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#120941 - valeriya
Reply +2
(07/01/2016) [-]
Uk politics and buisness right now in a nut shell.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452 - Osborne seems to have broken his own rules.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-36643231

Quick note for people FTSE 100 is not a good indicator of the UK economy, the FTSE 250 is a better indicator but still not ideal
#120948 to #120935 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
Yes. The goal is to destroy the native white populations by drowning them in immigrants. Haven't you figured this out yet?
#120939 to #120935 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
Not only in Netherlands, islamic high schools are set to open in both Sweden and Denmark this year.
Those who control education control the future.
#120932 - lotengo
Reply +3
(07/01/2016) [-]
Breaking: new elections in Austria
#120938 to #120932 - thumbfortrump
Reply +1
(07/01/2016) [-]
Good ruling.
#120936 to #120932 - kanadetenshi
Reply +1
(07/01/2016) [-]
The electoral system in Austria is one of the weirdest i've seen.
#120933 to #120932 - marinepenguin
Reply +1
(07/01/2016) [-]
Oh SHIIIT
#120937 to #120933 - lotengo
Reply +1
(07/01/2016) [-]
Brexit is not an isolated incident, right wing is taking back the west.
Its Happening
#120943 to #120937 - marinepenguin
Reply +1
(07/01/2016) [-]
Let's hope it's to become a movement for freedom and liberty, and not an extreme right reaction to extreme left.
#120944 to #120943 - thumbfortrump
Reply +1
(07/01/2016) [-]
How are people in EU member states not free?
#120945 to #120944 - marinepenguin
Reply +1
(07/01/2016) [-]
I never said they weren't.
#120946 to #120945 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
Then what's point of a movement for freedom if they're already free?
#120947 to #120946 - marinepenguin
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
I think currently we're drifting towards left wing authoritarianism, the rights are slowly being eroded away in the name of political correctness and inclusion.

I'm simply saying that I hope this reversal to the right is one towards classical liberalism/ libertarianism and not another form of authoritarianism.

I wasn't trying to imply there was no freedom within the EU.
#120950 to #120947 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
That may be the case here, but Europe is different. Sure, there are many liberal and leftist movements that want the same as Hillary, but there are just as many, if not more movements who are conservative, nationalist or libertarian.
Also, stripping a European of his rights is very difficult. States answer both to their own constitutional court, the EU-court and the ECHR.
#120930 - lotengo
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
Within 4 hours the court will valdidate the green president of Austria OR call for new elections.

FPÖ candidate Hofer lost the election in a 1 on 1 with 0.3%, he was ahead but lost after the votes that arrived by mail or something.
#120922 - asotil
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
>“Our vision for Death Note has always been to bring this captivating story to the screen for its longtime manga fans and to introduce the world to this dark and mysterious masterpiece. The talent and diversity represented in our cast, writing, and producing teams reflect our belief in staying true to the story’s concept of moral relevance — a universal theme that knows no racial boundaries.”
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WE
WUZ
JAPANESE SERIAL KILLAZ
N SHIET
#120934 to #120922 - kanadetenshi
Reply +2
(07/01/2016) [-]
>White girl plays a racially neutral cyborg from a Japanese animation
WHITEWASHING, RACISM, ECT
>Black guy plays an actual Asian character
OMG SO DIVERSE
#120927 to #120922 - theism
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
>Getting mad about actors race in a movie.
#120925 to #120922 - aceofshadows
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
That's pretty neat but what's the picture about?
#120926 to #120925 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
That's L.
#120924 to #120922 - canyou ONLINE
Reply +2
(07/01/2016) [-]
There must be huge money in selling out franchises to pander to liberals. Shock value. My best guess is these will start going away when stupid movie gimmicks stop being controversial.
#120923 to #120922 - pebar
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
all live actions versions of cartoons (and anime) suck
all live actions movies based on video games suck

no exceptions
#120940 to #120923 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
i saw warcraft last night actually, it was surprisingly good
#120931 to #120923 - marinepenguin
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
Warcraft was good.
#120919 - anon
Reply -2
(06/30/2016) [-]
#120921 to #120919 - pebar
Reply +4
(07/01/2016) [-]
"Person emails hundreds of people asking for free stuff"
"republican replies no"

"OMG republicans are sociopaths"
#120910 - canyou ONLINE
Reply +1
(06/30/2016) [-]
#120918 to #120908 - figatron
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Did Cinemark actually do something wrong or is this lawsuit as dumb as it sounds?
#120920 to #120918 - pebar
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
the victims had previously tried to sue the theater
under state law, if you try to sue someone and you lose, you have to pay for their legal fees
this is to avoid frivolous law suits

