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#83837 - randpaul (04/26/2015) [-]
How many themed accounts do you all have?
User avatar #83857 to #83837 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
Good luck with your campaign.
#83839 to #83837 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
TOO MANY FAT BEN ACCOUNTS TO COUNT
#83819 - niggernazi (04/26/2015) [-]
Why arent you a tolerant femenist yet?
User avatar #83824 to #83819 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
Did you deliberately spell it 'femenist'?
User avatar #83825 to #83824 - niggernazi (04/26/2015) [-]
Who gives a shit?
User avatar #83826 to #83825 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
Femen are a radical protest group. I just wasn't sure if you mean all feminists or only Femen.
User avatar #83827 to #83826 - niggernazi (04/26/2015) [-]
I meant all feminists.
User avatar #83818 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
How are European libtards and American libtards different and the same?

I had previously thought American were far crazier.
User avatar #83833 to #83818 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
Everywhere except america, "liberal" means freedom
User avatar #83862 to #83833 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
So a European party called "The Liberty Party" or "The Liberal Party" wouldn't be leftist? Idk about that. Seems like they love the liberty of more multiculturalism and immigration.
User avatar #83858 to #83833 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
That's what I keep saying but it doesn't sink in.
User avatar #83864 to #83858 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
Are you a socialist? Do you want to redistribute more wealth?
Do you want more immigration and multiculturalism in your country? Do you care for the preservation of your own people (Irish I'm guessing) www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IfJSslXM-4&spfreload=10 which reminds me this is a pretty sad sight of what is happening to Ireland
Do you like the EU?
User avatar #83879 to #83864 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
I'm a collectivist but would like it to be opt-in. I believe in free speech, association and equal opportunities.

Most of the people coming to Ireland are from Eastern Europe. I don't have strong views on that either way. My main worry is that I think these people come looking for work and there really isn't much so they end up on benefits or Irish people end up on benefits. We need to improve prosperity or I'm concerned that people will become resentful (as your video suggests) on both sides.
I think it's easier for people to be accepting and tolerant of others when times are good but when the economy is bad people are upset and can look at others and resent them, especially when they're visibly different.
The people we should really blame, in my opinion, for our bad economic times are some major banks, corporations, shareholders and some of the politicians who were in the pocket of those private interests and acted against the electorate.

I'm OK with the EU, I don't think it will survive though, there are too many extremist parties appearing and it relies on a centrist consensus to work.
User avatar #83978 to #83879 - radiserne (04/27/2015) [-]
EU has dug too deep into national law to ever be going away.
User avatar #83828 to #83818 - RandomDoofus (04/26/2015) [-]
They are. Sometimes liberals in some European countries would actually be considered conservative in America.
User avatar #83821 to #83818 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
Same cheese, different brand.
#83807 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
#83842 to #83807 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
"Modern times are awesome stop worrying"

Same person at some later point in lifetime:
>Massive chimpouts and SJW riots to my left
>Angry fascists and neo-nazis to my right
>Prejudice rising on all sides
>Scattered communities under Sharia Law
>Economy collapsing under debt
>Militarized police force and full surveillance in any cities not yet on fire
User avatar #83859 to #83845 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
"The Beginnings" says "English" rather than "Saxon" and was a propagandist piece for the First World War.

After Kipling's son was tragically killed in the war he wrote "Common Form":

"If any questions
why we died,
Tell them,
because our fathers lied."

User avatar #83927 to #83859 - schnizel ONLINE (04/27/2015) [-]
Thas rite, the good guys lost the war
User avatar #83934 to #83927 - redandgreen (04/27/2015) [-]
Kipling was writing anti-German propaganda and the Germans lost the war. So, you approve of the poem but think the people it was directed against were the good guys?
Are you confused?
User avatar #83942 to #83934 - schnizel ONLINE (04/27/2015) [-]
No, but I'm high on PCP.
User avatar #83840 to #83807 - marinepenguin (04/26/2015) [-]
I could maybe agree with the whole "calm before the storm" idea. But comparing the end of the Roman Empire to the modern world is pretty silly.
User avatar #83841 to #83840 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
It's not silly, you willy.
User avatar #83843 to #83841 - marinepenguin (04/26/2015) [-]
Rome had no real knowledge of astronomy beyond what their religion has dictated them to learn. There was no real form of globalization happening, Roman emporers never knew what China, India, Indochina or the Americas were doing, nor was there any large form of cooperation.

Roman war tactics and machinery were well known and used by other people's and nations around the time the western empire fell. It's technology wasn't advanced enough to properly rule over such a large area, so it bankrupt itself trying to police its own territory.

