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#94885 - pebar (09/30/2015) [-]
does getting a loan based on your credit score count as price discrimination?
User avatar #94970 to #94885 - Zaxplab (10/02/2015) [-]
does getting a job based on your criminal record count as discrimination?
#94904 to #94885 - anon (09/30/2015) [-]
Check your good credit score economically advantaged privilege, shitlord.
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User avatar #94878 to #94868 - feelythefeel (09/30/2015) [-]
Can someone from the NSP take my place in the debate?
User avatar #94879 to #94878 - youregaylol (09/30/2015) [-]
In the meantime I'll try to find you opponents, I'm sure there are some people here against draft like military proposals.
User avatar #94880 to #94879 - feelythefeel (09/30/2015) [-]
It's not military, it's public works. America had a labour corps too.
User avatar #94881 to #94880 - youregaylol (09/30/2015) [-]
Theres probably some libertarian/demsoc/commie/liberal faggotini out there who would call that slavery., Should be easy to find one, maybe even two or three.
User avatar #94882 to #94881 - feelythefeel (09/30/2015) [-]
>I don't have a job
>keep your jobs away from me, government
>that's slavery!
#94832 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
/politics/94806#94806 Everyone vote.

"Representative akkere of the Centrist Party, pushing for a legislation that calls for a national recognition of the marriage of same sex couples, as well as an anti discrimination law focusing on requiring businesses to serve gay couples. "
#94865 to #94832 - anon (09/30/2015) [-]
#94852 to #94832 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]

In a vote of 8 nays, 2 yays, and 1 vote abstaining Representative akkere of the Centrist Parties legislation calling for the national recognition of same sex marriage and the ban on discriminatory business practices based on sexual orientation, HAS FAILED.

Representative pebar of the Libertarian Party has successfully convinced Parliament, though I'm not sure how much convincing they needed. akkeres refined vernacular and presenting style was perfectly countered by the straight talking capitalist, let us all say laissez fairwell to gay marriage.

As HoP I will now describe the effects of our actions this session.

Traditionalists celebrate in the street as Poletacs large religious majority is ecstatic at the result of the debate, with religious rights groups calling it a "a breathtaking victory for religious freedom". Coincidentally, the publics opinion of Parliament goes up a surprising 6 points, giving the body the support it's been so desperatly needing in the early days of this post war republic. Since the founding of our great nation opinion polls of the legislature have been slinking below 24%, but today marks the highest approval rating on record with 30% of Poletacens stating they have a favorable view of the government.

Those on the left and gay rights groups, as well as Jewish leaders were less ecstatic however, calling it a "mockery of human rights and democracy", as well as appealing to the UN's LGBT led human rights council for guidance as well as a request to put economic sanctions on the country until their demands are met. The UN council has denounced the vote as a rigged election with the far right NSP members stifling opposition. They also noted that Representative akkere, who created the legislation, backed down before the vote and took back his yay position, abstaining with the rest of the Centrist Party. They have implied bribery or intimidation was involved.

Glory to Poletac.
User avatar #94862 to #94852 - akkere (09/30/2015) [-]
So exactly will issues be brought to the floor? Parties take turn bringing in legislative ideas when a thread opens up? Parties offer to take proposals and revisements from parties that don't agree with the bill enough to vote for it but could see it working with adjustments? Mostly thread events to ensure all or most parties have a shot at cultivating their own bills even if it isn't strictly on the "parliament floor" (the NatSoc have a meeting with the NatCons at their respective profiles, or the Lib, Commie, and DemSoc do the same for their profiles).
I don't remember if this was expounded on in the debut thread so forgive me if it was.
Also, that pic is the version I botched and gave my party two seats stolen from the Commie party. I fixed it here >>#94772
User avatar #94864 to #94862 - youregaylol (09/30/2015) [-]
Its explained in the FAQ


These rules are for the final version though, im still testing things.

If anyone wants to participate in test debates like the akkere vs pebar debate pm poletacnews and we'll see if we can set something up.
User avatar #94866 to #94864 - akkere (09/30/2015) [-]
Only thing that's not really clear is the frequency of Polatec threads, but I think I get the gist of most of it.
If I could have a shot at doing a legit thread, I'd like to present my experimental take on the gay marriage/ civil union issue (details in spoiler, if it's necessary ) -
Establish a bill that sets the foreground for legally binding monogamy relationships that may be formed with the ceremony of choice of the couple - given that both members of the couples are consenting adults, of course. This would establish all sex marriages while shaking away the notion that such a course would force religious institutions to enact ceremonies contradictory to their beliefs, as well as that this would lead to a slippery slope of legalizing polygamist marriage - an act that would require a great deal of rethinking the tax codes and legal privileges on top of anything else to begin with anyway.

Taking a shot at a legit attempt without having to burden myself with portions of the issue that I don't entirely agree with. Plus, I'm interested in seeing people comment on the notion from those who've held the views the idea is supposed to secure.
User avatar #94863 to #94862 - akkere (09/30/2015) [-]
So how exactly*
User avatar #94859 to #94852 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
WOW, that was good. I gotta say.
User avatar #94855 to #94852 - thekame (09/29/2015) [-]
>as well as Jewish leaders were less ecstatic
User avatar #94860 to #94855 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
its a meme u dip
User avatar #94854 to #94852 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]
I'm curious how many voted nay because of the anti discrimination bit and not gay marriage
User avatar #94857 to #94854 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
It's just a guess but I would imagine that most of those opposed to gay marriage are also opposed to anti discrimination laws in regards to business.
User avatar #94856 to #94854 - thekame (09/29/2015) [-]
I did, though my vote wasn't counted.
User avatar #94833 to #94832 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
Please note, this is only a simulation. The Centrist party does not advocate the entirety of the legislation and only participated for testing purposes.
User avatar #94835 to #94833 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
and there i thought u were a fagget
User avatar #94836 to #94835 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
I went ahead and decided to change the vote to an "abstain".
#94770 - poletacnews (09/29/2015) [-]

This is a trial session meant to find any weaknesses or strengths in the Parliament of Poletac system.

We will only have two representatives this time.

Representative akkere of the Centrist Party, pushing for a legislation that calls for a national recognition of the marriage of same sex couples, as well as an anti discrimination law focusing on requiring businesses to serve gay couples.

Opposite him, Representative buttthurtpirate of the National Conservative Party, arguing against this legislation.

I, poletacnews, will act as HoP and moderator throughout this debate.

The rules are simple /user/poletacnews/2#2 , you will each make ONE comment at a time until I declare the debate over or one of you resigns. At the end of this debate the other representatives of politics will take a vote to decide if the legislation passes or fails.

No internet links or sources will be permitted. Anything can be said, lying is permitted, but you may be called out on it.

We will start with akkere, please make your opening statement.

Glory to Poletac.
User avatar #94799 to #94770 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]

This was overall a very successful test. I figured out three different problems that we can fix in the future.

