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#65179 - devout feminist (07/04/2014) [-]
tfw the upper class will never trickle down their golden piss money to us plebs
#65204 to #65179 - youregaylol (07/04/2014) [-]
hey don't lump me in with you bruh
User avatar #65183 to #65179 - pebar ONLINE (07/04/2014) [-]
Thomas Sowell - Tax Cuts For The Rich Trickle down theory does not exist. It is a strawman argument used by the left to demonize the right. Nobody says that if the rich do better then the poor will do better.
User avatar #65219 to #65183 - robinwilliamson (07/05/2014) [-]
But Supply Side was still a failure, regardless.
#65222 to #65219 - economicfreedom (07/05/2014) [-]
You're just spewing nonsense you don't understand.... You can't force unnecessary costs on business and expect nothing to happen.

You need both supply and demand for trade to take place.
User avatar #65400 to #65222 - robinwilliamson (07/06/2014) [-]
Spewing nonsense? Supply side economics being a failure is nonsense? I loved the culture of the 80s but it we weren't top of our game in economics for the long run.
User avatar #65182 to #65177 - ihatem (07/04/2014) [-]
Ahh, the Statue of Liberty, what a great way to argue against immigration by showing off the French gift regarding openness to immigrants.
#65169 - youregaylol (07/03/2014) [-]
I can't think of anyone more jewish than Richard Beltzer. I would say he's definitely on my top ten list for most hated Hollywood shills.

1. He thinks he knows more about war than the military because he reads newspapers. This may come as surprise to some of you, but the military has access to news. It also has access to mudslime cavemen out to kill them. I'm going to guess the actor doesn't have that experience, he's okay with sitting in his mansion while the uneducated lower class (which he claims to love of course) protects his jewish interests.( newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2006/03/18/belzer-proclaims-he-knows-better-about-iraq-uneducated-soldiers-iraq )

2. He baits stronger men into hurting him so he can later sue them for money. A jew faking injury for profit? Never heard that one before. (www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7n_SHrK408 )

3. He masquerades as a comedian like all the other shills (John Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher, ect) to push the belief systems of his masters while he collects a fat corporate paycheck.

4. He believes in UFO sightings and once hosted a conspiracy theory show on Scifi, once again to profit off of other peoples stupidity.
User avatar #65171 to #65164 - undeadwill (07/03/2014) [-]
That's really impressive.
User avatar #65160 - akkere (07/02/2014) [-]
CNN: Senator McCaskill Grills Dr. Oz Over Diet Scams
So what does the board think is the best course of action to take against companies that thrive on misinforming and outright scamming the public, especially ones that have successfully done so throughout the years?

A few general examples being the "natural health" craze, the nutritional supplements, as well as the lobbying and information conflict between GMOs and "Organic" Food.

Main reason I bring this up is because I've been reading up on this figure called "Dr. Oz", fittingly named as he's built a career of referring to various brands of nutritional supplements as "magical cures", even if they have no evidence properly acquired through studies and peer review that can so much as contribute to any positive effect at all. Meanwhile he's participated in a Supreme Court review in which he testifies to the supplements in a less enthusiastic manner. Yet, Oz is apparently not alone in the scamming of nutritional supplements either.

Also, for those who've studied and believe in the concept of the free market (Pebar, undeadwill), how exactly would the free market take on this issue? It seems the free market requires a public that is strongly informed so that they can properly allocate their demand to reject businesses guilty of non-preferable practices as well as quality of product, but how can it do so if the public is easily misinformed and sold to snake oil salesmen?
User avatar #65168 to #65160 - hawaiianhappysauce ONLINE (07/03/2014) [-]
My response is buyer beware. Do your research before you buy shit. Dr. Oz has the right to promote what he wants, it's up to the consumer to not be retarded (most of the viewers are women, so I'm not surprised most of them buy into his shit).
#65161 to #65160 - devout feminist (07/02/2014) [-]
newhope360.com/blog/its-only-vitamins-says-mel-gibson

