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#124263 - anon
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#124284 to #124263 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
Sarcasm's a bit abstract for Teflon Don.
#124290 to #124284 - redandgreen
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(08/14/2016) [-]
Whenever he gets called out for bullshit he says he was being sarcastic.
#124257 - feelythefeel
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(08/13/2016) [-]
>Egyptians were black
>Jews were black
What the fuck did god mean when he said "Let my people go"?
#124258 to #124257 - shekelnator
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(08/13/2016) [-]
>leaf

the thing of egypsy are black and jews were blacks and built the pyramids is a maymaybe need to be flushed to the sewers
#124259 to #124258 - feelythefeel
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(08/13/2016) [-]
Exactly, it's all bullshit.
#124260 to #124259 - shekelnator
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(08/13/2016) [-]
central, southern and western africans can fuck off. how the fuck these people are not be able develope after being free from their overlords. i dont get it.

i even somehow start to doubt we are all same species. man the fuck they even dont engage in historical bullshit. Mexicans has better culture than these spear chucking coons.

the only ones i respect are eastern Africa aka horn of Africa (except Somalis, Somalis must be lynched and burned in KKK style. uncultured swines)

Look at Ethiopia, Sudan and Djibouti . they got culture and civilization and history and everything able to make them be decent human beings.

i cant even know what the fuck is even wrong with the niggers in the west. we wuz kangs. they fucking be sent to africa and see how will they build another pyramid for fuck sake.


jeeeeeeee

AND THANK GOD WE HAVE NO BLACKS IN SYRIA NO BLACKS MUST BE ALLOWED IN THE LEVANT. we already have subhumans to deal with WE WUZ PROPHETS N SHIT
#124255 - pebar
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(08/13/2016) [-]
the source of authoritarianism
#124245 - thumbfortrump
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(08/13/2016) [-]
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/09/norway-may-block-uk-return-to-european-free-trade-association

UK's chances of joining the European Free Trade Association looks slim, as Norway fear it will lose influence if they do.
#124253 to #124245 - anon
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(08/13/2016) [-]
>Denmark
#124261 to #124253 - thumbfortrump
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whatdoesthathavetodowithanything.gif
#124237 - anon
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#124247 to #124237 - drastronomy ONLINE
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#124248 to #124247 - theism
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(08/13/2016) [-]
More like a weak man. This person exists and in large numbers but it's an easily countered argument.
#124249 to #124248 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(08/13/2016) [-]
No. All of the claims made in the pic do not apply to the character it is intended to portray.
>hating shariah law but wanting christian laws
There is nothing wrong with that. He is not against seperation of church and state, he is against islam because he disagrees with its social and ethical conventions. Not only is this a strawman, but it shifts the goalposts too.
>be a christian and help refugees
there is nothing christian about that. Furthermore, it is a natural argument that we should take care of our own countrymen before we take care of foreigners.
>raising taxes to pay for vets
Raising taxes is never a good thing, especially in a country such as the usa where the economy is stuck in a deflationary gap. Helping veterans in the US requires budget reallocation. Perhaps away from gibsmedat welfare and proxy wars in the middle east.
>homeless kids
Literally no one says that homeless kids does not deserve help. Literally no one. This is such a blatant straw man that you might as well be throwing eggs at a portrait of a straw man. This is literally only saying "conservatives are bad! they hate homeless children!"
>Pro life and no abortions
Again, nothing wrong about this conviction given their already religious disposition. They believe it to be immoral, so they seek to outlaw it. Go figure.
>health care more affordable
How would you do that? By reducing salaries for doctors? Good work, the entire medical sector is on strike. By increasing taxes/taking up loans and allocating subsidies? Good job, you are worsening the deflationary gap and increasing the debt, as well as making loans more expensive for non-state investors. There is literally nothing the US can do now to improve the health care situation in their current economic state. Obamacare is a voter magnet, but in the long run it hurts the economy. This will not change until a surplus budget is achieved and the debt is strongly reduced.
#124250 to #124249 - theism
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(08/13/2016) [-]
I'm not really looking to argue point by point right now, maybe when I get off work but you really don't understand what a strawman is. Strawmanning is misrepresenting someone's arguments or positions. All of these positions are held by many American conservatives. In fact as you just demonstrated, you support all these positions yourself. If you actually believe it, it's not strawmanning.

