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#78488 - pebar
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(02/22/2015) [-]
www.inforum.com/letters/3684153-letter-my-choice-vaccines-informed

Anti-vaccine person writing to the local paper in response to criticism
#78529 to #78488 - mixednuts
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(02/23/2015) [-]
Have you ever heard of the raw food movement?

In short, they essentially advocate eating food raw instead of cooking it, even meats. The common belief is basically that cooking robs the foods of essential proteins. They also don't tend to be unfond of pasteurized milk for many of the same reasons. This obviously greatly increases their risk of contracting dangerous foodborne illnesses. Of course, there are those that try to raise their kids on raw food diets.

I have no authority as a nutritionist, but let's say I serve my son raw steak and unpasteurized milk every night for dinner. I tell him it's what's best for him, and he doesn't question his father. Should no one else do anything about this?
#78531 to #78529 - pebar
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(02/23/2015) [-]
It's true that heat denatures proteins, but then again, so does the acid in your stomach. What's important are the amino acids, not the complete proteins. But not including meat, there are certain food preparations that to remove nutrients, such as boiling veggies. This is why you'll hear that steaming is better way of cooking.

I do think there is a bit if a difference here though. With raw meat, you're directly exposing your son to the harmful bacteria. By not vaccinating, you're simply increasing the risk. And since most people are already vaccinated, the herd immunity still makes that risk relatively small, at least compared to eating raw meat.
#78532 to #78531 - compared
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(02/23/2015) [-]
Thanks for using a comparison, hope you are well.
#78533 to #78532 - pebar
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(02/23/2015) [-]
Comment Picture
#78534 to #78533 - compared
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(02/23/2015) [-]
#78495 to #78488 - Shiny
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
I wish I saw these people for real and had the mettle to handle my own inoculations, just so I could stare them in the eye in public while shooting up with my flu shot.
#78506 to #78495 - cabbagemayhem
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(02/23/2015) [-]
If you read it, you would know that wouldn't bother them at all. They don't want people telling them what to do with their life, so they would have no problem not telling you what to do with yours.
#78527 to #78506 - Shiny
Reply 0
(02/23/2015) [-]
Except people not vaccinating does impact others. It fucks over people with serious medical conditions that prevent them from getting vaccinated. There are so, so many things that these people could choose to do that don't harm others, yet they opt for this because they're either paranoid, willfully ignorant or want to feel special and independent.

It's like if a man burns his own house to the ground that only he owns, and causes fire to spread to nearby houses in the neighborhood, then tries to ban the fire department for infringing on his civil liberties,
#78563 to #78527 - cabbagemayhem
Reply 0
(02/24/2015) [-]
No, that's not why people are against it at all. It has to do with fundamental freedom. Most of us still vaccinate, but we're not going to force someone else to if they don't want to. I'm not going to permanently sacrifice the freedom of millions of people on the chance it might save a handful of exceptions.
#78587 to #78563 - Shiny
Reply 0
(02/25/2015) [-]
Infecting the involuntarily unvaccinated with a contagious disease because you chose not to get vaccinated is using force against them. You are literally harming them by your own volition.

If you really want absolute freedom, I'm game, but be ready for a bullet to the head if you give my kid measles.
#78603 to #78587 - cabbagemayhem
Reply 0
(02/25/2015) [-]
No, that's not what force is at all.
#78614 to #78603 - Shiny
Reply 0
(02/25/2015) [-]
So at what point does a person's actions have repercussions for others? I care about pragmatism, not feelings.
#78662 to #78614 - cabbagemayhem
Reply 0
(02/26/2015) [-]
Me too, but here are some examples of when a person's actions have repercussions:

1. When you intentionally give someone a disease.
2. When you inject someone with a substance for their own good, or "for the greater good".
3. When you shoot someone for giving you measles.