#120928 to #120920 - figatron
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
I think that's a good thing. Many people try to sue big companies knowing they'll settle. And the legal fees and lost time due to discovery and depositions usually man they will.
#120903 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Jeb Bush spotted in airport with his dream crushed. Will he become a big guy?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35DrtPlUbc&list=PLld9ttdXC5-ngZEuCY6W-EUv-aiZCi_jL&index=25
#120876 - lotengo
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
So there's this 'boy' in Sweden with a youtube channel where he dresses up as a girl and acts like a faggot, the name of the channel sounds like 'anal´
www.youtube.com/channel/UCWgREGHu5zds_wwsBjlMswQ

I want your guys to give me your 2 cents first because this might just be to bad for my comps
#120984 to #120876 - cheezersnacks
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
Pretty sure it's a joke channel, if it's not he's a brainwashed little kid who's gonna kill himself in the future anyways when he realises he has wasted his youth trying to be something he's not.
#120929 to #120876 - Zaxplab
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
He's got 220 subscribers and his most popular video has under 5k views. Why even worry?
#120906 to #120876 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Welp, just saw you posted the same video, didn't show up on my phone.
#120901 to #120876 - drastronomy ONLINE
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
i want to kill myself
#120905 to #120901 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Why not put that energy towards wanting to kill them?
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Matthew 18:6
#120881 to #120876 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
isn't that the boy from that Swedish TV show where a muslim blows everything up?
#120883 to #120881 - lotengo
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
The one in the channel I linked?
#120886 to #120883 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Allahu akbar girl Found it. Third person.
#120885 to #120883 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
ye
#120890 to #120885 - lotengo
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
I dunno, could be, his name pops up in related channels.

But the fuck is going on in this world?

If somebody from my school, from my town, or evn the next town over was pulling this off we'd form a mob and toss him in the river somewhere.
#120892 to #120890 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
He'll probably drink bleach in the near future.
#120878 to #120876 - aceofshadows
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
What a faggot.
#120913 to #120875 - anon
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
how tacky
#120855 - canyou ONLINE
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

Trump is leading again?

I think I should stop paying attention to polls. They change every single week for seemingly no reason.
#120914 to #120855 - anon
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Rasmussen Reports is the only poll that seems to have him leading. And they predicted that Romney would win in 2012. Still, by most other polls Hillary has a pretty salable lead.
#120862 to #120855 - drastronomy ONLINE
Reply +3
(06/30/2016) [-]
yeah lol

its almost like they collect new data every week or something
#120869 to #120862 - canyou ONLINE
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Yeah, but keeping up with polls that are constantly changing seems like a waste of effort
#120844 - anon
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Crapitalism
#120912 to #120844 - canyou ONLINE
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
What a cocksucker
#120904 to #120844 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
That's disgusting. Workers aren't a resource to be exploited for the benefit of the owner. They're people working towards a common goal for the good of the nation, and the nation's people.
#120916 to #120904 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
The employees are jewish.
#120917 to #120916 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Well if the higher ups are Jewish then this is to be expected. Doesn't make it any more acceptable. I have worked for Jews before, and this is to be expected from them.
#120854 to #120844 - lotengo
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
#3 made me remember elementary school.
In ye old times, before the world wars or before industrial revolution or something, the 1% had more power. You could not demand a raise because there where always 10 other people begging to take your job.
#120848 to #120844 - thumbfortrump
Reply +2
(06/30/2016) [-]
Sounds lile a douche.
#120845 to #120844 - pebar
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
what's the problem?
#120900 to #120845 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
The first one's pretty good for the employees but the other two are essentially saying "you're replaceable". Rather than why they should be happy that's why the employer doesn't care about them.
#120907 to #120900 - pebar
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
well it's true

economically, during recessions, aggregate wages are supposed to drop so full employment can be maintained. However from a management perspective, it tends to be bad for moral when wages drop which can seriously impact operations. Furthermore, contracts and unions are very resistant to wages falling. This is what economist call "sticky wages"
because of this, unemployment tends to increase instead which is what makes recessions so bad.