Also if anything the first ones a false dichotomy, implying the only two possible options are opposing theocracy A and the concept of theocracy. Although if you support theocracy you're straight up retarded.
#124294 to #124250 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(08/14/2016) [-]
Also, the christians do not want a theocracy. They want christianity as a part of the law, not as a judge or ruling power. As you are saying, OPs pic does present a false dichotomy and assumes it is either 100% atheist or 100% theocratic
#124293 to #124250 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(08/14/2016) [-]
Its a strawman because it makes false, projected arguments for their beliefs. I do not neccesarily agree, but i refuse to accept shitty political macros as truth. A strawman is still a strawman if you construct faulty arguments and project them onto the opinions of your adversary.
#124254 to #124250 - youregaylol
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(08/13/2016) [-]
>Make fun of sjws and cucks
theism starts googling straw related puns
>Makes fun of rednecks
ye but they exist so no strawman
#124267 to #124254 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
>Actually misrepresents arguments
"Hurr what's a strawman?"
>Makes fun of people's actual beliefs. Gets butthurt because you hold those beliefs
"Waaah stop strawmanning me."
#124268 to #124267 - youregaylol
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(08/14/2016) [-]
Shave your ass.
#124270 to #124268 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
You'd like that huh?
#124271 to #124270 - youregaylol
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(08/14/2016) [-]
I wouldn't care one way or the other if fat people let their butts be disgusting sewage pits, but when you post your ugly body online it degrades the entire internet that we all use.
#124272 to #124271 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
Sounds to me like somethings got you upset.
#124273 to #124272 - youregaylol
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(08/14/2016) [-]
True. Not upset enough to binge eat though. We have different coping mechanisms i guess.
#124274 to #124273 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
It's interesting you think I'm fat.
#124276 to #124275 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
You know how weight deposits differently on different parts of the body.
#124277 to #124276 - youregaylol
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(08/14/2016) [-]
You have that condition where all the ice cream flows straight to your hairy blubber i guess.
#124278 to #124277 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
You fuck anorexic chick's exclusively or something? How are you not familiar with this slang?
#124279 to #124278 - youregaylol
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(08/14/2016) [-]
>fat hairy ass is slang

#124280 to #124279 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
>The ass was fat
>She's got a fat ass

Doesn't ring a bell?
#124295 to #124280 - anon
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(08/14/2016) [-]
i was under the impression u were normal weight with a big ass
#124281 to #124280 - youregaylol
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(08/14/2016) [-]
1. A girl have a fat ass is different than a dude having a fat ass. It's within reason that a chick could have a shapely, attractive butt that could be called "fat". When a dude is called a fat ass, they mean it literally. You literally have a fat ass.

2. The "hairy" part pretty much guarantees it was negative and meant literally.

Considering you never corrected the anon I would presume it was correct. Plus you confirmed you posted nudes on the gay board.
#124283 to #124281 - theism
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It's funny how long you've been talking about man ass.
#124282 to #124281 - theism
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There's a difference between "you've got a fat ass" and "you are a fatass". Both apply to men or women. Hairy is also preferable in certain circles.
#124252 to #124250 - marinepenguin
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(08/13/2016) [-]
I would be curious about if there was a way to plan a theocratic state that was actually successful in modern times. Many successful nations throughout history have been some form of theocracy, but it's a shunned form of modern governance.

It would be a good thought experiment maybe. Like trying to make feudalism work today.
#124256 to #124252 - figatron ONLINE
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(08/13/2016) [-]
I don't think so. Theocracy inherently relies on complete obedience to religious texts but to be practical, it is a person or group executing and interpreting religious laws. So it would have to be autocratic by nature.
#124251 to #124250 - marinepenguin
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(08/13/2016) [-]
These positions may be held by many conservatives, but they are still presenting them without any sort of accurate pretext.

It's like saying conservatives hate the poor when we want to defund the welfare state, which we believe hurts the poor.

Regardless, it's a pretty huge misrepresentation of the conservative argument.
#124269 to #124251 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
I mean not all conservatives are like that. The Christian laws they want are fairly selective, targeting the things they don't like. They're not all contradictions either.
#124285 to #124269 - marinepenguin
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(08/14/2016) [-]
Well no, but many of them are general conservative positions.
#124286 to #124285 - theism
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(08/14/2016) [-]
Tbh easy access to sex education, abortion and contraception would clean up a lot of the issues conservatives have with the black family.
#124297 to #124286 - marinepenguin
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(08/14/2016) [-]
They already have all of that, the majority of abortions are black fetuses and most blacks simply don't use protection.
#124243 to #124237 - lotengo
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(08/13/2016) [-]
>Ok, lets have separation of church and state?

We already do, what we need is separation of pedomosque and state
#124241 to #124237 - shekelnator
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(08/13/2016) [-]
he is a good goy.

meanwhile in the people who are fighting terrorism his shithole spreads
#124234 - lotengo
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(08/13/2016) [-]
I'm starting to get uncomfortable with the current situation regarding the US elections.
When are Trump and Hillary going 1 vs 1 in a debate?
#124262 to #124234 - akkere
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(08/13/2016) [-]
The first debate doesn't typically happen until sometime around the beginning of Fall. Last election's first debate was in October 3rd, '08 was in Sept. 26, and '04 was in Sept. 20.
So we'll have to wait a whole month before we see the show we're all waiting for.
#124242 to #124234 - shekelnator
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(08/13/2016) [-]
non. because im 100% this is a fake to make sure USrael have a (((freedom))). but we will wait and see if it isnt a fake and we better stand with trump
#124231 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(08/13/2016) [-]
While i am first on the roll:
What are your main qualifications to deem a nation a functional Utopia?