If vaccines work so well, your kid should be fine. The truth is, they don't. You can actually contract and spread diseases from vaccines, or they can simply fail to immunize. That doesn't matter though. Good ends cannot be achieved through bad means. When we start telling other people in society how to live their lives, people will start telling us how to live ours.
#78546 to #78527 - anon
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(02/24/2015) [-]
>"omfg its immoral for the gov to require welfare recipients to have drug tests"
>"omfg i cant believe we're not forcing people to get vaccinated"

Literally everyone on this board who matters knows you're retarded, please kill yourself.
#78547 to #78546 - Shiny
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(02/24/2015) [-]
#78548 to #78547 - anon
Reply 0
(02/24/2015) [-]
>gets called out on obvious hypocrisy
>"waaaaaahhhh dis is circlejerk waaaaaaahhh"

why dont you go back to tumblr you autistic crybaby
#78549 to #78548 - Shiny
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(02/24/2015) [-]
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#78493 to #78488 - kanadetenshi
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(02/22/2015) [-]
Not really comfortable by the state forcing people to do things but this guy is delusional beyond believe and deserved to be called a child abuser.

Not only does he not understand basic herd immunity (unvaccinated child becomes host for the viruses which then develop immunity to the surrounding vaccines) But he then goes on to rambling about discredited anti-vaxxer BS used to justify his selfish child neglect.
#78509 to #78490 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/23/2015) [-]
"What happened was North Dakota House Republicans found out their opening invocation on Wednesday was going to be delivered by Nadim Koleilat, president of the Bismarck Muslim Community Center, and they canceled his appearance"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
#78489 to #78488 - tredbear
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
haha, what a bitch
#78485 - anon
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(02/22/2015) [-]
#78483 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
reason.com/blog/2015/02/22/prosecutors-not-enough-evidence-cops-who

Watch how nobody will organize a mass national protest or make a white lives matter hashtag for this.
#78487 to #78483 - anon
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(02/22/2015) [-]
Does black people talking about things just make your blood boil?

Because it sounds like when you saw this your first thought wasn't "Wow, this is pretty fucked up. Maybe there's a problem with how the police department is run." but instead you thought "cool now I can saythat #blacklivesmatterisdumb"

For someone who uses "statist" as a snarl word, you really don't seem to care much about police overreach.
#78492 to #78487 - kanadetenshi
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(02/22/2015) [-]
Not my fault progressive statists only dislike police brutality when it suits them. Maybe you should try not being an obsessive crybaby over every logical thing i say.
#78511 to #78492 - anon
Reply 0
(02/23/2015) [-]
Whoa, you almost forgot to throw some "Keynesian" in that word salad, bud.
#78502 to #78492 - anon
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
20 bucks that at least one of these anons is Shiny
#78486 to #78483 - anon
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
Watch as nobody will take it upon themselves to think of the issue of police brutality because of this, and instead will use this as a trumpcard whenever they get in an argument with those annoying libruls.
#78475 - pebar
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(02/22/2015) [-]
www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2015/02/22/obama-jeh-johnson-the-mall-of-america-sunday-show/23839253/

This kind of shit does more to instill fear than a terrorist ever could.
#78477 to #78475 - schnizel
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(02/22/2015) [-]
>LOOK AT VIDYA
>OVERLORD 9.11$
>9/11 CONFIRMED FOR VIDYA11
#78474 - lulzformalaysiaair
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
www.msnbc.com/now/watch/nc-senator-rules-legislative-roost-for-a-day-401566275884

The concept of a budget... it just doesn't exist to these people. They think they can just magically invest in everything, how, how could you be this stupid.
#78470 - schnizel
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(02/22/2015) [-]
Pebar, can the free market fix a broken heart?
#78472 to #78471 - schnizel
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(02/22/2015) [-]
10/10
But no need, I have a gf and I don't want to get an STD.
#78465 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
This politician screams "Le reddit liberal"

funnyjunk.com/When+you+are+the+only+senator/funny-pictures/5461720/
#78473 to #78465 - lulzformalaysiaair
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
How the fuck did that get into the front page. That is pretty worrisome.
#78466 to #78465 - anon
Reply +1
(02/22/2015) [-]
So have you ever experienced pure unrestrained capitalism?

You talk a pretty big game for someone who grew up and continues to live in the Dutch welfare state.