One of the keynesian solutions was to use inflation as a way to lower real wages in a hidden way because the overall value of a person's salery decreases with the actual number not changing.
However economists have determined that this is a very short term solution because people get used to the inflation and begin to input it into contracts. You hear it a lot with how people want the minimum wage to increase with inflation.
People predicting inflation (among other things) is termed "rational expectations"
#120909 to #120907 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Yes but packaging it as "Why you should be happy" is an underhanded management tactic.
#120911 to #120909 - pebar
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
if they have job security in such an environment, they should be happy
#120915 to #120911 - theism
Reply +1
(06/30/2016) [-]
The implication is you don't have job security.
#120813 - canyou ONLINE
Reply +2
(06/30/2016) [-]
If you kill yourself, your enemies can't win anymore
#120847 to #120813 - thumbfortrump
Reply +4
(06/30/2016) [-]
You should apply for an advisory job in Canada.
#120839 to #120813 - theism
Reply +3
(06/30/2016) [-]
You're trying to trick me into fucking up my k/d.
#120791 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
American version of the EU may be happening.
#120842 to #120791 - asotil
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
US, Puerto Rico, Samoa

Protectorates are pretty much states as our federal law applies, as well as customs and legal things like voting
#120942 to #120842 - seniorawesomesauce
Reply 0
(07/01/2016) [-]
The Liberal government announced on Tuesday that as of December 1, 2016, Mexican citizens will no longer need visas to visit Canada. Wednesday’s trilateral talks produced another resolution to facilitate seamless travel throughout North America: Mexico plans to implement the same electronic entry kiosks and programs used at airports throughout Canada and the U.S. “By the end of this year, we’ll have a single trusted traveller program for all three of our countries, which will make it easier to travel while at the same time improving security,” Obama said.
#120840 to #120791 - pebar
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
the United States is collection of 50 different individual states under a single government, hence the name

the US is the american version of the EU
#120846 to #120840 - thumbfortrump
Reply +1
(06/30/2016) [-]
We're beyond the EU.
#120828 to #120791 - anon
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
As Europe slowly begins to veer away from its mistake, America is drawn ever closer to it.
#120838 to #120828 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Don't worry. They don't realize the type of fire they're lighting yet.
#120821 to #120791 - marinepenguin
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Pls no
#120792 to #120791 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Cooperation by nations is a fine thing. As long as those nations maintain sovereignty I see nothing wrong with it.
#120795 to #120792 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
^average liberal
#120849 to #120795 - anon
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Just fucking make out already.
#120863 to #120849 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
No tongues.
#120798 to #120795 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
It's funny that you think that's an insult. Is that what it's like to be a partisan? Or are you just abnormally angry?
#120800 to #120798 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
It's an insult to liberalism in general that mongos like you are average.
#120802 to #120800 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Learn more words or get a coherent worldview. If you're going to be this stupid at least be eloquent about it.
#120805 to #120802 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
The great things about roasting you is that I don't need to put much effort into it.
#120807 to #120805 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
It's pretty obvious you don't put much effort into most things. Since this is the point where you run out of things to say and I don't feel like going back and forth with you all night I think I'll excuse myself from this conversation.
#120809 to #120807 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
The great thing about me is that I never run out of things to say, I can bant like a drunk australian. You on the other hand are about as witty as wet toast, but without the personality.
#120793 to #120792 - sixmillionjuice
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
You understand that this is a free ticket for Mexicans to come and go into the United States as they please right?
#120794 to #120793 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
No it isn't.
#120841 to #120794 - pebar
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
one of the biggest things about the EU was freedom of movement and open borders to EU citizens

there was a thing in the news today about how that would be a requirement if Britain wanted to get back into the EU market
#120843 to #120841 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
I imagine there were conditions that would prevent illegal immigration? Or that this bill, given the climate of North America, would take that into account.
#120782 - pebar
Reply +5
(06/29/2016) [-]
www.inforum.com/news/4064428-please-dont-shoot-texas-daughters-pleaded-lives-being-killed-pro-gun-mother

Local news has to say the murderer was pro-gun despite that bit not being relevant at all

