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#107197 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I guess countries that are not US have to take the victories they can get.

It actually says a lot about our military that this is all they can muster.
#107216 to #107197 - anon
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(02/20/2016) [-]
come on now, you're smarter than this.

they don't go in full fleet every time they move around. it was one boat and it had engine problems, you think they were going to fight the Iranians? that political and literally suicide.

they didn't go in to attack Iran, they just entered the territory.
#107237 to #107216 - thumbfortrump
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(02/20/2016) [-]
That's my exact point.
#107268 to #107237 - anon
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(02/20/2016) [-]
Sorry, I misinterpreter your comment.

I took it as you saying the US was terrible, not Iran taking something so little as a big victory.

My bad.
#107269 to #107268 - thumbfortrump
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(02/20/2016) [-]
Yes, exactly.
#107266 to #107237 - anon
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(02/20/2016) [-]
that doesn't make sense.

you're saying the US Military isn't as strong because of an accident?
#107267 to #107266 - anon
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(02/20/2016) [-]
wait no, scratch that.
#107163 - kanadetenshi
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It's so funny seeing leftists tell me how i hate the poor for supporting a flat tax, while defending a regressive tax on alcohol, tobacco, fast food, marijuana, ect.
#107209 to #107163 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Those aren't survival essentials though. That's less economics motivated and more morality motivated. Doesn't justify it but it's not really hypocritical.
#107210 to #107209 - kanadetenshi
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Why should poor people be economically punished for wanting to buy anything beyond what they need to survive?
#107211 to #107210 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
The idea is to economically punish people for doing "undesirable" things. Additionally to take advantage of inelastic demand on addictive substances.
#107212 to #107211 - kanadetenshi
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I doubt excise tax has ever actually prevented people from quitting smoking or drinking alcohol.
#107213 to #107212 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Obviously, hence why it's effective at drawing revenue, however it gives the appearance of doing something about it.
#107214 to #107213 - kanadetenshi
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Scamming the poor under the guise of good will has never been more fun.
#107215 to #107214 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It's not really a scam. It appeals to moralists by appearing as opposition to vices and it appeals to pragmatists as an effective revenue source.
#107217 to #107215 - anon
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(02/20/2016) [-]
Regressive taxes on drugs and fast food only hurts the poor. That's just a fact.
#107219 to #107217 - theism ONLINE
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(02/20/2016) [-]
Fast food and drugs also hurt the poor.
#107184 to #107163 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
They'd rather have the poor poorer than the rich richer.
#107179 to #107163 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Also
>Leftists that think high corporate taxes are good
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
#107152 - alimais
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Who are the cool guys of /politics/ ?
#107185 to #107152 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Me
#107203 to #107185 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Why would anyone drink liberal tears? They probably taste like weed and tofurkey burgers.
#107186 to #107185 - alimais
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(02/19/2016) [-]
#107188 to #107186 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Please beat up some migrants for me I'd ask you to kill them but thats too much risk
#107189 to #107188 - alimais
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Poison mushrooms are killing them in my country
#107192 to #107189 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>Not knowing how to properly mushroom pick
#107161 to #107152 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
All the right wing.
#107159 to #107152 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Who cares
This board hit the shit and became shitposter heaven sometime last year
#107160 to #107159 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
theres very little shitposting that i see

maybe you just haven't hidden the undesirables
#107162 to #107160 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>>#107098
le left and right is the same meam
>>#107021
le other people are dumb meme
>>#106991
Le conspiracy meme
>>#106974
im 15 and what is politics
>>#106780
le 7 word post
>>#106772
Le normies dont know anything meme. Do not need to explain why though
>>#106703
Le military meme
>>#106686
le left and right are the same meme

i could keep going
#107190 to #107162 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Try to use actual words. "Le left right is the same mean" doesn't translate well.
#107198 to #107190 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Fine
*in this comment, we observe an individual who displays delinquint opinions, often observed among young teenagers. This opinions entails the belief that both wings on the political spectrum are similar in nature, despite the fact that no proof exists to back up this claim. The individual with opinions such as these is often rebellious in nature, and has a strong contempt for any establishment, therein his parents. By coming with such claims on the image board upon which we are currently engaging in a discussion, the individual degrades whatever essence of intellectual debate that was once present, and thus debilitates whatever merit the board has. Furthermore, these assertions have a tendency to be unoriginal, and are often found every few days, and thus their merit are reduced more still.

Happy?
#107199 to #107198 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
So then you didn't understand what I said. I didn't say they were the same or similar, I said that all candidates suck.
#107200 to #107199 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
If you come up with one good reason besides "they are le stoopid", then i will stop complaining.
#107201 to #107200 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>Trump's trade policies are doomed to fail, not even getting in to foreign policy.
>Sander's plans can't work in the US economic climate.
>Clinton doesn't seem to have opinions, she only cares about being elected.
>You can look at my response on the post about Cruz and Rubio.
#107202 to #107201 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>Why?
>Duh. he's a democrat
>Duh, she's a democrat
>>#107193

In any case, you are retarded to think you somehow have more political prowess than businissmen, long-term politicians, etc. You are even more retarded to believe your solutions would have any merit as well.
#107204 to #107202 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>Protectionism wrecks the economy. Ask any economist.
>Partisan tool.

You're retarded if you think I'm saying I'd be a better politician.
#107205 to #107204 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>Protectionism can have merits under certain circumstances. Ask any economist
>"I dont like him "

Once again, despite whatever your opinions against trump and the democrats, Cruz, Carson and Rubio are all equally bretty good.
#107206 to #107205 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>Rarely and not in the sense Trump is thinking.
>You're right, I don't like you.

See the thing about opinions is they vary from person to person, and honestly (aside from Rubio) I totally disagree.
#107164 to #107162 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
A good portion of those were just anons and dummies, still I'm not sure you know what shitposting is, many of those are legitimate threads.
#107165 to #107164 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
No. Politics is for discussing current events, social and political philosophy (beyond 7th grade tier shit eg the left-right is same meme) and predictions. Not posting lone memes, conspiracies, and edginess.