Lets ignore access to basic requirements and go straight to:
-Legal system [ie, direct democracy, dictatorship, monarchy]
-Ideology [ie, anarcho-capitalism, national socialism, liberalism, etc.]
-Religion, ethics and values
-other

Mine:
-Legal system
Direct democracy - there will still be a "president", but these will not conform to any particular party and is voted in every 4 years. In short, they are never career politicians, but can be career leaders once voted into power. They are nominated just like how a 3rd party candidate would - by voicing their own opinions first on a local level, then a semi-local level, then a regional level, then a national level. Presidents and state workers exist only to facilitate the execution of the bills proposed by and/or voted for by the public on online polls which requires a specific login. Furthermore, there will be a website dedicated to "objective" information wherein users can submit information from other reliable sources, which other users then can upvote much like funnyjunk/reddit, but for political facts (ie, crime rates of certain races, religions, etc.), with anonymous comments moderated only to remove spam/nsfw stuff
-Ideology
National conservatism. The idea of a nation is the core of any functioning civilization as it gives a reason for people to work for each other as opposed to only for monetary gain, and of course it must be voluntary. Complete free speech
-Religion, ethics and values
A reformed christianity basing itself primarily on its moral teachings as opposed to "lel jesus bro" which catholicism spews. Basically russian orthodoxy or old-fashion pre-1960s roman catholisism.
other:
Homogenous society
#124264 to #124231 - anon
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(08/13/2016) [-]
>Functional Utopia

Thats nothing but a fantasy.
#124292 to #124264 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(08/14/2016) [-]
functional = effective = "to the highest degree" is what i meant
#124244 to #124231 - thumbfortrump
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(08/13/2016) [-]
System: Representative democracy. The people have neither the time or the qualifications to make thoughtful decisions on every matter that needs to be addressed. Rather have qualified people employed to work fulltime dealing with these problems, and let the people vote on the most important questions.

Ideology:
American conservatism. We are the most powerful, important and best country in the world, and we must do anything in our power to ensure that for the sake of our own survival. We must promote traditional family values, but at the same time remind people that the freedom of the individual comes before everything else. Little government regulation on the free market, but of course needed in some situations, in particular regarding China.

Religion:
I don't care much for religion. Many Western values can be tracked back to the Bible. but it is possible to these views without being religious. Religious people make irrational decisions, and we need reason to stay number one. A total ban on foreign muslims, those inside with American citizenship can't be thrown out.

Other:
Strong ties with Europe. I believe in Europe and I believe they will overcome this cancer that has spread among them. They have been our allies ever since our nation was founded, especially in the 20th century, and only a man with no honor would leave his allies when they need him the most.
I'm also for better relations with Russia, should they decide to change into a democracy and stop their expansionism in Eastern Europe. Until then, I have less than no trust in them. Also, any person who calls himself an anti-globalist but blindly follows Russia is nothing but a fucking hypocrite.
#124235 to #124231 - figatron ONLINE
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(08/13/2016) [-]
Utopias cannot exist. Mainly people try to create them with authoritarianism, and usually fails spectacularly.
#124236 to #124235 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(08/13/2016) [-]
Duh
They cannot exist because humans enjoy conflict despite wanting none. This is hypothetical.
#124232 to #124231 - lotengo
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(08/13/2016) [-]
-Legal system [ie, direct democracy, dictatorship, monarchy]
Democracy, but one where the elected people can be punished by law if they go against the promises they made during the election process
-Ideology [ie, anarcho-capitalism, national socialism, liberalism, etc.]
Capitalism. Globalism when it comes to stuff like the free market and nationalism with other things. Politically close to the center. A conservative society but not to hardcore, a tad of progressiveness to keep if fresh
-Religion, ethics and values
No islam, no fedora tier atheism, tho I don't mind agnostics
-other
No state funded media, no politics in education till people are 15-ish, no religion in education.

Family would be a cornerstone of society, no single moms twerking while their kids are at daycare stuff. And slutshaming shall be an olympic event.

Immigrationlaws are tight, but it is possible to get in, tho you have to give up your dual citizenship in order to get child benefits and the right to vote. As long as one has dual citizenship we can send them back to country of origin for whatever reason we want.

