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#127959 - youregaylol
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(09/27/2016) [-]
A quick analysis of the debate reveals

Lester brought up Trump taxes/interrupts bringing up IRS.

Lester never brought up the emails. Trump did, and he then gave Hillary a chance to respond.

He then hit Trump on stop and frisk, the Iraq question, the birther bullshit, supposedly attacking Shillaries looks.

He never hit Hillary once. Read the transcript.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/26/the-first-trump-clinton-presidential-debate-transcript-annotated/

Does anyone want to make the case that this was a fair division of hard hitting questions?
#127966 to #127959 - anon
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(09/27/2016) [-]
clintons already undergone judicial investigation for the emails
literally what the fuck would be the questions "so emails?" and she would say what shes already said
also the moderator is a registered republican of over a decade so yknow
#127971 to #127966 - marinepenguin ONLINE
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
The investigation is far from over FBI director Comey simply said he didn't recommend charges be brought upon her. Which he's been questioned about by the DOJ ever since. The email scandal is far from over and not everything has even been released yet.

Also being Republican literally means nothing. Trump has a big group of Republicans who are fighting against him and also has a lot of democrats voting for him. Party lines aren't as concrete in thus election as usual.
#127962 to #127959 - marinepenguin ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
They completely hit trump with everything they had, and most of it was stuff that really doesn't matter in the big picture. Whether Trump supported the war in Iraq means nothing, the birther issue means nothing, his tax returns really mean nothing, those are all just personal jabs at Trump.

They didn't even touch on the number one issue for most people, and Trumps true strength and winning issue of immigration.

Even with the moderator and Hillary both debating Trump. Even with them pulling all the stops to attack him with everything they had on him. He has consistently won every post-debate poll that Ive seen, with the closest being CNBC at 52-48, ABC, CNN, Time, and about 14 other smaller site polls I've seen have him winning by a substantial margin.
#128009 to #127962 - redandgreen
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(09/27/2016) [-]
The moderator honestly didn't debate Trump. He corrected him on a couple of documented untruths/errors.

I suspect most peoples issue is probably the economy, not immigration. I'm not in the US but that's usually what it is. The thing she really attacked him on is the fact that he isn't Presidential. He flip-flops week to week and has no coherent sane plans.

#128020 to #128009 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(09/27/2016) [-]
The moderator asked Trump the majority of questions concerning him, and essentially left Hillary alone. He also fact checked Trump several times and never once corrected Hillary when she said something incorrect.

Most people I talk to care about immigration and how that will effect the economy, it's still a huge issue regardless and the center of Trump's campaign, yet they never even touched on it.

Hillary seemed stiff, scripted, and polished like you would expect a politician to be. Which will hurt her more than help her.
#128033 to #128020 - redandgreen
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(09/27/2016) [-]
Most of the questions were the same for both of them. Are you honestly surprised that the question about tax returns was asked? Hasn't every candidate for about forty years published them?

I'm sure one of the debates will cover immigration, I think they focus on topic areas but you can't expect every question you might want asking in one of the three debates.

I kind of agree with you on the stiff thing. Trump did well in the first part of the debate and she did badly. In the second part he just seemed crazy though. He rambled on and constantly interrupted. It hurt her early on and helped her later in comparison to him.
#128042 to #128033 - marinepenguin ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
I don't care about Trump or Hillary's tax returns.

The problem is they asked about all of Trumps issues, but zero of Hillary's arguably far worse issues. They asked about the birther issue, his tax returns, and Russia. But nothing about Hillary's emails, the Clinton foundation, the deplorables comments, or her health scares.

I agree Trump didn't do well the last half of the debate. He didn't adequately prepare and I hope he learns. But Hillary just seemed like a talking head and seemed very scripted. Trump destroyed her the first half but Hillary was far more stable throughout.
#128043 to #128042 - redandgreen
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(09/27/2016) [-]
People do care about them though, even if you don't. For me, Benghazi would be a non-issue in the campaign, do you agree?

They really didn't get into half of Trump's issues. They did get into Hillary's emails and we don't know if that was one of the questions which remained unasked as they got into it anyway (I'd be amazed if they don't just have a list of questions and run it according to how the discussion goes).

Honestly, I hope he doesn't learn because I think it'd be better for everyone if he loses.
#128044 to #128043 - marinepenguin ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
I don't think we agree on a single thing politically haha
#128045 to #128044 - redandgreen
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
We both agree on democracy (I hope).

I believe in freedom, you not so much

because there's no winky face
#128047 to #128045 - marinepenguin ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
We do, but we disagree on who would be a worse defender or offender I guess would be a better term of American freedom.
#127963 to #127962 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Its says alot that even with CTR being paid to influence online communities r/the_donald still managed to give trump these polls. The enthusiasm is on our side.

They still didn't hit Trump with the mexican judge, the trump u thing, and the khan thing. Hopefully trump can brush it off and move on quickly.
#127970 to #127963 - PopcornViking
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
you have to remember tho that r/thedonald and 4chan stuffing the polls is almost 100% people who have already decided theyre voting trump tho
#127972 to #127970 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Well I think thats true for everyone who votes in an online poll this election.

Massive amounts of people aren't going to go to one side or the other, this si really a war for the undecided and according to the poll released on breitbart trump managed to snag 2% of the undecided vote from their sample, and I'm inclined to believe breitbart in this instance because they actually gave hillary the overall win.