Have you considered moving to a more free-market country, like Hong Kong, Singapore, or the United States?
#78467 to #78466 - kanadetenshi
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(02/22/2015) [-]
>United States
>Free market

Yeah you're not even worth a response.
#78468 to #78467 - anon
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(02/22/2015) [-]
#78464 - mixednuts
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31567126

US considers new sanctions on Russia.
I'm really curious what we haven't sanctioned at this point.

Is a full-on embargo completely out of the question?
#78462 - anon
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(02/22/2015) [-]
#78512 to #78462 - feelythefeel
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(02/23/2015) [-]
I need feminism because
"I have diplomatic immunity"
is all I should have to explain about the corpse I was caught playing with.
#78469 to #78462 - pebar
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(02/22/2015) [-]
#78458 - anon
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
Are we going to have to confront ISIS on the ground if we ever want to actually contain them?

America's strategy of just bombing the crap out of everything doesn't seem to be working.
#78463 to #78458 - radiserne
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(02/22/2015) [-]
It's actually working quite well.
#78459 to #78458 - lulzformalaysiaair
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
Uhh actually it's working pretty well, let the Iraqis fight over stupid muslim texts. And America isn't the only one bombing.
#78439 - victorytoaster
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
2016 now is only a year away, who do you think will be the next president. In my opinion Hilary has already killed her run for pres after this new incident of taking money from foreign governments, so for the DOJ it'll come down to Biden or Warren. for the GOP ( I hope) comes down to Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.
#78457 to #78439 - anon
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
The comedian's dream.

Biden vs Perry.
#78453 to #78439 - kanadetenshi
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Clinton and Biden seem the biggest Democrat candidates, like Pebar said Warren isn't running. Bernie Sanders also seems to have a pretty big following but he's kinda the left-wing Ron Paul, popular as a niché but no chance in the mainstream due to being too different from the mainstream parties.

As for Republicans, i think it'll be between Bush, Carson and Paul. Jeb Bush has been leading the polls so far and seems to be the token GOP establishment like Mitt Romney. Rand Paul has been getting much more mainstream attention than his father and he seems like a perfect republican/libertarian dual nomination, though his contrarian stances may cause trouble with funding.
#78455 to #78453 - anon
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(02/21/2015) [-]
The Dems really should find someone else. It's already apparent that there are a lot of people bitterly opposed to Hillary, that campaign would be hell. And Biden's just a gaffe machine.
#78456 to #78455 - kanadetenshi
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Who else do you think would be suitable? Only other person i would think could have potential would be Cory Booker.
#78442 to #78439 - marinepenguin
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
Regardless of Hillarys many issues as a politician, I still believe she's going to be the next president.

We wanted a black man for president so we got one, I won't be surprised if we elect her because she's a woman. I'll be surprised if we learn from our previous mistakes and don't elect someone based upon their sex or race.
#78443 to #78442 - akkere
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Difference between Hillary and Obama though is he was a relatively fresh politician in terms of the national spotlight. There wasn't a whole lot to really remark him on, and he was able to drive up a good deal of momentum with his charisma that was exceptional even for a politician. "Yes we can" and all that nonsense.

Hillary's got a lot, and I do mean a lot, of baggage to answer for in her campaign. She's got the charismatic energy of a dead fish compared to Obama in '08, so that won't exactly be going well for her either. The easiest possible victory for the Republicans would probably be Condoleeza Rice at the header, who'd have both the black vote and women vote (in terms of people who only vote for these two characteristics exclusively). She hasn't really been doing anything that great, so it's not going to be a walk in the park for her either way, but the same could be suggested for her opponents as well.
#78449 to #78443 - marinepenguin
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(02/21/2015) [-]
I understand all that. I just know many older women who love her and will vote for her in a heartbeat because they think she's the face of the modern woman and equality between sexes. Plus she has a lot of the more liberal population in her back pocket. I just think that she has a bit of a head start in terms of her support base. She's been in politics a long time and is either loved, or extremely hated.
#78450 to #78449 - akkere
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(02/21/2015) [-]
True, but I always figured the polarity that she brings makes it impossible for her to be approachable by moderates, the same to be argued for good number of Republican presidential potentials, of course. I've never really seen a huge following of her among the young voters that weren't set to already be liberal anyway, and I'm not sure if she'd be able to suck in voters like Barack was able to.
The polarity makes it very difficult give a true estimation, and that's why I don't think I could personally be 100% sure if Hillary would have the POTUS or somebody else, and it'd all depend on who becomes the Republican nominee, and what they build as a base to achieve it.
#78451 to #78450 - marinepenguin
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(02/21/2015) [-]
I agree. The sole reason Obama won is because he was young and a good speaker, who managed to completely win over the younger voters. Record turnout if I remember correctly. Hell, I was rooting for him in 08.