And all those were taken from the last 30 or so posts on the board.
#107166 to #107165 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
#107167 to #107166 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Fun is allowed
As long as it is supported by good arguments and topics
#107168 to #107167 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
nerd
#107169 to #107168 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
fag
#107170 to #107169 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
wow thats offensive

you shouldn't mock donalds hair by using it as your avatar
#107171 to #107170 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It is supposed to show golden ratio lines on it
#107172 to #107171 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
what do you think about bernie
#107173 to #107172 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Cancer
#107174 to #107173 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Good man. Are you an amerifag, and if so are you voting for Trump or nah.
#107175 to #107174 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Not amerifag. From norway, which the old man tries to emulate despite the 17 trillion debt in the US and the fact that we still have a surplus.
Would vote for Trump. Cruz would be my second choice.
#107176 to #107175 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Is it true that right wing parties are on the rise in scandinavia.
#107177 to #107176 - drastronomy
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>Sweden
Yes
>Denmark
Yes
>Finland
Yes
>Iceland
Probably
>Norway
Nope. There is in fact leftist growth, although the progress party (the most rightist party, ironically enough) have gained 2% or something.
#107178 to #107177 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
sucks 4 u
#107098 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
This election is going to suck. No discernable good candidates, shit flinging, shitty memes. No matter who wins we all lose.
#107187 to #107098 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Please explain why Marco or Cruz are bad? Especially comparing them to the likes of Bernie and Clinton.
#107191 to #107187 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Both favor increased military spending, cruz wants to drag us into another war with ISIS, I like Rubios plan to keep us out of one though. Cruz wants to abolish the irs, flat tax rate is all fine and good but that's idiotic, if you're going to have a tax you need a collection agency. Both have odd ideas about education, Rubio wants to dissolve the federal board of education. Rubio supports the innefective meta data collection campaign by the NSA. Can't agree with them socially, pro life, anti gay marriage, pro drug prohibition, at least Cruz feels it should go state by state.
#107193 to #107191 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>higher military spending
Note that our military to GDP spending isn't actually that high, America is just a massive economy and thus prone to having a high military budget compared to other countries data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS
Not only that but America pretty much is NATO and acts as a protector of the West's interests so it naturally needs a big military, however I can understand why you wouldn't want to raise it.

>cruz wants to drag us into another war with ISIS
LOL what...? I have no idea what you mean, if you are referring to bombing them then yes literally everyone supports that.

>Cruz wants to abolish the irs, flat tax rate is all fine and good but that's idiotic, if you're going to have a tax you need a collection agency
I think this argument is kinda stupid, you're basically assuming Ted Cruz is mentally retarded. When he means abolishing the tax collection agency known as the IRS, he means at its current state. Of course there is going to be a tax collector for the government or else they wouldn't have any money!

>Both have odd ideas about education
Such as....? No common core? State by state?

>Rubio supports the ineffective meta data collection campaign by the NSA
Agree, notice how you didn't mention Cruz

>Can't agree with them socially
So this kinda stuff to me is rather petty. First off I'm pretty sure Cruz wants gay marriage and abortion to be state by state because he and other republicans except for crazy ones know that American states are very divided in terms of blue/red. I really don't see what's bad about letting individual states decide (constitutional republic) instead of forcing any side to except the other. Think that's pretty fair. As for banning late term or partial birth abortion, I think only a sick fuck would actually support that. I'm all for abortion even though I don't think its a moral act but that is a line too far.

>drugs
I think Cruz takes a very solid stance on this as well, as a constitutional republic, American states should do what they desire because America is not a homogeneous nation. I think Cruz takes a pretty solid, constitutional and moral stance on social issues - "Not a fan of this stuff and I think we shouldn't be forced to accept it but states should decide".
#107194 to #107193 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
(I'm not at my computer right now I'll type up a reply in a bit)
#107277 to #107194 - memesinthesky
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(02/20/2016) [-]
le
#107156 to #107098 - valeriya
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(02/19/2016) [-]
If in doubt spoil your ballot.
#107157 to #107156 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Probably what's going to happen.
#107139 to #107098 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'm almost at the point where I'd say anyone but Trump.
#107140 to #107139 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I hate to say it but I honestly think Hillary's going to fuck up the least, considering she's unlikely to rock the boat.
#107141 to #107140 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I don't want Hillary but I think you're probably right.
#107143 to #107141 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Trump's ridiculous, Sander's plans just won't work in this country and I don't even want to look into the other republican candidates.
#107145 to #107143 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I think Sander's ideas could work - they have done elsewhere. He'll never get the chance though.
#107147 to #107145 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I mean they can't work in the US. Our high population, low gdp per capita and major income inequality make it impractical.
#107149 to #107147 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
You might be right.
#107075 - lotengo
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Turkey has no chill.
images.8tracks.com/cover/i/001/888/468/tumblr_inline_mj9jzjs5Uj1qz4rgp-2158.png?rect=12,0,475,475&q=98&fm=jpg&fit=max
We really need to kick these fuckers out of NATO before they fuck up everything
#107154 to #107075 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I hate Turkey too.
But it's also important to remember that SAA is doing the same with barrel bombs.
Still, Turkey has no place in a Western alliance.
#107180 to #107154 - lotengo
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I honetly think Russian culture has more in common with the rest of NATO than Turkey.
Plus that entire fighter plane and the pilot thing was just a giant dick move
#107181 to #107180 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I agree. But they're too corrupt to be taken into consideration.

Plus they hate us.
#107182 to #107181 - lotengo
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Putin respects Trump.

I doubt it will go hand in hand after that but i do believe we can work side by side instead of working around each other in the middle east
#107183 to #107182 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I would like that, but unless they respect our NATO partners turkey excluded , I wouldn't enjoy any corporation.
#107155 to #107154 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Killing civilians that is.
#107076 to #107075 - lotengo
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(02/19/2016) [-]
wrong link, sorry i forgot i just uploaded a pic via link
www.rt.com/news/332951-kurds-burned-alive-turkey/
#107062 - Zaxplab
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Could Texas make it in the real world if it seceded?

