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#128219 - unforgiventempsoul
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User avatar #128242 to #128219 - canyou
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I think Trump dipped overall but not as much in swingstates as they say.
User avatar #128293 to #128242 - theism
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Real clear politics has him 0.6% worse off than he was.
#128213 - marinepenguin
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User avatar #128216 to #128213 - unforgiventempsoul
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The left, either out of its very nature or due to the times we live in - has become absolute garbage in America it seems.

Anyone who could possibly compare these 2 points and think they have equal merit is not someone who should be casting a vote.
User avatar #128214 to #128213 - whoozy
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Didn't you see?
This is not why people hate her

It's because they're sexist mysoginists
User avatar #128225 to #128214 - marinepenguin
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I read that as sexy misogynists at first and was quite confused.
#128210 - aceofshadows
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lmao
User avatar #128267 to #128210 - lotengo
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Thinking about getting a loan just so I can buy whatever the hell that is.
User avatar #128368 to #128267 - feelythefeel
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It's pretty much a Virtual Boy for the modern age.
User avatar #128217 to #128210 - unforgiventempsoul
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SabatonSparta Lyrics Music video I am a racist meme fighter. Ooh Rah!
User avatar #128212 to #128210 - thumbfortrump
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Arsetechnica, lol
User avatar #128209 - whoozy
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User avatar #128236 to #128209 - newbtwo
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Tfw taliban are more rational than any of your politicians
what the fuck america
User avatar #128237 to #128236 - unforgiventempsoul
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nah that's just a shitty hyperbole.
User avatar #128238 to #128237 - newbtwo
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Tfw a hyperbole is rational
User avatar #128239 to #128238 - unforgiventempsoul
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You are living on rightful Serbian clay. Please deport yourself.
User avatar #128240 to #128239 - newbtwo
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Unfortunately, serbians cant be smug if they have a fully-functional army with tanks and aircraft, and manage to lose a war against Darko and Tomica with ten year old kalashnikovs
User avatar #128241 to #128240 - unforgiventempsoul
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Honestly I like the both of you cuz you ain't muslims unlike a certain neighbor.
User avatar #128243 to #128241 - newbtwo
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I hope youre not talking about Bosnia, they got bullied throughout history by everyone for no reason at all, which left them in their current sorry state
User avatar #128335 to #128243 - unforgiventempsoul
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hahaha I was. A Bosnian I knew once told me the same thing.
User avatar #128218 to #128209 - unforgiventempsoul
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I can't believe I'm saying this but the guy is right on some stuff.

"Why are they hated worldwide? It's because of their aggressive policies. They invade other people's countries and kill innocent human beings for their vested interests."
He's kinda right about this part.
User avatar #128227 to #128218 - whoozy
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Because the taliban isn't hated worldwide and doesn't employ agressive policies
User avatar #128228 to #128227 - unforgiventempsoul
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Hypocrisy doesn't destroy the validity of a point.
User avatar #128231 to #128228 - whoozy
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It kind of does
User avatar #128232 to #128231 - unforgiventempsoul
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1/10 nice try
User avatar #128233 to #128232 - whoozy
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It's like Hitler accusing you of racism
User avatar #128235 to #128233 - unforgiventempsoul
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Yes...and if Hitler called you a racist and you were one, it wouldn't make it any less of a fact...
Come on this is easy stuff to understand.
#128206 - whoozy
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User avatar #128246 to #128206 - figatron
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what does his tax returns have to do worth transparency? that's his personal information
User avatar #128247 to #128246 - whoozy
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What does her e-mails have to do with transparency? that's her personal information
User avatar #128249 to #128247 - figatron
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also, didn't answer the question
User avatar #128248 to #128247 - figatron
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That's not so much an issue of transparency as its a matter of violating federal law
User avatar #128250 to #128248 - whoozy
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Not paying your taxes isn't violating federal law?
User avatar #128251 to #128250 - figatron
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You think the IRS wouldn't already know if he wasn't? He'd be in jail. The IRS doesn't like it when people don't let them steal their money.
User avatar #128252 to #128251 - whoozy
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By that logic Hillary is innocent as well because the FBI said so.
User avatar #128253 to #128252 - figatron
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The IRS doesn't owe Trump anything, and they report to Obama. Why would they hide something that would destroy Trump that could be discovered so easily? The FBI and the Obama administration do have an incentive to cover for Hillary though.
User avatar #128254 to #128253 - whoozy
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Who knows? This is all speculation, someone might call it conspiracy