Jackbooted gubmit thugs gonna take muh vitamins.
User avatar #65163 to #65161 - akkere (07/02/2014) [-]
If this problem of false marketing for this industry has dated as far back as the early 90s, then perhaps it's something that requires more attention than previously thought.
User avatar #65167 to #65163 - undeadwill (07/03/2014) [-]
private quality assurance would fix that. As a company that only hands its seal of approval to products that meet the claims
#65153 - devout feminist (07/02/2014) [-]
What do you think of Anarchism?
User avatar #65181 to #65153 - ihatem (07/04/2014) [-]
Literally impossible. There will always be someone in charge to some degree of whatever it is. That counts as government.
User avatar #65184 to #65181 - jewishcommunazi (07/04/2014) [-]
Anarchism=/=no governance.
User avatar #65223 to #65216 - jewishcommunazi (07/05/2014) [-]
Anarchy simply means the absence of state, while anarchism is an ideology that aims at eliminating social hierarchies, and with it, the state aswell.
User avatar #65399 to #65223 - ihatem (07/06/2014) [-]
Still, some sort of state is inevitable, regardless how formal it is, having an official building or whatever. Even if you're totally alone, you become your own state, you have some form of it one way or another.
User avatar #65401 to #65399 - jewishcommunazi (07/06/2014) [-]
True, anarchism aims at replacing the state with their mini-states that function through direct democracy most likely. Because these "states" aren't "a tool for one class to control another" they don't regard them as states.
User avatar #65487 to #65401 - ihatem (07/07/2014) [-]
Isn't that why there's local - state - national government? Or local - district - national?
User avatar #65578 to #65487 - jewishcommunazi (07/09/2014) [-]
Sort of, but they don't really function in a bottom-up and more "popular" manner like what anarchists advocate for.
User avatar #65581 to #65578 - ihatem (07/09/2014) [-]
How could anything the size of maybe Colorado let's say, function more bottom up than calling local and state representatives?
In better days of course, not these days where corporations cheated power, but in the Woodrow Wilson era and Roosevelt, but with modern communication. Is it that Anarchism would just basically take the levels of government and improve the democratic power with modern communication infrastructure into advanced bodies? Because you need those tiers if you A.) want to function at that size of a nation and B.) realize the potential of a nation's wealth by not sizing down too much. It sounds difficult to manage but possible in ways.
User avatar #65176 to #65153 - Shiny (07/03/2014) [-]
It's a nice ideal that the good of humanity strives for, but civilization isn't ready for it. Not for a long time.
User avatar #65166 to #65153 - undeadwill (07/03/2014) [-]
A noble fantasy.
User avatar #65165 to #65153 - jewishcommunazi (07/02/2014) [-]
I agree with their goals, but I think their tactics won't get them very far. Assuming you're talking about revolutionary/revolutionary-ish anarchism and not anarcho-capitalism. If it's anarcho-capitalism, then I think it's very unrealistic.
#65170 to #65165 - youregaylol (07/03/2014) [-]
>communist
>talking about other ideologies being unrealistic

lol
User avatar #65174 to #65170 - jewishcommunazi (07/03/2014) [-]
If I thought communism was unrealistic I wouldn't be a communist in the first place.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
#65175 to #65174 - youregaylol (07/03/2014) [-]
Well I wasn't trying to say that you realized your ideology was unrealistic.
User avatar #65162 to #65153 - pebar ONLINE (07/02/2014) [-]
it makes libertarians look bad
User avatar #65154 to #65153 - schnizel (07/02/2014) [-]
Bretty bad.
User avatar #65155 to #65151 - ablueguy ONLINE (07/02/2014) [-]
Is that shit for real?
Half the people in Malmo are foreigners?
User avatar #65207 to #65155 - adak (07/05/2014) [-]
Only if you count people with one foreign parent and one swedish parent as foreigners, which is a bit of a hazy area. Most of the foreigners in Malmö are most likely from Denmark anyway so it feels a bit odd to think of them as foreign, they're essentially the same "people" as us, the only real difference is the language.
User avatar #65157 to #65155 - schnizel (07/02/2014) [-]
A bit more than a half.
User avatar #65158 to #65157 - ablueguy ONLINE (07/02/2014) [-]
It must feel terrible to be outnumbered by foreigners in your own country.