I don't mean like a Civil War thing, I mean like if they demanded freedom and the US was like "Fine, whatever, fuck."
#107069 to #107062 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Of course, a massive technology sector, natural resources, oil reserves, great infrastructure, great business climate, I don't see why it couldn't theoretically work. Though I doubt it's ever going to happen until the USA explodes.
#107063 to #107062 - pebar
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Can Texas Secede from the Union CGP Grey did a video
#107027 - pebar
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Ben Shapiro on Gay Marriage Gun Control and Piers Morgan Interview Part 3 I've been watching a lot of Ben Shapiro vids lately
#107345 to #107027 - anon
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(02/21/2016) [-]
Ep 75  Trump Smacks Down Pope  And Hes Right Audio

Nice, I've been doing the same. I strongly recommend to you his podcast.

Also he legitmately converted me to Cruz 2016 from Trump. I'm not joking, him alone did it.

-lulz
#107158 to #107027 - kanadetenshi
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(02/19/2016) [-]
He's an insufferable cunt at times, like when he keeps accusing Ron Paul of being an antisemite. But he's skillful in debating the left like not many conservative/libertarians can.
#107031 to #107027 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
The Guy Who Thinks Hitler Was A Liberal? Yeah, No.
#107070 to #107031 - Zaxplab
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Well, he did try to liberate jews from the earth.
#107033 to #107031 - pebar
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(02/19/2016) [-]
name one economic issue that's different
#107066 to #107033 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Military build up.
#107065 to #107033 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I don't recall Hitler being LGBT
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#107067 to #107065 - pebar
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#107136 to #107067 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Aren't you the one that argued 'everything is economic' before?
#107127 to #107067 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
You can't base one's politcal standpoint solely on economic issues.
#107068 to #107067 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Military spending has nothing to do with the economy?
#107021 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>There are still people out there that think the U.S invaded Iraq for oil
>There are still people out there that think 911 was an inside job for oil money
>There are still people out there that think Bush blatantly and purposefully lied about WMDs
>There are still people out there that think Obama is doing a better job than Bush when it comes to the middle east

#107132 to #107021 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Straight talk John McCain on the Iraq war and oil

I can't believe anyone could be stupid enough to think it was not about oil.
#107311 to #107132 - anon
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(02/20/2016) [-]
Still waiting for that response.
#107221 to #107132 - anon
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(02/20/2016) [-]
Answer me this...if it was about oil why did the U.S not get any?

Fucking checkmate, inb4 no responce.
#107077 to #107021 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
General Wesley Clark on that matter

General Wesley Clark Wars Were Planned  Seven Countries In Five Years
#107074 to #107021 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
1. They did
2. That's dumb
3. His administration did, as did the British
4. They're both bad but Obama inherited this mess from Bush
#107274 to #107074 - thumbfortrump
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(02/20/2016) [-]
Prove that we invaded Iraq for oil.
#107052 to #107021 - thumbfortrump
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Preach.
#107023 to #107021 - pebar
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(02/19/2016) [-]
#107024 to #107023 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
..how does the video relate to what I said?
#107011 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
So if anyone ever wonders why I think snopes is a pile of shit this article will give you some insight.

www.snopes.com/marine-attack-blm-claim/

They rank the claim that the marine was attacked by BLM as "false" despite the fact the marine outright said they asked him "If black lives matter" and called him a racist before coon punching him.

The reasoning? Well he was hit in the head so he must not be thinking straight and the police haven't been able to confirm for certain if they're connected to BLM because they haven't fucking caught them yet.

Obviously the victims testimony coupled with the random sucker punch and mob attack aren't proof enough. BLM dindu nuffin yet again.

Burn the media down.
#107029 to #107011 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Village People  In the Navy OFFICIAL Music Video 1978 Dead Gay Boy Sailor
#107025 to #107011 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
All we have is one primary source on the incident so it's not really a reliable story to go off. Funny that this one incident is enough to make you hate snopes.
#107026 to #107025 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
We have a video of the incident and testimony from the victim, that is literally all you need. Those who choose not to believe the victim here have an agenda, plain and simple.

I've always said that snopes and factcheck are particularly biased in their reporting. It's not always what they report but what they don't report.
#107028 to #107026 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Looking at the actual facts snopes assessment seems pretty spot on, he was attacked and the teens fled the scene. We can't conclusively say what happened until the perpetrators are apprehended and identified. If this is your exemplar, snopes doesn't look all that biased.
#107030 to #107028 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
They're deliberately casting doubt on the victims testimony while trying their damnedest to disassociate BLM from the incident. If this were a bunch of white guys randomly beating up a black in the south and the black later said it was racially motivated would there be any real doubt? No.
#107032 to #107030 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
We have one account from a guy with a hazy memory, not necessarily conclusive. Ago, wait for more info to break. And yeah people have been caught faking that all the time. Additionally there's a difference between being racially motivated and being connected to say the KKK.
#107034 to #107032 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
We have one account from the victim who was caught on tape getting the shit beaten out of him. He seems pretty confident in all his statements, nobody just gets punched into believing the person said "do you think black lives matter" while being called a racist.

In another scenario, if there was video of a woman being raped with no sound, would anyone besides a defense attorney claim she was lying about the words being spoken? Nope.

All those questioning this marines story have an agenda, it's that simple.
#107036 to #107034 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
That's not to say they couldn't have said those things of course. There's just no way of knowing until more breaks on the story.
#107038 to #107036 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
No one would doubt a rape victim whose rape was filmed, they shouldn't doubt an assault victim whose assault was filmed.
#107133 to #107038 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Nobody is saying he wasn't assaulted.
#107134 to #107133 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Nobody is saying that someone is saying he wasn't assaulted.
#107135 to #107134 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
"No one would doubt a rape victim whose rape was filmed, they shouldn't doubt an assault victim whose assault was filmed"

Then your comparison is shit.
#107137 to #107135 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'm talking about doubting the words they tell you after the fact you dummy, as in if a woman is raped and then tells the police something the rapist said.
#107138 to #107137 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Look at the conviction rate for rape and then think about that.