Only way any of this can be put to the modern world is the multiculturalsm and mass migrations of Islamic people's into Europe and Latino peoples into the US. Otherwise few connections can be made between the two.
User avatar #83844 to #83843 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
www.netplaces.com/astronomy/same-sky/greek-and-roman-astronomy.htm
ephemeris.com/history/romans.html

They were Romanising Europe the same way the bankers are Globalising the planet.
The Romans knew, a bit about China.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
Yes, they have a large portion of their men as foreigner auxilia, same as the current world is doing, and it's more relying on Mercenaries, like Rome. They were advanced enough during the time when they were dealing with inferior foes, the bigger they became, with great irony they became weaker.
User avatar #83846 to #83844 - marinepenguin (04/26/2015) [-]
Compared to civilizations like the early Egyptians and the Mayans, Rome wasn't known for their astronomy.

And yes, which is why I said large cooperation, there was trade between Europe and China through the silk road for a thousand years, but major cooperation between the east and west didn't occur until the colonial era.


And who is relying on mercenaries in the modern world? The US doesn't need mercenaries, though military corporations like Blackwater have been hired during certain conflicts like Iraq (fallujah specifically) and Afghanistan, they are only used in operations that would otherwise violate the US COC and ROE.
User avatar #83847 to #83846 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
No, but they did, borrow what they had from the Greeks.
You had Parthia to the East, instead of China.
But enough talk about details, see the bigger picture.
User avatar #83848 to #83847 - marinepenguin (04/26/2015) [-]
Like I said, I agree with the "calm before the storm" idea. War is coming, a big one.
#83849 to #83848 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
Just a reminder.
User avatar #83852 to #83849 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
That's probably the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
User avatar #83853 to #83852 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
Why?
User avatar #83854 to #83853 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
Because

a. It's meaningless

b. The first one that caught my eye was the Franco-Prussian war, which I remember from school. So, Bismarck leading Prussia instigated the war and won it. Bismarck wasn't a Liberal, a Leftist or a Progressive. I'm guessing all the others are crap too.
User avatar #83855 to #83854 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
1.Just because you don't understand it does not mean it's meaningless.
2.What was France at that time, please tell me.
User avatar #83856 to #83855 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
1. So, explain to me in what way you think it is meaningful.

2. An Empire under Napoleon III, so um......?. That's irrelevant anyway though because your graphic says wars started or won by and Prussia both instigated and won the war.
User avatar #83929 to #83856 - schnizel ONLINE (04/27/2015) [-]
1.Read it again.
2.The French were progressive socialists faggots by todays standards.
User avatar #83933 to #83929 - redandgreen (04/27/2015) [-]
1. I still don't understand the point you're trying to make.

2. They had an Emperor....!? Also, as before they didn't start or win the war so it's irrelevant.
User avatar #83943 to #83933 - schnizel ONLINE (04/27/2015) [-]
The past will come to life.
So was Napoleon, but that didn't make him less socialist. They existed, that's the problem.
#83812 to #83807 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
astronomy was almost non-existent in the roman empire

this makes me doubt the credibility of this post
User avatar #83813 to #83812 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
It's a satirical post about how the Western world is similar to the situation the Roman empire was having, AKA the calm before the storm.
User avatar #83816 to #83813 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
ohhh, that's actually a pretty interesting post when you think about it that way.
#83814 to #83813 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
they were completely different....
User avatar #83820 to #83814 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
How so, the Romans didn't have iphones?
#83801 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
Explain yourselves libcucks
#83832 to #83801 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
The proper solution to such a thing would be:

-White cis male
-Go to event anyways
-Have someone video-tape the inevitable harassment, keeping calm and being civil the whole way.
-Show everyone who the real "mean-spirited" people are.
User avatar #83802 to #83801 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
No slave dreams of freedom, but he dreams of having his own slaves.
User avatar #83803 to #83802 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
I don't think that's necessarily true but regardless she was never a slave. To say she was a slave just validates the unjustified persecution complex she seems to have.

I am a liberal - I support equality and freedom, including freedom of expression whether I disagree with the opinions expressed or not.

She perceives inequality in society and wants to introduce different inequalities for a 'Justice' which is really a kind of persecution. She isn't a liberal.
User avatar #83817 to #83803 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
No true Scotsman.
User avatar #83822 to #83817 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
This happened at Goldsmiths University in London. She is a communist not a liberal.
User avatar #83830 to #83822 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAA_So0d01w&feature=youtu.be&t=4m22s Reminder you aren't a liberal. You are a leftist.
User avatar #83829 to #83822 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
Source, proof? I don't see herself saying she is a commie anywhere? Redistribution of wealth is a liberal concept anyhow, yes liberals do like socialism.
User avatar #83851 to #83829 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
There's a picture of her wearing a pro-communist t-shirt

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054067/Pictured-Diversity-officer-banned-whites-anti-racism-event-British-university-wiping-away-fake-tear-no-white-men-sign.html

There are other pictures and 'stuff' which you can find.