For shame....
#120789 to #120782 - theism
Reply 0
(06/29/2016) [-]
Lots of details are irrelevant, anytime they can fit a narrative, white, black, Christian, Muslim they'll do it.
#120850 to #120789 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
If a muslim kills because of his beliefs, it's not irrelevant.
#120874 to #120850 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
That's the solution we've tried for the past few decades. That's why ISIS exists. As long as the climate of terror persists people will flock to what they perceive as a solution.
#120877 to #120874 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
On the contrary. What I suggest is simply leaving the middle east alone, the opposite of what the US has been doing for the past decade. Let them sort their own issues out.
In the mean time, we do not support them with anything, be it military or with money. And we block all travelers from the region from entering the US.
#120879 to #120877 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
And when the situation escalates? The US is directly responsible for the current situation. Leaving the middle east alone is one of the worst courses of action.
#120880 to #120879 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
What do you mean with escalates?
#120882 to #120880 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
When ISIS grows larger and more powerful through demonizing the west, which you would set them up perfectly to do
#120884 to #120882 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Why should I worry? Anyone from the region won't be allowed entrance.
#120887 to #120884 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
So you think a sign will keep out terrorists?
#120888 to #120887 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
No. The the atlantic ocean will.
#120889 to #120888 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Because no one has ever snuck into a country before?
#120891 to #120889 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
How do you suggest they sneak in?
#120893 to #120891 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
It would be trivial to get into a European or Asian country we aren't embargoing. Next they create fake documentation to fool your system. Alternatively they don't even Immigrate, they come in on cargo ships or passenger flights.
#120894 to #120893 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
... right.
#120895 to #120894 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
So you don't actually have a solution to that?
#120896 to #120895 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
>dark fellow enters the US
>french passport
>"do you speak French?"
>"Si"
>contacts French authorities whether they have a citizen called Francois Muhammed Ali registred
>"non"
>unload on the motherfucker
>Trump saves the day yet again
#120897 to #120896 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
>Because they can't just learn French well enough to fool a TSA employee.
>Because they can't just use a real name in the system.
>Because the TSA will do a full background check on every person coming in in the time it takes them to leave the air port.
>Because they'll accosted every random brownish person entering the country.
#120898 to #120897 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
That sounds pretty extensive. Maybe one or two might slip in at some point, but otherwise immigration, TSA and intelligence agencies are pretty good at picking these sort of individuals up. ISIS members are not exactly smart you know.
#120899 to #120898 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
So your solution is to screen every person darker than an Italian? That'll go over great.
#120902 to #120899 - thumbfortrump
0
(06/30/2016) [-]
I agree.
#120851 to #120850 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Why does the motivation of a lone killer matter? Why does being muslim mean they killed because of Islam.
#120852 to #120851 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Being muslim doesn't mean they killed because of islam.
Saying they kill in the name of their religion however does matter. That's what I wrote.
#120853 to #120852 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Why does it matter? If there part of a broader organization that's important but if they acted alone what's important about it?
#120856 to #120853 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
It provides to statistics. If one single person in history killed because of a large faith, it wouldn't matter.

If many lone wolves kill because of a single belief, then there is an issue that needs to be addressed.
#120857 to #120856 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
What's the issue and how do you address it?
#120858 to #120857 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Islamic terrorism and extremism.

Through open debate not limited by political correctness. Also keeping out foreigners who do not comply with American values.
#120859 to #120858 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
What kind of debate? So establishing religious tests? How do we decide who complies with American values?
#120860 to #120859 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
Try using your head instead of asking simple questions. Debate about islam terrorism and extremism, in other words what to do about it.

I don't know what a religious test is. First of all you can look at the person's citizenship and if the person has spend a large amount of time in a region known to breed islamic extremists.

Simple. You can start by asking whether or not they respect the Constitution. Foreigners that the authorities deem suspicious will need a background check. And any who travel to the United States and speak against our Constitutional rights will be send back home and not allowed entrance back in again.
#120861 to #120860 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
So talk about it? You don't actually have a solution?

Religious tests are what the first ammendment forbids. So everyone from those regions is banned? What about doctors without borders volunteers? What about US troops? People fleeing terrorism?

So a yes/no question they can lie about? You mean the thing we already do? So no free speech for foreigners? That's ironic.
#120864 to #120861 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
I'm not going to bother answering your questions if all you're going to do is ask new ones. It seems never-ending.
#120865 to #120864 - theism
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
If you have a problem with being asked questions then maybe you should reexamine your worldview.
#120866 to #120865 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
You started by asking one. Then you asked three. And finally you asked nine questions.
If you had one question sure. But I'm not going to waste my time answering questions when the amount of new ones rises exponentially.
#120867 to #120866 - theism
Reply -1
(06/30/2016) [-]
Because as you answer them more and more problems with your reasoning come up. If you resolved these issues rather than raising more it would go differently.
#120868 to #120867 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
I disagree entirely. My reasoning is perfectly rational and straight-forward. You are looking problems where there are none.
For example, I've explicitly statedforeigners throughout the discussion, yet you ask about US troops. I don't think I need to explain why your question is redundant.
#120870 to #120868 - theism
Reply -1
(06/30/2016) [-]
Then what about people fleeing ISIS? Should they be trapped there to be recruited up by one militant group or another? When you take away someone's options terrorism looks quite attractive.