The fact is that your racism is skewing your view. You have no real idea of whether the attackers were affiliated with BLM or not and neither do I.
#107142 to #107138 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Okay, what in the fuck are you talking about. What does the conviction rate for rape have to do with anything?

I'm saying if a crime is caught on camera, you believe what the victim tells you after the fact. If a rape is caught on camera, and the rape victim says that the rapist sang a lullaby to her during it, you believe her.

If a marine is beaten up by a gang of dindus on camera, you believe what he says.

The fact is your stupidity is clouding your view.
#107144 to #107142 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
A lot if you're claiming women are believed about what's happened.

You shouldn't automatically believe every detail of any claim though, especially when people have gone through trauma.

"If a marine is beaten up by a gang of dindus on camera, you believe what he says."

There we have it. You don't believe in due process etc. because the colour of the attackers skin fits your prejudice.

I'm not stupid, I believe in research and reasoned debate. Look to yourself for the idiocy and blind clinging to prejudice.
#107148 to #107146 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
That's about what I'd expect. As I said - you refuse any evidence, or lack of it, that doesn't fit your prejudice and can't actually debate anything.
#107150 to #107148 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I literally just spent hours dealing with a minor idiot, if you think I'm going to sit here and take on the boss level moron, well, you know.
#107151 to #107150 - redandgreen
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Awwwww..... Go and listen to a couple of hours of marching songs or attend a KKK rally and I'm sure your retard wall will be rebuilt.
#107153 to #107151 - youregaylol
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#107040 to #107038 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
What if a rape victim named a specific person as an accomplice with no evidence? Should we treat that person as an accomplice?
#107043 to #107040 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
A facile analogy, the marine here isn't naming anyone specifically, he's repeating what his attackers told him. If the victim said that her rapists called each other "Tuco" and "Fred" and the rape is caught on video we should believe her even if the two mens names were really "John" and "Mango" and they were just using aliases. You must believe the victim if there is concrete proof like video.
#107045 to #107043 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
That's not very solid reasoning. You're saying we must make an incident out of this because we know he got beat up? If I get my buddies to beat me up and a McDonald's would you believe a news story I got published saying they shouted Heil Trump or something else idiotic? Fact is, the guy could have misremembered. Maybe he's right and they did say that ,what's wrong with waiting for details?
#107047 to #107045 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'm saying we should believe the victim, and unless you're accusing the victim of setting this up, which I wouldn't really put past you, your analogy is ridiculous.

Fact is, Obama may be a lizard man and Trump may be a robot, any manner of crazy thing could be true, it doesn't mean we should give credence to those theories. I'll say it again, anyone doubting this victim has a very clear agenda.
#107048 to #107047 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Why? Why is waiting for clarification a sign of agenda? Why is jumping to conclusions the only logical outcome. It's because you want this story to be true. Plain and simple. The only agenda here is yours and it's painfully obvious. I'm going to let you in on a little secret, I don't like blm either. Police reform is important for a lot of reasons including racism but marching down highways and screaming at people is ridiculous. The difference is it dislike them for stories that have already broken, not half baked news articles.
#107053 to #107048 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
A video of a man being assaulted and his testimony about his attackers is not a "half baked news story" and the fact that you would even imply that proves my point, you're agenda driven.

Somehow I doubt you'd be this judicial if it was a rape victim as was discussed above, or maybe not if the rape would damage a leftwing cause.

I actually wish the story wasn't true, like you. I wish BLM weren't a bunch of rabid dindus and I wish that blacks in general were more civilized and didn't attack innocent people in droves. But this is the world we live in, and the only way to fix our problems is by confronting them. Living in denial is out of the question anymore.
#107055 to #107053 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It's like you're ignoring everything that doesn't fit perfectly with how you think. You think I'm arguing for a legitimately balanced approach towards a story damaging a group I don't care for because I'm agenda driven? It's simply mind boggling.
#107057 to #107055 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Nah, it's pretty easy to figure out. I think you're arguing for a biased story that shields a group that you have sympathies for, whether you admit it or not, for an agenda.
#107060 to #107057 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
What you actually believe is that I'm pretending to hate a group I secretly love to convince someone I know nothing about and don't particularly like that they're infallible, simply by pointing out that certain details about a story remain unknown? You're simply delusional.
#107059 to #107057 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Or you want me to be doing that because the only alternative is that you were overzealous and jumped the gun.
#107035 to #107034 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Or people don't like injecting politics into situations with no justification. Especially groups like snopes that point out hoaxes and misconceptions. You can call bias all you like but it looks like you're the one biased.
#107037 to #107035 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
The situation is already political as the victim has claimed BLM supporters attacked him, leftists and their friends in the media don't like that, hence the victim doubting. I guarantee you it will turn into some form of victim blaming at some point as well, "He should've just said black lives matter, why is that so hard for him? Is he really a racist?"

Of course I'm biased, but I'm not a reporter and I don't claim objectivity. If snopes wore their BLM biases on their sleeve I would just ignore them, theres no shortage of openly left wing journalists after all.
#107039 to #107037 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
All we know is that he made it political. Maybe it was but as yet we know nothing. You're accusing people saying "we know nothing" of trying to cover some story up but frankly it just doesn't look that way.
#107041 to #107039 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
"All we know is that he made it political. "

Ah, see. This is what I mean, this blatant doubting of a US marine assaulted on video is despicable. You'd rather believe he lied than accept that he was telling the truth and was assaulted by BLM thugs. You can rationalize it as you will, but it's clear that snopes is trying to make it seem that the man was either punched retarded or is lying.
#107042 to #107041 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'd rather believe we don't know than turn a crime into a national fucking incident. You can try to guilt trip me for not being an ideologue all you like but honestly it's not going to convince me.
#107044 to #107042 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
You're already an ideologue, just a leftist ideologue, on't play the game of moderate with me.