-we need to hold these debates on a profile so that we can easily delete messages and control the flow of dialogue in case someone tries to interrupt
-we need time limits for responses as overly long responses can stifle debate, also the time limit adds an element of pressure that forces people to only present their best material.
-i should start debates with my oldfag account as my newfag accounts cant effect mentions, fuck. Also all HoP's need to be FJ old fags for the very same reason.

all in all brutty gud guys, thanks pebar and akkere for agreeing to this on short notice.
User avatar #94815 to #94799 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
Are you sure we shouldn't just casually argue it on the board and then vote after?

Its not like people are going to read the profile-debates anyways. Nor will people actually ever have their minds changed if we just do typical emotional appealing, buzzword-ed debates without facts.
User avatar #94822 to #94815 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]
casual arguing just leads to shitposting about jews or immigrants or whatever
User avatar #94803 to #94799 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
I got a kick out of it and then pebar started driving the insults ;~;
It was certainly an interesting way to think and coordinate an issue just from working on one side of it even if it wasn't exactly a side I'd entirely support
10/10 would master debate again
User avatar #94807 to #94803 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]
I thought the hypocrite line was pretty good
but yea, I had fun
User avatar #94778 to #94770 - poletacnews (09/29/2015) [-]
Representative akkere, you're nearing 30 minutes. In the interests of a speedy efficient debate I advise you to submit your opening statement now.
User avatar #94779 to #94778 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
Huh, strange, the notification bar didn't go off on the mention. Might be because it's a new account
For too long this country has refused to recognize a group of people's rights to happiness. The right for two consenting adults to come together in matrimony has been hampered by the views of narrow-minded individuals, who would only hold back this country in the name of "tradition". I stand here today to combat the notion that two adults who care for each other cannot marry, simply because they are of the same gender. I stand to argue that these individuals should not be denied the opportunity to save a child from the unforgiving foster system through adoption, and that these individuals should have the same privileges of marriage as if they were heterosexual couples. I stand to push today for the homosexual marriage and discrimination protection act, in order to set another corner stone of progress for this great nation. By forwarding this piece of legislation, we can tear down yet another wall of prejudice and move as one against other issues that plague this country, instead of seeking to divide the people based on traditional beliefs.
User avatar #94781 to #94779 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
Representative buttthurtpirate is not responding to calls from the HoP, we can only assume he was resigned under duress.

Representative pebar of the Libertarian Party, will you take the floor?
User avatar #94783 to #94781 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]
>>#94778, >>#94779,

I take issue with the stance that government should be involved in marriage at all, be it gay or straight. Marriage is nothing more than a private contract between two individuals. Society is not a part of the contract and so society should have no input. If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex. That is your choice. But you do not have the right to tell others who they can contract with.
Incidentally, the same argument applies to polygamy but that discussion is for another time.
Government being involved in the private lives of others is a dangerous road to go down.
But if we assume that government is involved for the sake of protecting the family unit (whether they should or not) then government should allow the maximum freedom to individuals and should allow same sex marriage.

I take issue with the stance that government ought force companies to serve people against their will. Private property is privately owned, by definition. It does not belong to the state. Therefore the property is not the state's to control. This is doubly so for labor. Forcing someone to work against their will through threat of imprisonment (not for punishment) is the definition of slavery. We can assume that slavery is prima facie bad.
Furthermore, freedom of association is necessary for society to peacefully coexist. People must be allowed to peacefully refuse to interact or it will create a great deal of tension that threaten social cohesion and will ultimately threaten our democracy.
Lastly, proponents may claim that the benefit to society justifies violating peoples rights. But economics tells us that business tend not to piss on their customers for financial reasons so any discrimination will be minimal at worst. There would be little affect on a well-functioning society.
User avatar #94786 to #94783 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
And I was prepared to win this mock-debate by default.
My opponent masks his stance as one for the people by referencing my own as one of slavery, as if the anti-discrimination bill is one that forces businesses to hand over their goods. Such notion is a farce, for our legislative package isn't one to enslave the people, but to free them. This legislation is not one that forces businesses to give their goods to homosexuals, but rather has them give the same opportunity of transaction that they would to any other of their ideal customers. By having all businesses be faced with the same expectation, this guarantees that those businesses housed in communities where those of narrow mind are present can safely opt to service homosexual consumers, without worry of being ostracized by the traditionalists. It is self-evident by logic alone that this legislation will guarantee business, not restrict it.

This is not a regulation of price, but a guarantee of opportunity. The only imposement of will that the government places on the businesses, is that they act as proper human beings that reflect the gold standard of personality that this very country emulates, and not refuse their common neighbor simply because they bed with an adult of the same gender. Moreover, this will guarantee that the next generation can see the proper way to view their neighbor by looking into the code of laws, instead of being seduced by the hypnosis ever present with narrow minded views.

I wonder if an intermediary chat system wouldn't be more effective to give the opponent fair chance to read line by line, and then subsequently have the lines pasted onto a post in a thread here on the board
User avatar #94789 to #94786 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]
To free them? You are not free to force others to serve you against their will.
How other customers are treated is irrelevant. Businesses can refuse customers for all sorts of reasons. Some people are disruptive to business, some people are thieves. We may agree that homosexuality is harmless, but their are many people who take a great moral opposition to it. When these people can have their businesses shut down for simply wanting to be left alone, that is a problem.
Also there is no ostracism. If some baker doesn't want to make your gay wedding cake, then go to another baker. Statistically, there will be plenty others who will be happy to have the business. There is no harm to gays here.
The management of business is not the governments concern. There are plenty management techniques that work well but government doesn't force those on companies. Serving gays is no different.

"Proper human beings"? Ask these people who are willing to give up a sizable chunk of their profits what they think of gays. Not everybody has the same sense of morals. By using government to legislate your ideal moral society, you are no different from the traditionalists who would ban gay marriage

you hypocrite
User avatar #94790 to #94789 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
Oh ho, we have our first taste of name calling, wonderful.

Again, Representatives are asked to reply directly to the HoP, not just a mention, after each comment. It makes things so much neater and clean looking.

Representative akkere, do you have a response.
User avatar #94791 to #94790 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
Do we mention the opposing comment or do we wait for the moderator to mention them so they can count the time?
I do moderator, in fact, I find it telling that the opposing side descends into insult territory. "Not everybody has the same sense of morals", indeed.

