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#60661 - anonymous (03/29/2014) [-]
From your point of view, how does Capitalism or National Socialism work Depending on which side you prefer . State the Key factors of your side based on the main ideology it was founded from Ie. Libertarians following Milton Friedman would state their argument over is "Free Society" , and the Alternative to the Status Quo Essientially the perfect Cap/Nat-Sol world such as Milton Friedman's "Free Society" . Refrain from stating "Flaws" in the opposing Ideology in your primary ideology and follow up in another half for organization reasons.
User avatar #60666 to #60661 - undeadwill (03/30/2014) [-]
Capitalism functions through competition and free markets.These two factors make it able to really customize a society to the desires of the buying public. It also effectively deals with major issues of, shortages and surpluses. It functions on what is possible.

Well capitalism is the most efficient system out there as the incentives to specialize, and maximize potential growth are always there, all while producing the goods and services society desires and needs very quickly. It improves the standard of living of even the poorest among us.

Our societies tend to have more free time and enjoy a greater variety in products so that a person can find the one that best suits them.

So even if you disagree with us, our people are still better off.
#60747 to #60666 - minibeep (03/31/2014) [-]
i thought capitalism worked in the way that there is no way to compete with big corporations and industrys so there is basically no competition?
User avatar #60748 to #60747 - undeadwill (03/31/2014) [-]
Actually there is, in capitalism smaller firms have often overcome larger firms by being creative enough.

Its under a mixed economy is where you see corporations take over at the expense of small business
User avatar #60753 to #60748 - johnstuartmill (03/31/2014) [-]
A good example would be Apple taking the lead past BIM even though they started in a garage and BIM was an international powerhouse.
User avatar #60754 to #60753 - undeadwill (03/31/2014) [-]
And Valve vs EA
local restaurants vs chains

However more and more this is disappearing due to government regulations.
#60795 to #60754 - johnstuartmill (03/31/2014) [-]
So you and I combined have 2 good examples of a smaller business overtaking a larger one.
So you and I combined have 2 good examples of a smaller business overtaking a larger one.
#60653 - anonymous (03/29/2014) [-]
#60654 to #60653 - anonymous (03/29/2014) [-]
Best president
User avatar #60651 - schnizel (03/29/2014) [-]
Pebar, how would you like to live somewhere with a lot of rivers and mountains.
User avatar #60655 to #60651 - pebar (03/29/2014) [-]
that sounds nice
User avatar #60652 to #60651 - schnizel (03/29/2014) [-]
Tested your theory in Total War, I'm rich as fuck now.
But I did it kind of my way, with a bit of things.
User avatar #60662 to #60652 - teoragnar (03/29/2014) [-]
What theory?
User avatar #60672 to #60662 - schnizel (03/30/2014) [-]
I invested more in production rather than war and I allied most of Europe and we are genociding kebab right now.
User avatar #60719 to #60672 - gengarnightmare (03/30/2014) [-]
which total war game? price on steam?
User avatar #60722 to #60719 - schnizel (03/31/2014) [-]
Medieval 2
IDK
I think it's cheap
User avatar #60650 to #60644 - schnizel (03/29/2014) [-]
How long until it starts?
User avatar #60671 to #60650 - undeadwill (03/30/2014) [-]
You missed it
User avatar #60679 to #60673 - undeadwill (03/30/2014) [-]
But I didn't.
User avatar #60638 - feelythefeel (03/28/2014) [-]
ITT: Discussion/debate about the political ramifications of modern social justice.