User avatar #65159 to #65158 - schnizel (07/02/2014) [-]
And the funny thing is that people who supported the immigration are also the ones who first left Malmo.
User avatar #65172 to #65159 - alimais (07/03/2014) [-]
I blame the Jews

Jewish activist promotes "multicultural mode" for Europa: Sample Sweden
User avatar #65173 to #65172 - schnizel (07/03/2014) [-]
Jews.......
User avatar #65156 to #65155 - schnizel (07/02/2014) [-]
Yep.
#65141 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
Pebar, undeadwill

How does the market fix society ?
Because shit like thug culture is dangerously increasing leading to African Americans which are only a 1/9 of the US to commit 1/3 of its crimes.
Nope, I won't call out to lynch black people
#65144 to #65141 - pebar ONLINE (07/01/2014) [-]
People commit so many crimes because it is profitable to commit crimes. For example gangs like to attack each other to maintain control over an area and have a monopoly. Monopolies by definition control the market and they tend to be very profitable. By allowing markets to work, you introduce competition which sucks away the profit of gangs. If major pharmaceutical companies, or even just gardeners, produce drugs, gangs no longer have an economic incentive to kill each other because they would have nothing to gain from it.
#65180 to #65144 - devout feminist (07/04/2014) [-]
That quote is not a literal truth, it's an unintentional consequence, because the government hires people who shoot at the motherfuckers, even if they're too thick to realize the legalities that can eliminate their market. Another terribly worded quote from Friedman.
#65148 to #65144 - youregaylol (07/02/2014) [-]
You're assuming that degenerates only exist because of a vague profit motive.

In actuality it's a combination of poverty (which your market can never eliminate), environment (which your market can never improve), culture (which your market will never correct), genetics (which your market can never change), class tension (which your market encourages), and media (which your market profits from).

So really you can't do anything about it.
#65149 to #65148 - pebar ONLINE (07/02/2014) [-]
Responsibility to the Poor regarding poverty
User avatar #65220 to #65149 - robinwilliamson (07/05/2014) [-]
I'm looking at- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty

And you mean to tell me that all of these countries are more Milton Friedman than we are?
User avatar #65147 to #65144 - schnizel (07/02/2014) [-]
Pebar, pebar and pebar.
Why no just whip them, put them on the cross and spear them?
User avatar #65146 to #65144 - alimais (07/02/2014) [-]
Yeah that's the gang aspect but what's about random thugs ?

Thugs life won't end when gangs don't profit anymore
User avatar #65137 - jokeface (07/01/2014) [-]
So. Here's what I don't get about politics. It seems like there are some countries in the world that just manage better than others. France leads the world in healthcare. Finland is the best in education. Switzerland has the lowest crime rates. So my question is, if we can readily observe these countries that are more successful than anyone else, why isn't every country trying to emulate the same healthcare system as France, the same education as Finland, the same crime prevention as Switzerland, and so on? Why do we all insist on doing things differently when there are better solutions right in front of us?
User avatar #65143 to #65137 - akkere (07/01/2014) [-]
A couple reasons -
Plenty of nations are built up in different ways that simply copy and pasting legislatures would do more harm than good. Many nations have differently shaped economies dependent on the method of achieving industrialization or lack thereof, for instance.
The US, for instance, a nation that is built on independent businesses and industries with varying degrees of government impact, differs greatly to a nation such as Cuba which has a great deal of nationalized businesses directly controlled by their government.

That being said, sometimes copy and pasting legislatures WOULD work, but some politicians would prefer to write original ones that pander to some forces (including but not limited to; lobbyists). For instance, the US healthcare system was designed to pander to health insurance companies that were afraid they would be wiped off with a nationalized healthcare service, so rather than adopting the more popular, more safe and effective single-payer system, the current healthcare system was shaped in a peculiar manner that it is today; saving the health insurance businesses, but condemning others.

There's other examples I could probably cite, but I wouldn't want to bore you with them.
User avatar #65142 to #65137 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
Final solution ?
User avatar #65140 to #65137 - targaryren (07/01/2014) [-]
well...I suppose a solution for one place won't always work for another.
but they maybe should see if it will work
User avatar #65138 to #65137 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
Because there are people who don't like people having a good time on this planet.
#65123 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
Thank you USA for establishing another Islamic state

rt.com/news/169716-isis-jihad-muslims-syria/
User avatar #65135 to #65123 - undeadwill (07/01/2014) [-]
I though you guys wanted them to destroy Israel?
User avatar #65136 to #65135 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
You take jokes too seriously also you shouldn't lump everyone down into one box,

Israel as it is now can't be so easily removed and their Zionist government, Zionist rabbis and everything else Zionist is the problem.
Israelis are included when it comes to manipulating the masses, look at the video I posted about Ernst Zündel getting interviewed by a Israeli Journalist.