What I hoped to do is drive something more substantial out of you. If it keeps going this way Hillary wil win.
User avatar #128255 to #128254 - figatron
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not really. the case should be open and shut. People in the military and government employees get court martialed for doing it. There's not a whole lot to speculate about it. Nevermind the fact that at a cabinet level she seems confused about what a designation of classified means. but that's just incompetence
User avatar #128234 to #128206 - enlightednatzie
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No ones gives a shit.
User avatar #128244 to #128234 - whoozy
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You're no one
User avatar #128207 to #128206 - shekelnator
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do you know how catastrophic the world be if hillary wins?
User avatar #128208 to #128207 - whoozy
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It'll be more of the same
Trump will probably be even worse, but hey if your roll the dice I guess you might get lucky
User avatar #128153 - finni
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Why is this board not showing up on the image board?
User avatar #128211 to #128153 - thumbfortrump
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Because we don't like outsiders who come here once and shitpost, then leave again.
User avatar #128204 to #128153 - figatron
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wow the responses here are hardly calied for
User avatar #128203 to #128153 - shekelnator
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it is for only pros.
User avatar #128172 to #128153 - theism
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To contain the autism.
User avatar #128183 to #128172 - finni
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I bet you get a lot of notifications from the religious board, huh?
User avatar #128186 to #128183 - theism
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Yes, fuck you.
User avatar #128187 to #128186 - finni
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Should have picked a different name
User avatar #128191 to #128187 - theism
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You should go fuck yourself.
#128200 to #128191 - Zaxplab
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#128190 to #128187 - unforgiventempsoul
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Imagine a person who has a period every single day instead of once a month, imagine him as a balding male who is 5'6 and 220 pounds. You have just imagined the person you were talking to.
User avatar #128192 to #128190 - theism
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Don't be so hard on yourself.
User avatar #128195 to #128192 - unforgiventempsoul
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"were"
Talking to a brick fucking wall man, you'd make a good southern border yourself.
User avatar #128197 to #128195 - theism
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He was talking to you. If you have alzheimers let me know and I'll stop picking on you.

By the way you should learn more synonyms for that so you stop sounding like a broken record, a one track mind or something else annoying and repetitive.
#128199 to #128197 - unforgiventempsoul
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He was talking to you buddy...
User avatar #128201 to #128199 - theism
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My bad, guess you do have alzheimers.
User avatar #128174 to #128172 - unforgiventempsoul
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Actual question, why do you come here if you hate this place and like half the people in it?
User avatar #128176 to #128174 - theism
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It's a bit like the zoo. Except instead of throwing shit and masturbating the monkey post shit and jerk each other off.
User avatar #128177 to #128176 - unforgiventempsoul
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...once again you haven't answered my question.
User avatar #128178 to #128177 - theism
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Sorry I forgot you need everything spelled out. It's entertaining.
User avatar #128180 to #128178 - unforgiventempsoul
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Yes I do. Too much interpretation is an easy way to dodge an argument is what I've noticed.
User avatar #128181 to #128180 - theism
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This isn't an argument. It's me insulting you.
User avatar #128182 to #128181 - unforgiventempsoul
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Once again, flies right through your head. Like talking to a brick wall.
User avatar #128185 to #128182 - theism
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Your metaphors contradict each other. You should retake ESOL.
User avatar #128188 to #128185 - unforgiventempsoul
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You fail to see, Sentence #2 from 2nd last reply was a general statement you somehow took to thinking was talking about your reply just now.

You should do a service to humanity and any honor you could possibly get back by committing sedoku.
User avatar #128189 to #128188 - theism
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So then it's an irrelevant statement is what you're saying.
User avatar #128156 to #128153 - unforgiventempsoul
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because we don't fucking want normies shitting up the place.
User avatar #128157 to #128156 - finni
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Fair enough
#128130 - thumbfortrump
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tfw people tell me I can't have black friends as a Trump supporter
#128277 to #128130 - redandgreen
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GIF
They actually meant you can't have any friends because you're a Trump supporter!