Truly, the very reason we hold a code of laws is because "not everybody has the same sense of morals". We recognize that there are people who would seek to deny their fellow man rights and opportunities for their own greater benefit rather than see the ultimate mutual benefit of working with them. So we make a code of laws to ensure that criminals cannot exploit the hard-working, good-natured citizen. In terms of business, these laws can have a great deal of magnitude on efficiency. Health codes might be seen by some efficiency analysts as wasteful, but I think anyone of sound mind can see that they're necessary to ensure the well-being of the worker, the consumer, and the infrastructure of the business as a whole. The same applies for regulating opportunity of transaction - to ensure the infrastructure of the business is at it's best possible point for the chance of all citizens. This is not a regulation demanding the businesses lower prices or give freebies to homosexuals, simply that when they hold a hand out to offer a good, they are willing to take money from anyone so long as they feel safe to do so - and a simple reflection of orientation for adults should not give feelings of danger to anyone.

tfw pebar calls you a hypocrite for a side of an issue you don't support ;~;
User avatar #94792 to #94791 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
Things are getting heated.

Representative pebar, respond.

also yes the moderator will mention the opposing person for timing reasons
User avatar #94793 to #94792 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]
Pointing out hypocrisy is hardly an insult but whatever.

-We have laws because it maintains order and allows people to cooperate without having people worry about their safety. Saying people can't discriminate is on a completely different level than laws against murder. In a world of many different belief systems, laws should be designed to accommodate the most. Otherwise you it will lead to a resentment of the law which will degrade society. Laws that allow freedom will accommodate the widest variety of people.
-Health codes may be justifiable due to the variability of uncertainty. People may not know how unhealthy certain things are so there is a lack of information. This is not the case with discrimination so it is also a different type of law. It may even be a good discussion for another time.
-It may not be a freebie from your point of view, but for the business owner, it is a significant moral cost. Prices are just an aggregation of market forces, they do not reflect individual behavior.

So I maintain that for the business, the benefit of the transaction does not cover the cost. Thus by forcing the contract, you create an inefficiency. This is especially true when gays can get their services elsewhere.

Lastly, since I think the discussion is about to get a bit circular, I'd like to point out that setting the precedent of allowing government to violate peoples property rights as well as their right to associate (or not to), leads down the dangerous road to tyranny.
User avatar #94794 to #94793 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
Yes, I will agree with Representative pebar, this debate is nearing it's end.

Each Representative will begin his closing arguments.

Representative akkere, as you were the first to comment I feel it is only fair to give Representative pebar the last word. Speak the final argument for your bill, and then the Libertarian Representative will respond.

The 15 minute time limit is now extended to 20 minutes in consideration of the closing arguments.
User avatar #94795 to #94794 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
Curses. There is no greater advantage in a debate than a last word.

The horse that is the argumentative notion of "tyranny". How my opponent has beaten you so.
My opponent presumes that the market will guarantee that services will always be available for homosexuals regardless of strife. But what if there simply isn't? And more to the point, what if there isn't when it matters most? Such as in medicine? If a homosexual is afflicted with a sickness that they can only reach one medical facility to in time only to be rejected service when their same-sex partner is the only one available to present insurance information necessary to pay for recovery, should they just be left to die? Even if there were a medical facility nearby that would permit them, what if they simply weren't well equipped to handle the necessary procedure? What if even when they survive the illness, they required a drug to maintain their health, a particular drug that was patented by someone who simply refused to offer to homosexuals, and would rather see them die away?
Is ensuring human beings who've done nothing wrong don't perish "tyranny"?

This legislation is no path down a slippery slope. Assuming so is to believe that this very parliament would allow tyrannies to expand, and to assume that our very own people are mentally incapable of checking their own government to ensure its reach is overextended.
This legislation is merely an attempt at opening the doors of opportunity and make sure that no citizen of this great nation is denied goods and services purely because of their orientation. This is especially the case if the good in need is a medicinal good, or practitional care. The word "tyranny" that my opponent uses implies that somehow, this legislation would lead to the government sending jackbooted thugs into businesses, taking away their goods and services for low prices or even free, and leave the business a disheveled mess. That is the proper scenario for tyranny, and I assure you nowhere in this bill will there be an allowance for such a terrible thing to happen to the businesses that support this country.

The point of this legislation is very clear. To establish a fair ground of opportunity for the homosexual community of our nation; both in matrimony, and in business. There is no demands that businesses keep their prices low for homosexuals, only that when they advertise a product, they intend to sell to all who match their price. If they wish to raise the price, then we wish the price is applicable to all who buy the good or service at the time, and not be used on a discriminatory basis.
There is no tyranny; only opportunity.
User avatar #94796 to #94795 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
Indeed, but someone must have it.

Representative pebar, your closing argument?

The 20 minute time limit applies to you as well, of course.
User avatar #94797 to #94796 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]
There is little controversy here about whether gays should be allowed to marry so I would expect everyone will vote accordingly.

-However, there is a disagreement on whether private businesses should be allowed to discriminate against gays. Or to bit it differently, whether businesses reserve the right to not serve customers for whatever reason the wish.
-There are two separate arguments against this legislation. The first is property rights, which I have mostly argued here this evening. This says that the company is owned by the owner, not by society. This means that it is the owner who decides how the business ought to operate. If society has a claim on other people's property, that is a dangerous road to socialism and the destruction of society.
-The second is freedom of association. In the same way that free speech allows us to voice opinions that other people may find offensive, freedom of association likewise should allow us to associate, or not associate, in ways others find offensive. These freedoms are necessary for society to functions, especially in a democracy.

My opponent claims that business suffer no harm by treating gays just like any other customer. While this may be true in terms of money, it is not true in terms of costs that people consider when making decisions. We may sometimes forget that businesses are made up of people, each with their own sense of values. On an individual basis, these people DO suffer a great cost when they are forced to violate their morals.
Voluntary trade is exante mutually beneficial. If it were not, then the trade would not take place. Trade therefore leads to efficiency. Forced trade however is no guarantee that both parties benefit.

To reference my opponent's closing arguments specifically, while there is less consumer choice in a monopoly market, that still does not change the fact that private property is a right, and by forcing involuntary business, you are violating that right. Furthermore, gays are not the only customers. There are plenty of other people who would be more than willing to boycott companies they don't like. Business owners know this so they do face a very strong incentive to not discriminate. Monopolies are most often big companies that face high barriers to entry. For a company like this to function, it must be managed properly so you can be assured they will not discriminate.

spousal insurance is just an unfortunate way marriage and tax law is currently set up, that is not discrimination

>Considering a sizable chunk of this parliament is composed of natsocs, I wouldn't disregard the possibility of tyranny.
>The economy runs on trade: private people voluntarily exchanging things. It is not run on the government force people to provide things.

My opponent references fairness...
but I ask you to consider: is some vague notion of equality more important than the individual rights that are the foundation of a well-functioning society?
#94798 to #94797 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
Some biting closing arguments coming from both sides.

But I'm afraid that is the end of this session of debate. The floor is now closed.

I would like to thank Representative pebar of the Libertarian Party and Representative akkere of the Centrist Party for their time.


From now until 5pm Central Time all current members of the Parliament of Poletac will vote on whether to pass Representative akkeres legislation, or reject it in accordance with the arguments of Representative pebar.