User avatar #65116 - undeadwill (07/01/2014) [-]
Drug rights in the US. Yes or no?
User avatar #65185 to #65116 - liftplus ONLINE (07/04/2014) [-]
yes
User avatar #65145 to #65116 - ablueguy ONLINE (07/02/2014) [-]
Sure
Less funding for gangs/the mafia
And under proper regulation, addiction could become less of an issue
User avatar #65124 to #65116 - drastronomy (07/01/2014) [-]
yes


natural selection
User avatar #65117 to #65116 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
Yes,

this kills the mafia
#65112 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
Have some Ernst Zündel, do you know him schnizel ?

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=A5sbegfCz7o#t=21m50s

>pic is a book published by him
User avatar #65113 to #65112 - schnizel (07/01/2014) [-]
Hmm, no, but quite interesting.
User avatar #65118 to #65113 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
It's quite the interview
User avatar #65119 to #65118 - schnizel (07/01/2014) [-]
Yep. I think that jew was quite angry because 60000000000000000000000 didn't die.
User avatar #65120 to #65119 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
It's funny to think that today is the first time I've heard from that dude despite him being the "most famous" holocaust denier with a really big Wikipedia page.
User avatar #65122 to #65120 - schnizel (07/01/2014) [-]
Brave new world.....
User avatar #65121 to #65120 - schnizel (07/01/2014) [-]
Me 2.
User avatar #65089 - ogcj (07/01/2014) [-]
why we need a permanent smoking ban
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTbsnCdITeQ
User avatar #65108 to #65089 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
undeadwill, pebar

You don't have anything about smoking because it's the of a person to do everything with their body as they want.

But what about if people around smokers that have a problem with it ?
I don't want to ban it but I get major headaches and burning eyes when people smoke around me.
User avatar #65111 to #65108 - pebar ONLINE (07/01/2014) [-]
Smoking Bans: Banning Freedom here's a viedo
User avatar #65110 to #65108 - pebar ONLINE (07/01/2014) [-]
You have the right to smoke in your own house. You do not have the right to smoke in somebody else's house unless they say you can because it's their air. Likewise bars should not be forced to ban smoking because it's their bar. If you don't want to be around smokers, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to stay near a smoker. In today's society where smoking is seen as a health hazard, most companies have an economic incentive to ban it because they would lose customers, just like you said.

But when the government steps in and tells people what they can and cannot do with their own stuff, that crosses a line.

I don't have a problem with smoking being banned by the government in public places meaning publicly owned, not private places like stores where people tend to gather
User avatar #65109 to #65108 - alimais (07/01/2014) [-]
*.... the right of .....
User avatar #65101 to #65089 - undeadwill (07/01/2014) [-]
We don't need a smoking ban and any attempt to do so would be a means of social control and used to violate civil rights along with destroy industry and American history
#65104 to #65101 - byposted (07/01/2014) [-]
Science is on his side undeadwill, not yours. And it does not stop at nicotine; smoking has absolutely no benefits, and everybody from raspy-voiced old women to libertarian stoner degenerates need to be hanged, and will be, God willing, on the Day of the Rope.    
   
We can't just regress after progress as a society by having an about-face on weed so soon after cigarettes were made obsolete by way of public bans . It all needs to go.    
   
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPhdHgqeA6U
Science is on his side undeadwill, not yours. And it does not stop at nicotine; smoking has absolutely no benefits, and everybody from raspy-voiced old women to libertarian stoner degenerates need to be hanged, and will be, God willing, on the Day of the Rope.