In my opinion if Hillary isn't the Democratic candidate, the Republicans will win.

If only we could have a candidate that isn't between the two radical parties that has a solid chance of winning. A two party system doesn't usually succeed for a long time.
#78452 to #78451 - akkere
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Agreed, Hillary, for all the holes and rot in her political record, is also the one who has the most publicity out of all the Democrats. They didn't bother sprouting any other politicians (or perhaps, the politicians themselves didn't want to outshine Hillary for whatever reason) so she's the most majorly known face, for better or for worse.
The only other well-known personality is Biden, who hasn't really shown much of a personality himself in the recent years except for having a rather crude personality.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_candidates,_2016
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_candidates,_2016
This kind of shows a strong difference between the two parties in term of politician drive for the presidency, interestingly enough.
#78454 to #78452 - kanadetenshi
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Hahahahaha i love how out of the three candidates who formally announced their candidacy are a conspiracy theorist and Vermin Supreme.
#78476 to #78454 - akkere
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
By the same token, the Republicans have a prohibitionist on the formal announcement of candidacy.
#78478 to #78476 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
They're all prohibitionists though, they just switched from alcohol to other forms of drugs.
#78479 to #78478 - akkere
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(02/22/2015) [-]
Yeah, but this guy's just straight, good ol' fashioned "these lips ain't touching booze". I didn't even think the Prohibition party still existed after the repeal of the Prohibition Amendment, as like you said most of general attitude towards any kind of drug or narcotic switched away from booze and onto everything else (at least, unless it wasn't produced by a pharmaceutical company).
#78480 to #78479 - kanadetenshi
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(02/22/2015) [-]
Yeah i'm amazed that the prohibition party still exists, persistent fuckers. Though they have pretty much zero chance.
#78481 to #78480 - akkere
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
But they'll keep trying.
I find the Jeff Boss guy though to be the funniest of the whole bunch. His party for the elections here in New Jersey just straight up popped up as "NSA did 9/11". I thought the whole thing was a joke because of how screwed up this election and the previous town elections were, and then I look up the guy and... well...
www.jeffbossforpresident.org/
#78482 to #78481 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
O-Oh God. This guy has to be the worst of the worst lol. Are there other nutcases like this genuinely trying to get into office?
#78484 to #78482 - akkere
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
Not with this guy's persistence, at least not yet. Most nutcases reserve themselves to blogs and neurotic comments on various news sites. Though I wouldn't doubt there are a good deal of politicians who can put on a pretty face but are quite insane on the inside, or at least maniacal.

Oh, and don't forget to get some Olive Leaf and "vitamen" C in your diet to protect you from ebola.
www.jeffbossforpresident.org/id51.html
#78444 to #78443 - compared
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Thanks for using a comparison, hope you are well.
#78445 to #78444 - akkere
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
That comment was less than 30 seconds old when you made that.
Do you just log into that account and wait for a mention to pop up before you jump in and copy/paste that? How long do you even do that?
#78446 to #78445 - compared
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(02/21/2015) [-]
That one just happened to pop up when I was looking at my notifications anyway. And I don't copy and paste it I type it each time.
#78447 to #78446 - akkere
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
Damn, that's uhh... quite the dedication I guess.
#78448 to #78447 - compared
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
Yeah I guess so.
#78440 to #78439 - pebar
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Warren already announced that she won't be running