Thank you, and Glory to Poletac!
User avatar #94806 to #94798 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
In case you guys are to dumb to understand this to vote you'll type "I vote to pass the legislation" or "I vote to not pass the legislation" in a reply to this comment.

Yay or Nay will also work

Nay=dont pass
User avatar #94869 to #94867 - youregaylol (09/30/2015) [-]
Voting has been over for awhile, look at the top of the page.
User avatar #94876 to #94869 - feelythefeel (09/30/2015) [-]
I might be able to be around for two hours early in the day, but the only guarantee I can make is 1 hour from 8-9 PST. Can you get another member of the NSP that'll be around more to replace me in the debate?
User avatar #94877 to #94876 - youregaylol (09/30/2015) [-]
If you can arrange it with another member thats fine, but no member is required to argue any initiative you put forward. It's your legislation.

Also if you start a session and you then leave, going over the 15 minute time limit, you will forfeit your legislation.

I'm trying to make this as organized and fair as possible.
User avatar #94874 to #94869 - feelythefeel (09/30/2015) [-]
Have you saved it? And is it okay if I'm not online all day?
User avatar #94875 to #94874 - youregaylol (09/30/2015) [-]
No, since its your proposal you remember it. Before the debate starts you can send me a quick one to two sentence summary of what it is and I'll describe it before I introduce you, then I'll let present your opening statement which I suggest you prepare for before hand as its pretty important and there will be 15 minute time limits.

Just give me a general time frame when you're available , debates usually will last 2 hours im thinking with the 15 minute time limit, no breaks either. It will basically be just like this debate here.

I'm going to be busy tomorrow as well so keep that in mind. Also try to make your proposal interesting and/or controversial as this is a testing phase and its easier to get people to argue with you if its something intriguing.
User avatar #94871 to #94869 - feelythefeel (09/30/2015) [-]
Also you didn't mention me.
User avatar #94873 to #94871 - youregaylol (09/30/2015) [-]
I didn't mention anyone besides the people actually involved in the debate.
User avatar #94870 to #94869 - feelythefeel (09/30/2015) [-]
kk sorry. I made a new bill, is it okay?
User avatar #94872 to #94870 - youregaylol (09/30/2015) [-]
Just noticed it. Do me a favor and just delete it for now, I'll set up a debate with someone for you soon and you can discuss it.

The final game isn't ready to be released just yet.
User avatar #94851 to #94806 - thekame (09/29/2015) [-]
User avatar #94853 to #94851 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
sorry bruh, your vote was late and wasn't counted, not that it mattered much.
User avatar #94839 to #94806 - schnizel ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
User avatar #94837 to #94806 - redandgreen ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
#94842 to #94837 - anon (09/29/2015) [-]
wow, really?
User avatar #94843 to #94842 - redandgreen ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
User avatar #94834 to #94806 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
We of the Centrist party have communicated and have decided to change our vote.
We abstain.
We have no strong feelings one way or the other.
User avatar #94828 to #94806 - ablueguy (09/29/2015) [-]
User avatar #94829 to #94828 - ablueguy (09/29/2015) [-]
Wait, am I still in the parliament?
User avatar #94830 to #94829 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
User avatar #94820 to #94806 - dehumanizer (09/29/2015) [-]
Nay i'm probably too late thoough.
User avatar #94821 to #94820 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
5pm central time is like 6 hours from now bud.
User avatar #94826 to #94821 - dehumanizer (09/29/2015) [-]
when was the vote opened tho
User avatar #94827 to #94826 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
around midnight, 12 hours ago
User avatar #94823 to #94821 - dehumanizer (09/29/2015) [-]
central mongolian time or what?
User avatar #94825 to #94823 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
UTC 0600, North American Central time bruh

User avatar #94816 to #94806 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
probably should do this on a new thread.

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User avatar #94808 to #94806 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
I vote to pass the legislation This is just a test right? It won't actually go through? Will my central integrity be called on this? Oh jeez

Something something opportunity, something something.
User avatar #94805 to #94798 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]

since this legislation asks for too much, I cannot support everything. There will be plenty of other chances for gays to be allowed to marry, without such a broad bill.
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#94755 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
akkere - centrist

alimais - Nat Soc
youregaylol - Nat Soc
feelythefeel - Nat Soc
ablueguy - Nat Soc
joshlol - Nat Soc
schnizel - Nat Soc
dehuminzer - Nat Soc
shekelnator - Nat Soc

buttthurtpirate - Nat Con

klowserpok - Monarchist

redandgreen - Dem Soc
thekame - Dem Soc

valeryia - Commie
jewcommienazi - Commie
shiny - commie

zaxplab -libertarian
kanadetenshi - libertarian
pebar - libertarian

mixednuts - liberal

So I couldn't use the paint all option, I just went full autism and colored them all in quickly myself.
User avatar #94812 to #94755 - kanadetenshi (09/29/2015) [-]
But we haven't even voted yet.
User avatar #94824 to #94814 - kanadetenshi (09/29/2015) [-]
You colored the seats but we haven't even had an election yet to determine the seats.
User avatar #94831 to #94824 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
lol wut, I thought we were doing it this exact way...
User avatar #94838 to #94831 - kanadetenshi (09/29/2015) [-]
How the fuck is it democratic when seats aren't based on votes?
User avatar #94840 to #94838 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
I thought the whole point was to base it on users and their party of choice, which is inherently democratic.
User avatar #94841 to #94840 - kanadetenshi (09/29/2015) [-]
There are lurkers, anons and people who aren't interested in joining parties but can still vote.
User avatar #94858 to #94841 - youregaylol (09/29/2015) [-]
Having lurkers and anons vote wouldn't work from a game mechanic standpoint, also the probability of them staying with the game is extremely low, I dont even want to try tracking down every anon who votes and trying to figure out voter fraud.

Also this a Parliament simulator, not an election simulator, voting on who would actually be representatives isn't what this game is about. We're all representatives.
User avatar #94861 to #94858 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
psst psst, its impossible to argue with an anarcho capitalist. it hates everything about the state so no logic applies.
#94844 to #94841 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
....lol...yeah like im going to let newfags and anons vote. Good one
User avatar #94845 to #94844 - kanadetenshi (09/29/2015) [-]
Then i'm out of this political game, if we're not allowing free speech then i'm not interested.
User avatar #94846 to #94845 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
....r u retarded? you expected anons and newfags to vote?