European infrastructure and city's will be designed as a single entity and one building after another.
#124229 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(08/13/2016) [-]
Jesus christ if there is one thing i hate more than all others about leftist rhetoric now a days is the cry of "islamophobia".
Lets just ignore the myriads of barbaric rules it tries to impose and the tenet of inseperability from the church and state. Lets ignore how lefties constantly berate christians for rules far less extreme. However....

I AM A FUCKING MAN WHO TRULY BELIEVES SEX OUTSIDE OF A RELATIONSHIP AND GETTING DRUNK MAKES YOU FILTH YOU USELESS CUNTS IF ANYONE WOULD BENEFIT FROM SHARIAH LAW IT WOULD BE ME.

I do not despise islam because "i am afraid", or because "i am xenophobic". I despise islam for the effects it would have on other people, and the effect it would have on society once it degenerates into the lawless hell that the middle east has become.

Jesus fuck, i am willing to bet that shariah law would actually make me happier. Imagine: adulterers get stoned (no loss there), promiscuous sluts are whipped (they dont deserve that, but the prospect would scare people off), and alchohol consumption plummets. That would remove 3 of what i deem to be the biggest local pets where i live. Does that mean i want sharia law? No! Because it violates the rights and freedoms of people who are not prude males, and i don't want that. Morality must be by choice, not by force, otherwise it is not morality at all, and it just fosters a rebellious, decadent people who fuck goats and young boys for release.

And sure, the argument can be made that "not all muslims want shariah law", and even if that statement is accepted as true despite statistics proving at least 50% do, the point still remains: Islam does not allow the separation of "church" and state, as christianity does. This means that it is extremely likely that, given the adequate social,economic, or political trigger, the entire nation could be subjected to radicalisation and hence the imposition of shariah law. With christianity, on the other hand, the government is above the church, hence making laws such as circumcision and kosher food obsolete in the favour of the wishes of the people.

If islam gets reformed somehow and rejects shariah law as a requirement for an authorative body, and removes the prosecutor, judge, and jury part of the punishment and leaves it to the afterlife like christianity does, then i have few problems with islam as a religion, although i will never find myself agreeing with the quaran or the actions of muhammed. But at least then extremism would not be such a plague as it was today.

TL;DR
im fed up with bad rhetoric and white males would probably benefit from islam although liberals seem to paint white males as "islamophobes" when they criticize the esteemed religion of peace
#124233 to #124229 - lotengo
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>Jesus christ if there is one thing i hate more than all others about leftist rhetoric now a days is the cry of "islamophobia".
For decades the left has used Hitler as a shield/weapon.
Whenever they could not win the argument they draw the Hitlercard to shut people up, the same thing can be applied to the racism card and the more recently developed islamophobia card.
People don't want to be seen as bad so they drop the discussion and start defending themselves as persons. The best thing you can do is shrug it off and not reply to the racismcard, because it is designed to stop you from going further in the main discussion. And once you reply to one of those cards it will be very difficult to change the course of the debait back to the original subject.

So best is to shrug it off like Trump does. But there is hope, people are starting to lose fucks they give about the racism card, its still a good way to stagnate a discussion, but not as powerfull as it was in say 2010.
If this continues the cards will be useless within a few years.
#124227 - anon
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#124188 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
European pride right there
#124228 to #124188 - anon
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(08/13/2016) [-]
I thought you were Norwegian.
#124230 to #124228 - whoozy
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(08/13/2016) [-]
I can be everything you wante to be anon chan
#124210 to #124188 - thumbfortrump
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(08/12/2016) [-]
That's exactly the kind of person that makes right wingers misunderstand and feel alienated from the European Union.
#124211 to #124210 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
Yeah, I posted this as a stereotypical joke, but I guess right wing America literally believes Europe is communist slavery
#124218 to #124211 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
I knew it was a joke on your part, but to that guy posting it it wasn't. That's what my response was to.
#124195 to #124188 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
Silencing bigots only means that you are allowing the goalposts to be moved closer towards complete censorship of opposition.

You are either a free society where you can say what you want, defend yourself, and have due process of the law, or you don't. There is no such thing as a "kinda free" society.
#124197 to #124195 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
I don't buy into that kinda black or white rhetoric
You'd much rather live in Britain than you would Saudi Arabia

Also, it's worth keeping in mind that Europe isn't one single country (even though EU wish it was). There are different laws for free speech everywhere.

That being said I much prefer Europe over America. I don't believe in the right to carry arms, and I don't believe inciting to violence is regarded as free speech any more than you believe threats are.
Besides, pretty much the only people insiting to violence is radical muslims and nothing please me more than seing them thrown in jail for it.

#124200 to #124197 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
If you refuse the right for people to carry weapons, all you're doing is disarming the common man. Taking guns out of the equation doesn't lower violent crime, rape, murders, sexual assaults, etc. Usually the opposite occurs.
#124203 to #124200 - whoozy
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Good. That is exactly what I want. The common man should never be trusted with firearms.