I know you'd rather not turn this into a national incident as it makes a leftist alligned group look bad, but it already is and no amount of smearing a decorated war hero will change that.
#107046 to #107044 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
You think I'm an ideologue because I don't share every fucking opinion you have, or you think saying that will make you look better but the fact is the targeted group has nothing to do with it, it's capitalizing on a man's misfortune for political motivation, which is disgusting. Calling it smearing a veterans honor is even more ridiculous and frankly you're still trying to guilt trip me.
#107049 to #107046 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
"You think I'm an ideologue because I don't share every fucking opinion you have, or you think saying that will make you look better"

Pro tip, if I can say the exact same thing too you it's probably not a great argument.

The casual violence and racial entitlement that BLM promotes has everything to do with it, ignoring their violence while blaming their victims would be textbook political motivation. I'm sure the man appreciates you feeling for his misfortune while you call him either a liar or a retard.
#107050 to #107049 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
See you're still putting words in my mouth. I can't tell if you do it on purpose or you just think that's how people interact. I'm calling you an ideologue because you're reacting to a balanced approach to a story as if it were the worst of bias. You actually like doubting this story is a personal attack on the victim. Reminds me of the uva rape case. Fact is, we don't know what happened, why is it bad to admit that?
#107056 to #107050 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
And I'm calling you and ideologue for denying an obvious victims testimony while calling an obviously biased story balanced. Doubting a victims words is actually a very serious insult, you're telling him that he's either lying, or what he remembered didn't happen.

Fact is, we don't know the full details of what happened on anything, the Kennedy assassination, 9/11, the killing of Bin Laden, theres always going to be some measure of doubt. Is it your position that we should be aloof on all these subjects instead of looking at the information we have and making obvious conclusions?

This case is actually really straightforward, we have a clear video of the victim being attacked, and we have the victims testimony. Its cut and dry for the most part.
#107058 to #107056 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Why s it biased though? All it says is we don't know, which we don't and we won't until more details break. You say it's biased because it doesn't say what you want it to say.

Well as to the events you listed, treating 9/11 as definitely flawlessly investigated, Lee Harvey Oswald as the only possible assassin of Kennedy, and the killing of Bingo Laden as definitely suspect are all very flimsy claims, so yeah I would say there's doubt around your claims.

And yet we can only verify one of those things.
#107012 to #107011 - mixednuts
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(02/19/2016) [-]
"WHAT'S FALSE: The teens involved have been identified as Black Lives Matter activists and are sought in connection with a "previous incident."

They don't deny the possibility that the teens involved were at all involved with BLM, just that is hasn't been confirmed, as the only evidence to go on is Marquez's testimony.

"The head blow Marquez sustained left his memory dazed, but Mason’s review of security footage helped him piece together what occurred." Snopes doesn't claim that being hit on the head made Marquez's testimony unreliable, they quote the Daily Caller article that this claim originates from. What they do say is "(In one account, Marquez stated that his recollection was jogged by a phone call with Mason about the incident, revealing that some of the details he "remembered" were possibly described or suggested to him after the fact.)"

"So while it's true Marquez was involved in an altercation and subsequently robbed, the identities of the suspects remained unknown. Police in Washington, D.C. told us that there was no evidence of a link between the dispute and Black Lives Matter activism, nor did any police reports suggest the teens were already wanted for a "previous incident."

All that's being implied is to wait till more information other than hearsay is known before joining an online lynch mob spurred on by a meme, you fucking mouthbreather.
#107016 to #107012 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
oh the irony, the leftist preaching about bias

Take a look at fucking America. I need not say more.
#107014 to #107012 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
"as the only evidence to go on is Marquez's testimony."

Doubting the victim? Not very progressive of you.

"Snopes doesn't claim that being hit on the head made Marquez's testimony unreliable"

Actually thats exactly what they implied, hence why they made it a point to mention it. That whole section was dedicated to casting doubt on the victims testimony.

"other than hearsay"

Ya, hearsay like the victims account of what happened. But because he blamed BLM he must be either lying or he remembered it wrong.

Leftists are so funny when they try to defend their pet monkeys. It's cute that you love your dindus so much, but please stop being a scumbag by doubting this decorated marines testimony because BLM has once again revealed that they're feral animals, thx.
#107018 to #107014 - mixednuts
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(02/19/2016) [-]
When have I ever described myself as a Progressive or implied that a victim's claims should be accepted wholesale without any further verification?

I'm aware that human memory is flawed and that people can be opportunistic, and because of this, I'm exercising skepticism. I'm not denying the possibility that the events happened similar to or exactly how Chris Marquez described them. As is Snopes despite what you claimed. My "spin job" fucking kek

Once the suspects have been found and witnesses questioned, we can see if Chris Marquez's claims are verifiable. For all we know, the attackers could have been even more blatant about involvement with BLM than he remembered.
#107022 to #107018 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'm not sure tbh, I don't really know who you are. Still though, theres video evidence of this marine being attacked. If there was video evidence of a rape I think most courts would take the victims word for it in regards to verbal words spoken. This attack was particularly viscous, therew as obviously some animosity in these dindus.

They were very clearly trying to discredit the marines testimony, the only reason anyone would ever doubt a victims testimony in a case this obvious with video proof is if they had an agenda, that agenda being protecting BLM.

And they could just say he called them nigger and thats why they coon punched him. I'm going to believe the marine victims words, as should any rational person.
#107013 to #107012 - mixednuts
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(02/19/2016) [-]
God damn, this is incredibly misleading. You people would make great pundits.
#107061 to #107013 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It's amusing trying to argue with someone who views inconvenient facts as bias.
#107078 to #107061 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Trying to get support from your fellow mongoloids makes you look desperate tbh fam
#107113 to #107078 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
So are you 16?
#107114 to #107113 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
No, I'm afraid you'll have to live out your fantasies elsewhere.
#107115 to #107114 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Then yeah, get help. I pegged you at 12.
#107116 to #107115 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
"I pegged you at 12."