The video you link to, which we discussed before, shows a narrow American definition.

I am not a 'leftist'. I am a Liberal and I believe in opt-in collectivism.

User avatar #83861 to #83851 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
Alright I get it, you're not an american liberal, you are a European liberal better known as leftist ; )
User avatar #83805 to #83803 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
She becomes what she thinks of herself, and by her, she wants those who she hates to become like her while she becomes like them.
#83792 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
Nearly 2000 people dead after an earthquake in Nepal
User avatar #83799 to #83792 - radiserne (04/26/2015) [-]
You write this every time catastrophes happen. Why?
User avatar #83797 to #83792 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
And people call me cruel.
User avatar #83810 to #83797 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
you call for actively kill undesirables
User avatar #83811 to #83810 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
Because they threaten my survival.
User avatar #83983 to #83811 - drastronomy (04/27/2015) [-]
If a weak people threaten your survival, are you not, by extension, weak due to your reliance on the weak?

Is a strong person not one who can support themselves independently, all the while strengthening the weak?

I think the creation of genetically inferior people should be avoided in society, but that is in order to improve the genepool of future societies, as evolution is a beneficial, albeit cruel, process.
User avatar #84096 to #83983 - schnizel ONLINE (04/28/2015) [-]
I don't rely on the weak, nor the strong but the willing. Weak and strong is a state of mind and survival is the primal task and everything else is trivial.
#83793 to #83792 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
meanwhile, Vulcan is enraged
and it's beautiful
User avatar #83784 - youregaylol (04/26/2015) [-]
do american commies ever stop and think about the fact that their revolution would be mostly swarms of nig nogs and spics burning shit

marxists spend all this time inciting violence in ghettos but i dont think they fully realize that they're not gonna end up with Lenin and Trotsky high fiving under a red flag, but massive lvl 10 chimp out

i mean i know leftists aren't known for their foresight but it just seems so obvious
#83787 to #83784 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
I wonder if, when the final days of the US empire come, the US gov't would be above using drones on their own citizens.
I wonder if, when the final days of the US empire come, the US gov't would be above using drones on their own citizens.
User avatar #83804 to #83791 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
It's crazy he had to do that to get an answer and how could it be yes? That would be crazy!
#83776 - feelythefeel (04/26/2015) [-]
ITT: EU4. How am I doing? Right now I'm focusing on winning an independence war to strip Portugal of all its best colonies, and I'm doing well so far by pure virtue of ticking warscore. Other than that I'm trying to annex my PU Austria and eventually my vassal the Palatinate, while getting as many of my Germany claims as possible before they run out. They really don't give you enough time for it. I guess my main question is, how do I increase my relations with Austria so I can annex? Do I just wait for all of the negative relations from annexing HRE members and AE to wear off? Is there some way to get Austria to leave the HRE to increase relations? Side note, that Poland is looking really scary, but it doesn't seem to be too focused on me right now.
User avatar #83778 to #83776 - feelythefeel (04/26/2015) [-]
*ITT: Paradox
#83770 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
I have yet to understand why transpeople are given so much more credibility then otherkin...?

Pic is fucked up.
User avatar #83786 to #83770 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
because real trans people understand that gender disphoria is a real mental condition and that hormones and potentially surgeries are treatments for an illness.
User avatar #83789 to #83786 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
because real otherkin people understand that gender disphoria is a real mental condition and that fur coats and the outdoors and potential tail surgeries are treatments for an illness.
#83788 to #83786 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
>mutilating yourself, both chemically and physically, is a treatment for mental disorder
Nah
User avatar #83835 to #83788 - jewishcommunazi (04/26/2015) [-]
Provided they're way more likely to kill themselves if they don't do it, I'd say it's a pretty decent treatment.
User avatar #83790 to #83788 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
I never heard it that way, good one.
#83783 to #83770 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
Because even though they're fucked in the head, at least they think themselves human.
#83763 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
>You used to support these people   
>If you're a libcuck you STILL support these people   
   
Lol
>You used to support these people
>If you're a libcuck you STILL support these people

Lol
User avatar #83782 to #83763 - youregaylol (04/26/2015) [-]
RT deserves it for trying too humanize the animals
#83769 to #83763 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
Violence in Baltimore
#83767 to #83763 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
Here's a pic of the Russian girl getting culturally enriched btw
User avatar #83765 to #83763 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
Top kek, its almost like the bitch deserves it for being there.

