the film.
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#102766 to #102763 - youregaylol
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Thats a nice way of saying that he went full on affirmative action.

At this point denying that the new Star Wars wasn't a social justice dream is beyond absurd, I can only chalk it up to progressive denial.

Ignoring the fact that the director himself is known as an active liberal who places his politics in his movies, his Star Trek movie being described by a cast member as a massive critique of the Bush administration, the signs are grotesquely obvious.

A strong wymen character who has virtually no flaws and can do almost anything (also doesnt need your oppressive hand holding, shitlord)
A goofy lovable negroe love interest who instantly falls for her in like what, 2 days? Maybe a week? She of course reciprocates the love instantly.
An all white evil nazi villian army of evil white nazis (who are all white ).
A brave multicultural resistance movement that has both women, asians, asian women, and fish that attacks the evil white people.
An angsty white male villain who can't stand how strong and independent the female protagonist is so he has to throw a tantrum like the crybaby white guy he is.

Not to mention the whole movie was basically envisioned as "Nazis 2: Electric Boogaloo in Space"

Look, if you're a fan of bad storytelling, uninteresting characters, and amazing special effects, fine, but don't deny that there isn't a bent to this movie. It makes you look foolish. Would there be any debate about the agenda of a star wars film made by Ted Nugent that featured Yoda speaking about why everyone should have a lightsaber and that wookie immigrants are ruining society?

I'll answer that for you. No.

Oh and lets not forget about this little goody from Walmart Walmart Presents  STAR WARS: On Keeping With The Times

But its all just in the dumb right wingers heads, right?
#102768 to #102766 - akkere
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Everyone who calls Star Wars a social justice dream is the exact equivalent to social justice warriors complaining about franchises not having enough "diversity".

The "goofy loveable negro" gets his ass handed to him multiple times. Multiple. Times. He gets the shit kicked out of him by an injured by that "angsty white teen" who got shot by the same gun that sent people flying in the air.
The "strong womyn character" didn't reciprocate shit. Rey hasn't shown any romantic interest in Finn at all in the slightest. The fact /pol/ keeps getting anally retentive about this in a franchise that had interSPECIES relationships is pretty telling how much they totally care about the franchise enough that people should listen to their complaints.
>An all white evil nazi villain army
Gee, I didn't know you had x-ray vision and could see under the helmets of every stormtrooper. Oh wait, you can't. You even forgot the fact the big bad captain of the Stormtroopers was a woman as well. Gigantic >implying here.
The "angsty white male villain" is the son of white parents and is supposed to be a reflection of Vader when he was an angsty hero. Pretty obvious Rey (who's either the daughter of Luke or the shittiest red herring ever written) and Ren are supposed to be opposing reflections of the force, and that's obvious from their respective angsty mannerisms.
"Not to mention the whole movie was basically envisioned as 'Nazis 2: Electric Boogaloo in Space"
Yeah, it's not like the original trilogy had any Nazi references at all. Like the officers wearing all-black uniforms. Or the anti-alien sentiment of the Emperor. Or the fact that George Lucas himself refers to the Empire as Nazis in the commentary.
Or the fact the main infantry are literally called Stormtroopers . Yeah, this whole "The Empire are Nazis" is a completely new and never-before-seen thing.

The only person looking foolish here is you for blowing this shit out of proportion. Yeah, Rey's a Mary Sue. So was Anakin in the prequels; if you can't see the connection here, you're awfully daft.
The difference between your example and this film is that neither the characters are breaking their pre-designated selves to make some political point, nor is the universe being broken to do the same. The only thing that's been shown to be malformed is Rey's unusual level of force power such that she was able to do things untrained force sensitives aren't supposed to be able to do, and this could be either due to a massive lack of context we're missing (which admittedly is the root to many of the film's larger flaws) or that Rey's connection to the Skywalker bloodline is stronger than believed.
The Empire's gig in film has always been Space-Nazis. The Skywalkers have been previously established to be angsty Mary Sues. When people wear full suits of body armor, you can't see their skin.
Also, Ted Nugent wouldn't even have to make the everyone-has-lightsabers bit because;
A. Pretty much everyone who can afford to find one has a blaster
B. The original idea George Lucas had for Star Wars was everyone has lightsabers (among other things), before he revamped everything.
And this film (and technically EPV) pretty much established anyone can have a lightsaber if they can either get their hands on one or build one. The crystals and general components are rare as shit.

>Walmart
A ten second video from a company that is neither related to the production of the film/expanded universe nor an asset to Disney. I guess it really is the social justice apocalypse. No, wait, that's just straight up dumb. You're seriously surprised a company pulled a marketing scheme to sell Star Wars crap to the lowest common denominator through pretentious advertising? Really?

I had fears that J.J. Abrams was going to dick this film since Disney started taking some unusual liberties with the expanded universe, but none of those were confirmed as far as political shoehorning comes to pass.
#102771 to #102768 - youregaylol
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(01/08/2016) [-]
"Everyone who calls Star Wars a social justice dream is the exact equivalent to social justice warriors complaining about franchises not having enough "diversity". "
lol, this false equivalency is reaching, even by internet liberal standards.