I'm generally left wing and even I think it's a pox.
#60665 to #60638 - anonymous (03/30/2014) [-]
It's the way of the future.
#60670 to #60665 - anonymous (03/30/2014) [-]
she forgot "retarded(sorry)"
User avatar #60668 to #60665 - jadewest (03/30/2014) [-]
this saddens me
#60646 to #60638 - anonymous (03/29/2014) [-]
User avatar #60645 to #60638 - undeadwill (03/29/2014) [-]
"oppressed" becoming oppressors
#60667 to #60645 - anonymous (03/30/2014) [-]
More like moralistic self-righteous snobs becoming oppressors on behalf of the "oppressed."
User avatar #60642 to #60638 - ablueguy (03/29/2014) [-]
Its pretty gross the way they display their form of justice.
It usually degenerates to mob rule, and they target "privileged" (ugh, can hardly say that anymore without a shudder of revulsion) groups, often over issues that seem increasingly trivial in America and Europe In my opinion America is becoming too tolerant of ugly behavior from minority groups, and more intolerant of normal behavior from the traditional majority... if that makes any sense . The "privileged" are guilt tripped and bullied, over things they never actually took part in... and that's not justice. If guilt is determined only by vague connections to a so called "privileged" group, and not actual perpetration of an immoral act, then really, you can not call that justice.
#60639 to #60638 - anonymous (03/28/2014) [-]
What is this social "justice" your talking about?
You mean them queers and feminazis and commies trying to force themselves into the top position of the social hierarchy? The ones who want to put themselves undeservedly at the top of the ladder, instead of near the bottom in their rightful place, just above the jews and kebabs?

User avatar #60640 to #60639 - feelythefeel (03/28/2014) [-]
If you want to put it like that, sure.
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#60636 - minibeep (03/28/2014) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKcpm_fm8mQ
schnizel this is cool
User avatar #60649 to #60636 - schnizel (03/29/2014) [-]
10/10
#60571 - valeriya (03/28/2014) [-]
You know I think this board is a living case for authoritarianism in general.
#60587 to #60571 - valeriya (03/28/2014) [-]
Undeadwill Schnizel netzjager

In the year and a bit since I've been semi-regularly checking this board, a lot of people have just repeated the same topics and same arguments over and over and over again, even if a contrary argument is evidently proved so I've got to assume you're either all stubborn or all stupid. I only post to either shit-fling or if someone is breaking the stupidmeter, if this was a legislature it'd be terrible.
User avatar #60600 to #60587 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Jews....
User avatar #60593 to #60587 - netzjager (03/28/2014) [-]
I have to agree. I find having an argument (to prove someone wrong) is a waste of time and knowledge when we all have a different point of view that we can learn from. On the other hand, a debate (to built upon and correct one's own view) works better than butting heads hoping you will win the next arguement agian and agian and agian. Though in Legislation, Party agendas can cloud the participants' view of the other side, so you will have more arguing then real debating when it comes to major issues since they are more focused on the Party's goals.
User avatar #60588 to #60587 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Explain more.
#60589 to #60588 - valeriya (03/28/2014) [-]
That's pretty much it, put people in groups they're stupid so they need to be told what to do in order for any progress to be made.
User avatar #60596 to #60589 - netzjager (03/28/2014) [-]
Like the ending sentence to my previous comment, Party Agendas like that are rarely helpful since they force their members to a certain view point whether they truly understand it or not.

Speaking of Authoritarian, do you have a major view point for Authoritarianism? I've been looking for a model over that form of Govt for a short time now.
#60599 to #60596 - valeriya (03/28/2014) [-]
Party agendas can mean that things actually get done, and that progress is made, you've also got to remember that in most systems they don't -have- to follow the line, they just do to advance their career within said party.

I personally am a bit of a law and order person and find it excusable to use force and coercion to restore order to an otherwise disorderly situation, the government is basically the secondary font of power in most countries after the military Think about it if a military revolts then a government had only a matter of time to live can be used to also cause social and political change from above, (You can see this in a lot of countries histories Russia, the United Kingdom, even the USA) so the government can and does play a role in shaping society and individuals, and I think it's right for them to. The government is basically the second to top man in the world. Three examples worth looking at for Authoritarianism is Cromwell's Britain (More the social side) British India (Economic and social side, you could really use any colonial state) Stalin's Russia (Pretty much a cover all for what is good and bad about authoritarian governments)
User avatar #60606 to #60599 - netzjager (03/28/2014) [-]
Thanks for the examples there.

I agree, they don't have to follow the line but Career Politicians tend to more common then your average garden snake and are the most influential people and they tend to corrupt or twist the line in Economic and Political Theories but not purely out of evil self interest leading to the followers to adjust their course in their direction.