We can't just regress after progress as a society by having an about-face on weed so soon after cigarettes were made obsolete by way of public bans . It all needs to go.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPhdHgqeA6U
User avatar #65114 to #65104 - undeadwill (07/01/2014) [-]
Progressives....
#65106 to #65104 - youregaylol (07/01/2014) [-]
I can understand the need to regulate and ban mind altering substances like alcohol and weed, and I acknowledge the addictive properties of nicotine, but the modern stresses of society require some form of relief. Besides, being a smoker is hardly a death sentence. Studies on the subject consistently lump "smokers" with people who smoke a disgusting amount per day. Of course if you smoke a pack a day you're going to have a drastic increase in risk, but a half a pack a week or less? No, your chances of getting cancer are only slightly above non smokers. Of course smoking is unhealthy, but I feel that the stress relief is worth that risk.

If it's done moderately away from the public I see no harm in it.
User avatar #65139 to #65106 - byposted (07/01/2014) [-]
I agree with you. Spurdo signified the sarcasm.
#65093 to #65089 - youregaylol (07/01/2014) [-]
The audio was terrible and I don't feel like being lectured by a kid who looks like he's 14.

I smoke one or two cigars every week in my backyard. I'm not hurting anyone except myself, and even then I'm not hurting myself more than someone who consumes fast food and soda regularly.

I'm well within my rights. A society is nothing without some leisure.
#65103 to #65093 - byposted (07/01/2014) [-]
>Disrespecting based OG CJ   
   
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNaabtajUlA
>Disrespecting based OG CJ

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNaabtajUlA
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User avatar #65051 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Today we learned that an emperor was a dictator and that he was a tyrant.
User avatar #65081 to #65051 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
east, whatever, all the same.
User avatar #65082 to #65081 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Balkans.
If my time comes I shall live it.
User avatar #65083 to #65082 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
sure you will buddy
User avatar #65084 to #65083 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Thanks for the support mate.
User avatar #65061 to #65051 - akkere (06/30/2014) [-]
Emperors tend to have absolute power over their country, so I suppose most of them would be considered dictators. Did they teach you the word "dictator" as a derogatory term or a term of neutral classification?
User avatar #65062 to #65061 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
The word monarch would be more fitting. It's like calling richard the lionheart a marshall.
User avatar #65058 to #65051 - teoragnar (06/30/2014) [-]
What emperor?
User avatar #65059 to #65058 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Nicholas II of Russia was an evil dictator. Did you know that?
#65056 to #65051 - devout feminist (06/30/2014) [-]
TODAY, WE LEARNED THAT BEN WAS FAT AND HE MADE POOP
User avatar #65053 to #65051 - jewishcommunazi (06/30/2014) [-]
Doesn't everyone know that?
User avatar #65055 to #65053 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Ok, be an emperor is a dictator.
Get it?
User avatar #65060 to #65055 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
They usually are.
User avatar #65063 to #65060 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Depends on who you are talking about but isn't it more fitting to call an emperor a monarch instead of calling him a dictators. It's more royal.
User avatar #65064 to #65063 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
A dictator is someone with absolute power, nothing more. Emperors hold absolute power, therefore.....
User avatar #65065 to #65064 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Royalty.
User avatar #65067 to #65066 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Royalty.
User avatar #65068 to #65067 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
Saying it twice doesn't make it more true
User avatar #65069 to #65068 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
It's more royal to call an emperor a monarch instead of calling him a dictator.
#65071 to #65070 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
You have been enriched.
You have been enriched.
User avatar #65072 to #65071 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
But who cares that it's more royal to call an emperor a dictator. First off all it's an opinion, second of all that doesn't change anything, third I will never meet and emperor so why would I care.
#65094 to #65072 - youregaylol (07/01/2014) [-]
I think the only emperor left in the world is the Japanese emperor, so unless you become a convincing geisha ya, you probably wont ever meet an emperor.
User avatar #65074 to #65072 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Nigger, I have royal blood in me so you are talking to one.
User avatar #65075 to #65074 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
Does that make you an emperor? Are you in any position of power right now?
User avatar #65076 to #65075 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
Not yet.
User avatar #65077 to #65076 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
Exactly. Royal blood doesn't mean shit. Hierarchies that are not based on dominance are arbitrary and useless.
User avatar #65078 to #65077 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
To you, but time will tell.
User avatar #65079 to #65078 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
You live in central europe right? No surprise that you're so oblivious about ruling a country.
User avatar #65080 to #65079 - schnizel (06/30/2014) [-]
I don't think Bosnia is in central Europe.
User avatar #65073 to #65072 - beatmasterz (06/30/2014) [-]
*not to
User avatar #65099 to #65049 - byposted (07/01/2014) [-]
As claim unverifiable "twitter messages?"
User avatar #65090 to #65049 - aceofshadows (07/01/2014) [-]
Why can't ISIS just split up into different groups because of their beliefs and then start killing each other?
User avatar #65050 to #65049 - PopcornViking (06/30/2014) [-]
If ISIS were to draw Israel into the regional conflict it would make the region’s strange politics even stranger. In Iraq and Syria, Israel’s arch nemesis, Iran, is fighting ISIS. Israel, on the other hand, has used its air force from time to time to bomb Hezbollah positions in Syria and Lebanon, the Lebanese militia aligned with Iran. If Israel were to fight against ISIS in Jordan, it would become a de facto ally of Iran, a regime dedicated to its destruction.