"The "goofy loveable negro" gets his ass handed to him multiple times"
I never said he didn't, in fact "goofy" would imply the exact opposite. Though I would venture to state that he did hold his own unreasonably well against a skywalker and trained force user, I digress. You forget that the negro is a male, as such his ineptness must be highlighted to show how strong his fellow female protagonist is.
"The "strong womyn character" didn't reciprocate shit. Rey hasn't shown any romantic interest in Finn at all in the slightest."
Right, the fact that they scream and cry everytime they get separated or one of them is in danger isn't possibly indicative of romatic feelings, also the very obvious flirtations of "do you have a boyfriend" and "come with me even though ive only known you for like a week" isn't hinting at anything. Your tumblr tier blindness trumps whatever sort of /pol/ boogeryman you see, chief.
"Gee, I didn't know you had x-ray vision and could see under the helmets of every stormtrooper."
The nazi illusions were just a coincidence, I know, and the fact that every First Order member who didn't have a helmet on is white was a coincidence as well. Oh and the one stormtrooper to realize how evil the nazis are is black, yet another coincidence. Fascinating. And that big woman was white as well. Its weird, so much diversity for the heroes, but all the villains are white. Weird. Oh and could you please inform me when you reach the point of realizing how in denial you sound? I know it's coming.
"The "angsty white male villain" is the son of white parents"
No shit.
"is supposed to be a reflection of Vader when he was an angsty hero."
Vader turned to the Dark side out of fear of losing the ones he loves, the angsty white villain turned to the dark side because "lol vader is cool and im evil", too compare the two is a false equivalence. The moral dichotomy excuse reflected in levels of angst is a nice touch to explain the boring characters though.
"Yeah, it's not like the original trilogy had any Nazi references at all. Like the officers wearing all-black uniforms. Or the anti-alien sentiment of the Emperor. Or the fact that George Lucas himself refers to the Empire as Nazis in the commentary."
Are you really comparing subtleties in uniform to straight up Adolf gesticulating and modified Roman saluting? I mean come on, surely you can at least admit that the overtures were a little forced in that regard. That being said "the original did it too" isn't an excuse for the film being an sjw wet dream.
"The only person looking foolish here is you for blowing this shit out of proportion"
Nah
"Yeah, Rey's a Mary Sue. So was Anakin in the prequels"
Lol no, Anakin was never as perfect as Rei. Excluding his awful child scenes he gets straight up wrecked in Episodes II and III, all the talk of being "the chosen one" didn't mean that he he didn't get his ass kicked at times by Dooku and Obi Wan and being constantly shown to be flawed personality wise. Rei is perfect. She defeats everyone. She almost masters the force in like a week. She beats her so called "reflection" with zero training. You can call me daft in a huff all you like, but I'm afraid you're still looking like a blog writer in denial.

I'm also surprised you took that Ted Nugent bit literally and not as an example of someone obviously putting an agenda forth.
"A ten second video from a company that is neither related to the production of the film/expanded universe nor an asset to Disney"
Do you not know how marketing works? Do you honestly believe that Disney isn't involved with these commercials revolving around their newly acquired license that is releasing a massive projected box office hit?
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#102772 to #102771 - youregaylol
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(01/08/2016) [-]
Oh and you wouldn't even consider that Walmart using a star wars themed commercial to preach the evils of immigration would have an agenda, especially is the director of that film had known right wing affiliations. Really?

"I had fears that J.J. Abrams was going to dick this film since Disney started taking some unusual liberties with the expanded universe, but none of those were confirmed as far as political shoehorning comes to pass."

I'm sorry to say, your fears were justified, it has a very obvious bent. No amount of deflection and dodging can change that.

I'd say #KyloRekt but honestly even the names of the characters are shitty. You'd think they'd at least make use of the Darth title to make it at least kind of cool in a nostalgic sense, but no, shitty titles for shitty characters for a shitty movie. The effects were great though.
#102774 to #102772 - akkere
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>Though I would venture to state that he did hold his own unreasonably well against a Skywalker and trained force user
Probably the shortest "duel" in the franchise. Stop kidding yourself.

>Your tumblr tier blindness trumps whatever sort of /pol/ boogeryman you see, chief
I like how you recognize Finn's a goofy character but regard the silly flirtations as serious romantic development instead of part of his goofy trope. Seems I'm not the one who's blind here, chief.
>Are you really comparing subtleties in uniform
The Stormtrooper label is a subtlety? Really?

"Anakin was never perfect as Rey"
In Anakin's first film, he wins a podrace with a racer he built from scrap and garbage, flies a ship with zilch experience, and takes down a Trade Federation hangar bay flawlessly. Anakin never showed flaws until the sequel films, which can probably be presumed to be the same development stage for Rey.

>I'm also surprised you took the Ted Nugent bit literally
My point is if someone wanted to do things with an actual political slant, there'd be a much better way to do it.

>Do you honestly believe that Disney isn't involved with these commercials?
They're probably involved in setting up an approval process for the commercials themselves, but I don't think they're having a full-blown conspiracy to spread political dissent through... doll commercials. Do you not realize how ridiculous this entire point is?
>Oh and you wouldn't even consider that Walmart using a star wars themed commercial to preach the evils of immigration
I want you to re-watch the commercial and tell me how a little girl going off on pretentious social norms for 10 seconds is the equivalent to "PREACHING THE EVILS OF IMMIGRATION". Case in point; blown out of proportion.

>You'd think they'd at least make use of the Darth title
Part of the whole missing context thing that drags the movie down. We know Kylo Ren is an apprentice to the big bad evil guy (Snoke), and still needs to "finish his training" as evident by Snoke's command to Hux, so it's likely he'll be granted a Darth title in the next film. Ren's name is probably there to draw similarity to Rey's and push the whole force parallel notion that's likely one of the over-arching themes of this series of film.
#102779 to #102774 - youregaylol
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"Probably the shortest "duel" in the franchise. Stop kidding yourself."
Also the longest "duel" where one of the opponents wasn't a force user and wasn't a lightsaber duelist, yet he seems to last longer than the 3 jedi masters who confronted Darth Sidious. Granted Sidious was surely better than this "Ren", but wow, Ren must truly suck if it takes him that long to wound a non force sensitive wimp. If it was Jango Fett, maybe, but Finn? You're the one who needs to get real here buddy.

"I like how you recognize Finn's a goofy character but regard the silly flirtations as serious romantic development instead of part of his goofy trope."
Screaming and crying over a woman you just met isn't goofy. Asking her to come with you isn't goofy. Her not being at all shocked that you asked her to come with you isn't goofy. It's a romantic subplot, accept it. Any child could see they're forcing them together.

"The Stormtrooper label is a subtlety? Really?"
Yes, more subtlety than straight up hitler speeches and seig heils.

"Anakin never showed flaws until the sequel films, which can probably be presumed to be the same development stage for Rey. "
You're missing the fact that Anakin from the first film was hardly a main character, most of the focus was on Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Padme. He had little time at all to have any sort of flaws, Rei had the whole movie and was perfect in everything. Also the fact that hes a fucking child, what enemy or emotional problems do you expect him to have? It can even be argued that he wasn't perfect based on his naivety and obvious attachment to his mother. You need better arguments.

"but I don't think they're having a full-blown conspiracy to spread political dissent through... doll commercials."
To label it as a conspiracy implies irrationality, which I think is your point. No, it's not a conspiracy in the sense that you have a bunch of hooded demons rubbing their hands together and saying "lets make this awful commercial about social justice", but more like a theme. Some young white man dressed in plaid wearing rimmed glasses saying "Hey guys, lets appeal to the female and progressive crowd with a message of strong female characters which we're having in our movie, that way they'll buy our stuff and come see it!" This is a completely plausible scenario.