and Clinton is still the frontrunner for democrats as far as I know, according to polls
#78438 - radiserne
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Russia stronk
#78435 - anon
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(02/21/2015) [-]
[url deleted]

lel
#78436 to #78435 - anon
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
http://gothamist. com/2015/02/20/statenislandvandal.php

fuq
#78460 to #78436 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/22/2015) [-]
Just make an account.
#78433 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
Isn't cultural appropriation just another form of racial segregation?
#78437 to #78433 - anon
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(02/21/2015) [-]
It's just a way to make cultural diffusion sound like a bad thing.
#78428 - anon
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Why do Jewish people do these things?
#78416 - dehumanizer
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Le foq Canada, wtf....

i did that politics test and i got gommi 85% libtards 84% am i beeing trolled here?
#78418 to #78416 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/21/2015) [-]
It's hard to side with any of these Good Goyim parties since they are all so similar.

We need an overhaul of the Canadian political landscape. Big time, but until that happens we need to vote conservative.
#78420 to #78418 - dehumanizer
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(02/21/2015) [-]
no, omar is right, we need islamic gommunism x-DDD
www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XoD6RjkjY
#78417 to #78416 - lulzformalaysiaair
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAH
haha
ha
#78419 to #78417 - dehumanizer
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
I just dont get how it could happen, are the canadian parties this fucked up that the gommies and libtards are the good guys?
#78421 to #78419 - lulzformalaysiaair
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
>gets commies and libs
>assumes they are best

Dumb logic there.
#78422 to #78421 - dehumanizer
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(02/21/2015) [-]
you guys need a nat soc party preferably one not led by the Iroquois
#78423 to #78422 - lulzformalaysiaair
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
uhhh no
#78424 to #78423 - dehumanizer
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
they're coming for you
#78414 - levvy
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(02/21/2015) [-]
komorowski, poroshenko, and grybauskaite will cause only more problems in ukraine

with the new alliance they form, one polish or lithuanian solider will get killed and the eu will explode with butthurt

just wait
#78555 to #78414 - duudegladiator
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(02/24/2015) [-]
Meanwhile as the false flag of Neverussia is flown in FJ.
Meanwhile as the false flag of Neverussia is flown in FJ.
#78408 - anon
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
US Border Patrol Break In Driver Window Cam, Pine Valley, California, 31 May 2013, Lawless DHS

Anyone else support our brave men and women of the border guard harrasment leauge?

Showing those neo-nazi getapo guards who is boss.
#78406 - Shiny
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Syzria is rustling a lot of German and EU (i.e. german) jimmies, which is really funny. Tsipras also seems to be doing a great job of fostering political stability in Greece by compromising with the right wing parties.

#78461 to #78406 - lulzformalaysiaair
Reply 0
(02/22/2015) [-]
Never answered my question, are you pro-syriza?
#78434 to #78406 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(02/21/2015) [-]
Austerity or not a default is inevitable.
#78411 to #78406 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Are you... are you pro syriza?

Honestly greece and the rest of the EU owns so much money to Germany. So much that based on the cycle they have now they will never pay it back. It's complete bullshit that Greece is trying to get it's debt cut in half. Personally Greece should either keep paying on time no matter how much it suffers (they have a very relaxed culture in Greece compared to the hard working ethic of Germany anyways. Not even trying to be racist, it's just the truth) or they should be repossessed and given to Germany. I don't know how, I don't care how, Greece has proved to be a very inexperienced country that can't handle itself. If Germany even invades so be it.
#78496 to #78411 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE
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(02/22/2015) [-]
Before Syriza and Tsipras, they were doing whatever the EU and the IMF told them to. I'm all for paying the debt, but it should be paid by those who really created it.
#78498 to #78496 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/22/2015) [-]
>Before Syriza and Tsipras, they were doing whatever the EU and the IMF told them to.
They fucking better do what Germany says, Germany owns their fucking ass. I could not give a flying shit of what happens to Greece, all I know is that filthy socialist shithole needs to pay the debt it made for itself.