We have a much lower crime rate than the US. Granted this isn't necessarily related to firearms being reserved for police and military, but as it sits I see no reason for trusting the "common man" with lethal firearms. A killswitch is not a human right.
#124221 to #124203 - lotengo
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(08/12/2016) [-]
the US is 60% white.
Thanks to you guys Europe will soon be in the same place, I bet our crime rate will skyrocket past that of the US, especially violent crimes like assault and rape
#124222 to #124221 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
I'm all for a strict immigration policy
I don't see why you blame me for watering out the indigenous population
#124204 to #124203 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
A firearm isn't a "kill switch". It isn't any better at taking a life than a knife, or a bomb. It may he more efficient or it may kill at longer ranges, but it doesn't kill any more easily. Even as a cop, we're trained that a knife, baton, tazer, vehicle, pan, or even fists in many cases, are just as lethal as firearms and can be a prerequisite for lethal for the. Also, even in the United States, far more crimes are prevented and lives saved than are taken away by firearms.
#124206 to #124204 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
It's a lot better at taking a life than a knife. It makes spree killing A skilled martial artist can easily disable a knife assailant. Nobody can do shit when being mowed down by assault rifles.

Guess what, bombs are illegal as well.

You see the difference beween a knife or a fist and a firearm is that firearm is literally made to kill. Knives and fists are tools and unless you're going to mutilate the entire population they have to stay as a necessity.

"Rocks can be used to kill people therefore I need a missile"
Do you see the fallacy?

I believe it's to late for the United States, too many firearms is already in circulation. I don't really see the problem. You can have your wild west over there while we have a stricter society over here. In the end we're both happy with the legislations where we live.



#124215 to #124206 - marinepenguin
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They can fire back if they have weapons too. Most european's and generally people with zero firearms experience generally have a false idea of a weapons capabilities and how efficient they really are. The problem is that disarming the common man doesn't take guns out of the equation, it disarms those who would potentially be able to defend themselves against someone else with a weapon. More guns don't equal more crime, more murders, or more violence.

Gun deaths still occur in areas where they are illegal, and bombs are still built fairly easily and used while being illegal. Something being illegal doesn't mean it gets eliminated from use.

-"Rocks can be used to kill people therefore I need a missile"
Do you see the fallacy? -
No because that's completely misrepresenting the entire argument. No one is saying everyone needs a missile. I only see your fallacy of inflating my argument to seem ridiculous and less agreeable.

I don't have a problem with Europeans not having firearms, it's not your culture and I understand that. I have a problem with people pointing at Europe and fetishizing what your policies are, and claiming we should follow suit.
#124223 to #124215 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
I want the same thing as you
People fetishize your politics as well and call for Europeans to legalise carrying arms (Crowder did this)

Why can't we let Europe be Europe and America be America?
#124224 to #124223 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
Crowder was Canadian and is an American citizen now. So thats a bit different.

Canada is going to have to swing some sort of way.
#124225 to #124224 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
I don't know that much about Canada
Seems like a nice place
It doesn't mean he should recommend the American system for Europe though. From what I've seen he jas a lack of understanding when it comes to European politics.

Either way we both want to and are living our own way so I guess we're good

#124207 to #124206 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
It makes spree killing easier*
#124199 to #124197 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
You either have the freedom to do as you say or please, with the only exception being that you aren't Infringing upon another rights. If you aren't free, you're in a cage, and some cages are just bigger than others.

Also, inciting violence, otherwise known as a call to action, is illegal in the United States. If you tell someone to kill another person and they actually do it, it will make you an accessory to murder. If you yell fire in a theater and there is no fire, you are liable for injuries or damages that occur and will be tried.

Saying that all Muslims are murderers and evil, or that all blacks are stupid, may be bigoted and considered "hate speech" in some places, but it's still an opinion they have a right to hold and voice. But once you begin to give threats, that's when the law becomes involved.
#124202 to #124199 - whoozy
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As I said there are varying degrees of freedom
Theres a lot of room between America and North Korea
Again, I don't buy into this black and white fallacy

Didn't know. I believe youregaylol told me it was legal there along with hate speech.
#124205 to #124202 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
I'm not saying its black and white.
#124208 to #124205 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
You sure seem to imply it
To you it's either your system or no freedom

That is by definition black or white rhetoric
#124213 to #124208 - marinepenguin
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I never said it was the US system that was the ideal system. By no means are we absolutely free here in the US. You could almost argue that absolute freedom would only be able to occur in a system of anarchy.
#124265 to #124213 - anon
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(08/13/2016) [-]
Absolute freedom would need to have a society that is a system of anarchy, but at that point, people would feel no restraints, and the entire society would turn into a shithole.
#124214 to #124213 - whoozy
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You basically said that you are either a free society or not so that's what I interpreted it as