"I want you to re-watch the commercial and tell me how a little girl going off on pretentious social norms for 10 seconds is the equivalent to "PREACHING THE EVILS OF IMMIGRATION"
Well, it's not the equivalent of "Preaching the evils of immigration." It IS the equivalent of "Preaching the evils of the patriarchy." Because thats what it fucking was. That was the whole point. The girl was spouting off feminist rhetoric. The mother looked at her like "Oh you clever quirky child" because its strange for kids to repeat word for word feminist rhetoric. You keep repeating that I'm blowing this out of proportion but the more we speak I think it's being revealed that you're desperately trying to ignore the bigger picture.

Does a known progressive director who has made progressive films in the past have to make a progressive film each time? No.
Does a strong female mary sure protagonist automatically indicate that theres a social justice lean? No.
Does a token black secondary protagonist in a possible interracial relationship automatically indicate a social justice lean? No.
Does an all white villain cast of oppressive nazis led by and angsty weak white male automatically indicate a social justice lean? No.
Does a multi-racial resistance to said nazis automatically indicate a social justice lean? No.
Does corporate marketing targeting the demographic of the film with social justice messages indicate a social justice lean? Yes, but we'll say no for the sake of argument.

All of these put together however, and you can't just wash away complaints as "dumb right wing /pol/ conspiracy theories." Unless you're a progressive I suppose.
#102781 to #102779 - akkere
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(01/08/2016) [-]
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Kylo Ren pretty clearly plays the fight cocky and stretches the duel out himself. He's only struggling because he doesn't take Finn seriously until he gets wounded. Once he does, he ends the fight in a sweep 'n' slice.

>Any child could see they're forcing them together
The romantic subplot is probably going to happen, but the dramatic freak-out for it utterly unprecedented. If forced romantic sub-plots are a problem, also see Episode I where child Anakin gets a visible hard-on for the Queen of fucking Naboo.

>Anakin was hardly a main character
Having viewers focus on you because you're Vader lite while having;
A. Pod-racer segment
B. Side-by-side scene with the big Duel of the Fates and Space battle sequence
C. Jedi Master Qui-Gon drop an explanation that alludes you to being Force Jesus.
- Doesn't make you a main character? C'mon.

>A twenty second quip of a little girl talking about generic anti-barbie gender roles is "PREACHING THE EVILS OF PATRIARCHY" and spouting feminist rhetoric
It's pretty obvious you're blowing this out of proportion while deliberately ignoring the recurring elements (of which are flaws in their own right but certainly not political mantra) this film has with the prequels/original trilogy. If you're flipping shit over a Walmart commercial that's less than a minute and has all the political input of a bumper sticker, you're blowing it. Hard.

If you're freaking out over a forced romance in a franchise that had forced romance subplots, you're blowing it out of proportion.
If you're freaking out over interracial romance in a franchise that had interspecies romance, you're blowing it out of proportion.
If you're freaking out over antagonists being rendered Nazi-like in a franchise they were already rendered Nazi-like before, you're blowing it out of proportion.
If you're freaking out over character elements already prevalent in previous entries to the franchise, purely because they're "womyn" or "negro", you're seriously, seriously blowing it out of proportion.

You can do the usual "project my opponent as a progressive liberal" mantra all you want like you always do when you reply, but it's pretty clear who has the slant in this (hint: It's the one who has to drop phrases like "feminist rhetoric" and "evil patriarchy" when describing a 10 second advertisement from a little girl about Star Wars dolls).

If you sincerely don't like the film because the flaws are too much for you, that's 100% fine. But don't lump the flaws into this big political scheme when you have to exaggerate to maximum English major tier minuscule observations, and then DELIBERATELY IGNORE connections to the previous entries of the franchise.

These complaints are easily reduced to ash under scrutiny. Literally falls down harder than Finn does in this webm.
#102784 to #102781 - youregaylol
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I find it interesting that you state that my complaints are reduced to ash when you haven't been able to provide any fire to burn them down. Shitty analogies aside, perhaps simply stating you're winning the argument will convince yourself you're making sense. it doesn't convince me though.
"Kylo Ren pretty clearly plays the fight cocky and stretches the duel out himself."
No, it's not very clear. He went into the fight already wounded by Chewbaccas blast and was coping with it before Finn wounded him, hitting himself to gain more anger and therefor more power. Does someone who is toying with someone else need to gain more power? No.
"The romantic subplot is probably going to happen"
Finally, at least I got that out of you. I would dispute the "dramatic freak out", it sounds like another attempt to invalidate legitimate criticism of the film as an sjw wet dream. You do this alot I noticed, imply the opposition is crazy or irrational in an attempt to invalidate them. This is a strawman, but to your credit it is more subtle than simply saying "you're dumb." You're reaching again on the Episode I "romance." Once again, this is a child, and it would be very hard to argue that there was real romantic intent going on at this point. Also again, "the other movies did it" is not an excuse when you couple it with all the other points I made before.

Him riding in an action sequence for a few minutes in a Pod
Him riding in an action sequence for a few minutes in a Spaceship
Someone talking to him
-This is the best you could come up with? Arguably Jar Jar Binks was more important to the story of that movie than he was, and he might've had the same screen time. To say that Anakin Episode I is a Rei or Finn main character is crap.
"It's pretty obvious you're blowing this out of proportion while deliberately ignoring the recurring elements (of which are flaws in their own right but certainly not political mantra) this film has with the prequels/original trilogy. If you're flipping shit over a Walmart commercial that's less than a minute and has all the political input of a bumper sticker, you're blowing it. Hard. "
Theres nothing in this I can refute. It's basically just a long winded way of saying "you're blowing this out of proportion." I'll dismiss this with a simple no.

Your attempt to mimic my delivery would be poignant if you went through all 6 of them and refuted them individually, instead of whatever this is. I'll just state beforehand that the "freak out" part is already disingenuous since I'm quite clearly making the case that the film simply has a social justice bent, and I'm doing a fine job.
"a forced romance in a franchise that had forced romance subplots"-a forced interracial romance by a known progressive director.
" interracial romance in a franchise that had interspecies romance"-basically the same complaint as before
"antagonists being rendered Nazi-like in a franchise they were already rendered Nazi-like"-all white nazi villains being opposed by multi ethnic heroes in a much more overt way than the original, also "the other film did it" doesn't mean that this film isn't a social justice film
" character elements already prevalent in previous entries to the franchise, purely because they're "womyn" or "negro""-the way they're portrayed and the director portraying them are drastically different and from a progressive perspective

" but it's pretty clear who has the slant in this "
personally I would say its the person substituting and argument for cries of "you're just freaking out" and "stop blowing this out of proportion!", but I'm biased. You know who else is biased? JJ Abrahams. The man is a proud progressive, and he puts himself in his work.