I'm only joking

User avatar #128279 to #128277 - thumbfortrump
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User avatar #128284 to #128279 - redandgreen
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I am honestly only joking
User avatar #128289 to #128284 - thumbfortrump
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I know
#128120 - canyou
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Oh! Also in the news! Scientists have made a baby using three different people's dna.

ITT: take three people's dna and create the perfect super human
User avatar #128164 to #128120 - aceofshadows
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Is it normal looking?
User avatar #128168 to #128164 - canyou
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Apparently, but the last 4 times they tried the kid didn't make it.
User avatar #128154 to #128120 - akkere
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Keep posting images as autistic as you want.
User avatar #128158 to #128154 - unforgiventempsoul
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Why must you hurt me like this.
User avatar #128166 to #128158 - akkere
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It's only... temporary
:^)
nigga you on the run again?
User avatar #128169 to #128166 - unforgiventempsoul
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I'm always on the fuckin run nigga. I DINDU NUFFIN.

I just grabbed him by the shirt, lifted him up and screamed "give me all your money", now the cops be after me. fuckin bullshit racist ass niggas
User avatar #128155 to #128154 - canyou
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User avatar #128132 to #128120 - unforgivensoul
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Please don't ever post images as autistic as that again.
#128129 to #128120 - thumbfortrump
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>Mexican scientists
User avatar #128124 to #128120 - youregaylol
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Your mother tries to duplicate the experiment every saturday night.
#128119 - anon id: a2dc1105
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Why a Wall Wont Stop Immigration thoughts?
User avatar #128127 to #128119 - thumbfortrump
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TL;DR nothing works, it's all useless, so lets invite everyone inside
User avatar #128133 to #128127 - unforgivensoul
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That's always their logic.

"HAHA YOU WILL ONLY STOP LIKE 90% OF THEM, THEREFORE FUCK THE IDEA"
User avatar #128137 to #128133 - theism
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The wall, at most, will stop less than a third of the illegal immigrants that will enter this country.
User avatar #128159 to #128137 - unforgiventempsoul
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I like the way you worded that. You sneaky, conniving bastard. Instead of saying "less than a third of the illegal immigrants crossing south of the border".

Not only is your spin irrelevant to the nature of the problem (illegal immigration from the southern border), you also fail to provide any solution. Do liberals actually expect a country to not have a functioning border? Are you guys insane lol?
User avatar #128162 to #128159 - theism
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Why is that sneaky? That's the fucking point. If half the illegal immigrants don't even hope the border, and the wall only covers half the border, the vast majority of illegal immigrants will still get through, making a wall minimal you effective.

The only reason you think it's "sneaky" is that it's inconvenient to your retarded position.

The most effective solution would be policing visas and employers of illegal immigrants. Of course that's intelligent so trump will never suggest it.
User avatar #128165 to #128162 - unforgiventempsoul
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Buddy, the wall is stopping illegal immigration FROM THE SOUTHERN BORDER. You know, doing what walls do and stopping illegals from crossing when they shouldn't. Walls don't just magically fly around and pick up people with overstayed visas and deport them or stop ships from the Atlantic and Pacific. If everyone used your ridicolous line of reasoning most countries wouldn't need functioning borders lol. You're basically saying "Wall Can fix X but not Y thus it shouldn't exist at all and not fix X". It's retarded, plain and simple.

So do you admit you don't think a country should have functioning borders? Are you an activist for open borders is my follow-up?
User avatar #128167 to #128165 - theism
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So what you're saying is the wall won't solve the problem and building it would be retarded? No, you spouted some bullshit non argument.

Why don't you get so triggered you get yourself banned again?
User avatar #128170 to #128167 - unforgiventempsoul
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Look I know you hate me and get angered at my posts, but I was honestly expecting an actual argument. I have no idea what your argument is, please clarify.
User avatar #128171 to #128170 - theism
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I stated, the wall is not a sufficient solution as its impact would be negligible, while other solutions would have a greater impact for a lower cost. You failed to understand this of course.
User avatar #128173 to #128171 - unforgiventempsoul
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"the wall is not a sufficient solution as its impact would be negligible"

...but you just ignored my argument. I literally addressed what you just wrote. Like I literally don't know what you expect me to say, I addressed this before. You also didn't answer my legitimate follow up question.