And yes I agree. Absolute freedom wouldn't be a society at all
#124217 to #124214 - marinepenguin
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Having our freedoms restricted to the most minor point while maintaining society should be the goal in my opinion. That would mean maintaining a smaller level of governance, you don't need restrictions in terms of law or government.
#124198 to #124197 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
inciting*
#124191 to #124188 - pebar
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(08/12/2016) [-]
this is just sad......
#124187 - marinepenguin
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So I just recently moved into an apartment by myself, and I found out my neighbors hate cops when they confronted me as I wore my "Police" Squadron Tshirt while doing laundry. A group of them approached me while yelling "Fuck the police", "racist", "pig" etc. I also found out they have known gang affiliations and have had encounters with the police before. This is maybe 20 minutes from Ferguson too.

Looks like I'll be bringing my gun from home this weekend. And I may go to Missouri and buy a weapon or two with my military ID instead of waiting for my FOID card to go through so I can buy one here in Illinois.
#124238 to #124187 - philliyoMLB
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(08/13/2016) [-]
Yeah fuck Missouri, why are you in that shithole?
#124246 to #124238 - marinepenguin
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(08/13/2016) [-]
I'm still in Illinois. But I'm in the St. Louis area for school/military.
#124192 to #124187 - akkere
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(08/12/2016) [-]
Damn dude, I'm sorry to hear you've got to deal with such sacks of shit.
#124194 to #124192 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
It'll all work out I think, out of the other tenants I've met, they're the only ones who have given me any issue for being military/police.
#124189 to #124187 - whoozy
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(08/12/2016) [-]
What is happening in America that creates these lawless communities?
Here in Europe it's usually big concentrations of immigrants that causes this, but in America it seems like it happens with american citizens as well. Especially the black communities.
#124239 to #124189 - philliyoMLB
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(08/13/2016) [-]
Because the new generation of black people don't have any actual racism to deal with while the older ones did. So they just find something to bitch about when they can't find success, it's very typical. Then Successful black people don't care about their communities, they just take the money and run. So really all you hear it from are poor misguided black people is all.
#124226 to #124189 - pebar
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People being taught from an early age the no matter how hard they try, THE MAN will always be out to get them.
#124193 to #124189 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
Honestly out of all my neighbors they're the only ones who have given me any sort of problems.

They're also the only black family.

I'm just a firm believer that there's an issue with the black culture and that the government has destroyed the black family, creating a 1-2 punch of poverty and crime.
#124181 - anon
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"It is estimated, from many reliable sources, that from 70% to 90% of the responsible personnel in the Department of Health, Education and Welfare are Communists."

Who said it, Donald Trump or the John Birch Society?
#124182 to #124181 - theism
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(08/12/2016) [-]
The language is too complicated to be Trump.
#124183 to #124182 - pebar
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"I know this one guy, he's a really great guy, and he told me most of the people who work there are communists, so I don't know. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But what I do know is the department needs to be made great again."
#124180 - theism
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(08/12/2016) [-]
Thumbfortrump let's see a concise recount of your argument for why marijuana should be illegal.
#124240 to #124180 - philliyoMLB
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(08/13/2016) [-]
I smoke weed a lot and I don't think it should be legalized.
#124184 to #124180 - thumbfortrump
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(08/12/2016) [-]
Smoking marijuana can negatively affect your cognitive abilities and mental stability, more than alcohol or cigarettes. healthycanadians.gc.ca/healthy-living-vie-saine/substance-abuse-toxicomanie/controlled-drugs-substances-controlees/marijuana/effects-effets-eng.php www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana The cost of mental ill-health on society is already incredibly high, and releasing a drug that has been linked to significant risk of causing just that, would only send this cost up. www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Focus-on-Health-Making-Mental-Health-Count.pdf
I have also first hand seen the destructive effects on people I care about. It's anecdotal evidence, but it also shaped my view on weed so I think it's important to mention.
#124216 to #124184 - theism
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Alright, so we already established memory impairment as unique to marijuana. We've also established that alcohol and marijuana have similar comorbidity with schizophrenia, anxiety and depression. Alcohol also undeniably has worse withdrawal, potentially being lethal. As far as what's unique to alcohol I've also demonstrated alcohol leads to a reduction in brain mass, early onset dementia and increased risk of seizures.