Heres how I see it. I've laid out 6 points above that articulate my argument that this film has an SJW bent. I believe that these factors aren't coincidences. Your refutation as I see it is basically that I'm freaking out and irrational. All in all im confident that I'm correct.
#102787 to #102784 - akkere
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Everyone of your complaints treats the plot elements as entirely newly introduced into the franchise, when they're clear and plain allusions to previous entries of the franchise. You choose to ignore the "other movies did it" as a plain excuse when it's pretty plainly obvious TFA's meat is a gigantic homage (something I didn't largely like about the film) to the original trilogy and subtle references to the prequel trilogy, as well as the Legends expanded universe. Just because this theme happens to be a massive breach to all your points that deliberately ignore this theme in the film doesn't make it an invalid clause of counterargument.

Yes, it is clear that Kylo Ren is playing cocky. He knocks Finn down once and turns for a moment with his back against him to utterly mock him, and later does a one-handed pirouette with his saber that gives him no advantage in the fight. Dark Jedi feed off of the emotions of their opponents, but apprentices can't gain any advantage of it; only masters like Sidious and to some degree Vader can "feed" off the anger of their opponents.

I already knew the romantic subplot is forced; I expected it as an allusion to the prequel. More to the point, it's also an allusion to the expanded universe novels, in which the daughter of Leia/Han ended up marrying an ex-Imperial ace pilot.

My complaints of a dramatic freak out from the opposition aren't unwarranted. In this very board, I saw that much from lulz. >>#101816, who even admitted >>#101713, he didn't give a shit about the series to begin with. And I've had this experience with a few other shitposters in the "TFA is code for SJW" bandwagon.

"It would be very hard to argue that there was real romantic intent going on at this point." Oh please. Everyone raised their eyebrows at the scene when kid Anakin first gave Padme that look but it was pretty obvious then something was going to happen of it, and it was incredibly forced in the Episode II, III, and damn near everywhere in between.

>Anakin is still not main character material, Jar Jar had more significance
Do I really have to break down every single scene in Phantom Menace to show how Anakin Skywalker has main character significance (I totally will if you want)? Because he's literally dubbed "The Chosen One who will bring Balance to the Force" in this very film.

Let's go over the rest
Forced romance with a progressive director is just a forced romance. In a franchise with interspecies relations, interracial romance shouldn't even be remotely differentiated. It's just a forced romance; flawed in its own right, but not in slant.

Finn's status of an ex-stormtrooper makes the case that there's people of other color within the First Order - his backstory is proof they're for the most part everyday citizens that were taken since children and indoctrinated into the Order. I'd be more bothered by the fact that the First Order lacks any case for depth that the Expanded Universe showed the bad guys could've had. Where I think this complaint has some validity is that JJ Abrams opens an opportunity to expound on a more depthful antagonist, implying that Finn has some level of initial relationship with former squadmates, and completely shuts the door on that opportunity, leaving us waiting for what's to come of it in the next film.
4. I don't understand what you mean by this point.

5. I don't doubt JJ Abrams puts himself into his work, as evident by his portrayal of the Star Trek films, but not in the political sense your critiques make it out to be. Rather, in Star Trek, he demonstrated a lack of care for the depth that the original Star Trek films presented and went for a more action-case scenario, like something of the original Star Wars films (probably why TFA is mostly hard-on-for-EPIV: The Movie).

I could pick apart the film and critique JJ Abrams depictions of both flawed and well-done, but of the numerous flaws the film has, none of them are the extensive political nature /pol/ makes 'em
#102769 to #102768 - anon
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#KyloRekt
#102742 - lotengo
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twitter.com/hashtag/Rapefugees

Its going viral, plz help to keep it up
#102893 to #102742 - theism ONLINE
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"If I share a hashtag maybe I can pretend to actually be doing something without having to get off my fat fucking ass."
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#102746 to #102745 - lotengo
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Dont use that as an argument, its to easy to debunk

Its old footage from Egypt.
#102747 to #102746 - marinepenguin
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Ah, found it in a thread and it made me upset and posted it as soon as I saw it. So I apologize.
#102748 to #102747 - lotengo
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Its sae to use here, but it doesnt hold up in arguments over the internet.

If you want to be 100% sure its legit look back at a few news article about the whole rape fest. In the pictures that compliments the articles 9 out of 10 times you either see the Koln train station or its cathedral. Both are very recognizable buildings. Check any vid and see if you can spot either of them in the background.

Its doesnt HAVE to include one of those, but if it does, its 100% legit
#102792 to #102748 - alimais ONLINE
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Egypt has the same problem with men from the Muslim Brotherhood harassing women, though. I only have a Germany report on how they harass and try to rape women in Egypt
#102706 - feelythefeel
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>Gorillas can be trained to have an IQ of up to 95
>Sub-Suharan Sudanese negroes have an average IQ of 67
Are they even people at this point? The ancient Persian theory that they're just beasts in human skin is starting to sound appealing.
#102895 to #102706 - theism ONLINE
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What's the maximum IQ in those countries?
#102914 to #102895 - feelythefeel
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#102760
#102916 to #102914 - theism ONLINE
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That doesn't answer the question I asked.
#102923 to #102916 - feelythefeel
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No, but it makes your question irrelevant.
#102924 to #102923 - theism ONLINE
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It really doesn't. If the maximum of these countries exceeds the maximum of an ape and the average exceeds the average then they do outperform an ape.
#102926 to #102924 - feelythefeel
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Why do idiots like to use literally so much? But I digress, I never said a Sudanese couldn't outperform an ape. #102760
#102928 to #102926 - theism ONLINE
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I didn't use literally. What the fuck are you talking about?