If that wasn't a Freudian slip I don't know what is.
#107118 to #107116 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
You've never heard that expression?
#107119 to #107118 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Oh I've heard it, I just get the feeling you've lived it.
#107120 to #107119 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'm sensing some sexual insecurity here.
#107121 to #107120 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It's great that you're finally able to examine yourself, thats the first step to healing that trauma. Good for you.
#107123 to #107121 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Do your inadequacies stem from a desire to exploit other peoples insecurities or a fear of your own? The only way to get over your issues is to acknowledge them.
#107124 to #107123 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Is that what you think is happening? That I'm exploiting your hurt feels?

I'm sorry, tell me your story little one. Who hurt you first, mommy, daddy, gym teacher, what?
#107125 to #107124 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
We're just trying to lock down the source of your more glaring personality flaws. So did you act out as the only way of getting attention as a child or were you bullied? Judging by your one track insults I'm guessing you had some intellectual development issues that were mocked and you feel like living out some revenge fantasy.
#107096 to #107078 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Why should I come back. You have a strange understanding of my opinion of you.
#107097 to #107096 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'm not sure why you would come back, perhaps you love me or something?

I just know that you're trying, and if you try you should at least succeed once.
#107099 to #107097 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
What makes you think I'm trying? I'm barely responding to the things you say. It's just funny to read the shit you come up with. I've got to wonder, based on what you post, what gets edited out? From the shit you decide to say I can't imagine what you pass on saying.
#107100 to #107099 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I will agree that you're barely responding but it's not for lack of trying, you're just not that bright.

I imagine it's difficult for you to understand, but I'm using my brain to come up with bantz. I suggest getting one, you might even be able to chew your own food without the nurses assistance.
#107101 to #107100 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Again, you think I care far more than I actually do. I call that projecting.
#107102 to #107101 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'll ask again, do you want a break so you come up with a few lines. Personally I can think this up on the spot, but I shouldn't expect someone at your level to be as quick as myself.

Think of it like giving bumpers to a child at a bowling alley.
#107103 to #107102 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It's really easy to come up with insults when you keep repeating the same thing over and over again. But honestly, you really think I'm interested enough in you to devote actual effort to rebutting you? I know you're delusional but come on.
#107104 to #107103 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Thats just sad, not only are you inept at critical think in general, but you also fail at reading comprehension. None of my comments are alike sweety, it's one of the benefits of being intelligent, you can think on your feet.

Now if I was going to repeat myself over and over again I'd just keep SAYING "ya well idc" over and over again when I couldn't come up with a response.
#107105 to #107104 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
You're comments have generally followed the form "I'm smart and you're dumb" with minor differences in phrasing. You haven't deviated from that mode of insult once, so it should be pretty easy to tell why I haven't bothered.
#107106 to #107105 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Well it is easy to tell why you've given up, though I think we'll disagree on the reasoning.
#107107 to #107106 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Given that you're a delusional child I don't expect you to have an ounce of self awareness.
#107108 to #107107 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Ahh, is that the final boo hoo before you run off?

Give me a kiss before you go, I'll make it all better.
#107109 to #107108 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I honestly don't care how you take it, that's just my honest opinion of your personality. You legitimately lack emotional maturity and if you're out of high school and act like this in the real world I'd be worried about you.
#107111 to #107110 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Legit though, get help if you're older than 16 and still act like this.
#107112 to #107111 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I understand you're hurt, its okay, but you're selling yourself short by saying you just got embarrassed by a 16 year old.
#107080 to #107078 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Why so salty?
#107081 to #107080 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Was that so important that you had to make two comments.

kek
#107082 to #107081 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Nah, just thought I'd ask. You seem pretty upset tbh.
#107083 to #107082 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Lets be honest here, you don't really believe that. Everyone says that when they get mad at someone and they don't know what to say.
#107084 to #107083 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
You're the one trying to make shit personal man.
#107085 to #107084 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Nah I'm just poking fun at you for trying to get support from other dummies.

Let me guess, you wanted him to say something along the lines of"Yeah that youregaylol guy is really annoying, you pwned him so bad up there lol XD"
#107086 to #107085 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Nah, it's more like how people who work with special needs kids talk after a long shift. Sometimes you need to hear from someone that isn't retarded.
#107087 to #107086 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Heh, I appreciate the fact that you're trying to create bonds with everyone else I smacked down. It's an interesting tactic, though 50 of you isn't equal to one of me.

Maybe start a facebook page, "Union of manlets who youregaylol made cry"

You could be chapter president.
#107088 to #107087 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It's fascinating how highly you pretend to think of yourself. I wonder if your ego is over or undergrown.
#107089 to #107088 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I'm nothing special really, just better than you, which admittedly isn't saying much.
#107090 to #107089 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Is this a major flaw in socialization, do you assume that because this is the internet this is how you're supposed to talk to people or are you an example of a new personality type? I find your behavior fascinating. I can't tell if you expect me to be insulted or to find you hilarity.
#107091 to #107090 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
While I appreciate the attempt at psychoanalysis, I'll pass. If I wanted mindless sheep to observe me I'd walk through a petting zoo.

If you do find me "hilarity" could you submit a form attesting that in writing, I could always use some extra curricular charity work and entertaining the mentally challenged looks great on an application.
#107092 to #107091 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Again with the weak insults. It's like you have a pre-made list of responses.
#107093 to #107092 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Better a weak insult than no insult at all.

In my defense though, how could I ever really insult you with words when your whole existence is one giant insult to nature.
#107094 to #107093 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I honestly can't tell if I'm supposed to take you seriously, you're like a parody of yourself.
#107095 to #107094 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Would you like me to give you a few minutes to think of a comeback.
#107079 to #107078 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
K
#107015 to #107013 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Nah, it's a known fact that journalists swing to the left, deception fits you people perfectly, hence the spin job you're doing right now.