I support a multitude of all kinds of solutions, and the wall is one of them. I support limiting immigration in every way possible, that also includes maintaining an actual border. Please address my follow up.

User avatar #128175 to #128173 - theism
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In addition to being innefective it's expensive. The same effect could be reached by attaching more border patrols.
User avatar #128179 to #128175 - unforgiventempsoul
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"In addition to being innefective it's expensive. The same effect could be reached by attaching more border patrols."

Yeah I don't care if its a fence or wall, I just want a secure border. America does not have a secure border, huge parts of the southern border are left open and not guarded. Also we talked about this some time before, the wall wouldn't be that expensive and would actually get jobs. I thought leftists like public jobs and public programs?

Also you keep failing to answer my question, its like I'm talking to a brick wall. How am I supposed to engage in a debate when you keep ignoring.
User avatar #128184 to #128179 - theism
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The wall wouldn't cover the unsecured areas for the same reason they're currently unsecured. All told it would only reinforce the half of the border already guarded.

The less extensive the wall is the less effective it is. Further, any jobs created would be temporary and could be gained by spending the same money on anything else, there's a reason we don't pay people to dig holes and fill them in.

I "literally" did. The effect doesn't justify the cost, making it a bad proposal. Learn to read.
User avatar #128194 to #128184 - unforgiventempsoul
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"The wall wouldn't cover the unsecured areas for the same reason they're currently unsecured. "
Wrong

"Further, any jobs created would be temporary"
uhhh what lol, you actually need guards and contractors for constant maintenance of such a thing.

"there's a reason we don't pay people to dig holes and fill them in. "
True we spend money on a lot more stupid shit like wasting money helping terrorists in Syria, or toppling governments we shouldn't, or paying hundreds of thousands to screen people we don't need to bring in the first place, or acting as the state to single mothers, ect.

"I "literally" did. The effect doesn't justify the cost, making it a bad proposal. Learn to read."

Once again you have failed to answer my question. My question was not at all contextual to this specific issue. It was a broad political question on your personal opinion on borders, please answer it.
User avatar #128196 to #128194 - theism
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Wrong how?

So essentially, hire more guards? Good idea, we could afford even more if we didn't pay people to fix a pointless wall. I also like that you only responded to half the point by the way. Makes it so much easier to mock you.

So we should waste more money?

Oh that irrelevant question. Yes, intelligent border policy is a good thing. What you want isn't intelligent.
User avatar #128198 to #128196 - unforgiventempsoul
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>Wrong how?
Maybe you should read up before arguing your position.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border#U.S..E2.80.93Mexico_border_enforcement This explains it better and faster than I would.

"So essentially, hire more guards?"
Pointless to hire more guards where fencing doesn't exist. We need more wall or fencing.

"I also like that you only responded to half the point by the way"
I responded to all your relevant points, anything I didn't respond to was likely because I responded to the preceding sentence that enabled it happen. You don't respond to something that comes after an argument if you've already responded the argument. Literally show me otherwise because I bet you fucking cant.

"So we should waste more money?"
Not a waste of money though. We need a secure border. Look at the link I gave you, watch a documentary even. Read up, maybe you didn't know but large parts of totally build-able-upon LAND is unsecure. Unsecure for illegals to cross. This is really simple stuff you're trying to overly complicate.

"Oh that irrelevant question. Yes, intelligent border policy is a good thing."
No it was a totally relevant question that took you way too long to answer, I have no idea how far left you are because I honestly have no idea when to take you ideologically seriously. All you seem to do is play devils advocate.
User avatar #128202 to #128198 - theism
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From your own sources 61% of attempted crossings are blocked. Furthermore, border crossings are on the decline. Spending billions to solve a 5th of a decreasing problem doesn't sound smart to me.

That's not true actually. Barriers supplement manpower by holding people in place and therefore necessitating fewer patrols. If manpower alone solves the issue more efficiently it's the smarter choice.

You didn't respond to the part about jobs justifying projects. The government could spend billions on pointless tasks but most would rather they didn't.