I also find in a more Govt reliant state that force through politics and the military are key tools to use for influencing the nation as I believe there is 2 major parts of persuasion that can be used in an infinite amount of ways, Diplomacy and Violence as they are the most prominent aspect the Govt has. Though it trades Person Liberty for Govt Protection if the Govt becomes to large, and since not everybody shares the same ideal Govt, it can lead to issues if not cared for properly much like the vise versa
User avatar #60595 to #60589 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Not really.
#60590 to #60589 - valeriya (03/28/2014) [-]
/Stubborn
User avatar #60586 to #60571 - netzjager (03/28/2014) [-]
Please do explain your point of view
User avatar #60582 to #60571 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Yes please do.
User avatar #60579 to #60571 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Explain?
User avatar #60556 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
schnizel
If you want to understand economics, first you must understand that people are motivated by self interest. People in general will work to maximize their own profit. People in general are not motivated to work for their country at their own cost.
User avatar #60561 to #60556 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Ok, so pebar, tell me what should I do to fix my nation.
And yes
User avatar #60567 to #60561 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
first you must identify the problem
User avatar #60577 to #60567 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Jews. xD
User avatar #60585 to #60577 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
HAHAHA HURRR DA HURR HURRR
SO FAWNNY
User avatar #60601 to #60585 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Thanks.
User avatar #60560 to #60556 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
You regained your honor pebar.
User avatar #60559 to #60556 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Also, I seem to be with the Hayke guy.
A good general always keeps a reserve of troops and maintains control of his units, but if a cohort want to step out of the line for the good of the nation, then by all means go ahead
Roman-Macedonian war
A roman centurion lead his own cohort and flanked the Macedonian left and crushed the pike phalanx
User avatar #60570 to #60559 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
Interesting.... I would have thought you would like Keynes more.
Hayek was a libertarian.
Keynes thought that government could correct for short-run fluctuations in the economy. Or if there was a depression and a bunch of idle resources, government could "stimulate" activity.
User avatar #60573 to #60570 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm still for goverments intervention when it's needed.
User avatar #60569 to #60559 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Ever read the art of war?
User avatar #60591 to #60569 - beatmasterz (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm reading it right now, how coincidental.
User avatar #60597 to #60591 - netzjager (03/28/2014) [-]
Read and Annotated I was bored Its a good read
User avatar #60604 to #60597 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Vode an....
User avatar #60607 to #60604 - netzjager (03/28/2014) [-]
I didn't think anybody would notice that I had the Mandalorian Symbol as my PP
User avatar #60614 to #60607 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm not just any man.
I'm a schnizel
User avatar #60578 to #60569 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
the master of war is the one who wins it without fighting in it
User avatar #60575 to #60569 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
We had a chatroom for that stuff. Want me to make it again sometimes?
#60557 to #60556 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Then it seems I'm not human.
User avatar #60568 to #60557 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
Economics is the science that looks at how people make decisions. Some people make decisions for different reasons so things are often generalized. For example, economics cannot explain why that man over there is standing on his head on the edge of a cliff with a burning $100 bill between his toes. All we know is that he is doing it because he wants to. However, economics can say that in general people will not do that because it is not in their best interest.

If people care about their country more than they care about themselves, then people will work for their country instead of for themselves. But if you look at data and psychology and everything, people are not like that. The whole socialism/communism movement was to try and get people to work for the community and not for self interest, but it never got passed the brain washing phase.
User avatar #60576 to #60568 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
kek I know
But still, I want that all of my countrymen have a job and a stable future.
How can I do that?
User avatar #60592 to #60576 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
Also, don't have government enforce labor unions. Unions operate by keeping other works out of the market, thereby cutting off supply in order to increase their own wages.
User avatar #60583 to #60576 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
It's easy to create jobs. Just take away all the factory equipment and have people use spoons to dig farms. But that is obviously the wrong way.
I think the goal should be to increase the standard of living for the lowest class. To do that, make a friendly environment for business. Don't tax corporations, don't over regulate, don't think that businesses have any duty to society. If it is profitable for people to set up a business in Bosnia, then they well. But if government is being total dick wipe to businesses, then people will not bring their business to Bosnia and people will not have real jobs that make everyone better off.
User avatar #60603 to #60583 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
And what do you mean don't tax corps?
User avatar #60605 to #60603 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
Taxing Corporations - Dr. Milton Friedman Buildings can't pay taxes
People pay taxes
Taxes on corporations are just hidden taxes on people, but they increase the cost of business and decrease investment
User avatar #60609 to #60605 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
But how will the goverment grow, how will they fund their own projects?
User avatar #60610 to #60609 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
by taxing PEOPLE
User avatar #60611 to #60610 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
So, we need more Bosnians.
User avatar #60612 to #60611 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
Sure, or more immigrants
and you'll just have to deal with that.
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User avatar #60613 to #60612 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
>immigrants
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's enough that I have to tolerate the Serbs, and the Croats.
#60631 to #60613 - valeriya (03/28/2014) [-]
>Bosnia importing serbs