GG try again bby.
#107005 - canyou ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
"America shouldn't have a wall, it's unchristian." said the pope as he returned to the fully walled Vatican City.
#107008 to #107005 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
He lives in a flat outside the wall.
#107009 to #107008 - canyou ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Dammit. I thought I was smart.
#107010 to #107009 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
The Pope Is Still A Nigger To Me.
#106991 - anon
Reply 0
(02/19/2016) [-]
Remember that time when Hillary said she was staying in the 2008 primaries into July despite her loss being inevitable because "something could happen" and referenced the assassination of Robert Kennedy? Then said this like three other times.
#106982 - youregaylol
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(02/18/2016) [-]
​DONALD J. TRUMP RESPONSE TO THE POPE

If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS’s ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened. ISIS would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians.

The Mexican government and its leadership has made many disparaging remarks about me to the Pope, because they want to continue to rip off the United States, both on trade and at the border, and they understand I am totally wise to them. The Pope only heard one side of the story - he didn’t see the crime, the drug trafficking and the negative economic impact the current policies have on the United States. He doesn’t see how Mexican leadership is outsmarting President Obama and our leadership in every aspect of negotiation.

For a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian and as President I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened, unlike what is happening now, with our current President. No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith. They are using the Pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant.

www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-response-to-the-pope

cuck pope put on blast
#107064 to #106982 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
ISIS actually doesn't care about the Vatican and actually wants to destroy Mecca. They want to draw the west into a major conflict as they think it'll bring about the end of days.
#107004 to #106982 - canyou ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Doesn't Trump attack people on their faith all the time?
#107006 to #107004 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Trump isn't the pope, when he questions if someones behavior is christian it doesn't really do anything beyond possibly making people think differently about that person. He has no real authority. However when the pope blatantly says someone is not a christian for wanting walls thats irresponsible.

I think Trump phrased his press release wrong, he should've just said "religious leaders" and not leaders in general, though technically Trump doesn't have an official position of authority yet so maybe he meant official leaders like presidents, idk.
#107007 to #107006 - canyou ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I think Trump phrases most of what he says wrong, but what he says sticks.
#106983 to #106982 - kanadetenshi
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I mean my personal opinions on the Pope and Trump aside i think it's pretty immature and insulting for a religious figure on his scale to tell people who are christian or not.

The reasoning was also retarded. "Yeh he supports walls so he's not a christian", yeah try telling that to any theological scholar and if he weren't the Pope he'd get laughed at by everyone.
#106996 to #106983 - youregaylol
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(02/19/2016) [-]
The fact that the last pope retired (which hasn't happened since 1415) and we ended up with commie jew pope makes me a little worried.

Glad I'm not a catholic so I don't have to obey the marshmallow man.
#106974 - jamesten
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(02/18/2016) [-]
so trump wants to get rid of common core
as a 15 year old sophmore with poor grades, i can honestly say, go trump
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well if it involves my school, then yes
and my flag en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand That's a lot of history for such a small, unrecognized micronation that started half a century ago
#106973 - pebar
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(02/18/2016) [-]
Has Bernie bern down the economy Sanders ever had a job outside of politics?
#106958 - balor
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(02/18/2016) [-]
If the leader of any given European country told the EU, "Fuck yourselves, and suck my cock."
What do you guys think the EU will do?
#106971 to #106958 - pebar
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(02/18/2016) [-]
they'd do it
#106963 to #106958 - thumbfortrump
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(02/18/2016) [-]
The British are saying that right now through Cameron.

And EU is even cradling the balls.
#106964 to #106963 - balor
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(02/18/2016) [-]
But what if they literally said, "Fuck yourselves, and suck my cock."
#106966 to #106964 - thumbfortrump
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(02/18/2016) [-]
They would raise stronk goncerns.
#106957 - theism ONLINE
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(02/18/2016) [-]
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

What's interesting is that this is actually an if then statement (this isn't going to be some idiotic argument about commas). The premise being "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state" and the conclusion being "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". The thing about this is that this doesn't mean you need to be in a militia to justify owning a gun, your right is protected by the necessity of militias.
#106975 to #106957 - marinepenguin
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(02/18/2016) [-]
A militia is necessary to secure a FREE state, not just any state. And these militias are simply assembled citizens armed with their own weaponry. So I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to point out here .
#106981 to #106975 - theism ONLINE
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(02/18/2016) [-]
People like to point out the two clauses function separately "because commas" but the truth is they don't. However people assume this means you have to be in a militia to own guns but that's also not true.
#106984 to #106981 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Gotcha. Yes, I agree. But I also don't think that this states that their needs to be a actual "well-regulated militia", but that the first statement is simply acknowledging that a well-regulated militia is what is necessary to keep a state free. The national guard is sort of a form of this you could argue, but the ultimate allegiance of the National Guard lies with the President, then the Governor, then our communities. So it isn't a true citizen-led militia.
#106986 to #106984 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
In my opinion the second amendment was a result of the political climate where the threat of British invasion necessitated a rapid response by the citizenry and it was cheaper than a standing army. There's also the tradition in British common law where armed citizenry ensured the absence of tyranny of the nobility. Of course the justification for the right to bear arms extends beyond this one piece of legislation. The national guard doesn't really qualify as a militia in my opinion.
#106988 to #106986 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
And I only mentioned the National Guard because some sources reference it as a "modern day militia"
#106990 to #106988 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Yeah I don't get why people claim that.
#106987 to #106986 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Well sure, I can agree with that first part.

And it's too bad that the British essentially lost their "privilege" of an armed citizenry. Now they can barely carry a bat in their car without being fined or arrested.
#106989 to #106987 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
The political climate that necessitated it changed although I don't really get why they felt the need to completely remove civilian weaponry. Also the surveillance state they have is bizarre.
#106992 to #106989 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Well with the way things are going on the West, I think many citizens will regret not owning some kind of weaponry.

If they ever banned guns in the US for whatever reason as difficult and improbable as that would be , I'd stockpile them beforehand and bury them in my yard or something.
#106993 to #106992 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Eh I don't necessarily agree.
#106994 to #106993 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
With the English part or me recklessly stockpiling firearms in my backyard?

The England thing is kinda far fetched, but I've been predicting a rise in right wing nationalist parties in Europe for a while now, which is happening. So what that leads to who knows.
#106995 to #106994 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
The bit about citizens not owning some kind of weaponry. I don't think most of the west has anything to worry about.