What's new in your sources is that marijuana may lower IQ. However data suggests alcohol is what lowers iq. www.medicaldaily.com/smoking-marijuana-does-not-lower-iq-scores-alcohol-use-may-307808
Alcohol also has none impacts on multiple areas of the brain and infinitely worse physical symptoms.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_alcohol_consumption

I'm actually glad you brought financial burden into it. Excessive drinking, not just alcohol in general costs over $2 billion annually. That's medical fees, car accidents, violent crime and everything else that comes with it. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_alcohol_consumption

And what about the financial burden of jailing drug users? There's about 1 million arrests for marijuana possession annually. www.tni.org/es/node/16875

In total the government spends about $7 billion annually and could see another $7 billion in revenue from marijuana taxes. Making a net gain of $14 billion, annually. www.prohibitioncosts.org/

Really the only reason you continue to argue this is your own bias.
#124219 to #124216 - thumbfortrump
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(08/12/2016) [-]
So you say alcohol is a financial burden when it's legal?

The only reason I continue to argue is because you asked me to.
#124220 to #124219 - theism
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(08/12/2016) [-]
We've also established that alcohol is a financial burden when illegal (prohibition) and that marijuana prohibition is currently the biggest cost associated with its use.
#124201 to #124184 - marinepenguin
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(08/12/2016) [-]
What costs more? Mental illness in our society or the countless number of people in jail for minor drug related charges that would otherwise be contributing to the economy?

I also think legalizing it, or even just decriminalizing it would reduce the use of it.
#124209 to #124201 - thumbfortrump
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(08/12/2016) [-]
People with mental illnesses often can't contribute to society. And in some cases, the illness and inability to contribute is lifelong.
One solution could be to not jail for drug-related charges when it comes to personal use, but only fine.

I don't see how legalizing would reduce the use of it. Legitimising the use of marijuana will make it much acceptable, and as such the amount of first time users would rise.
#124212 to #124209 - marinepenguin
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The war on drugs has been disastrous and it's only increased the amount of drug abuse and use in the United States and flooded our prisons. It's also hurt central American nations by allowing the cartels to become powerful enough to destabilize entire provinces, leading to greater immigration to the US.

Portugal decriminalized all drugs up to a certain amount and about 15 years later their drug abuse levels have halved and their use is actually down. Mainly it destroys that black market.
#124173 - anon
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(08/11/2016) [-]
For a party that claims to be tired of rich white people rigging the system, they sure are trying hard to put a rich white person rigging the system into presidency.
#124176 to #124173 - theism
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Republicans never had a problem with rich white people rigging the system.
#124177 to #124176 - anon
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Democrats apparently don't either. They just pretend to.
#124178 to #124177 - figatron ONLINE
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To give them credit, they're a lot better at pretending they're not rigging the system
#124159 - shekelnator
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#124185 to #124159 - lotengo
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I'm so gonna use this in an upcoming comp, thnx
#124190 to #124185 - shekelnator
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(08/12/2016) [-]
born to meme
#124175 to #124159 - anon
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Donald hate sleazy media

That's why he's so close to the New York Post and the National Enquirer
#124131 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
www.rt.com/news/355520-ukraine-troops-border-alert/

War is looming between Russia and Ukraine again.
#124133 to #124131 - marinepenguin
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Russia is conducting war games along the Ukrainian border, and the Ukraine is really suspicious about this after Russia's terror accusations. Ukraine is posting troops all along the border and telling hospitals to expect casualties.

I don't think the Ukraine could hold back a full on Russian assault alone, but it would be interesting to see how the Baltic nations react, since it may be in their interest to defend themselves by attacking while Russia is preoccupied.
#124166 to #124133 - theism
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(08/11/2016) [-]
I wonder how the rest of the world would react to full blown war. There was enough backlash over Crimea which at least was technically legal. A full blown invasion though would require some heavy political wrangling.
#124196 to #124166 - marinepenguin
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I think "technically legal is going a bit far. If crimes was technically legal, Germany's invasion of Poland was also "technically legal".

But I think you're right, Russia was already hurt by some sanctions from the Ukraine/Crimea incidents. A full blown war would have some serious backlash.
#124167 to #124166 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
How on earth was Crimea technically legal.
#124168 to #124167 - theism
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Because there was a "referendum" that "real" "Crimeans" "voted" in.
#124169 to #124168 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
It was completely and totally illegal. Acquisition of territory through conquest has been considered illegal since WW2 by practically every country in the world.

Self-determination is recognised but only in very specific situations, and never ever while occupied by another state.
#124170 to #124169 - theism
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The point is the pretext was there. If confronted Putin can simply claim he was enforcing the Crimeans right to privacy. Anyone who talks to loud about it gets polonium in their tea.
#124171 to #124170 - thumbfortrump
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Yeah, but it is extremely rare in international law that states can legally invade a country with the purpose of protecting the citizens of that particular state. The whole thing has been a complete farce. I think I could be a lot more Russia-friendly if it wasn't for the fact that they don't have any respect for borders.