If you call yourself a liberal in America, you basically support this and are as mentally retarded as the people in the video. Only difference is sadly they belong in prison to rot there but you don't.
User avatar #83823 to #83765 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
Come on, she didn't deserve to be attacked. It wasn't a very bright idea to be there though, I would have wanted to be filming on the other side of the police line.

The video is terrifying, you can kind of see the thing building up and then something just snaps and she's attacked.
User avatar #83831 to #83823 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
Not attacked, she had something stolen. But filming behind the police line and then advocating what those niggers are is hypocritical. So she did the right thing and got what she justly deserved. Maybe next time she will think twice, or maybe not and a bunch of ghetto black people will gang rape and kill her... who knows...
User avatar #83850 to #83831 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
That is an attack. RT advocate Russia really so they usually try to show the American state in a bad light..

I'm not sure why you feel you have to talk about a possible next time.
#83760 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
I've been looking at my city laws and switchblades and the like are illegal  statewide they are legal, just not in the city    
   
I've been thinking about buying a spring-assisted knife, which is not a switchblade. The law mentions "springblade" as one of the prohibited items. WTF is a spring blade?   
I'm confused.
I've been looking at my city laws and switchblades and the like are illegal statewide they are legal, just not in the city

I've been thinking about buying a spring-assisted knife, which is not a switchblade. The law mentions "springblade" as one of the prohibited items. WTF is a spring blade?
I'm confused.
#83785 to #83760 - klowserpok (04/26/2015) [-]
Could be worse man...
Still, I don't see the point in laws that ban knives.
#83838 to #83785 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
I'm still waiting for a stabbing massacre to occur with a plastic knife.
User avatar #83774 to #83760 - akkere (04/26/2015) [-]
From what I've seen, the most strict cities generally allow you to carry some kind of tool that you "don't have the intent to use as a weapon", so you could carry anything from a small hammer to a small screw driver and just say you like to go around town from time to time looking for electronics on craigslist.
The only time you'll ever run into a problem with having something like a leatherman tool (which has a knife, and a much better one than the swiss army knives if I might add) is if you're in a position where a cop searches you, i.e. you get pulled over and they decide to be asinine by glancing around for something to call you out on.
#83772 to #83760 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
wow what are you getting a knife for, you gonna kill someone?
OH GOD IT HAS A SPRING TO ASSIST OPEN IT, HES FO SHO GONNA KILL SOMEONE
#83761 to #83760 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
Just get a normal folding knife like everyone else. Switchblades are spic tier
#83762 to #83761 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
IT'S NOT A SWITCHBLADE
It's an assisted-opening knife. It's completely different.
User avatar #83758 - feelythefeel (04/26/2015) [-]
Would anyone here support an EU4 thread? akkere? pebar?
User avatar #83768 to #83758 - akkere (04/26/2015) [-]
Sure, why not?
User avatar #83771 to #83766 - akkere (04/26/2015) [-]
Europa Universalis IV
Strategy-Based Video Game set in between the 15th and 19th century, with a heavy integration of politics through diplomacy, economy, and of course, military actions. You get to colonize, conquer, or become a trading super power. It's pretty open-ended but isn't focused on combat like Total War, Civ, or Age of Empires, so it's different easing into it.
User avatar #83779 to #83771 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
how is the whole political thing going? I've always wanted to try out one of those games but I had no idea how they worked, long what decisions you make and how do they effect what?
User avatar #83869 to #83779 - akkere (04/26/2015) [-]
The specifics are a tad different depending on the culture you're jumping into but they all run parallel in that you might;
Marry a daughter or son to another leader's relatives to further relations
Utilize Espionage to do everything from basic spying to even inciting rebellions
Acquire "big friends" to maintain leverage against more hostile neighbors that might be larger than you.

For the European nations, especially ones closest to Austria in the 1444 starting time of most games, you'll have to deal with the Holy Roman Empire, who will hold elections for primary leaders, influence decisions, and either incorporate or outcast some nations depending on how you can manipulate the board.