Your own sources diminishes your point.

So yes, irrelevant.
User avatar #128215 to #128202 - unforgiventempsoul
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>From your own sources 61% of attempted crossings are blocked.

....and...this is your argument? Like I am trying very hard to have a discussion with you. But I legitimately feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. I don't know how to explain this to you...but 61%...is not a good number... I don't understand how the hell you looked at that number and thought "great". A facepalm wouldn't even suffice for this conversation, I need to ram my head through a wall after reading your post.

"Furthermore, border crossings are on the decline."
This is a really bad argument and you know it, you're clinging to straws here. Just because it is in decline doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

"Barriers supplement manpower by holding people in place and therefore necessitating fewer patrols. If manpower alone solves the issue more efficiently it's the smarter choice. "
...And this was your response to? >Pointless to hire more guards where fencing doesn't exist. We need more wall or fencing.

Having a barrier is far more important than having a couple patrols come by once in a while in a desert. You actually need a fucking barrier to stop the people. Man power alone will obviously not solve the problem unless you put a guy every 300 meters, and at that point they'd need to be housed in some kind of location. It would be better to just put up a fence at that point too (Look at Hungary). I literally have no idea how the hell you could possibly think you could argue we could just put more patrols in the desert without any barrier and that would be good enough. Even imagining such an idea in the hot, dry Southern border should immediately draw red flags.

>You didn't respond to the part about jobs justifying projects
Oh you mean "could be gained by spending the same money on anything else". First off my point about jobs is just a side bonus to the idea. Second of all your argument isn't even really an argument. So what you could gain those jobs by spending on something else...so? I literally don't see a point. The government could fund 50 billion more in welfare and create jobs for people working in welfare programs - or we could do it for the military and make military jobs. But where is the argument?

>Your own sources diminishes your point.
We are talking in circles because you are absolutely refusing, refusing to see the point Either out of pure ignorance or purposefully , aside from the fact that your entire argument was "61" which is absolutely stupid and didn't in anyway diminish my point. I am honestly trying very hard to have a real discussion with you, but I feel like I'm not at all being given the same brain power I'm putting in. I feel like you aren't actually thinking hard enough about the argument you write before you do it. I also don't think you're actually trying to respond to my arguments like how I'm doing. This was one of the reasons I thought you were a troll before.

This my just be my last reply, its frustrating talking to a person I believe to be this dense. And I don't even mean that as an insult.
User avatar #128140 to #128137 - marinepenguin
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No, the wall combined with fixing our work visa program and actually enforcing immigration laws is what will cut the vast majority of our illegal immigration.
User avatar #128141 to #128140 - theism
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So essentially, the wall and some actually effective policies.
User avatar #128142 to #128141 - marinepenguin
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Yes. A wall with its gate wide open isn't an effective one regardless.
User avatar #128143 to #128142 - theism
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You missed the point. The wall is unnecessary if we clean up visa violations and screen employers from hiring illegals. The walk would just be a waste of money.
User avatar #128144 to #128143 - marinepenguin
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I didn't miss the point, though I agree we don't need a full fledged medieval wall. Providing vast amounts of welfare to even non-citizens is an even greater waste of money, yet we don't remove that incentive to come here in the first place.
User avatar #128145 to #128144 - theism
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m.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2016/0509/Do-immigrants-receive-more-welfare-money-than-natural-born-US-citizens
Illegal immigrants can't claim public benefits.

Additionally, that doesn't justify the wall. It would justify ending that program.
User avatar #128147 to #128145 - marinepenguin
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And I'm not using it to justify the wall.
User avatar #128146 to #128145 - marinepenguin
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www.washingtonexaminer.com/cashing-in-illegal-immigrants-get-1261-more-welfare-than-american-families-5692-vs.-4431/article/2590744

Not according to the center for immigration studies, and my own personal experiences. My aunt has a boyfriend who's family is illegal and took benefits for the first couple years while here and awaiting a chance to gain legal status
User avatar #128148 to #128146 - theism
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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies
the center for immigration studies is a conservative think tank created to generate studies for anti-immigration movements. I wouldn't consider them completely reliable as a source. Further the article I linked above addresses that study.
User avatar #128149 to #128148 - marinepenguin
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The Christian Science Monitor is about as unbiased as the New York Times.