What are you mad? Bosnia should just hurry up and submit to Serbia, isn't Bosnia already something like 30% Serbs, and it's only been 20 years since the Serbs were pretty hell bent on removing kebab turks Bosniaks, the last thing the world needs is to have to bomb to shit everything between Sarajevo and Belgrade again.
User avatar #60632 to #60631 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
TOP KEK
That is like saying that the US should give itself up to Mexico.
#60633 to #60632 - valeriya (03/28/2014) [-]
There's a difference between the US and mexico, the US was the winner without any other country backing it. The world decided poor kebab turks Bosniaks needed to be independent I think it'd be great just to dump all the kebab turks Bosniaks in Sarajevo and make it like hong kong in terms of how cramped it is, and just give the rest to Serbia and Croatia.
#60634 to #60633 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
You were saying?
#60635 to #60634 - valeriya (03/28/2014) [-]
HAHAHAHHAHAHA, No, kebab turk Bosniaks are just the turkeys bastard child, didn't even have the guts to fight or their independence only Serbia liberated themselves from the Turks, kebab turk Bosniaks were happy to be the slaves of kebab, how's it feel to be kebab spawn?
User avatar #60615 to #60613 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
suit yourself
#60616 to #60615 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
No matter what, I'll still be a nationalist.
User avatar #60617 to #60616 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
Immigrants are only a problem if they get a hold of government

If they come to the country to work, everyone is happy
If they come to the country to start a business, everyone is happy
If they come to the country to buy products, everyone is happy
User avatar #60620 to #60617 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
There is a lot I learned from the game.
Did you know that Aurelius kicked out the Germans before they were getting high in the borders of the Roman empire. They were hardworking people and cheap, but still, they were barbarians.
User avatar #60619 to #60617 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm pretty pro in Total War
User avatar #60618 to #60617 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
But they don't, they come for welfare and they stink.
Trust me, my own people do that......
But on the political terms I'm your man if you want to make them your bitch.
User avatar #60622 to #60618 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
It's one think to have free access to jobs
it's another to have free access to welfare
User avatar #60623 to #60622 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
wana skype?
User avatar #60624 to #60623 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
preferably not

I have class in 3 minutes so I gotta go now
User avatar #60627 to #60624 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Be cool like me
User avatar #60625 to #60624 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Do a sieg heil to the teacher : D
#60626 to #60625 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
no
no
User avatar #60621 to #60618 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
If they come in for welfare, then you should keep them out.
User avatar #60602 to #60583 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
So, how can I get my payback on da juice, just by having a strong economy?
User avatar #60524 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
undeadwill
User avatar #60525 to #60524 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
State and business

The basis for all government intervention in business in Germany is to be found in the National-Socialist conception of the relation between business and the State. According to the German theory business is subordinated to the State. Formerly, it was believed that the fate of the State and of the nation lay in business, for it was said that business was of such great importance and so powerful that it controlled the State and determined State policies.

In the National-Socialist State the relation between, business and State is just the contrary. Today the State or State policy controls or rules business. I must emphasize that in National-Socialist eyes the State incorporates in itself no absolute value as is the case, for instance, in an absolute monarchy. The supreme value is the nation which we call in German Volksgemeinschaft, the community of the nation. The State is only the form of organization and the manifestation of the will of the people.