It takes a good deal getting used to how things work and some things might be teeth gritting at first; you'll have to deal events like peasant wars and such if you aren't careful in how you balance things economically, and some things will even be completely out of your hand like random events that are translated superstitiously to be omens that reduce your nation's stability.
User avatar #83759 to #83758 - feelythefeel (04/26/2015) [-]
Paradox games in general are good too.
#83750 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/04/24/georgia-campus-closed-in-debate-over-racism-patriotism-free-speech-terrorism/

Credible death threats that shut down an entire campus apparently isn't front page news when the perpetrator is a SJW.
#83751 to #83750 - klowserpok (04/26/2015) [-]
Articles like that make me feel pessimistic about the future of America.

#83757 to #83751 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
Remember I told you North America is dead. Especially the U.S.A.

It isn't this post... but I think I'm done loving America. You guys might have more rightwing people then Canada but America is just such a shithole, and it's extremely degenerate. It's the bleeding heart and center of degeneracy, where rap and niggers thrive. It has no chance of staying majority white anyhow, like it is literally physically impossible now when you compare the amount of illegals, the amount of immigrants coming in per year, the amount of non-whites having babies vs. the whites and the amount of mixed breeding. I'm done loving you America, you are a shithole. You are another version of Sweden. Fuck America.
#83781 to #83757 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
Aggressive multicultural mentality is the ultimate weapon. A poison of the mind that spreads across the population at an accelerating rate. Who needs nukes to destroy us when the west is just going to niggerize and muzzify itself?
#83775 to #83757 - klowserpok (04/26/2015) [-]
La Québec, c'est impérissable.   
You'd be surprised how many Quebecois (and I mean actual Quebecois, not the masses of foreigners that've been unreasonably let in)  are parroting anti-immigration. Sure, college cultural Marxists are still a bit louder  bunch of whining, ill-educated cunts , but I've even managed to convince a couple of the less hardcore ones about the faults in unrestricted immigration.
La Québec, c'est impérissable.
You'd be surprised how many Quebecois (and I mean actual Quebecois, not the masses of foreigners that've been unreasonably let in) are parroting anti-immigration. Sure, college cultural Marxists are still a bit louder bunch of whining, ill-educated cunts , but I've even managed to convince a couple of the less hardcore ones about the faults in unrestricted immigration.
#83748 - anon (04/25/2015) [-]
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Why do liberals make it so easy to dislike them?
User avatar #83739 - jewishcommunazi (04/25/2015) [-]
What do you think of Xi Jinping?
User avatar #83800 to #83739 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
?
User avatar #83834 to #83800 - jewishcommunazi (04/26/2015) [-]
Asian government man. Current chinese president.
User avatar #83836 to #83834 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
he's chinese
User avatar #83726 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/24/what-i-saw-disgusted-me-black-rand-paul-supporter-saw-this-comment-about-her-had-to-speak-out/

liberals treat black people like they're angels

unless they're republicans

liberals hate black republicans with a fiery passion
User avatar #83747 to #83726 - kanadetenshi (04/25/2015) [-]
"House nigger, Uncle Tom, Race traitor" Just a few thing i hear tolerance and diverse white Democrats tell black republicans/libertarians
#83742 to #83726 - anon (04/25/2015) [-]
Not even black people with opposing viewpoints are immune from the liberal hatred. Anyone who happens to think differently with a liberal is branded a racist, sexist, homophobe, etc. Non liberal blacks are branded Uncle Toms usually.
#83740 to #83726 - anon (04/25/2015) [-]
Seeing a black republican just makes white liberals take off their "I'm not racist" mask.
User avatar #83720 - beatmasterz ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
Why are so many muslims in europe sympathetic towards ISIS? No troll answers pls.
User avatar #83809 to #83720 - niggernazi (04/26/2015) [-]
Because Islam is a fucking shitty religion? Seriously, they live in the fucking dark age.
User avatar #83724 to #83720 - akkere (04/25/2015) [-]
A lot of them think ISIS simply wants to fight for the best interests of Islam as a whole rather than just for their particular faction, apparently.
What they don't realize is that ISIS also curses the scientific advancements made in the Islamic scientific revolution of the medieval era as straying away from Islam... while using the Internet as their primary faucet for misinformation and recruiting network. So even ideaologically wise, grossly misguided or otherwise, they shouldn't be winning any favors either. But for whatever reason ISIS has an effective charismatic campaign for their neighboring regions and apparently even in the West.
User avatar #83721 to #83720 - radiserne (04/25/2015) [-]
Because they're both muslims?
User avatar #83722 to #83721 - beatmasterz ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
You can be muslim without being a terrorist.
#83729 to #83722 - cabbagemayhem (04/25/2015) [-]
Ben Shapiro: The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority Hehe, I wish. That's what they tell you up front, but ask any Muslim specifically what they believe and you'll get different answers.
User avatar #83806 to #83729 - redandgreen (04/26/2015) [-]
There was a mosque in the US which the FBI sent an undercover guy into and they reported him because they thought he was an extremist.
User avatar #84003 to #83806 - cabbagemayhem (04/28/2015) [-]
Who is they? You mean one person reported him?
User avatar #84147 to #84074 - cabbagemayhem (04/28/2015) [-]
So it was most likely just one person. And, what a surprise, he also found a radical at that mosque. What are the odds?
User avatar #83733 to #83729 - beatmasterz ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
I know muslims who are peaceful people.
User avatar #83734 to #83733 - schnizel ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
I have never killed a jew either.
User avatar #83736 to #83734 - beatmasterz ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
ok..?
User avatar #83744 to #83736 - cabbagemayhem (04/25/2015) [-]
His point is, he would if he could. Most Muslims, who are in every other way just like us, either support terrorism (they call it jihad) or at least think it's sometimes justified. They just don't see things like 9/11 the same way we do. That's not a surprise because their book goes through a lot of trouble to justify these things. I'm sure your friends are otherwise decent people, but a part of them is still a part of that system.
User avatar #83746 to #83744 - schnizel ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
I speak in mysterious ways.
User avatar #83741 to #83738 - beatmasterz ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
false comparison, since they're muslim and you're a nazi.
User avatar #83745 to #83741 - schnizel ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
I'm not an evil goy
#83952 to #83745 - drakeii (04/27/2015) [-]
well hello again schinzel and niggernazi