And while I agree that it is the law that most immigrants are unable to receive welfare, we enforce those laws about as much as our immigration laws.
User avatar #128150 to #128149 - theism
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"Immigration policy analyst Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute, who criticized the center's previous analysis, tells The Christian Science Monitor this recent study is "fatally flawed" in the same way.

"If they actually wanted to count how much welfare immigrants use, they should have just counted the immigrants and the welfare they use, instead of the households of US citizens – that is an apples-to-apples comparison," says Mr. Nowrasteh.

"If we should count them, shouldn't we also count the welfare use of grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and great-great-grandchildren of immigrants?," wrote Nowrasteh, in his criticism of the September study. "Such a way of counting would obviously produce a negative result but it would also not be informative." "

That's the problem with the study.
User avatar #128151 to #128150 - marinepenguin
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Ultimately the study itself on how much an immigrant family gets in welfare means little. The main point I'm trying to make is that illegal immigrants do get welfare, regardless of the law.

This alone creates incentive to immigrate to the US that is incompatible with our current situation.
User avatar #128193 to #128151 - theism
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I'm curious how exactly you claim benefits without proof of citizenship.
User avatar #128117 - canyou
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Congress overwhelmingly rejected Obama's veto of the Saudi 9/11 lawsuits bill. It's the first time in his entire presidency where his veto got overturned.

Obama BTFO during his last days in office. I hope he's pissed.
User avatar #128121 to #128117 - akkere
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Hope it wipes the smug look on his face he's been having at the end of his term. The fact that he'd veto such a bill is something beyond monumentally disgraceful. His follow-up message was so baseless I hope it's remembered fervently in the closing notes of his presidency.
User avatar #128283 to #128121 - redandgreen
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I hope you're comfortable with other nation's citizens suing the US government for the illegal acts of US citizens on holiday etc.
Or, even more likely, Iraqis suing the US government for the actions of the US military and its contractors.
That's what Obama was trying not to open the door to. Now the US have ignored this principle of international convention you can expect other nations to do the same.
User avatar #128332 to #128283 - akkere
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And why shouldn't the US government be sued if it was tied to war crimes that left families in ruins? It's one thing to sue the government just because citizens otherwise unrelated to it performed illegal acts, but if the government is directly tied to said illicit acts - like the Saudi Arabians allegedly tied to al Qeada - then why shouldn't they at least be taken to trial against these acts? I'd be 100% supportive of a lawsuit imposed by civillian families from the Middle Eastern campaigns, or the Vietnamese campaigns for a recent-ish example to hold those that authorized known criminal acts that were otherwise shrouded in bureaucracy.

International convention serves a function right up to diplomatic immunity, where foreign dignitaries face risk being imprisoned indefinitely without a conviction. But there has to come a point where international convention stops shielding larger governments simply because they're larger, and if this opens the door to that idea, then I'd be all the more supportive of it.

The involvement of Saudi Arabia's royal family towards the Taliban and terrorists acts such as 9/11 has been constantly shrouded in classified documents. A proper trial will bring this to light and strike the transparency necessary for those afflicted.
User avatar #128134 to #128121 - unforgivensoul
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Is it just me or do I feel like when I look into Obama's eyes, I don't see any patriotism for the country. Maybe its just the racism in me.
#128126 to #128121 - whoozy
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What was his follow up message?
User avatar #128152 to #128126 - akkere
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www.nytimes.com/2016/09/24/us/politics/obama-veto-saudi-arabia-9-11.html?_r=0

I have deep sympathy for the families of the victims of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, who have suffered grievously,” Mr. Obama wrote. But enacting the measure “would neither protect Americans from terrorist attacks nor improve the effectiveness of our response to such attacks.”

The reason I consider it such a grievious insult is the American government, both federal and local New York, has consistently shafted emergency first responders of 9/11 for much needed healthcare, on top of other long-term victim aid. Yet both he, and every politician under the sun, has campaigned saying how they're 100% supportive of 9/11 victims.
#128128 to #128126 - thumbfortrump
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"allahuakbar Western imperialists, this was all part of the plan. Little did you know my top watchmaker Ahmed has been working 24/7 installing cool clocks all over this place. Time's up infidels."
#128093 - shekelnator
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newschicken.com/syrian-refugee-flees-isis-to-become-porn-star-in-germany/

twitter.com/syrian_pornstar

WHAT HAVE I DONE WITH MY LIFE!