I'm surprised we haven't seen more right wing violence recently.
#106997 to #106995 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Meh, someone may not "need" to own a weapon, but even if we lived in a world without crime and tyranny, I'd still advocate for them being legal.

And that's because the right wing isn't inherently violent. The extremes of any ideology are the violent ones.
#106998 to #106997 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Obviously, I just don't see people being concerned over not owning them any time soon.

What I mean is that there's a major rise in right wing extremism in Europe, I'm surprised more of them haven't gone militant.
#106999 to #106998 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
I wouldn't say the majority of it is extreme right wing. Nationalism and patriotism has definitely risen, but Europe is still extremely left. So a moderate republican here would seem extreme there. Right now the biggest voices from the public are saying to stop immigration from Muslim nations, and maybe to deport some when the conflicts are resolved. When they start claiming death to all Muslims I'll be worried.
#107000 to #106999 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
There's a few groups that are actively attacking immigrants.
#107001 to #107000 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Yeah I'm aware. Mostly in response to the sexual attacks. And the more their governments suppress or defend it, the worse it'll get. If things don't change real quick with their governments, like within a year or so, it'll keep getting worse. I'm imagining it like a tightening spring, the longer it's pushed, the worse the pushback will be.
#107002 to #107001 - theism ONLINE
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(02/19/2016) [-]
Honestly the governments acceptance of the sexual assault seems fairly exaggerated honestly.
#107003 to #107002 - marinepenguin
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(02/19/2016) [-]
It's a little overplayed, but to say that they're taking any sort of appropriate action would be a long shot. And they've had some of the worst responses, "don't provoke them" certainly isn't good.
#106980 to #106975 - marinepenguin
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(02/18/2016) [-]
I guess that militias secure the right to own guns in the first place? Which I would agree with .
#106950 - monapizza
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(02/18/2016) [-]
I saw on the news that the pope said Trump isn't a real Christian?
#106978 to #106950 - anon
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(02/18/2016) [-]
Right Wingers Hate The New Pope. They Work For the Devil!
#106972 to #106950 - pebar
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(02/18/2016) [-]
the pope isn't a real christian either
#106965 to #106950 - thumbfortrump
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(02/18/2016) [-]
The Pope has proven to be an absolute moron.
But yes, he did question Trump's Christianity. He said "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not of building bridges, is not Christian. This is not the gospel."
I suspect it's because he's a mexi in disguise and he's too old to climb walls.
#106967 to #106965 - monapizza
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(02/18/2016) [-]
This pope has proven repeatedly that he doesn't share conservative values. Still though, I wonder if this will hurt Trump too badly. People were already questioning his faith.
#106968 to #106967 - thumbfortrump
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(02/18/2016) [-]
Most Americans are Protestant but Catholics still account for like 20% American Christians or something, so it will probably have some impact.
But still, the Pope has also managed to polarize the Catholic Church a bit so I'm not to worried about the effects.

I'm sure however that liberals will spin this a lot. And when they do I'll remember to point out their hypocrisy of supporting a man who is against abortion and homosexuality.
#106941 - pebar
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(02/18/2016) [-]
What do y'all think about what Apple is doing with the FBI?
#106969 to #106941 - theism ONLINE
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#106959 to #106941 - theism ONLINE
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(02/18/2016) [-]
It's a good question, I'm not sure but my gut says privacy is privacy.
#106944 to #106941 - thereasonableperso
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(02/18/2016) [-]
I haven't heard. What are they doing? Datamining?
#106947 to #106944 - pebar
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(02/18/2016) [-]
here's a pretty damning public letter about the issue by CEO Tim Cook
www.apple.com/customer-letter/
#106970 to #106947 - thereasonableperso
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(02/18/2016) [-]
I think Apple is in the right, here. Never thought I'd say that.
#106945 to #106944 - pebar
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(02/18/2016) [-]
The FBI is has a warrant to search the phone of a suspect
since the phone is encrypted, they can't access the information they need
they want Apple to break the encryption
Apple is refusing
#106938 - pebar
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#106985 to #106938 - anon
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(02/19/2016) [-]
>and one of President Bill Clinton's

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#106937 - thumbfortrump
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(02/18/2016) [-]
Margaret Thatcher  Theyd rather have the poor poorer Some people seem to claim women are not capable of holding positions of power.
Personally I'd rather have Thatcher than Cameron. Because even though Cameron is a man, Tatcher had bigger balls.
#106940 to #106937 - anon
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(02/18/2016) [-]
Everyone currently in the EU except for rightwing leaders like Nigel have no balls.
#106943 to #106940 - thumbfortrump
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(02/18/2016) [-]
That's because the current EU is a social institution controlled by liberal, pragmatic bureaucrats.
#106948 to #106943 - valeriya
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(02/18/2016) [-]
The EU is a political union economic tree trade area thingy... Not a social institution... Liberal... And Pragmatic. That's not a thing... As in liberal and pragmatic do not go together, liberals are generally very ideological and inflexible. Pragmatic people will pick up a solution to a problem regardless of where it comes from if it produces the desired effect. Best example of this would be the conservative party from ww2 to edward heath
#106961 to #106948 - thumbfortrump
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(02/18/2016) [-]
It has gone from being a purely economic free trade zone to also being a increasingly social institution, most legal scholars agree on this. The Treaty of Lisbon is the most notable example of this development.
Liberal and pragmatic go great together. In actual high level politics liberals, especially in European politics, are some of the most pragmatic people there are. They'll bend as soon as something goes against them. This is especially prevalent in the EU.
I'll give you an example.
You have probably heard that Great Britain wants to restrict other European citizens from getting British social benefits.
Now, article 56 of the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Union explicitly prohibits these sorts of restriction, and Court of Justice of the European Union has ruled on this several times. It's one of the four pillars of the free trade zone.
But now as Cameron is having a vote on EU membership, suddenly EU is prepared to let him do this, even though this sort of restriction is prohibited for the rest of the EU member states.