did you not see the list? what the fuck did you honestly expect?
User avatar #94895 to #94846 - redandgreen ONLINE (09/30/2015) [-]
I agree about anons but why wouldn't new people be allowed to join a party?
User avatar #94899 to #94895 - buttthurtpirate (09/30/2015) [-]
because oldfags and people who have proven they can come on regularly can vote

there is no telling with newfags, nor any trust given. The only reason you're actually in is because I needed to fill 20, you're pretty newfag understand that being a new/oldfag is a spectrum, not a line as well.
User avatar #94847 to #94846 - kanadetenshi (09/29/2015) [-]
Not interested in arguing any further.
User avatar #94848 to #94847 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
ok, your out then. I'll replace you with someone else.
#94801 to #94755 - Zaxplab (09/29/2015) [-]
uh. That's a lot of red you got there.
#94766 to #94755 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
I made a cleaned up version if you'd like
Also, do we want to keep the header of /pol/ Parliament or rename it to /politics/?
Photoshop autism is the best autism
User avatar #94769 to #94766 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
filthy communists missing 2
User avatar #94771 to #94769 - akkere (09/29/2015) [-]
whoops, i'll patch it up
User avatar #94768 to #94766 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
>12 centrist
sav dat problem akkere, u little deceiver
User avatar #94767 to #94766 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
its good either way. dank u
User avatar #94763 to #94755 - joshlol (09/29/2015) [-]
looks good
#94759 to #94755 - poletacnews (09/29/2015) [-]
Jesus thats alot of red
User avatar #94764 to #94759 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
and black :^ )

I decided to give a little diversity. And since I don't really see myself as a socialist.
User avatar #94761 to #94759 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
cuz we aint cucks
User avatar #94684 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
So, worst comes to pass -> World War 3, a war of religion.

Where will you be, and what will you be doing?

Me, I'll probably either 1. join the military as a sniper to shoot muslim cunts or 2. If I'm able, run off to some far eastern country, aiming at Japan or S. Korea, but w/e works.

User avatar #94735 to #94684 - youregaylol (09/28/2015) [-]
Probably dead and/or a pile of nuclear ash.
User avatar #94743 to #94735 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
#94731 to #94684 - klowserpok (09/28/2015) [-]
Go north, take over a resort maybe?
User avatar #94744 to #94731 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
walking dead style?
User avatar #94746 to #94744 - klowserpok (09/29/2015) [-]
#94696 to #94684 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]
>ww3 starts
>half the world being nuked or in war
>drive 1000 km north to shithole NobodyLand with lots of forest and fresh water

safe as fuck tfw
User avatar #94745 to #94736 - klowserpok (09/29/2015) [-]
like I'm one to talk though, all of Montreal its seems will be voting lib or ndp
User avatar #94750 to #94745 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
As you can see, my neighborhood is literally surrounded by autists. That is how you know that I live in a good one.
User avatar #94757 to #94750 - klowserpok (09/29/2015) [-]
If I remember correctly... isn't Thornhill also a thoroughly Jewish neighbourhood, or was it another one?
User avatar #94758 to #94757 - buttthurtpirate (09/29/2015) [-]
Yes. I've mentioned that multiple times. Its an upper-middle class, Jewish russian neighborhood
User avatar #94760 to #94758 - klowserpok (09/29/2015) [-]
Ah, thats who you are, ok.
Now that I think of it, the only places that might really vote conservative in montreal are the predominantly Jewish areas (except the one with the Hasidic Jews, who like the NDP, usually)
User avatar #94702 to #94696 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
bruv, you're in NA, you're safe as fuck

the only people who would nuke that continent would not be against neither USA or Canada, since it's only Russia and China that would do that, and they'd probably align with USA on a quasi-friendly basis since it'd be muslim vs everything else pretty much

I mean sure you could do that for doubling down on safety, but imo you should be safe
User avatar #94707 to #94702 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]
Honestly the amount of nukes in total can cover every piece of land on the Earth. So if a real East vs West nuclear war happened. Everyone would die, even people who survived the nuclear warfare magically because of the atmospheric change from launching every single one.
User avatar #94717 to #94707 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
The only nukes I can see falling are in the middle east. I really can't see USA ever letting nukes reach them, doesn't the USA have an anti-missile frame that's like, the most advanced or some shit? And like I said, I see 0 reason why the big nuclear power countries would in any time soon fight each other

I meant WW3 in an official sense, in practise, I imagine it'd be a whole bunch of countries fighting around the middle east and some parts of europe
User avatar #94723 to #94717 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]
I agree, I don't buy into the nuclear war scare too. Only leftist hipsters and ignorant people do.
User avatar #94738 to #94723 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
ikr, and let's get real here, the only reason why these countries have nukes, is to have political power, they're not meant to be used
User avatar #94700 to #94696 - feelythefeel (09/28/2015) [-]
>just drive to northern BC interior
Breath that mountain air.
User avatar #94734 to #94700 - klowserpok (09/28/2015) [-]
Enjoy being a mountain man in the Chinese Peoples Republic of Canada
User avatar #94788 to #94734 - feelythefeel (09/29/2015) [-]
Mountain men resistance FTW
#94694 to #94684 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
i would save people from every religion who dont have the right to die without going out and behaving like a twat who have a bastard redneck father such as you.
User avatar #94698 to #94694 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
i literally can't understand what you just said
User avatar #94709 to #94698 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]
He's an arab from kuwait. The discussion ends there.
User avatar #94712 to #94709 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
no u filthy juden stay away!
User avatar #94720 to #94712 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
#94722 to #94720 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
DONT LISTEN TO HIM HE IS A SECULAR JEW!! in fact he is my best fuckboy who is below my authority in another board
User avatar #94728 to #94722 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
I think I might be part jew.

I like free shit.
My nose is big.
I love money.
I make a note to save money in every part of life - turning off all lights that are not needed, using low wattage bulbs, underclocking my PC.

I think I might be part Jew, or maybe I'm trans-jewish.
User avatar #94730 to #94728 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
i should remind Hitler he missed holocaust Macedonian jews.
User avatar #94747 to #94730 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
There weren't a lot. By some accounts, there are less than a couple hundred Jews in Macedonia today, which is like, 2.7~ mil.
User avatar #94751 to #94747 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
what do you think of Todor Aleksandrov?
User avatar #94753 to #94751 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
cool guy, don't afraid of anything, fought for macedonia and bulgaria
#94701 to #94698 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
neither do i. but carry on with your non-Islamic ISIS-like edgelord propaganda
User avatar #94704 to #94701 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
not propaganda, I'm just poking to start a discussion, I haven't been able to go out with friends and talk about this shit lately so I wanna argue online
User avatar #94711 to #94704 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]

As i see you are Macedonian according to your own profile. me and you share local enemy called pooreconomicalistan aka Greece. let us invade it and restore the occupied Macedonian parts and Muslim part
User avatar #94719 to #94711 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
I'm a pacifist at heart, but I am quite pissed at the whole situation. I do agree Greece is a dick country in general, they've been treating us with disrespect since our establishment and our side has done nothing but try and compromise.

Fking dick munchers.
User avatar #94725 to #94719 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Greeks are what we called reversed Jews. anyway i am syrian and i understand the situation of these fleeing terrorist supported to Europe. i guess now you know why assad barreled bombed the protesters
User avatar #94732 to #94725 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
I ain't got nothing against Syria or any country for that matter. What I have a problem with, is cunts walking into MY living area, and shitting on my carpet, and telling me my carpet doesn't look good without shit on it.