I could have been now in europe. getting free money doing porn or posting anti Assad picture faking all shit instead suffering here in this

WHAT HAVE I DONE TO MY SELF!

look at this shit. he fucking left the war to fuck. YES FUCK!

i could now in France or Germany. getting my pool with many pussies sucking my dick. receiving welfare and everything. instead shitposting here and whining like an enraged faggot
#128100 to #128093 - pebar
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GIF
the nationalist is finally acknowledging how shit his culture is
User avatar #128102 to #128100 - shekelnator
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i was arguing with some shit in telegram about this. we need a total reformation. but hell like every retards in every country 90% of the people need to be glassed
#128104 to #128102 - pebar
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GIF
Nationalist hates his own people

oh, this is rich
#128106 to #128104 - shekelnator
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i only hate when like these motherfucking idiots wont change

NO MATTER HOW U TRY THEY WONT FUCKING CHANGE

WONT!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THIS? THEY FUCKING CHANGE. NOT EVEN IF YOU ARE GOD HIMSELF
User avatar #128107 to #128106 - pebar
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so you don't love your country
you love the fantasy of what your country could have been
User avatar #128108 to #128107 - shekelnator
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i want the best for my people. but they wont listen.

it is ether i am mentally ill, or they are fucking retarded.
User avatar #128109 to #128108 - pebar
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the best for your people?
you just said you wanted to glass virtually all of them
User avatar #128110 to #128109 - shekelnator
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like i said. im ether mentally ill or else.

the more i stay here the more depression hits me.
User avatar #128111 to #128110 - thumbfortrump
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Are you starting to realize Syria is shit?
User avatar #128112 to #128111 - shekelnator
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Syria?

the entire middle east is.

not only that. the entire world will be shit too. it is sooner or later WW3 will be provoked because of stupid imperialist leaders from the 2 West and 2 East
User avatar #128116 to #128112 - figatron
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Yep. Except Israel of course
User avatar #128113 to #128112 - thumbfortrump
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Gosh, I hope so. We need to start a war with China before it's too late.
User avatar #128114 to #128113 - shekelnator
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thats one huge mistake. this WW3 will be mostly inter-war within the country. because the people are fed up with their country's shit
User avatar #128118 to #128114 - uglychino
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Like Chinese people aren't tired of their countries shit.
They couldnt have 2 girls since recently.
#128091 - alimais
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Listening to cutey about Syria

Whats REALLY Happening in Syria

White Helmets
www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37442277
User avatar #128092 to #128091 - thumbfortrump
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Lmao, geopolitical analysis by bimbo. We are reaching dangerous meme-levels.
User avatar #128094 to #128092 - shekelnator
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atleast she isnt clown as your politicians
User avatar #128095 to #128094 - thumbfortrump
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So you acknowledge she's a bimbo.
User avatar #128096 to #128095 - shekelnator
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whats bimbo?
User avatar #128101 to #128096 - pebar
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pretty but stupid
User avatar #128115 to #128101 - alimais
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Bimbo means nigger, here
User avatar #128122 to #128115 - pebar
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No, I don't think so
User avatar #128123 to #128122 - alimais
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Bimbo is an African name which is a classic insult in German
User avatar #128103 to #128101 - shekelnator
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ohhh
#128097 to #128096 - thumbfortrump
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User avatar #128098 to #128097 - shekelnator
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a whore?
User avatar #128099 to #128098 - thumbfortrump
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at least someone that looks like it
User avatar #128105 to #128099 - shekelnator
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nah she is not a bimbo. i talked to her before if you need to know :^)
#128090 - unforgivensoul
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Why is the term racist even seen so horribly now a days?

All racism really is, is group preference. I prefer my group to yours. It's not like we don't do this with almost every other thing we do, yet the moment it becomes about our ethnic group it becomes a huge deal.