ur casual muslim fjer here, i would be honored to answer any questions about islam with authentic refrence if you like too

User avatar #83953 to #83952 - schnizel ONLINE (04/27/2015) [-]
How many explosives do you have on yourself?
#83955 to #83953 - drakeii (04/27/2015) [-]
classic schnizel

ask me about islam already i know ;that you know ur information about islam is false

i want you to become my brother
User avatar #83956 to #83955 - schnizel ONLINE (04/27/2015) [-]
How do you feel knowing that your prophet is nothing but an arab warlord and raided, sacked, enslaved, and raped his way up north until he dropped dead?
#83957 to #83956 - drakeii (04/27/2015) [-]
thats a statement, try a question this time

come man , inquire
how old are you btw ?
User avatar #83958 to #83957 - schnizel ONLINE (04/27/2015) [-]
420
That's a question.
#83959 to #83958 - drakeii (04/27/2015) [-]
i guess ur not in the mood, till we meet again !
User avatar #83725 to #83722 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
why would you be a terrorist when other people can be a terrorist for you?

you said "sympathetic towards isis"
#83780 to #83717 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
>Implying National SOCIALISM isn't left wing
>Implying National SOCIALISM isn't left wing
#83873 to #83780 - anon (04/26/2015) [-]
It incorporates elements of both wings.
#83697 - anon (04/25/2015) [-]
How different would the world be if Saudi Arabia wasn't sitting on huge oil reserves?
User avatar #83708 to #83697 - byposted (04/25/2015) [-]
Hypothetically, reverse eons of subsurface development. How precariously does the oil market flow, without Saudi surplus production capacity!

Did you want to shift that resource, somewhere else?

Bedouins taken to camel's milk, Middle Eastern matters would be received less brazenly, and, so, one could suspect burger commentators relenting in their desire to drop nuclear weapons over everything:

IRAN POSITIONING ITSELF AGAINST OUR SECOND GREATEST ALLY, IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS? NUKE THE ARMADA! BAGDADI AND HADI, NOT HAYDAR AND HOUTHI, OKAY? G-D BLESS KING SALMAN!
User avatar #83701 to #83697 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
the market would adjust accordingly
"greener" energy would be more of an option since oil would be more expensive
people would drive less; maybe ride bikes more
shipping & handling would cost more
#83704 to #83701 - anon (04/25/2015) [-]
I meant more in the sense that the oil was somewhere else, and Western leaders didn't have to act chummy with an Islamist Autocrat to access it.

But those are interesting observations too.
User avatar #83705 to #83704 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
Saudis in Audis oh
then the global community wouldn't be tolerating Saudi Arabia's bullshit
#83693 - lulzforalpsplane (04/25/2015) [-]
I think I really like the Chinese system for capital punishment. In fact I am a firm believer that first degree and probably even second degree murder should only have life in prison or death penalty for the crime, life in prison being only used when the case is one of debatable nature which is most likely a small percentage. Thus most murders should be killed.