But Jordan is also an important ally for Israel. It is one of two countries (along with Egypt) to have a peace treaty with the Jewish state. Jordanian security forces help patrol the east bank of the Jordan River that borders Israel and both countries share intelligence about terrorist groups in the region.
#65098 to #65050 - byposted (07/01/2014) [-]
>If Israel were to fight against ISIS in Jordan, it would become a de facto ally of Iran, a regime dedicated to its destruction.   
   
This is some great geopolitical analysis.  sarcasm  What kind of a doofus wrote this?
>If Israel were to fight against ISIS in Jordan, it would become a de facto ally of Iran, a regime dedicated to its destruction.

This is some great geopolitical analysis. sarcasm What kind of a doofus wrote this?
User avatar #65045 - robinwilliamson (06/30/2014) [-]
What on earth do people still give automatic applause to people who were in the military in Iraq for? Why do they continue to get away with the pretentious WWII mindset that they're the good guys who were protecting us? And why does the fucking military still feed our children propaganda that we're fighting good fights so join on in? What the hell is going on?
#65095 to #65045 - youregaylol (07/01/2014) [-]
It depends on your definition of protecting. If your definition is enemy troops burning your home down then I would argue that the WW2 troops weren't protecting you either, especially the ones on the european front. If you think about it the US could've simply made peace with japan and all immediate threats would have been taken care of.

But when you think about protecting the countries "interests" the WW2 soldiers could be labeled as "protectors" from a certain point of view. Likewise those who fought in Iraq could be thought of as protectors considering they fought for their nations (declared) interest. Besides, the military builds character in a society that is low on character. It provides opportunity for those seeking to benefit their nation. It mobilizes the people disenfranchised by the government. It opens up pathways to valuable experience that the young currently lack. You're getting pissy at people like me who have actually benefited society. Really dumb and extremely dangerous if you ask me. Veterans are 3 times more likely to find a job than civilians. We're proactive and we vote. We know how to organize and we know how and when to act. I'm a contributing member to 7 different veterans groups, 3 of them local. You don't want to upset us.

The military should always be respected if you want a nation to survive. And if you're worried about propaganda don't look at the fucking military, look at the media for fucks sake. The government bureaucracy, the corporations, the bought "news stations", they're the real problem. Look inside the barn instead of throwing tomatoes at the door.
User avatar #65217 to #65095 - robinwilliamson (07/05/2014) [-]
It's the ignorance of the people joining the army that gets me, and the people that have no idea what we do with the military. First, if I was going to serve, I'd want to know what I was putting my life on the line for. I'd damn sure like to know that I was going into an illegal war, or being the invader and not the protector, or going into fights that will just spawn more hate and more people to fight back, or that I was going into the wrong country. And the military boards do own media portions, and they just keep advertising the military as if joining will put you up against bad guys who are a threat to our home country.
There is a shit ton of military industrial complex power in all the things you listed, and I'm not saying that your wife's cousin that served in the Coast Guard is the guy who said he's absolutely certain there's WMD's in Iraq and that we definitely need to buy time slots on CNN and MSNBC to tell people we need to go there, but it's still military whether you're talkin guys who are tied into the money making part of military or the guys talking to the important press people or the guys who sign up having no idea why.
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