I'd go as far as to say its a natural instinct or preference that we either are forced to suppress or are fed propaganda from a young age to hate. I personally think at least a third of people or likely more are racist, simply because they prefer their own group regardless of if they'll admit it. If you prefer to be around your own people instead of another group, another way of saying this is you'd rather live in a white neighborhood than a Somalian one - that basically fits the definition of modern racism.

It seems like we live in an era where the majority of people are just suppressing this emotion/instinct because they don't want anyone knowing, yet their friends and family members are likely thinking the same thing, which is rather ironic.
User avatar #128139 to #128090 - figatron
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because racism is horrible. though most modern accusations of racism are essentially a witch hunt. The free market eradicates discrimination because discrimination inherently limits total possible market share. I'd rather let it run its course and let racism fade into irrelevance than keep it alive just to use it as a weapon against anyone you don't like like leftists do
User avatar #128161 to #128139 - unforgiventempsoul
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I think you meant to say let "Europeans fade into irrelevance" because that's basically the crux of what you're arguing for/implying.
User avatar #128125 to #128090 - pebar
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Because in all decisions, you shouldnt take irrelevant factors into consideration

Since it's about people, such poor dicision making I'd mean
User avatar #128131 to #128125 - unforgivensoul
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Your preference isn't an irrelevant factor though...
User avatar #128138 to #128131 - pebar
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are your preferences the way they are because of irrelevant information though
User avatar #128160 to #128138 - unforgiventempsoul
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No.
User avatar #128163 to #128160 - pebar
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What makes you racist?
#128086 - shekelnator
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www.rt.com/usa/360949-pepe-meme-hate-symbol

good to be racist. fuck jews
User avatar #128088 to #128086 - pebar
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A Muslim that racist????

No WAAAYYYYYYU
User avatar #128089 to #128088 - shekelnator
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A Syrian racist?*
#128084 to #128083 - shekelnator
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#128075 - canyou
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Michael Moore said that...Trump won the first debate?

...

Okay, I'll take it.

www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/09/27/michael-moore-donald-trump-won-first-presidential-debate/
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User avatar #128064 - youregaylol
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Ben Shapiro is probably autistic. I don't mean that as being unintelligent, he's actually very, very bright. Hearing him speak you can instantly see that he knows what hes talking about.

But he is just so odd and disconnected from normal human emotion. He reminds me of the nerd in class who would always laugh at random moments.

Still, he can destroy college leftists with more intellectual vigor than Milo, which is a benefit to the larger movement.

No gas chambers for him....yet.
User avatar #128087 to #128064 - marinepenguin
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Shapiro is one of the people I follow and listen to very often, and if he came out and said he was on the spectrum I'd probably just go "meh".
User avatar #128085 to #128064 - canyou
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Ben Shapiro makes it look so easy that I get mad at myself for not being as quick witted
User avatar #128080 to #128064 - lotengo
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Shapiro, Einstein, Tesla, Admin. All have autism.
You see, we autismals are actually the master race.
One day you will beg us for mercy and we will consider it
User avatar #128078 to #128064 - thumbfortrump
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I enjoy watching him more than Milo. At least I feel a wee bit more informed after I've watched Ben, Milo has turned into irl shitposting.
#128073 to #128064 - shekelnator
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(((Ben Shapiro))). he is a kike what do you expect from him
#128067 to #128064 - throwawayqazwerty
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I bet he has the wildest gefilta fish recipe.
User avatar #128065 to #128064 - unforgivensoul
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Ben is a cuck jew.

cuck cuck cuck
#128074 to #128065 - shekelnator
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User avatar #128066 to #128065 - youregaylol
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cuckadoodle jew
#128057 - pebar
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I was hit by a car today

it hurt
User avatar #128069 to #128057 - shekelnator
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#NotallCars
User avatar #128070 to #128069 - pebar
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to be specific, it was actually a truck

it was an assault vehicle that has no practical purpose on our streets. They should be banned.
User avatar #128076 to #128070 - figatron
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did the truck have a high capacity engine? Man, no one needs more horsepower than a 4-door
#128071 to #128070 - shekelnator
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damn rapefugees now using tricks to kill people.
User avatar #128072 to #128071 - shekelnator
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trucks*
User avatar #128061 to #128057 - youregaylol
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Eat the drivers children for violating the NAP.