Human right violation isn't an argument btw because it is a completely subjective and debatable idea that isn't followed much anyhow (UN is practically useless) and I don't agree at all with. China should go back to hanging 20,000+ like it did 10 years ago.
#83730 to #83693 - cabbagemayhem (04/25/2015) [-]
I agree with the system you described (except for the China part). Anyhow, capital punishment is such a narrow thing to focus on when our entire prison system needs reform.

Why does the prison system need reform?
It's a simple wisdom, known since antiquity, that true justice is an eye-for-an-eye. Yes, forgiveness is an important part of a good justice system, but that's discretionary of the victim, not the default of the state. Our current system doesn't deal fair justice in any way shape or form. For example:

* If you do drugs, they ruin your life before you can even ruin it yourself.

* If you steal money, they don't take your money, they take your freedom.

* If you do physical harm, they don't lash you, they do mental harm.

* If someone murders, they don't execute him (or give him life in prison), they give him some years and then let him out.

As you can see, light offenses carry too heavy punishments, and heavy offenses carry too light punishments, and we use prisons as the default punishment for everything! We end up with ordinarily normal citizens locked in cells with society's sociopaths. This is neither fair for the citizen, nor the sociopath.

What's wrong with prisons?
Nothing's wrong with prison in and of itself, it's just grossly overused. They are useful for three things:

* Separating people from society that can't function in society.

* Preventing a charged criminal from fleeing.

* Delivering punishment by taking away a man's freedom.

Most of people charged with a crime aren't so dangerous that we need to build a wall around them. Many respectable citizens commit crimes in their early years, or out of desperate circumstances. They should be punished, but not destroyed. Prison has the effect of appearing civilized and humane, all the while destroying lives. That's because the destruction is mostly mental, is spread over weeks, not hours or days, and it's largely outside the public's eye. This is what will happen if you go to jail:

* You will be stripped of your possessions and attire, separated from your family and friends, and not allowed to take care of yourself as you normally would.

* You will be confined to a small room with real criminals. They try to separate serious offenders from light offenders, but it doesn't work. There is a lot of overlap. You may also have multiple cell mates (prisons are becoming packed).

* You will be fed just enough to be sedentary.

* You will not be allowed to do anything truly productive or educational. This has very negative psychological effects not readily apparent to most people.

* You will be constantly watching out for the possibility of violence from other inmates. At first, such high-stress can be managed, but extended periods of high-stress takes heavy tolls on a persons body and mind.

* You must make friends with criminals. The alternative is to have no human contact at all, which will eventually make you crazy.

* This will persist for days or weeks. A single day is a very long time to be confined, and most people will forget themselves within a few weeks.

But, if they didn't want to do the time, they shouldn't have done the crime, right?
It's just not that easy. Even small crimes are going to be committed by half-decent people no matter how bad the punishment is. At some point, you might even have to commit a crime for a some reason that you can't explain in court, but will be willing to accept the consequences for. In which case, you don't want that punishment to be crazy. Giving excessive penalties just makes the state the bigger sinner. If someone steals your pack of gum, and you slit their throat, who's the real criminal? They were at first, but that became moot after you slit their throat.
#83743 to #83730 - anon (04/25/2015) [-]
You forgot to list one of the things that will happen if you go to jail.

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#83731 to #83730 - cabbagemayhem (04/25/2015) [-]
So, how can prison be reformed?
There is already a lot of talk about alternatives to incarceration [1]. The U.N. published a handbook [2] documenting problems with the prison system and suggesting alternatives for different types of crimes. You've seen some of these implemented in the form of house arrest with ankle bracelets, and fines. But, that's just a first step. For the vast majority of crimes, almost anything, including lashings, would be a better solution than prison. Prison should only be used to prevent a charged man from fleeing, and separating real psychopaths from society.

House arrest? Fines? Those are too easy
They are also effective. Remember, we are talking about small offenses. In many countries the use of imprisonment as a form of punishment is relatively recent. It may be alien to local cultural traditions that for millennia have relied on alternative ways of dealing with crime. [2] Further, imprisonment has been shown to be counter-productive in the rehabilitation and reintegration of those charged with minor crimes.

Lashings!? You call that humane?
Yes! -- compared to the prison system. It is much more humane to give a man a whipping and let him go back to his family and feed his children, than it is to punish his entire family, and train him to be a worse criminal. It may even pass on to this children. The immediate punishment can be more effective at preventing recurring crimes, while still leaving the man intact as a person.

I think we can come up with something better than lashings, but that's a great example of how barbaric our current system is, and how there is no excuse to use it when there are cheaper, more effective, and more humane methods.