This means that the State is not concerned with economic conditions as long as they do not conflict with the welfare of the nation. The principle of private initiative has been maintained. However, where it seems necessary to bring business into line with the welfare of the nation, the State will not hesitate to intervene and direct business into the desired channels. In Germany, contrary to the usual belief, we have no "planned economy", but rather a "directed" economy if I may use such an expression.
User avatar #60528 to #60525 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
So it appears to be you don't know. This is just political dogma that does not describe policy.
User avatar #60533 to #60528 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Also, read the comment number 7.
#60530 to #60528 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm not in charge of the economy, I'm in charge of propaganda.
User avatar #60534 to #60530 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Because you don't understand it. Because people like you refuse to understand economics. And so you fail when you have to run an economy.
User avatar #60538 to #60534 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Also, the war industry was in every way justified.
User avatar #60562 to #60538 - jewishcommunazi (03/28/2014) [-]
Justified of not, it also has to be sustainable.
User avatar #60563 to #60562 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
If only we had control of your oil.....
User avatar #60566 to #60563 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
War is war. It destroys. It does not build.
User avatar #60574 to #60566 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Well, it build machines of war, but no future. But one should be ready to wage war.
User avatar #60536 to #60534 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Ok, please explain to me o master of economy.
User avatar #60537 to #60536 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
What do you want to know?
User avatar #60539 to #60537 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Everything.
User avatar #60540 to #60539 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Maybe you should read up on it for once.
User avatar #60541 to #60540 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Ok, read what?
User avatar #60542 to #60541 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Macro economics
User avatar #60546 to #60542 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Also sum up what was wrong with nat-sco Germany?
User avatar #60548 to #60546 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Everything.
User avatar #60594 to #60549 - revengeforfreeze (03/28/2014) [-]
isn't that spooner
User avatar #60551 to #60549 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
No one on the top knew what worked just what they wanted.
#60555 to #60551 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
What?
What?
User avatar #60565 to #60555 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Hitler wanted cars but did not know how it would help.
User avatar #60543 to #60542 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
PDF link?
User avatar #60544 to #60543 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Its your job not mine I can only answer questions unless pebar would like to have a go.
User avatar #60545 to #60544 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
NIGGA
Maybe you should read up on it for once.
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User avatar #60541 to #60540 - schnizel ONLINE (1 minute ago) [-]
Ok, read what?
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User avatar #60542 to #60541 - undeadwill ONLINE (1 minute ago) [-]
Macro economics
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User avatar #60543 to #60542 - schnizel ONLINE (1 minute ago) [-]
PDF link?
I asked you to give me the link on where should I read about macro economics. And pebar behaves like a shithead sometimes.
User avatar #60558 to #60554 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Aww yeah
Swet rep brah
User avatar #60547 to #60545 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
That is up to you.
User avatar #60550 to #60547 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
You have got to be kidding me?
User avatar #60552 to #60550 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Nope. You need to study up on economics rather than "jews bad lawl"
#60553 to #60552 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Where are to books to study from.
And jews are bad, it's a fact.
User avatar #60564 to #60553 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
So how does one solve unemployment?
User avatar #60598 to #60564 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
We kill Batman?
User avatar #60581 to #60564 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
I don't know how, but I know I must.
That's why I came here.
User avatar #60584 to #60581 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Its rather simple.
User avatar #60572 to #60564 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
I does not.
User avatar #60580 to #60572 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Who would you solve it?
#60466 to #60463 - anonymous (03/28/2014) [-]
you can always count on "I eat liberals" for some unbiased, reasoned input
User avatar #60465 to #60463 - Shiny (03/28/2014) [-]
Disqus comments are a cancer on discourse.
That said, the responses to this were hilarious.
User avatar #60467 to #60465 - cedrock (03/28/2014) [-]
HAH! There's disqus comments aswell...They didn't load for me when I first opened the page...Time to laugh my ass off.
User avatar #60468 to #60467 - Shiny (03/28/2014) [-]
I can't help but imagine them jerking it to their upvotes.
#60470 to #60468 - cedrock (03/28/2014) [-]
Let's be honest thought. Colbert is a redpilled motherfucker, and he speaks his opinion through sarcasm, and I agree with everything he says.
User avatar #60471 to #60470 - Shiny (03/28/2014) [-]
I despise the use of Matrix allegory in politics, it's pretentious and tries to pass off zeal of the convert as rational. Sorry, just nitpicky.