That is exactly what you said.
#102929 to #102928 - feelythefeel
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My mistake, I misread really. People use that word to much. But you know what that number means, don't you?
#102930 to #102929 - theism ONLINE
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You're referring to the comment number yes I'm aware, that comment doesn't answer every response you know.
#102932 to #102930 - feelythefeel
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Yes it does. If your average citizen is unable to outperform the smartest ape, there's something wrong with your society.
#102933 to #102932 - theism ONLINE
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Well it is the smartest ape. And it's IQ is fairly close to our average. Maybe apes are just smarter than you think.
#102935 to #102933 - feelythefeel
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Most apes are too unintelligent to even have an IQ score, Koko had to be trained from birth to be this smart.
#102936 to #102935 - theism ONLINE
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Exactly. Koko had a fairly rigorous education scheme. Many of these countries lack basic public education.
#102938 to #102936 - feelythefeel
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But we're human. It isn't normal for humans to be this stupid. Who do you blame for it?
#102940 to #102938 - theism ONLINE
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Whoever created the political and economic climate that prevented these countries from providing basic public services. If we look at history, it should be fairly obvious who was responsible.
#102941 to #102940 - feelythefeel
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Africans.
#102944 to #102941 - theism ONLINE
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That would be a fairly myopic perspective to hold.
#102948 to #102944 - feelythefeel
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How? Why can't Africans be held accountable for their own nations? We are for ours.
#102963 to #102948 - theism ONLINE
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This WAS the topic but fine by me.
#102961 to #102948 - theism ONLINE
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That Canadians were British citizens and Africans weren't?
#102962 to #102961 - feelythefeel
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I just realized, we're getting far off topic. Can we just stop here? This has been going on all day.
#102958 to #102948 - theism ONLINE
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Then your colonial benefactors were more accommodating of your needs. Probably because they saw you as citizens, not resources.
#102959 to #102958 - feelythefeel
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Citation?
#102950 to #102948 - theism ONLINE
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Our countries weren't occupied by foreign empires that funneled resources out.
#102953 to #102950 - feelythefeel
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I live in Canada. Think again.
#102777 to #102706 - marinepenguin
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But seriously, the average human IQ is 100. And actually, any score between 85-115 is considered in the average range.

And what you posted wasn't even true.

iq-research.org/en/page/average-iq-by-country
#102778 to #102777 - marinepenguin
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I thought that 67 was a 97. Which is one reason I was confused because that's fairly normal. There are many African and poverty-stricken nations with even below 60. While other African nations score in the normal range.
#102827 to #102778 - feelythefeel
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And who's fault is that?
#102836 to #102827 - marinepenguin
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Who's fault is it that Africa and the middle east is full of poverty?

Well that's a far longer discussion that is much less cut and dry than "they're black".
#102868 to #102836 - feelythefeel
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It's not Europe's fault. Colonization is a blessing to those who are willing to take it (Read: The new world, Asia, Oceania, etc). It's not China's fault, considering Africa's problems outlive China's involvement.

Who?
#102894 to #102868 - theism ONLINE
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Standard of living pre colonization was higher for African Nations. Colonization only benefited the colonizers and a small black elite.
#102913 to #102894 - feelythefeel
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Ci -fucking-tation. At the very least, the standard was higher during colonization.
#102921 to #102913 - theism ONLINE
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Do you have a citation?
#102925 to #102922 - theism ONLINE
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Do you have a link to the actual paper or something that includes actual metrics?
#102927 to #102925 - feelythefeel
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The pdf is literally in the first paragraph. And yes, that is how you use the word "literally".
#102931 to #102927 - theism ONLINE
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My mistake. It seems the paper uses GDP as the indicator of colonial success. I may have missed the point where this was addressed but GDP doesn't correlate to quality of life for all citizens if wealth is not distributed.
#102934 to #102931 - feelythefeel
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A GDP increase of 40% is still nothing to sneeze at. And yes, it is addressed, going so far as to rank the colonial powers by how benificial they were.
#102937 to #102934 - theism ONLINE
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Again, the only data is GDP. And while the increase is sizable if it doesn't benefit the country, only the colonial elite, it's not a benefit to the natives.
#102939 to #102937 - feelythefeel
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GDP implies infrastructure, doesn't it?
#102942 to #102939 - theism ONLINE
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Not necessarily. It doesn't mean the infrastructure was evenly distributed. The US has a fairly high GDP but look at Detroit. It's possible that the vast majority of Africans lived in places as bad or worse than that.
#102943 to #102942 - feelythefeel
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I don't blame the English for Detroit.
#102945 to #102943 - theism ONLINE
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Detroit is the way it is because of the collapse of US manufacturing but that's not the point of the analogy. You're changing the subject. If a GDP increase does not benefit the majority of a population, it cannot be said to be a good thing for that population. You would have to demonstrate that increase corresponded to better infrastructure for the native population to make your point.
#102957 to #102945 - feelythefeel
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Citation that this was a standard practice across Africa?
#102960 to #102957 - theism ONLINE
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Do you have a citation that the infrastructure built was for the benefit of the majority?
#102952 to #102945 - feelythefeel
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How can they increase the GDP of a agrarian economy by 40% by only helping a minority?
#102955 to #102952 - theism ONLINE
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Underpaying workers and consolidating wealth. It's the foundation of European feudalism.
#102947 to #102945 - feelythefeel
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How do you build hospitals, roads and schools and then have it be your fault when those things are destroyed shortly after you leave?
#102949 to #102947 - theism ONLINE
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Can you demonstrate they actually built those utilities for the majority of the population and not just a minority?
#102880 to #102868 - marinepenguin
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It's more to do with the end of colonization and the arbitrary borders drawn by the European powers. The European borders were created along geographic lines like in Europe, or just by random lines separating where each nation had claimed land. This completely ignored any ethnic lines and separated many groups while grouping previously hostile groups together. This led to civil war and unrest for decades in an area that was already underdeveloped. Democracies fall under such conditions and the only stable states are brutal dictatorships. You see the same thing happening in the middle east, especially I'm Iraq Where the Shiites and Sunnis both want their seperate states, along with the Kurds, Syria and Turkey Armenians and Kurds .
#102885 to #102880 - feelythefeel
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The individual factors of dividing Africa were so intense and so varied that you would have failed in some core respect no matter which way you looked at it. Either you piss of Africans, you piss off Europeans, or you create doomed states. A cow pie won't taste good no matter how you slice it.
#102887 to #102885 - marinepenguin
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I'm not criticizing the way the Europeans drew up the borders. I'm just saying that the way the borders were drawn up led to the civil unrest that extended the period of poverty many of these nations experienced. It's only just now, after 40 years of problems, that some nations have begun to progress. Nigeria is a good example of a nation that has come a very long way these past two decades.
#102888 to #102887 - feelythefeel
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If there's no reasonable way to draw the border's that would fix Africa' problems, maybe it's not the borders.
#102891 to #102888 - marinepenguin
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I didn't say that there wasn't a reasonable way, there definitely could have been a better way to do it, but whether or not that would translate into less poverty in modern Africa is speculation. There's never just one reason for something happening, economic development over time is a complicated affair that's influenced by many things.
#102758 to #102706 - pebar ONLINE
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trained to have... up to... ie max
vs average