You don't seem very good at discussion. This board is kind of an echo chamber so that will do that to you.
#120871 to #120870 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(06/30/2016) [-]
It's kind of silly that you accuse my arguments of being poor after I proved your question was redundant. I wonder where this need of being rude comes from.

I don't care about people fleeing ISIS. They probably don't care about me, so I feel no obligation to care about them.
#120872 to #120871 - theism
Reply -1
(06/30/2016) [-]
Then you are responsible for when those people join ISIS. You talk about wanting to solve these problems but your solutions just make things worse.
#120873 to #120872 - thumbfortrump
+1
(06/30/2016) [-]
I'm not responsible for their own choices. My responsibility is neutralizing them if they pose a threat.
#120784 to #120782 - shekelnator
Reply 0
(06/29/2016) [-]
shills and kikes want to ban guns at any reason. so when their evil empire is in full control no one would face them :^)

stay armed man. great evil is approaching.
#120777 - pebar
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(06/29/2016) [-]
ISTANBUL -- When three terrorists encountered a stiff security checkpoint outside Ataturk airport on Tuesday, one of the attackers blew himself up as a distraction to give the other killers a chance to get inside the main terminal to inflict more casualties,Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said Wednesday.
#120751 - asotil
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Hold up, nobody is being paid to shill for Hillary Clinton.
Everyone needs to stop thinking people are being payed to shill for Hillary Clinton.
Listen, it is false to believe that people are being payed to shill for Hillary Clinton
People come on, it's 2016

Men keep trying to spin lies about her and some server news or old nonsense.
Everyone needs to just take a step back and look at the racist, sexist in the mirror
#120786 to #120751 - sixmillionjuice
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(06/29/2016) [-]
Wait you guys aren't getting paid in Nazi gold delivered by well dressed vampire wizards?
#120776 to #120751 - pebar
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#120762 to #120751 - anon
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Hillary is the one spinning an endless thread lies like a spider of untruth.
#120756 to #120751 - youregaylol
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for a site as small as fj i imagine there would only 3 shills, if they even cared at all
#120745 - sixmillionjuice
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#120752 to #120745 - marinepenguin
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Thought this was a joke, turns out it isn't.

I don't think the effort will be successful following the Brexit results, but the idea of a united Europe led by Brussels is terrifying to me.
#120787 to #120752 - redandgreen
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(06/29/2016) [-]
If true, it can be vetoed by a Member State or an opt-out negotiated.

It's an article from the Daily Express though which is one of the mad English tabloid papers so it's probably hugely exaggerated.
#120788 to #120787 - marinepenguin
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(06/29/2016) [-]
That's what I've been reading.
#120774 to #120752 - thumbfortrump
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source?
#120779 to #120774 - marinepenguin
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Source of the article anon posted?
Just google EU superstate and like a dozen articles pop up.
#120781 to #120779 - thumbfortrump
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(06/29/2016) [-]
All I can find is polish state TV throwing a hissy fit. Nothing of substance at all.
#120757 to #120752 - whoozy ONLINE
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(06/29/2016) [-]
How so
What's wrong with a united Europe?
#120758 to #120757 - marinepenguin
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There's nothing inherently wrong with a united Europe. But a politically unified nation under the EU would hardly be a united Europe in any means other than economically and politically.

I am 100% behind free trade between European nations, but I'm not behind a united Europe that's ruled over by an increasingly authoritarian government located in Brussels.

What's wrong with having these nations remain independent, and to allow them to pursue their own goals?
#120759 to #120758 - whoozy ONLINE
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I respond to your question in a similar way.
Nothing is inherently wrong with having a trade union between independent nations.

It's just that a single large country would be more efficient, more powerful and more stable. European values are under attack. I believe it's time to unite.

Besides this has been happening for thousands of years. Countries grow larger and we get increasingly globalised. Eventually I believe we should aim for a united humanity.
#120764 to #120759 - marinepenguin
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I don't disagree, and I used to believe very similarly.

Yes, the world is getting smaller and countries are becoming more similar and intertwined, but uniting politically I do not believe is the right way to go. Being unified under one banner does not guarantee stability, and not all European nations get along and especially wouldn't want to join a collective nation. Europe is far from being unified socially, especially as we see the rise of these movements to separate from the EU. A unified humanity doesn't have to be unified politically. The world has already become extremely unified economically, and is one reason we see very little war between major powers, as it simply isn't profitable.

Just like Pebar is, I am extremely suspicious of concentrated power, and as we see the EU try to come out as a more political unifying power of Europe and have similar movements in North America even, I begin to worry.