References

1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_reform

2. United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime (2007) Handbook of basic principles and promising practices on Alternatives to Imprisonment, www.unodc.org/pdf/criminal_justice/Handbook_of_Basic_Principles_and_Promising_Practices_on_Alternatives_to_Imprisonment.pdf
User avatar #83706 to #83693 - marinepenguin (04/25/2015) [-]
I think that capital punishment should be allowed. Gallows, beheading, firing squads, etc. I don't really care how they die, it's supposed to be an example for those who may follow in their footsteps, a deterrent.

Murder, child sex, treason, etc. Major crimes like those should have a one time penalty, as in if you commit it once you are going to be killed.

Smaller crimes should be given extra chances. So a second aggravated assault charge within 10 years would receive a death penalty would be an example. Obviously I can't lay out an entire chart of everything, but its what I believe.

In the end it saves the state money by not having to deal with as many prisoners, and it deters crime.
User avatar #83719 to #83706 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
the evidence shows it has no deterrent effect compared to life in prison
and it's more expensive due to the appeals process
User avatar #83727 to #83719 - marinepenguin (04/25/2015) [-]
Maybe under current methods. And the fact that an appeals process and killing someone is more expensive then feeding, clothing, and storing someone for their entire lives shows a problem with the system.
User avatar #83716 to #83706 - syrianassassinsoul ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
i like how me and you think the same.
#83712 to #83706 - byposted (04/25/2015) [-]
>child sex
>major crime

muh trauma possibly PTSD?
User avatar #83728 to #83712 - marinepenguin (04/25/2015) [-]
I'm not sure if you are beingg serious. Sexual assault against children is one of the worst crimes in my opinion. Crimes against children in general really.
User avatar #83753 to #83728 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
he is being extremely sarcastic...
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User avatar #83696 to #83693 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
what the hell, man...
User avatar #83698 to #83696 - lulzforalpsplane (04/25/2015) [-]
what? You some bitch that thinks "ohh evwy life is sacred, death penalty is howwible!111"
User avatar #83700 to #83698 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
no, but I don't think we should execute 20,000 people for kicks and giggles either
User avatar #83702 to #83700 - lulzforalpsplane (04/25/2015) [-]
Who said kicks and giggles? Why are you misrepresenting my position?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_offences_in_China
#83703 to #83702 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
do these deserve death?   
   
separatism   
rioting   
arson   
flooding   
illegal possession of firearms   
fraud   
intentional assault   
rape   
robbery   
prison escape   
drug smuggling, dealing   
prostitution   
embezzlement
do these deserve death?

separatism
rioting
arson
flooding
illegal possession of firearms
fraud
intentional assault
rape
robbery
prison escape
drug smuggling, dealing
prostitution
embezzlement
User avatar #83752 to #83703 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
A lot of those they should have the option for. I know it will never happen but it is my opinion.

separatism - ohh hell yes
roiting - no
arson - option (ie - purposefully making a forest fire, kill him)
flooding - option (especially if dam or something, kill him)
illegal possession of firearms - option (ie. if something horrible and in big quantity)
fraud - option if large amount (billions)
intentional assault - if u beat him half to death, yes
rape - yes
robbery - yes especially if dangerous fucked up one
prison escape - hell yes
drug smuggling, dealing - no unless it is literally poison
prostitution - no
embezzlement - yes if in large amount (billions)

I have the honest belief that people are not naturally born good, they are born animals and can become good. Strict rules will keep motherfuckers from doing this especially with strong punishments, and if they dont care then they die. Problem solved, who cares about the lives of criminals who do pretty bad shit.
#83755 to #83752 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
For separatism, why is that such a bad thing?
If a group of people are so different that they are so upset with the current government that they would rather no be a part of it, what's wrong with breaking off?

Especially if you don't like multiculturalism.
User avatar #83764 to #83755 - lulzforalpsplane (04/26/2015) [-]
Maybe, but I was thinking more of a separatist terrorist type activity. I guess it is quite hypocritical if you look at what separatism means and just the general scope. So fine you win on that one.
User avatar #83711 to #83703 - schnizel ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
yes
#83718 to #83711 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
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User avatar #83732 to #83718 - schnizel ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
Me and people like me are the reason you can walk home safe at night.
#83749 to #83732 - pebar ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
people like you are the reason liberals (anti-reactionaries) have so much support.
User avatar #83794 to #83749 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
For now.
User avatar #83795 to #83794 - pebar ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
extremists, by definition, do not have majority support
User avatar #83796 to #83795 - schnizel ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-]
For, now.
User avatar #83735 to #83732 - radiserne (04/25/2015) [-]
Internet nazis?
User avatar #83737 to #83735 - schnizel ONLINE (04/25/2015) [-]
yes
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