are you retarded?
#102760 to #102758 - feelythefeel
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It really shouldn't be that hard to outdo the maximum of a fucking ape.
#102752 to #102706 - anon
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Gorillas have a higher IQ then most Republicans.
#102753 to #102752 - feelythefeel
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>most
>read: the lesser half of a few states
Also, I said up to. It's an estimate of Koko's IQ, which extends much lower (But not 67 low).
#102808 to #102753 - drastronomy ONLINE
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Research that pic a little bit, and you will find it is completely wrong.
He posted that on one of my posts a while ago - just referred to what i found when researching (cannot remember what i found - prob iq statistics by state) - and then he stopped shitposting
#102828 to #102808 - feelythefeel
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Okay, thanks.
#102754 to #102753 - anon
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Republican niggers?
#102773 to #102754 - youregaylol
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most niggers are from the south dummy, you're proving his point

why do I even bother replying to anons?

best go back to hide all I think
#102755 to #102754 - feelythefeel
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Not as bad as Democrat niggers ;)
#102756 to #102755 - anon
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They are just smarter.
#102757 to #102756 - feelythefeel
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I'm not going to jump to their defense, go at 'er.
#102741 to #102706 - thumbfortrump
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What's the average IQ of a gorilla?
What's the potential IQ of a Sudanese?

Your argument is flawed.
#102743 to #102741 - feelythefeel
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I'm not saying that Africans can't be smart, I'm saying that it says a lot about your society when there are gorillas that are smarter than your people.
#102759 to #102743 - pebar ONLINE
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>I'm not saying that Africans can't be smart

yes you are
#102761 to #102759 - feelythefeel
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When?
#102717 to #102706 - youregaylol
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I come back after a bit and expect a hivemind of social justice, then I see your post at the top of the page.

Good show.
#102714 to #102706 - redandgreen
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Great, another retarded Nazi.

If you include Hong Kong as a separate country the 5 highest ranked countries in terms of IQ are all Asian. So, you'd be OK with asians treating whites as subhuman, right?

You'd be on much stronger ground if your argument was to treat gorillas with something closer to human rights status but that argument is probably too deep for you.
#102715 to #102714 - anon
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>a difference of about 5 points between humans is the same as a difference of 30 between humans and apes
>I'm retarded
#102718 to #102715 - redandgreen
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You're the one arguing that one race be treated worse on the basis of average IQ test score in Somalia when the much stronger correlation is between average IQ score and poverty.

So, yes, you're retarded.
#102720 to #102718 - anon
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>putting words in ny mouth
I'm not going to bother with such low end debate, red. The worst I advocate is deporting people and leaving them be.
#102727 to #102720 - marinepenguin
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Honestly in the long run I couldn't see you "leaving them be" after deporting them. Maybe at first, but after some time there'd be conflict.
#102736 to #102727 - feelythefeel
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That's up to opinion, really.
#102737 to #102736 - marinepenguin
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True. Im just saying most times when a nation is dealing with a group they find inferior, the inferior group doesn't usually get left alone.
#102738 to #102737 - feelythefeel
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Most societies aren't National Socialist.
#102725 to #102720 - redandgreen
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Because deporting people on the basis of race is reasonable, right?

"Are they even people at this point?"

History shows that dehumanising groups of people always ends well for everyone, right? You're the one lacking in humanity and frankly self-awareness.
#102735 to #102725 - anon
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Also, that part you quoted was more of a joke. They are people. Just very biologically backwards ones.
#102734 to #102725 - anon
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The whole point of national socialism is to create a society at peace with itself, and to enable other societies to do the same. How are we supposed to do that when we merge multiple societies together that clash rather than mesh? Also, can we stop with the ad-hominem?
#102853 to #102734 - redandgreen
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The way National Socialism does that is by killing everyone that disagrees with them. Peaceful my ass.
#102710 to #102706 - marinepenguin
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A black man made peanut butter and for that they can stay.
#102695 - feelythefeel
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The death knell of a democracy is rung when its citizenry realize that they can simply vote themselves the nation's revenue, and by way of voting, plunder the state.

Democracy always results in "Fission Mailed".
#102699 to #102695 - thumbfortrump
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The hell is "fission mailed". Post order nukes?
#102701 to #102699 - feelythefeel
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A reference to something worth referencing.
#102704 to #102701 - thumbfortrump
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Do you want a great following? Like be a political leader?
#102705 to #102704 - feelythefeel
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Potentially.
#102707 to #102705 - thumbfortrump
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Then why don't you explain what it means instead of some enigma. How can become a leader if you're not willing to explain what you're saying.
#102708 to #102707 - feelythefeel
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I didn't want to spoil MGS2. Do you want me to?
#102709 to #102708 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
YES!
#102712 to #102709 - feelythefeel
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There's a rogue AI that aims to "protect humanity from itself". It justifies this by pointing out the flaws of neo-liberalist societies. "Fission Mailed" is a phrase I use to reference the speech in which this is all pointed out, as it comes from a fake "Mission Failed" message you recieve shortly before.
#102689 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Quite frankly not possible, there is simply too much sand.

Trump 1 - Friedman 0
#102687 - anon
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**anonymous rolled user gibusernamepls **
#102688 to #102687 - gibusernamepls ONLINE
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#102690 to #102688 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Haha, who is this guy?
#102691 to #102690 - gibusernamepls ONLINE
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I have no idea, unfortunately
#102665 - Tyranitar
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Do people actually believe anything Ted Nugent says from a political standpoint? The dude literally shit his pants to avoid being drafted, why are we calling him an American patriot?
#102719 to #102665 - youregaylol
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Assuming that he did shit his pants, how does that effect the believability of his statements?

He's spot on in regards to guns and political correctness.
#102684 to #102665 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Dude he's not the first right winger to be utterly full of shit or a fucking coward.. Cheney 5 deferments to avoid Vietnam, bush going awol from the Texas national guard
#102672 to #102665 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
He's a pussy, and only other pussies listen to him.
#102674 to #102672 - lotengo
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Can you tell me when the elections are?

Iowa is first right? When are they going to vote?
#102678 to #102674 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I think Iowa is February 1. Yeah, they're first.
#102664 - victorytoaster
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(01/07/2016) [-]
counting down the days boys
#102668 to #102664 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
As long as Trump gives me the 200 nukes like he promised.
#102662 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Diplomatic source in the White House: "It will be difficult preventing North Korea from obtaining nuclear weapons."