That said, Colbert is a pretty brilliant guy in general. Pretty much 99% of criticism against him is "liberals can't have freedom of speech because my liberal friend is annoying".
User avatar #60472 to #60471 - cedrock (03/28/2014) [-]
I visit /pol/ alot, what do you expect? What I mean by the redpill thing, is that he just speaks the truth, since the news sometimes is misleading and doesn't make much sense.
User avatar #60473 to #60472 - Shiny (03/28/2014) [-]
Well, that's kind of a truism, being honest is cheap in comedy. Colbert's talent comes from taking current events and spinning them into something enjoyable to take in, no matter how controversial or partisan it can be.
User avatar #60474 to #60473 - cedrock (03/28/2014) [-]
I don't watch TV much anymore, but when I used to, he would twist the story to be enjoyable by quoting other stuff that happened in the past, and proving the thing wrong.

For example, back in 2006 when Hezbollah was in War with Lebanon, and America was classing hezbollah as terrorists which they aren't, he started proving they're fighting for a reason. (I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was something along those lines.)
User avatar #60475 to #60474 - Shiny (03/28/2014) [-]
Yeah, it does take balls to try to argue in favor of the underdog in post-9/11 America.
User avatar #60459 - johnstuartmill (03/28/2014) [-]
What justifies the actions of national socialism? And by that I mean what philosophical grounds does it use as its foundation? Utilitarianism and Deontology being two examples.
User avatar #60462 to #60459 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
A sence of national unity.
User avatar #60464 to #60462 - johnstuartmill (03/28/2014) [-]
How does that work?
So there is not a major philosophical backbone to national socialism or it is only used between old men trying to sound sophisticated?
User avatar #60476 to #60464 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Well
Giovanni Gentile

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Understand Actual Idealism before anything else.

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User avatar #60643 to #60476 - johnstuartmill (03/29/2014) [-]
Correct me if I am wrong; Idealism as a whole proposes that reality is best observed through a mental rather than material perspective? And how does this apply to national socialism?
User avatar #60647 to #60643 - schnizel (03/29/2014) [-]
A need to create a perfect society.
User avatar #60457 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Capitalism > national socialism

Capitalism is in all ways a better system in terms of improving the standard of living, and increasing wealth that a nation holds. Nationalist socialism can only sustain its self and its citizens as there is no rewards for innovation or hard work and as time progresses it will find that its destructive nature will slowly whither away at the wealth of a nation, thus lowering rather than raising the standard of living in a society.
User avatar #60477 to #60461 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
Milton Friedman On John Maynard Keynes So basically keynesian economic policies?
User avatar #60481 to #60477 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
I don't want to listen to that liar.
And the economy was doing good.
User avatar #60496 to #60481 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
so listen to the other video
User avatar #60482 to #60481 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
How?
How could it? You broken more windows than you fixed.
User avatar #60483 to #60482 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm sorry what?
User avatar #60486 to #60483 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
How did Nazi Germany create wealth?
They killed and destroyed more than they created, and what they created was to destroy. Leading to the conclusion that your economics in the long run will not survive.
#60487 to #60486 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
And I'm an alien from Nibiru.
User avatar #60488 to #60487 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
>no citation

And notice how I said, long term?
User avatar #60490 to #60488 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
OH SORRY, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE PREPARING FOR A WORLD WAR AGAIN, MAYBE?
User avatar #60491 to #60490 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Yes again, they created goods that destroyed wealth rather than help build it.
User avatar #60492 to #60491 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
What goods, what wealth, and don't ignore #60490.
User avatar #60493 to #60492 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
I didn't, you ignored a citation.