"I'm all for paying the debt, but it should be paid by those who really created it."
Greece.
#78499 to #78498 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE
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(02/22/2015) [-]
They did that and it didn't work out. Germany doesn't seem willing to have its debt paid and now they missed their chance to rule Greece. They should've really helped Greece so that it could afford to pay back rather than implementing policies that made a downward spiral into failure for Greece.

Countries are not conscious being, they don't ask for money, people do. Let the greeks who received the money pay the debt.
#78503 to #78499 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/23/2015) [-]
>They should've really helped Greece so that it could afford to pay back
By giving them even more leeway with money? Isn't that just the common day excuse of every entity that can't pay its debt?

"Let the greeks who received the money pay the debt."
You mean the Greek people? The money goes to the government, I have no clue wtf you're referring too.
#78504 to #78503 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE
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(02/23/2015) [-]
"By giving them even more leeway with money? Isn't that just the common day excuse of every entity that can't pay its debt?"
By not implementing the typical shit policies that have been shown not to work.

"You mean the Greek people? The money goes to the government, I have no clue wtf you're referring too."
The money went to the government, the government gave it away to itself and its friends, Greece had not improved or benefitted with that money.
#78505 to #78504 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/23/2015) [-]
>The money went to the government, the government gave it away to itself and its friends, Greece had not improved or benefitted with that money.
If so, sucks for Greece then. Not Germany's problem. What you get with such a socialist government.

>By not implementing the typical shit policies that have been shown not to work.
Which R?
#78507 to #78505 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE
Reply 0
(02/23/2015) [-]
What? Syriza got elected just a few days ago...

Austerity measures.
#78508 to #78507 - lulzformalaysiaair
Reply 0
(02/23/2015) [-]
They still had a pretty socialist government I'm sure

>Austerity measures.
So what exactly is wrong with that?
#78510 to #78508 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE
Reply 0
(02/23/2015) [-]
The former prime minister was a liberal conservative. The other two before that one were independent, one of them was also vice-president of the European Central Bank so at least one of them was probably not a leftist. A socialist-ish president came before those.

Cuts might seem like saving money but it can in reality stagnate the economy besides creating worse living conditions, which is what we're seeing. It only works in very short term.
#78513 to #78510 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/23/2015) [-]
>The former prime minister was a liberal conservative. The other two before that one were independent, one of them was also vice-president of the European Central Bank so at least one of them was probably not a leftist. A socialist-ish president came before those.

Well they didn't change the government enough so I consider them that.

>Cuts might seem like saving money but it can in reality stagnate the economy besides creating worse living conditions, which is what we're seeing. It only works in very short term.
Can't pay because don't have enough money, can't add money because bad. Well a solution must exist. Paying is the priority.
#78520 to #78513 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE
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(02/23/2015) [-]
I say they're totally cappies, but fine.

Create policies that generate money. Then you can start paying. Austerity stifles the possibility of creating such a policy, leaving Greece with a debt having ever higher interest rates. Greece would be economically raped into the third world and the debt never paid back completely.
#78501 to #78499 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE
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(02/22/2015) [-]
No debt was created for the benefit of the greek people.
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#78412 to #78411 - compared
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Thanks for using a comparison, hope you are well.
#78407 to #78406 - anon
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(02/21/2015) [-]
and here we have a pathetic attempt to make a retarded leftist party internet cool.

"le rustle le jimbobs"

kill yourself you degenerate waste nobody here wants your opinions

inb4 circlejerk, you're just cancer
#78413 to #78407 - lulzformalaysiaair
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Eyy come on man that's harsh.
#78410 to #78407 - Shiny
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#78425 to #78410 - anon
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(02/21/2015) [-]
>"inb4 circlejerk"
>whines about circlejerk

oh you predictable retard you
#78409 to #78407 - anon
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(02/21/2015) [-]
Just let it out young man, just let it out.


*pats the young anon on the shoulder*
#78403 - ribocoon
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(02/21/2015) [-]
The government is putting preservatives in tin foil, that when exposed to hair follicles can alter our brain chemistry

Are we living in a new world order?