No it won't you piece of shit faggot. You just bomb them, right here right now. It's this sort of spineless dipolomacy that let the commies obtain the bomb. As soon as someone show interest in obtaining nukes, you frealking annihilate them.
#102675 to #102662 - lotengo
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I agree with you on a lot of things, but this one is a bit more complex considering NK has Seoul city of milions at gunpoint.
#102677 to #102675 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Just evacuate. A mad dictator with a nuclear weapon is not only a regional concern. Same goes for states such as Pakistan and Iran. These regimes manage to get their hands on the most powerful weapons in the world because we're too slow to act.
#102681 to #102677 - lotengo
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Evacuating Seoul (metropolitan area has 25.600.000 residents as of 2012) might be a tad complex.

But you are right, muslims with nukes can not end in a good manner
#102682 to #102681 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I agree that handling the North Korea issue won't be a walk in the park, but these sorts of situations seldom provide for easy solutions. Fact is that the longer we wait to react, the greater the problem grows. North Korea has shown no signs of good faith, and has only given the world better reason for a coordinated intervention. Even China and Russia, who has been reluctant in the security council, are finally beginning to acknowledge the fact that the Kim family has no future on the Korean peninsula. As of now Seoul risks massive shelling and invasion by ground troops. But if North Korea manages to put a nuclear warhead on top of a missile, all of South Korea is at stake.
#102667 to #102662 - anon
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LOL
#102671 to #102667 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Fuck off anon.
#102663 to #102662 - pebar ONLINE
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(01/07/2016) [-]
the remake of red dawn was a shit movie

don't make it real life
#102670 to #102663 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
You're retarded if you think the events in the movie were even remotely plausible.
#102660 - marinepenguin
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I don't agree with everything on PJ media. But I really enjoy listening to Bill Whittle.

Bill Whittle on The Narrative: The origins of Political Correctness
#102658 - lotengo
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I..i...i have a bunch of turtles in my pockets.

This is real, you cant make it up

edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/jeb-bush-turtle-tortoise-joyful/
Say it with me /politics/

SLOW ENEGERGY
L
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E
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G
Y
#102721 to #102658 - youregaylol
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(01/07/2016) [-]
The man ate so much mexican cunt that he came out catholic and speaking spanish, I think that the only people voting for him are people with his last name.
#102685 to #102658 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Lotengo I know you're Dutch and u love Gold and tight pants, but even as dumb as Americans are they won't vote another bush into the white house
#102740 to #102685 - lotengo
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I knowm this is just for the funny
#102656 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
>This is what feelythefeel actually believes.
#102723 to #102656 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Any post you make that you have to thumb up yourself immeditaley means that you have low self confidence.
#102696 to #102656 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Funny, I don't remember saying that.
#102632 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
A great nation is inhabited by men who would give their lives, women who would give their husbands and sons, and leaders who would give their all, all for the good of the nation and her people. Nothing worth building can be so built without sacrafice.
#102697 to #102632 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
>almost all of the people who disagree with me are anons
I must be doing something right.
#102669 to #102632 - anon
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This is why people think you are retarded.
#102641 to #102632 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Piece of shit fascist
#102635 to #102632 - pebar ONLINE
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a nation that wants its citizens to die for it is a bad nation
#102724 to #102635 - youregaylol
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(01/07/2016) [-]
so every nation is a bad nation.

damn Illuminati
#102637 to #102635 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Ideally speaking, war should be declared conservatively, but fought liberally.
#102640 to #102637 - akkere
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(01/07/2016) [-]
A war should be fought conservatively as well. If you're just looking to fight battles for the sake of fighting them, that makes you less a leader and more a sociopath.
#102643 to #102640 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
It's not battles for the sake of battles, I'm espousing total war tactics.
#102644 to #102643 - akkere
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Tactics by definition alone is about fighting as conservatively as possible.
#102647 to #102644 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
>doesn't know about blitzkrieg
#102650 to #102647 - marinepenguin
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The whole point of a blitzkrieg is to eliminate the enemies ability to react and mobilize by attacking as swiftly , precise, and devastating as possible. Followed by overwhelming force before they can recover. It's to create as much damage as possible while taking as few casualties as possible. It's pretty conservative in nature.
#102651 to #102650 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
>overwelming force
>conservative
#102652 to #102651 - marinepenguin
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Except the whole thing falls apart without the whole thing that makes it conservative in the first place.
#102653 to #102652 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I'm not saying we shoild airdrop berserkers, just don't half ass it.
#102654 to #102653 - marinepenguin
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(01/07/2016) [-]
You mean.... ODSTs???

someday hopefully.....
#102648 to #102647 - akkere
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Except what's known as "Blitzkrieg" wasn't a formulated doctrine but the result of spur-of-the-moment reactions to circumstances as they were happening. Colonel Karl-Heinz Frassier, a retired Germany Army official, confirmed this himself after going over countless military documents during his career as a military historian.

Pull your head out of the Nazi cliches and do some dynamic research for once.
#102649 to #102648 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
>citation
#102659 to #102657 - feelythefeel
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All this says is that the blitzkrieg is a Clausewitzean doctrine with ad-hoc elements. Where does it say that the German military was an improv club?
#102698 to #102659 - akkere
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Page 34 of the book itself.
#102702 to #102698 - feelythefeel
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Okay, I'll just spend 40 bucks and get back to you when I've read it.
#102703 to #102702 - akkere
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Contact your local library. That's where I got it from.
If you have a legitimate interest in a topic, you should be completely willing to seek in-depth publications on it. If you're only seeking limited sources and blogs, then you're just in it for self-appeal.
#102633 to #102632 - anon
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And yet the people so eager for bloodshed are never the ones to put themselves on the front lives. In the US we call them "chickenhawks"
#102642 to #102633 - anon
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Yeah, Republicans
#102726 to #102642 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Remind me, was Bernie on the front lines in Nam or was he crying to negros and beardlegs in some college his daddy sent him too.

The "chickenhawk" moniker would be more effective if liberals actually fought any wars.