You built things that have no purpose but to destroy wealth
User avatar #60494 to #60493 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
What things.
User avatar #60495 to #60494 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Tanks, bombs and artillery.
User avatar #60497 to #60495 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
In to the trash you go.
User avatar #60498 to #60497 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
It seems you are at your end.
User avatar #60526 to #60523 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Oh look a forum for nazis who like you have only posted short term success rather than finding a country that proves success.

Do you have any will or a mind of your own?
User avatar #60535 to #60526 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
More Germany.
User avatar #60531 to #60526 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
1.Germany
User avatar #60532 to #60531 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
And after?
User avatar #60527 to #60526 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Name me countries that were national socialist before WW2.
User avatar #60641 to #60527 - johnstuartmill (03/29/2014) [-]
As far as I can tell none. Movements have started but they never came to power. What was the point of this line of inquiry?
User avatar #60529 to #60527 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
That is your job not mine.
User avatar #60515 to #60498 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
>Surely there must be similar systems that did not go to war.
Sarcasm was detected.

>>implying Germany was not forced to go into war
>>Implying it wasn't fresh like my balls
User avatar #60517 to #60515 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
So you have no evidence in the empirical science that is economics?

Fucking kebab
User avatar #60521 to #60517 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Watch it.
User avatar #60522 to #60521 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Why? Its too long and doesn't describe the policies nor his economics. Its more of a ode than a observation.
User avatar #60520 to #60519 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
>Not evidence.
User avatar #60518 to #60517 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Wait here mudskin.
User avatar #60499 to #60498 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
You killed yourself in #60495
User avatar #60500 to #60499 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
How? All you managed to do was prove (Without citations so I still disregard it as proof) that Germany had moment of increases to consumption, which could be in the way of tanks, bullets from the government, or chocolate and frying pans. however it was far more likely tanks as Hitler planned to take hold of the lands it had lost. And toward the end of your graph you see that consumption has gone down not up. A trend that would only continue during the war.
User avatar #60513 to #60500 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
That is why I posted the second link.
User avatar #60516 to #60513 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
The second one again only focuses on unemployment, which was caused by a failure of the credit system and government control over it.
User avatar #60511 to #60500 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
>implying Germany was not forced to go into war
>Implying it wasn't fresh like my balls
User avatar #60514 to #60511 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
What does that have to do with economics?
User avatar #60509 to #60500 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
You know that Germany lost WW2, right?
User avatar #60510 to #60509 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
Surely there must be similar systems that did not go to war.
User avatar #60507 to #60500 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
www.ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYEUHk16yk4
Economy of Germany
Enjoy this, I copy paste because I don't want to write the whole damn thing again.
User avatar #60512 to #60507 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
The first one only focuses on the revenue the government earned through taxation it in fact did not focus on again, wealth, purchasing power, and standard of living on a year by year basis.
User avatar #60508 to #60505 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
I asked for long term proof of increases to wealth, purchasing power, and standard of living, 6 years does not make a successful program.
User avatar #60506 to #60505 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
good old wiki
User avatar #60504 to #60500 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
5 minutes
User avatar #60501 to #60500 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
Hitler fought in WW1 for the German Empire. It is understandable how angry they were about this creation of Poland our of their land. The Germans experienced all of this suffering and death because of Lenin, Stalin and England and the war profiteering Americans. The Balfour Declaration was made by England to bribe the Jews into turning sentiment in the U.S. against the Germans. The reward would be Palestine which was already in turmoil from the Sykes-Picot Agreement. There was no Poland from 1795-1919 and so I have to laugh at all of these ignorant people that say that the Germans invaded Poland. There was no Poland. They went back into their land. Gdansk was Danzig and East Prussia was stupidly cut off from Germany.

The Germans just wanted their land back and why should they care about the people that showed them no compassion during and after WW1. Millions of them died during and after WW1. Then the Communist Bolsheviks, many of them Jews, wanted all of Germany to fall into Stalin's hands. I do not advocate harm to anyone but most Jews in Germany that were clearly sympathetic and pro-Soviet-should have been thrown out of the country or try to move to the Soviet Union. The U.S., Canada and Cuba did not want them as is evidenced by the rejection of the St. Louis. The U.S. was antisemitic as was Cuba and Canada. They are guilty for the lives lost on that ship. It was a different world. People were discriminated in the south of the U.S. if they were Jewish. They even had hotels that said "Christians Only".