Nigger, I will literally open your chest, and shit inside your lungs. They look better that way.
User avatar #94737 to #94732 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Deport them.
User avatar #94742 to #94737 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
ah, my friend, if the power to make such actions lie in the people, we wouldn't have this issue today
User avatar #94748 to #94742 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
Then the problem is your government tbh
User avatar #94752 to #94748 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
yeah but here's the issue

1. I am not a natural leader or w/e to fulfill the role of an instigator and create a public revolt that could make a difference
2. I am not fit to be a politician so I can't make a difference there

The only thing I can do, is what I do - I talk to people and try to raise awareness as much as I can so that maybe people in better positions than me can do something about it. I also make a note to vote on all elections for the best possible candidate, as little as that does.

User avatar #94756 to #94752 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
-pats pats pats-
i feel you bro. but when there is a national conflict in the country and the government isnt giving a fuck then it is time to move out and stop controlling. if insisted on staying grab them and drop them on boiling water, feed them to the swines and feed the swines to the lions and the remaining carcass feed it the scavengers.
User avatar #94773 to #94756 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
fukken brutal
User avatar #94689 to #94687 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Why are you linking this to me?
User avatar #94691 to #94689 - pebar (09/28/2015) [-]
>join the military as a sniper to shoot muslim cunts
User avatar #94692 to #94691 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
I don't see your point, it's not like I said I'll be a movie-like sniper that goes and never misses and has a 500 killcount.

I have naturally steady hands, I'm physically weak but can endure a lot of time in shitty positions since that's all that I can do.

Of course, I expect that being a sniper is at least to some extent safer than being in the infantry, but still. If you're trying to tell me that being a sniper isn't the movie vision that is presented by Hollywood, I am well aware.
User avatar #94706 to #94692 - pebar (09/28/2015) [-]
being a sniper is not safer than infantry.....
User avatar #94708 to #94706 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
a person who's entire job is to remain unseen and take out targets from long range is not safer than a person who's job is to fight close-quarter skirmishes?

I'd ask you how, but I'm guessing you'd say something smug like "go back and watch the video i linked u hurr durr"
User avatar #94714 to #94708 - pebar (09/28/2015) [-]
snipers go into the heart of enemy territory, with no help nearby
their primary job is recon
User avatar #94718 to #94714 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
isn't that called a spotter?
#94724 to #94718 - pebar (09/28/2015) [-]
no... snipers work in teams.
Spotters collect information that's important to long range shooting like windspeed, effects of temperature, and such. They also help with followup shots since their mode of vision isn't shaken by recoil.
they're also really the only help a sniper will have on long missions
User avatar #94733 to #94724 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
still sounds safer than being in the fray
User avatar #94739 to #94733 - pebar (09/28/2015) [-]
not all infantry are front line units
User avatar #94741 to #94739 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
well, you've made me re-think my options, even though I'm still heavily leaning towards being a sniper as my most suitable military position

maybe a tactician or something relating to planing? I'm physically inept, have a bunch of health issues and shit, so I'd suck at being a brutish fighter
User avatar #94765 to #94741 - pebar (09/29/2015) [-]
even snipers have to go through basic
they most likely have to go through even harder survival training

if you're physically weak, the military won't want you
#94659 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]

We now have a FAQ/ rules sheet typed up.


I also put a sticky on each party profile so you can reference this whenever you want.

Go check it out, comment on any improvements, yadda yadda.

First session should be underway very soon so get ready and start forming your agendas and opening speeches, one will be presented for each party.

User avatar #94690 to #94659 - feelythefeel (09/28/2015) [-]
Where in the Balkans is Poletac?
User avatar #94688 to #94659 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Yo, I wanna be up in this shit, what I gotta know? I read the thing you linked already, where are the parties etc? Who are the members? Can I have an example of a legislature proposition for reference?
User avatar #94716 to #94688 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
Define yourself politically, some parties are bigger than others and I dont want to add more to already big parties.
User avatar #94740 to #94716 - klina ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
I am a pacifist, will try diplomacy before resorting to force.

Pro-choice, legal light drugs, against open carry, but guns are easily accessible with permits, gays are people too, same goes for other LGBT people, separation of religion and state (no days off for your religious events, but religions are free to practise what they want when they want etc.)

that enough or should i do more
User avatar #94749 to #94740 - poletacnews (09/29/2015) [-]
Eh, wait until we get at least pass our first session and I'll consider it.
User avatar #94754 to #94749 - klina ONLINE (09/29/2015) [-]
sure, I'm not ultra hyped for it and I won't be a bother, if you need me, you can find me
User avatar #94676 to #94659 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]
are you sure you guys arent taking this too far?
User avatar #94695 to #94676 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
Is it even possible to got too far with a meaningless forum game.

I mean the worst that can happen is we just give up on it.
#94649 - damnjuden (09/28/2015) [-]
Daily reminder to gas the taigs
User avatar #94667 to #94649 - kanadetenshi (09/28/2015) [-]
I feel like this is meant to be a satire of Jewish conspiracy but i can't help but not be surprised that people would believe this.
User avatar #94670 to #94667 - redandgreen ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Just a troll.
User avatar #94644 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]

Trump haters and libertarians BTFO.
-take away fed taxes for poor
-lower taxes for everyone else
-close corporate tax loopholes
User avatar #94663 to #94644 - kanadetenshi (09/28/2015) [-]
His proposal is basically a populist rip-off of Jeb Bush's.

I'll admit it's much better than when he tried to be a progressive butthole but this has it's own problems. One is that abolishing income tax for the lower class is pretty much useless because Income Tax is paid mostly by higher earners. The lower class suffers more from Payroll tax than income tax. Plus with his support of more progressive gov spending programs tax cuts will likely not help balancing the budget.

I'm supportive of tax cuts for the poor and rich but the US needs to focus on it's spending habits.
User avatar #94674 to #94663 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]
Think of it this way: less taxes forces less spending.
#94629 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
ok /pol/. this place is more boring than a talking baboon. and kinda more deader than disco itself. Let us have some "FUN"
User avatar #94665 to #94660 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
User avatar #94642 to #94641 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
so who is a jew in your family?
#94651 to #94645 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
>no multicultural marriage.

oy vey goy u anti semide!
User avatar #94654 to #94651 - klowserpok (09/28/2015) [-]
>implying a frenchman marrying an Irish woman isn't multicultural
#94655 to #94654 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
beat me goy. this is me tbh
User avatar #94661 to #94655 - valeriya (09/28/2015) [-]
That's more fun then compasses.