At this point it's like a schoolyard nerd calling all the kids cowards for saying that the bully deserves to be punched. But what is a liberal if not a coward?
#102776 to #102726 - anon
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#102645 to #102642 - marinepenguin
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Lol
#102638 to #102633 - feelythefeel
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#102631 - feelythefeel
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Fear of invalidation is a poison to the rational mind. One can never learn to be right so long as he refuses to be wrong.
#102673 to #102631 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Then others around him will have to acknowledge that as well. The fear comes from the judgement of those who were right. If a politician is wrong once, you can be sure the opposition will bring it up time and time again.
#102627 - canyou
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Have you guys seen MSNBC's ominous and awkward warning to the Clinton campaign about Trump?

Notice how he ends the sentence with "even rape..."
#102619 - pebar ONLINE
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(01/06/2016) [-]
top kek,
as they say....
#102728 to #102619 - youregaylol
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(01/07/2016) [-]
>mocking other political beliefs as infantile and appealing to losers
>is a libertarian
#102634 to #102619 - Zaxplab
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Nazis and Commies shouldn't be considered real Americans.
#102666 to #102634 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Woody Guthrie- This Land Is Your Land Woody Guthrie was a Communist.
#102639 to #102634 - pebar ONLINE
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I love these
#102621 to #102619 - thumbfortrump
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(01/06/2016) [-]
>claim to be masterrace
>somehow get smeggledorfed by the inferior race time and time again
#102729 to #102621 - youregaylol
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Would Mike Tyson be less of a boxer than his opponent if his opponent won the fight by stabbing him?
#102731 to #102729 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Boxing has established rules. The acquisition of power in real life doesn't.
#102733 to #102731 - youregaylol
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(01/07/2016) [-]
The acquisition of power can take many forms, many involving honor, strength, wisdom, and temperance.

It can also take on the form of deception, bribery, low cunning, and intimidation.

The latter group of people has an advantage over the former in our modern society.

The idea that there are no established rules to gain power is a byproduct of the times we live in.

Is it your contention that jews do not have a disproportionate amount or influence in media and finance?
#102739 to #102733 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Do you believe in darwinism? Survival of the fittest?

I would also use deception and low cunning if my enemy wished to end me and my family. You will never, ever believe a jew can be a good person. In your world, it is simply impossible for someone born by jewish parents to be good. Why then, if this is your belief, should he ever approach you with honor and temperance?

About the amount of jewish people in media and finance, this is not for me to decide. This is decided by people themselves whether they want to use these medias and banks or not. If this is a good thing I'm not sure. But I will never decide that people should be banned from using them.
#102744 to #102739 - youregaylol
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(01/07/2016) [-]
"You will never, ever believe a jew can be a good person. In your world, it is simply impossible for someone born by jewish parents to be good."

Is that stereotyping I hear? Because I'm right wing I must hate all jews? Not very tolerant of you, almost a hate crime.

I don't wish any harm on any jewish person simply because they're jewish. i do wish harm on the people attacking and dismantling my race and culture. It just so happens that many on these people are jews, but they're also white, black, and hispanic. All the colors of the rainbow line up behind the kill whitey bandwagon nowadays.

If we lived in a truly Darwinist society I'd venture to say that Jews wouldn't exist at all, at least not in the position they're in now. Blacks would be half eradicated and still enslaved, the middle east fully colonized and asia subjugated to a united Europe.

But we don't live by survival of the fittest. We have tempered every action for the most part with mercy, kindness, and honor, from a historical perspective. Even during the worst of slavery there was still an outcry whenever a slave was thoroughly mistreated I'd google a certain New Orleans Madam during slavery for an apt reference .

So when deception is used so pervasively it;s effective, yes, but to regard that race as "better" is suspect. If whites were more skilled at thievery than blacks does that make them better than blacks? In matters of thievery, yes, but as a whole, no.

I respect the people who built their society on their own through strength and will over the people leeched off that society for their own gain at the expense of others.
#102783 to #102744 - mixednuts
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(01/08/2016) [-]
>Darwinist
>Society

Pick one. You can't have natural selection while living away from nature.
#102785 to #102783 - youregaylol
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(01/08/2016) [-]
ok
#102749 to #102744 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Okay then, most right wingers I've discussed with have never acknowledged that jews are capable of being good individuals, so kudos.
#102750 to #102749 - youregaylol
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I've personally never heard you acknowledge that people who swim aren't necessarily rapists, therefore you believe that people who swim are rapists.
#102751 to #102750 - thumbfortrump
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Yes it's a curious world.
#102614 - anon
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#102694 to #102614 - indigenouslotion
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Germany.
Who is this guy?
#102617 to #102614 - thumbfortrump
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(01/06/2016) [-]
Trying to figure out what the point of this picture is.
#102616 to #102614 - pebar ONLINE
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(01/06/2016) [-]
Germany?
Pretty sure that's the arch in Berlin
#102610 - lotengo
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(01/06/2016) [-]
UNLIMITED POWER


thumbfortrump
#102628 to #102610 - canyou
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Has Nabisco taken a hit
#102676 to #102628 - lotengo
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(01/07/2016) [-]
I dont know what a Nabisco is.

Is it anime?
#102680 to #102676 - canyou
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Oreo company that just moved to Mexico. Trump Kris promising to never eat oreos again
#102683 to #102680 - lotengo
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(01/07/2016) [-]
Honestly, i think Oreo's are overrated as fuck.
Its a meme-food like bacon.

The paste in the center is very good but the cookie itself is nothing special. And i dont know how its in the US but these things are crazy expensive here.
#102686 to #102683 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
They're cheap... But they've been around a long time
#102618 to #102610 - akkere
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(01/06/2016) [-]
Macy's Stock has been on the verge of plummeting long before Trump's campaigning tho.
Their lack of any strong online model has been dragging them down and leaving them vulnerable to competitors like Amazon, Target, and the like who provide clothing in addition to a serviceable online marketing utility. This in conjunction with declining tourist sales has lead to Macy's bleeding out stock prices since Mid-Summer of 2015.
www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/09/11/why-macys-dropped-15-in-august.aspx
www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/08/12/macys-q2-earnings/31523453/
#102611 to #102610 - thumbfortrump
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(01/06/2016) [-]
That's what disloyal, traitorous bastards get.
#102602 - feelythefeel
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(01/06/2016) [-]
>Humantale
>soc jus is alienating fandom autists
>soc jus is already alienating moderates
>soc jus is alienating everybody
THIS IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE
TO BE AT THE DAWN OF A NEW AGE
IT FEELS LIKE EVERYBODY GETTING PISSED OF AT SHITTY MEMES
#102693 to #102602 - anon
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(01/07/2016) [-]
if it make you feel any better, it's inactive.

They got blown the fuck out and they couldn't make up enough responses to they quit.