Again, I completely support the idea of a unified humanity, and I agree that it will become inevitable as we expand beyond our own planet, but I do not believe nor support the idea that that unification needs to exist on a political level.
#120765 to #120764 - whoozy ONLINE
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What is it that you fear with a political unification? As long as democratic values are preserved I see no problem. I realise that a lot of nations desire independence and like Britain they would be free to leave. A lot of Europe is already very unified politically. Not completely, but with clise similarities. The economic union has been great for peace as you said. With a political union the risk of war is even smaller.

Let's take America as an example then. Would yoy rather stay united or would you like each state to separate and be independent?

Here I disagree. Unification has to happen on a political level. If not we're not unified at all. We're trading partners held together only by profit. This is more scary to me.
#120768 to #120765 - marinepenguin
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And continued trade and interaction between different people creates unity and mutual respect. Trade creates more than just profit, it creates relationships. Alliances and trade routes usually go hand in hand.
#120767 to #120765 - marinepenguin
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A single world government would ultimately have absolute power, democratic values would slowly be eroded as they always are in the presence of such entities. The EU was regulating everything from the curvature of bananas to British tea kettles, that's the amount of micromanagement into our lives we'd he dealing with on a global scale. I do not believe that a one world government can coexist with the values of protecting the rights of the individual.

A politically united world is not inherently safer than one that's unified through trade, countries who are forced to unify that do not wish to would see more conflict than if they were simply allowed to exist separately yet trade with one another freely. You see this within successful separatist movements all across the globe.

As for the United States, I do no wish for 50 separate entities entirely, but I do wish for 50 independent States loosely held together by a federal government and constitution as first intended by the founding fathers, who felt similarly about concentrated power. This would distribute the power more broadly to the states and allow them to solve their own issues more easily. Government and beauracracy is inherently more inefficient and ineffective the larger and more cumbersome it gets, smaller and localized governments would be more effective in terms of cost and time at combating their personalized issues.
#120769 to #120767 - whoozy ONLINE
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(06/29/2016) [-]
In theory the government wouldn't actually have all power. They are elected to implement the will of the people. I don't know why you insist that democratic values would be eraded. What do you believe is the limit on a unification then? How large can a country be before it has to stop?
I believe it can protects the rights of the individual much more than what we're seeing today. It would grant us the power to protect the most sentral European values.

I'm not saying that two countries automatically becomes more stable when unified. I'm just saying that on a big scale it will be. As long as countries are allowed to choose their membership. Their wouldn't have to be separatist rebellions. States could just elect to leave as we saw with Britain.

I wish for something very similar. I just want states to be dependant until they choose to leave. Unlike you though I don't view the founding fathers opinions of a state as an eternal solution. I'm not American after all. Smaller and localized governments can be more sufficient at solving inner feuds, but it is so slow and bureaucratic when issues arise between states. I think it's better to centralise power when it comes to our most important values. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, democracy etc. The smaller stuff each state can sort out on it's own.
#120771 to #120769 - marinepenguin
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As for if a state will be necessary in some form forever, that's hard to say. I'd say in a perfect world, I hope it isn't. But I fear that we will always need some form of government or institution to exist as a civilization, due to human nature and society.
#120770 to #120769 - marinepenguin
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In theory every political system works perfectly as it should, theory is not reality. A democratically elected government is not infallible to corruption or tyranny. A democratically elected dictator is still ultimately a dictator.

And those are complicated questions that I don't have answers to, it all depends on the will of people and how closely they identify with one another. But ultimately globalization and free trade will bring people together.

And you cannot have freedom of an individual and a powerful government, the two oppose each other by definition. A state is only given powers afforded to it by its populace, the stronger the state, the less free the people. That is just fact.

And I completely disagree that a centralized power should uphold our rights and freedoms as individuals, that sounds like an oxymoron to me. It is up to each person to secure and promote these rights themselves. A culture is only as strong as the collection of individuals that comprise it.
#120772 to #120770 - whoozy ONLINE
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True. I just don't get why you insist that a big goverment would be corrupted. Removing the key central values that holds the union apart would be self destructive for the government.

Political union is a part of this, but we can disagree on this.

The government need to be powerful in order to maintain control. That's why it's the government. Just look at how powerful your own government is. Power remains in numbers i.e. the people. If nobody supports the government it falls. I don't want the state to have any more power than it does today. Power would still be divided. I'm not talking about a chinese government here.