User avatar #94666 to #94661 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
User avatar #94668 to #94666 - valeriya (09/28/2015) [-]
#94671 to #94669 - valeriya (09/28/2015) [-]
Never, turk. Can't trust them turks.
User avatar #94672 to #94671 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
User avatar #94673 to #94672 - valeriya (09/28/2015) [-]
Can't even trust turks to admit they're turks.
User avatar #94675 to #94673 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
User avatar #94678 to #94675 - valeriya (09/28/2015) [-]
Soo, when are you going to explode?
User avatar #94679 to #94678 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
i aint shitskin. go visit KSA
User avatar #94680 to #94679 - valeriya (09/28/2015) [-]
The chart says otherwise I see a 100% shit skin there, Turk, mixed with some syrian, Jordanian mixed with Lebanese, yup shit skin. How have you not noticed this, look at your own arms.
User avatar #94682 to #94680 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
The idea of shitskins / arab is like the idea of nigger / black.

or maybe you are a newfag to generalization?
User avatar #94685 to #94682 - valeriya (09/28/2015) [-]
Is this just a way of you coping with your turkish blood?
#94686 to #94685 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
#94656 to #94655 - klowserpok (09/28/2015) [-]
And how many of them were brother/sister?
#94657 to #94656 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
NAH. my family dont act like a shitskin. we only mary Levantinians people away from the relatives and family. my future wife will ether be a christian or a jew. i guess the pic is proof enough.
User avatar #94646 to #94645 - damnjuden (09/28/2015) [-]
Gas the taigs, potato war now
Cromwell should have finished the job
User avatar #94647 to #94646 - klowserpok (09/28/2015) [-]
Whats your deal man?
I don't get it...
User avatar #94662 to #94647 - redandgreen ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Don't feed the trolls
#94648 to #94647 - damnjuden (09/28/2015) [-]
No one with potato in their genes could be smart enough to get it, taig sheepfucker
#94636 to #94629 - Zaxplab (09/28/2015) [-]
Do I get to be aryan now?
User avatar #94637 to #94636 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
shlomo plz! you are supposed to be shilling with your shills above in the right.
#94635 to #94629 - damnjuden (09/28/2015) [-]
Irish did 9/11
#94632 to #94629 - anon (09/28/2015) [-]
We had one 2 weeks ago
User avatar #94633 to #94632 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
was here
#94630 to #94629 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
#94638 to #94631 - pebar (09/28/2015) [-]
#94640 to #94638 - shekelnator ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Sorry Haji, gotta support Greater Syria
User avatar #94615 - gabemczombie (09/28/2015) [-]
So i'm writing a paper about communism and i can't really pin down what Stalinism and Maoism entails.

What i've understood so far is that contrary to Leninism, Stalinism was more about preserving Communism in the Union while Leninism was more about a worldwide revolution.

I don't quite get Maoism. Is it about how workers should stomp out the middle and ruling class and create their own culture through a cultural revolution?

Help me, politics.
User avatar #94634 to #94615 - kanadetenshi (09/28/2015) [-]
Both Stalinism and Maoism are forms of Marxism-Leninism. Some argue that Maoism is a form of Stalinism but i've seen Maoists reject that claim.

Marxism-Leninism is the belief that the economy should be under state control and single party rule led by a Vanguard Party.

Stalinism continues this belief but disagrees with the idea that socialism first needs to be established globally in order to achieve stateless communism, he believed that socialism can be achieved in a single country. Another part that made Stalinism unique was his strong focus on Urban Industrialization, this was mainly because Russia was economically still very backwards and rural and the soviets feared that they could not compete in war with the west. He also promoted forced collective farming or as i call it raping the peasants.

Maoism has similarities with Stalinism, Mao's campaign called the Great Leap Forward has a lot of similarities with Stalin's policies in terms of collective farming and Urban development. One of the biggest ideological differences however is while Stalinism and pretty much all other forms of marxism support the idea that both workers and peasants where revolutionary classes that should work together (hence the hammer and sickle symbol) Maoism is the idea that peasants where the revolutionary class and only focused on them. But this was mainly because after a failed revolution the communist party fled to the countryside and established a base among peasants who where the largest class. So Maoism is pretty situational.

If you want more details look throught the differences between Stalin's "First Five Year Plan" and Mao's "Great Leap Forward"
User avatar #94628 to #94615 - akkere (09/28/2015) [-]
Easiest way to define the policy of a leader is to look at what actions they had their legislation and following base perform. Look at things like Mao's "cultural revolution" and what his followers had performed to that end, for instance, as well as pinpoint his reasoning towards it. That will also be a lot easier to cite because you'll already have events to prove the points.
User avatar #94625 to #94615 - jewishcommunazi (09/28/2015) [-]
Stalinists see Stalinism (AKA Marxism-Leninism) as the contributions of Lenin and Stalin to the application of marxism in the real world context. Marx predicted that revolutions would break out in advanced capitalist countries like Germany. That's not exactly what happened so Lenin changed the theory. Later, Stalin and Trotsky made changes but the theories conflicts each other. In the case of Trotsky, he believed the theory of permanent revolution should be applied. Stalin, on the other hand, believed in socialism in one country, that we should focus in consolidating socialism in socialist states rather than instantly spreading revolution around the world.

Maoism was a term that only appears in the 80's. Before that, it was just Marxism-Leninism applied to the specific conditions of China. The term appeared because Mao's contributions to ML were seen as something that could be applied not just to China. The most notable modification sin recognising that the proletariat may not be the revolutionary class. In China, for example, only 13% of the population was industrial workers while the majority was peasants. They did try a proletarian revolution before Mao saved what was left of the revolutionaries in the Long March. Needless to say, they were being totally rekt before that.
User avatar #94618 to #94615 - schnizel ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Commies are all bad and must be shot
User avatar #94622 to #94618 - gabemczombie (09/28/2015) [-]
Thank you for yet another insightful comment, Schnizel
User avatar #94614 - valeriya (09/28/2015) [-]
So I don't have work tomorrow because something crawled into the air ventilation and died and gotten jammed. On that note, health and safety regulations.

Pebar I'm looking at you for the textbook explanation.
#94605 - kanadetenshi (09/28/2015) [-]
First phase of the FJ parliament

Okay so i've finally done the following: Make a constitution, make Rules, make party logos and establish the members of said party.

The constitution is a very simple one that focuses on simply the game itself rather than human rights. I want parties and ideas to be as diverse and possible.

Basic rules on how to manage a simply mock parliament.

Both rules and constitution may be up for debate and altered before we enter the following phase.

Furthermore i made the logos for current proposed parties. They're nothing special just recolored shit or logos that already existed, party members may make their own ones to replace these standard ones if they wish to.

A political party must at least have over one member to be able to enter elections, so far 7 parties are able to do so. If you're not on the list it's likely that you haven't properly declared as a member yet and you where either to vague or declined. If you want to be a member or switch parties then reply here.

Parties with more than one member will be up for primary elections to determine the parties representative, the parties with one member will have that member by default the representative. We will hold the primary elections in the second phase after we've agreed on the constitution, rules and we know all the members.