User avatar #60503 to #60501 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
You just copy posted that. So I want the original source
User avatar #60502 to #60501 - schnizel (03/28/2014) [-]
The MS St. Louis was a German ocean liner most notable for a single voyage in 1939, in which her captain, Gustav Schröder, tried to find homes for 937 German Jewish refugees after they were denied entry to Cuba, the United States and Canada, until finally accepted to various countries of Europe. Historians have estimated that, after their return to Europe, approximately a quarter of the ship's passengers died in concentration camps.

People are so damn ignorant and do not realize that the Germans were the real victims in WW1 and then even more so in WW2. Why should the Germans who were suffering so much after WW1 not want their Empire back and their property and economy instead of giving it to all of these backward East European newly created countries? Many people felt for the people that died in WW2 which shows how kind they really are. No one during WW1 and after showed them any kindness. It is unfortunate about the Jewish civilians that were killed and all other groups but people do not realize that they were like Al-Qaeda.

Of the the economy part in 5 minutes.
User avatar #60489 to #60488 - undeadwill (03/28/2014) [-]
#johnstuartmill
#pebar
#jadewest
User avatar #60450 - theladystrangler (03/28/2014) [-]
Reminder that democracy is an ineffective system because:
1. Uneducated people are allowed to make political decisions
2. Most decisions need votes by congress in order to be decided, which takes lengths of time
3. Politics is a popularity contest, and a very small minority votes based off of views of their political candidates
4. Democracy doesn't relieve political corruption, and in some ways, greatly enhances it.
User avatar #60452 to #60450 - pebar (03/28/2014) [-]
I agree that it's overrated but what alternative is there?
User avatar #60453 to #60452 - theladystrangler (03/28/2014) [-]
Countless alternatives, all with positives and negatives, but people need to stop acting as if democracy is a perfect system worth spreading to the world.
User avatar #60454 to #60453 - johnstuartmill (03/28/2014) [-]
I agree 100%. Even though I know of no flawless system of government that does not mean there are not any alternatives. I found it very asinine that America tried to change the Middle East into a democracy even though the people will just use government channels to legitimize the oppressive ideology of their culture.
User avatar #60456 to #60454 - theladystrangler (03/28/2014) [-]
As if that isn't there already. Dictators aren't all bad. With the removal of Saddam Hussein, the standard of living for the average Iraqi went down significantly. He did a lot of great things for his people. And in my opinion, his takeover of Kuwait was justified, despite the religious intolerance.
Just to make a point that Democracy =/= perfect and Dictator =/= worst thing ever.
User avatar #60432 - ghostpoliticstcr (03/27/2014) [-]
What do y'all think about the situation in the Ukraine?
User avatar #60435 to #60432 - undeadwill (03/27/2014) [-]
Do nothing and let Ukraine fights its own fight.
#60443 to #60435 - anonymous (03/28/2014) [-]
Yeah, imagine that, America not trying to muscle in and promote its super "Democratic" elections everywhere
User avatar #60413 - feelythefeel (03/27/2014) [-]
So schnizel and another Bosnian walk into a restaurant. The chef yells "Two kebabs coming right up!".
User avatar #60414 to #60413 - schnizel (03/27/2014) [-]
*tips nazihat*
#60411 - anonymous (03/27/2014) [-]
Actual poster for British CCTV cameras.

That's a might unsettling.
User avatar #60417 to #60411 - feelythefeel (03/27/2014) [-]
I would be lying if I said I didn't agree.
#60396 - anonymous (03/27/2014) [-]
are you as tolerant and open-minded like this kid, /politics/ ?
#60395 - anonymous (03/27/2014) [-]
someone nuke this cuntry
srsly
User avatar #60431 to #60395 - feelythefeel (03/27/2014) [-]
Please don't. Our back bacon might taste funny from the aftermath.
#60389 - anonymous (03/27/2014) [-]
T-thanks zuckerstein, the future is brighter now
#60390 to #60389 - anonymous (03/27/2014) [-]
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