They protect them. This already is the standard today. If you're attacked police should protect you. If someone steals something from you, the government needs to make sure the thief pays for the damages. We can't have a big wild west where the law is in every individuals hands. That's anarchy.
#120773 to #120772 - marinepenguin
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It's very simple. I think we can agree that power corrupts, and that the greater the degree of power, the greater the level of corruption. So with that assumption we can accurately state that the larger and more powerful a government is, the greater the scope of corruption and chance for tyranny to exist. That's why dictatorship are usually viewed as bad, because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Look throughout history and you'll see that the number of bad kings and single rulers who abused power vastly outnumber the ones who did good and pursued moral objectives.

When I say that these ideals shouldn't be enforced by the state, I'm not saying that there should be no laws. I'm saying that if the overall society accepts these ideals as facts of their lives, then the government will follow suit if it accurately represents them. There will be no need to legislate ideals if society already does on its own. When a government becomes too powerful to where it can then influence society instead of vice versa, that's when we get into dangerous territory.

I don't like how powerful my own government has gotten. My greatest fear is that my children or their children will have to fight for their rights like previous generations have. Liberty is no more than a generation away from being extinguished at any time, just because we live in a peaceful democratic era doesn't mean it will last forever. We could very well become China someday.

A strong government is never necessary foe the existence of society. A police force isn't a form of strong government, nor is upholding law.
#120775 to #120773 - whoozy ONLINE
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Power corrupts indeed, but this isn't an individual getting a huge amount of power like a dictator. We're talking about an elected government. With a big government power gets divided on more people. There is no absolute upper leader that can get what he wants without the support of the people.

Of course there is need to legislate these ideals. When someone is accused of breaking them he needs to get a proper trial, not a lynch mob. The government is an important part of every society. Not some evil overlord. You put people in charge with your vote just like you put coorperations in positions of power with your money. Some overarching power has to exist in order for a society to exist. Without a government society dissolves.

You seem so paranoid about the government, yet so trustworthy of the individual. The government is nothing more than a collection of individuals elected by individuals. It must be strong enough to protect the country from attackers, it must be strong enough to protect peoples rights from criminals and it must be strong enough to keep the country united.



#120778 to #120775 - marinepenguin
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Yes, that's a good reason why democracy has worked so well for us. But to assume that a democracy or representative government cannot become corrupt in equal amount given time is false. Electorates do not act in their own interests, they act within interest of party lines, which DO have leaders and upper officials who have sway over them.

We can keep going back and forth over all this.

The difference between us is that I have a distrust of government and power. I wouldn't go far to say I'm paranoid, because that implies my concerns are unwarranted or unsubstantiated, when there have been more tyrannical governments than not, and in the 20th century alone 150 million people were killed by their own leaders who only a generation or two before were fairly stable nations. And I think our policies should reflect suspicion of concentrated power.

So to conclude our discussion, we agree that globalization and the unity of humanity is going to he inevitable to a degree, we just disagree on what the role of government should be in this changing world society.
#120780 to #120778 - whoozy ONLINE
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Very well
#120766 to #120765 - whoozy ONLINE
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(06/29/2016) [-]
close similarities*
#120753 to #120752 - anon
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(06/29/2016) [-]
I look forward to the Nexit.
#120760 to #120753 - anon
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(06/29/2016) [-]
Fr.E.U.! Freedom from E.U.!
#120755 to #120753 - marinepenguin
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(06/29/2016) [-]
EU pls go
#120741 - lotengo
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Congratulations, you have reached tipping lvl 75 you can now wear the dragon fedora. How Not To Defend Atheism

Who here agrees with me that full blown atheism is worse than Christianity?
#120790 to #120741 - theism
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(06/29/2016) [-]
You really want to get into a pissing match about this? Because the Christian version is at least as ugly.
#120796 to #120790 - youregaylol
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(06/30/2016) [-]
" is at least as ugly"

do you enjoy being wrong all the time

is that your fetish
#120823 to #120796 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
So then your instinctual reaction is to take the role of the bully. Why?
#120824 to #120823 - youregaylol
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It's not bullying to smack down vocal dummies. If anything I'm helping you, these beatings make you more humble and less likely to be the abrasive douche you were when you arrived here. I've trained you.
#120825 to #120824 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
So you think it's bad to be an abrasive douchebag? Why do you actively the way you do?
#120826 to #120825 - youregaylol
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(06/30/2016) [-]
I actively the way that I do to quiet down abrasive douches.

I only roast those who deserve it.
#120827 to #120826 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
Apparently a lot of people are abrasive douchebag.

Although when your criteria is "person with different opinions" that will happen.
#120829 to #120827 - youregaylol
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(06/30/2016) [-]
Yes actually, a lot of people are. You're not even unique in that.