It is a strange hypocrisy or naivety in the right wing camp that we speak against muh globalist imperialist and muh government-controlled media, but keep throwing ourselves in the arms of Putin.
#124172 to #124171 - theism
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The US has already interfered more in a Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya just in recent history. It's completely different but if it Putin wanted to argue that he'd have a case. To justify any sanctions or military action we'd need something more overt.
#124135 to #124133 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
I doubt the Baltics will do anything without the US sanctioning it.
Honestly if Russia attacks they'll steamroll Ukraine. They'd also have to come up with some retarded pretext, but that hasn't stopped them before.

Historically, August is also the perfect movement to conduct stuff like this. Government offices are somewhat empty in August because of vacations. The Berlin wall was build in August 1961. Czechoslovakia was invaded in August 1968. Moscow coup was in August 1991. And most importantly, Georgia was invaded in Augsut 2008.

And speaking of 2008, we were having a presidential election, and the world's focus was on the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. The exact same circumstances as now.
I'll bet my hat this August is one for the history books.
#124149 to #124135 - marinepenguin
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(08/11/2016) [-]
We shall see.
#124134 to #124133 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
>implying hohols and other shitty Baltic nations who support them will do anything. they barely can feed their asses and the result of the war with Russia is them sent to rot in Siberia
#124147 to #124134 - marinepenguin
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Russia is pretty powerful but I think people overestimate their capabilities.
#124162 to #124147 - figatron ONLINE
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(08/11/2016) [-]
they're bullies. They pick on the weak because they can but have little economic capacity to sustain a major war.
#124151 to #124147 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Russia isnt the country you are thinking. havent you seen the war in syria? all their moves are tactical ans strategical and all your shithole plans are failing and your tax dollars to arm terrorists is flushed to the void
#124300 to #124151 - cognosceteipsum
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(08/14/2016) [-]
*cough* Нохчий *cough*
#124165 to #124151 - theism
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Russia did pretty great in Afghanistan huh?
#124132 to #124131 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
hohols are fucking up. and this time will fuck up badly
#124136 to #124132 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
What do you mean?
#124137 to #124136 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
you dont know what hohol is?
#124138 to #124137 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
No, I mean why do you think they have fucked up.
#124139 to #124138 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
when they actually never fucked up?

t. stalin
#124140 to #124139 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Couldn't the same thing be said for Russia, they're alike in so many ways.
#124141 to #124140 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Russia with one click can wipe them up
#124142 to #124141 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Do you think they should start a nuclear war?
#124174 to #124142 - anon
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(08/11/2016) [-]
at the gay bar
gay bar
gay bar
#124179 to #124174 - thumbfortrump
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(08/12/2016) [-]
wtf
#124143 to #124142 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Godless USrael seems so to start it.
#124144 to #124143 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Why?
#124145 to #124144 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
why wouldn't a war mongering country not use nukes when they did twice before?
#124146 to #124145 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Don't you think it's strange that you don't want US troops in Syria, but you're fine with Russian troops in Ukraine?
#124148 to #124146 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
but they are moderate freedom fighters
#124150 to #124148 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
But really mate. I am against US troops in Syria, they were not invited.

For the same reason I am against Russian troops in Ukraine. It is a sovereign state.
#124152 to #124150 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
its a geopolitical games you knows. a game for influence. as a matter of time. more people are changing their minds on Russia and supporting it.

US = create terrorists and destruction
Russia = pulverizing what US trying to do.

Russia is the only western country that fights terrorism in the world while foolishly the west arms them then sends them to their land.

enjoy the rapefugees :^)
#124153 to #124152 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
So you don't mind if Russia invades a sovereign state?
#124154 to #124153 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
only to fight terrorism. or do you want more Zionist stooges and jihadis in your land raping all your beautiful white meat :^)
#124155 to #124154 - thumbfortrump
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Are you saying Ukraine is filled with jihadis? You're being an imperialist right now.
#124161 to #124155 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
i said go join /sg/ and /ug/ jeee
#124158 to #124155 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
too much blue pilled. you must have join the /ug/
#124160 to #124158 - thumbfortrump
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Just like I don't believe everything my government tells me, you shouldn't believe everything Assad or Putin tells you.
#124156 to #124155 - shekelnator
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filled with untermensch
#124157 to #124156 - thumbfortrump
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But Putin says he wants to protect people in East Ukraine, why would he want to protect untermenschen
#124128 - shekelnator
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(08/11/2016) [-]
CNN cheerleader for al-Qaeda at UN 8 Aug 2016:
Clarissa Ward: Islamist factions heroes on the ground in Aleppo

(((war on (((Terror)))))) lel
#124126 - anon
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#124163 to #124126 - anon
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(08/11/2016) [-]
Hillary

"There is nothing in those emails! Stop looking for them!"
#124125 - anon
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