And finally each party will have to find a way to properly discuss with each other in order to maintain the party and to discuss bills. As for now i highly recommend party members to make their own platform because a platform is required in order to enter the elections. You can discuss party matters for now in this thread.

thekame, redandgreen, pebar, kanadetenshi, klowserpok, jewishcommunazi, schnizel, dehumanizer, shekelnator, mixednuts, feelythefeel, ablueguy, joshlol, Shiny, alimais, youregaylol, butthurtpirate, thechurchchurch, economicfreedom
User avatar #94643 to #94605 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]
I'll have the official 20 member list done by today.
User avatar #94713 to #94643 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
If possible I'm thinking about adding temporary representatives. Theres been some interest from non old fags, I wouldn't even consider them newfags really because I have at least seen most of the people we call newfags around some, these are completely new users that found the board somehow.

Maybe give them temporary passes, idk. You wont have to put them on the parliament list though.

What do you think?
User avatar #94721 to #94713 - buttthurtpirate (09/28/2015) [-]
I think you guys are taking it too far honestly. I don't think people are going to read all that fantasy shit you wrote.

I think we should first try this at 20 and expand if it sticks. I find it unfair that oldfag votes would be the same as newfag votes.
User avatar #94729 to #94721 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
Theres literally like one paragraph of fantasy stuff, the rest is just rules.

You cannot take something that is nothing too far, doesn't even make sense. Literally the worst that can happen is that nobody participates and its over, relax.

Understood, the person I was thinking about was probably another natsoc, we have enough of those.
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User avatar #94612 to #94605 - mixednuts (09/28/2015) [-]
The rules and constitution seem fine to me so far. If there is no one else interested in joining I can begin to create a platform for the Liberal Party right away.
User avatar #94613 to #94612 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
The first session will give each party the chance to describe what they stand, what their goals are, and hot button issues you'd like to address. I'll post information about the country on each political parties user page for you guys to look over before the game starts.

Everyone with more than one member in your party, get together and create an agenda and opening statement with your fellow members, then decide who will deliver thi smessage.

*Note: Every member of parliament will be allowed to speak once each session, the "representative" of your party isn't the only one who can speak for your party, you may speak as well if you wish, and even openly oppose the other members of your party.
User avatar #94677 to #94613 - feelythefeel (09/28/2015) [-]
You shouldn't make that the Poletac flag, it has a ton of Canadian imagery on it.
User avatar #94693 to #94677 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
Its just a temporary thing, once buttthurtpirate releases the parliament visual ill change it to that.
User avatar #94697 to #94693 - feelythefeel (09/28/2015) [-]
kk. Where in the Balkans are we? We're forming our party, and it woud help.
User avatar #94699 to #94697 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
I explained some of this in the FAQ, the area of Poletac is fictional and so are the surrounding areas, it's only based on the Balkans its not explicitly there.

But if it helps just imagine that we erased the real world Balkans from the map, and put our country and it's surrounding region there. Like I said it doesn't really matter all that much.
User avatar #94703 to #94699 - feelythefeel (09/28/2015) [-]
East or West Balkans? It actually matters to us.
User avatar #94705 to #94703 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
Who is us? I'm youregaylol bud, I'm in your party.

If you really need an answer it's East Balkans I guess.
User avatar #94710 to #94705 - feelythefeel (09/28/2015) [-]
So around Romania/Bularia?
User avatar #94610 to #94605 - dehumanizer (09/28/2015) [-]
but what are the already pre-established lwas in this country?
User avatar #94611 to #94610 - kanadetenshi (09/28/2015) [-]
Basically the only thing would be that people are allowed to have private property. Aside from that there are no rules at the moment.

Of course we're still discussing the details so it may change.
User avatar #94607 to #94605 - schnizel ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
dez nutz
User avatar #94609 to #94607 - youregaylol (09/28/2015) [-]
got em
User avatar #94601 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
alimais schnizel valeriya kanadetenshi shekelnator shiny byposted dehumanizer jewishcommunazi mixednuts akkere klowserpok feelythefeel economicfreedom pebar redandgreen marinepenguin zaxplab drastronomy thekame ablueguy joshlol

Greetings Representatives!
Out of the current 22 invites we have out 17 people have agreed to participate in the /politics parliament game. Considering the mass majority of you have been vocal about your participation I've decided to move forward with the project. Those of you who have not yet given feedback are encouraged to do so. Mainly the commies (jewishcommunazi, Shiny, valeriya) have been absent, I encourage you to stop being lazy Bolshevik assholes, comrades.

To streamline this process I've created this account to make announcements and, more importantly, start sessions. Whenever you're mentioned by this account it means one of two things. Parliament is in session or there is some important news about the gameworld.

Some of you are probably asking, "what the fuck is this game about?"
I've provided a small summary of it in this thread. Please Read the ENTIRE thread before asking questions, alot of you are just reading the first comment and not the rest of the thread where I go into more detail. Before the game officially starts I'll release a codified set of rules and a summary of what this is and isn't.

When will the game start? We're not sure, but we're thinking very soon. buttthurtpirate should be releasing the parliament visual either today or tommorow, and I've got to continue working on some of the framework of this. Coincidentally, making a game, even a text based game is surprisingly hard. I need to create realistic statistics for a fictional country, mainly I'm having trouble with the economic side of things, like figuring out a believable GDP, debt, revenue system, credit rating, ect. If anyone wants to help me feel free, you bums.

I took the liberty of creating profiles for each party, this way you can talk to each other on your profile about strategy without other parties seeing you, plus not annoying pms, just use the profile comments. Send a friend request to your party, I'll accept it and then give you the password which you can then change if you want, just tell your fellow members. I even made some for you friendless single member party fags.

/user/fjnsp (National Socialist Party)
/user/fjmonarchist (Monarchist Party
/user/fjlibertarian (Libertarian Party)
/user/fjliberal (Liberal Party)
/user/fjdemsoc (Democratic Socialist Party)
/user/fjcommie (Communist Party)
/user/fjcentrist (Centrist Party)

If you have any questions direct them to this account. Thanks.
User avatar #94608 to #94601 - kanadetenshi (09/28/2015) [-]
Great idea to make profiles for inner party discussion. Also found it funny that we both thought of the Futurama guy for the Centrist Party.
User avatar #94604 to #94603 - jewishcommunazi (09/28/2015) [-]
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#94602 to #94601 - poletacnews (09/28/2015) [-]
And I already fucked up.


THIS is the thread I was referring to, read it all before asking questions.
#94597 - alimais ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Some content you could post schnizel you generate more views
User avatar #94600 to #94597 - schnizel ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
will do
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#94591 - alimais ONLINE (09/28/2015) [-]
Must watch and mostly interesting at 6:25

Banned German satire "Die Anstalt". Media double standards on Russia and Ukraine (Eng Subs)
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