This is like your 10th comments since your "last" comment btw.

#120830 to #120829 - theism
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You said something that intrigued me.
#120831 to #120830 - youregaylol
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I bet no one has ever said those words to you before.
#120832 to #120831 - theism
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How clever.
#120833 to #120832 - youregaylol
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That too.
#120834 to #120833 - theism
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How did I know you were going to say that?
#120835 to #120834 - youregaylol
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They could dedicate an entire field of research to how you know anything, the fact that you can formulate sentences while being as stupid as you are is unnatural.
#120836 to #120835 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
Back to this? Do you have a flowchart?
#120837 to #120836 - youregaylol
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Yes, it says to call you stupid after you say something stupid. A small chart, but it works well enough for you.
#120797 to #120796 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
You've obviously never seen an abortion protest. Or your personal convictions blind you to reality.
#120799 to #120797 - youregaylol
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(06/30/2016) [-]
We're not talking about abortion protesters on general, we're talking about these two people. Your triggering has obviously skewed your vision. No doubt a landwhale screaming about black rights gives your chode a tingle.
#120801 to #120799 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
The Christian version of what the man's doing dingus. Try to think before you post.
#120803 to #120801 - youregaylol
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At least they can meet the dress code of a gas station.
#120804 to #120803 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
What exactly does that have to do with anything?
#120806 to #120804 - youregaylol
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Regressive can't even dress like human beings, they're literally just regressed humans.
#120808 to #120806 - theism
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Ah, you thought I meant physical appearance. Of course you did.
#120810 to #120808 - youregaylol
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No, I brought up physical appearance. I was making a joke about how your kind look like nude malformed pudding bags.
#120811 to #120810 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
Yes, those are the terms you think in. Anyways unless you have something productive or interesting to say I think I'll cut this conversation short as well.
#120812 to #120811 - youregaylol
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(06/30/2016) [-]
Granted they may not be as flashy as the terms you think of, how can i beat "oppression", "offensive", and "black dong".

You are free of your spanking for today, think about what you did wrong.
#120814 to #120812 - theism
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(06/30/2016) [-]
It's funny you think we have a rapport.
#120815 to #120814 - youregaylol
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(06/30/2016) [-]
I wouldn't say that, a rapport would imply we're equals.

I prefer to think of this as poking a babies soft spot, over and over again.
#120816 to #120815 - theism
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I imagine you are the sort of person who'd poke around babies soft spot to feel above something.
#120817 to #120816 - youregaylol
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(06/30/2016) [-]
I imagine you are the sort of person who got his soft spot poked in.
#120818 to #120817 - theism
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It's a funny thing when your choice of insults says more about you than the other person.
#120819 to #120818 - youregaylol
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It's a funnier thing when a person can't come up with any insults at all.
#120820 to #120819 - theism
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You regularly compare yourself to a bully, acting like your picking on someone weaker than you. Is that something you aspire to be? Is that who you are? It's an odd choice of role models, bullies are often worse off than their victims. Do you honestly see yourself as lower than a bully?
#120822 to #120820 - youregaylol
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I don't see myself as a bully, I just see you as a nerd without the brains.
#120785 to #120741 - shekelnator
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(06/29/2016) [-]
atheist feminist jew
#120747 to #120741 - thumbfortrump
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(06/29/2016) [-]
Both things are cringe.
#120746 to #120741 - sixmillionjuice
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(06/29/2016) [-]
All forms of non-catholic belief are dangerous to society. Even the forms of non-catholic belief found within the church.
#120754 to #120746 - anon
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(06/29/2016) [-]
You're not doing nazism right.
#120748 to #120746 - thumbfortrump
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(06/29/2016) [-]
You probably like little anime girls like that other stormfag.
#120749 to #120748 - sixmillionjuice
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(06/29/2016) [-]
Fuck you faggot. The future of animation belongs to the French.
#120750 to #120749 - thumbfortrump
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(06/29/2016) [-]
Just admit it fag.
#120742 to #120741 - marinepenguin
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(06/29/2016) [-]
I hate being an atheist because of these sorts of people. There's such an air of superiority among the atheist intellectuals, who the majority consider themselves progressive.

Being a conservative atheist is almost on par with being a black conservative.
#120743 to #120742 - lotengo
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(06/29/2016) [-]
Are you sure ya aren't just an agnost?
#120744 to #120743 - marinepenguin
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(06/29/2016) [-]
I'm an agnostic atheist. There's Gnosticism and agnosticism on one spectrum, and then atheism and theism on another.

So basically I don't believe in a god, but I don't say that there can't be one.