Another thing to consider is that at most 11-25,000 users are watching the_donald at any given time, and many of them are anti trumpers. So while they may guide the polls by making regular people believe that Trump is winning at first, its impossible for them to make even a large amount of the 1.7 million online votes we've seen in the Times poll for example.

They start the fire, and the normies follow them because they want to be seen as a "winner" in the poll.
#127958 - feelythefeel
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(09/27/2016) [-]
Obama 2008: She will say anything and change nothing. Hillary can't be trusted and isn't qualified to be president.
Obama 2016: If you don't vote for Hillary to be president, you're a rascist sexist islamaphobic bigot and a all-around meanyhead.

I have the feeling Hillary isn't the only one who'll say anything to get what she wants.
#127938 - newbtwo
Reply -3
(09/27/2016) [-]
so from my understanding trump lost spectacularly, and now he's losing

i didnt watch the debate so can someone explain how he fucked up this bad? he practically had it in the fucking bag
#127956 to #127938 - feelythefeel
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Trump is doing even better in the polls, actually. He's even in a position to win the electoral college now, which has been a big obstacle for him.
#127950 to #127938 - thumbfortrump
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Your understanding is poor then. Watch the debate, then we can discuss.
#127957 to #127950 - newbtwo
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
i dont care enough to discuss american politics, i just want to get a better understanding of who's winning
#127941 to #127938 - youregaylol
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
>i didn't watch the debate
>trump fucked up spectacularly

This is basically the logic of most Hillary supporters and media right now.
#127942 to #127941 - newbtwo
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
well i base that assumption on his sudden drop in polls
#127943 to #127942 - youregaylol
Reply -1
(09/27/2016) [-]
realclearpolitics hasn't updated any polls, they wouldn't have time and all the online polls show trump winning by alot.
#127946 to #127944 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Also I checked it before the debate as well and it was much closer than that. Trumps only down by 1.5% from the pre debate percentage i saw.
#127945 to #127944 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
>nate silver

fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/

The man is wrong about everything Trump related. He's still reeling from the embarrassment of being so embarrassingly incorrect about the primary season.
#127947 to #127945 - newbtwo
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
so online polls are useless, gotcha
guess ill just stop being curious and wait for fucking february then
#127948 to #127947 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
It's not even a poll, it's just his prediction given his shitty model. How can someone make a real poll when the debate was last night?

And the election is in November.
#127949 to #127948 - newbtwo
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
online polls cant be accurate anyway, cause a lot of republican supporters are trailerpark rednecks with no internet access who'll only show up on election day anyway
#127951 to #127949 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Meanwhile you thought the election was in February, so I guess that would mean the rednecks are more knowledgeable than you.
#127952 to #127951 - newbtwo
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(09/27/2016) [-]
i dont give much shits about your politics and i aint insulting rednecks, im just saying online polls are useless cause they dont account for a significant amount of people
#127953 to #127952 - youregaylol
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(09/27/2016) [-]
In any case this election has record republican voter turn out and enthusiasm, about the same as Obamas 2008 enthusiasm.

Theres also the fact that the primary model which has been correct for 100 years predicts a trump victory, if he loses it will be a massive upset.
#127954 to #127953 - newbtwo
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
eh, i dont see him winning

even if he wins by votes, what does something as petty as democracy and morals mean for someone like soros
#127955 to #127954 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Brexit has shown me that anything is possible with populism.
#127935 - youregaylol
Reply +2
(09/27/2016) [-]
All the FJ shills faces when #TrumpWon is trending and it's partially because retarded lefties keep retweeting it to vent their rage and thereby give it more exposure.
#127930 - Sunset
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
TRUMP WON

IT'S OVER

CLINTON BTFO
#127933 to #127930 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
I have to agree, the first couple of minutes of the debate are the most important, and Trump decimated her. It slowed down a bit at the end, mainly because he was on the defensive, but now that the birther question has been asked, the "muh women" question has been asked, the "trump tax" question has been asked, and the iraq war question has been asked, they have nothing left to hit him with.

I would score it 65/35 Trump.
#127931 to #127930 - pebar
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
it's cute that you think so
#127932 to #127931 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
it's cute that you don't think so
#127934 to #127932 - pebar
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(09/27/2016) [-]
#127936 to #127934 - youregaylol
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
put a spoiler jeez
#127937 to #127936 - pebar
Reply -1
(09/27/2016) [-]
Trump lost the debate; it was all downhill since the birther question
#127939 to #127937 - youregaylol
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
Untrue. The 30 year line is what will stick the most.

Another thing to consider is that all the Trump "scandals" were unloaded last night. We still have so many Hillary scandals to get too.
#127922 - uglychino
Reply -1
(09/27/2016) [-]
Another podium would have been nice for a change
#127926 to #127922 - shekelnator
Reply +3
(09/27/2016) [-]
most US politicians are clowns tbh
#127927 to #127926 - uglychino
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Politicians are clowns, the U.S is the theater, and the crowd are people who pay for the lights but cant change the bulbs their selves.
#127924 to #127922 - asotil
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(09/27/2016) [-]
No it wouldn't
#127925 to #127924 - uglychino
Reply -1
(09/27/2016) [-]
Its already a show.
Lets make it more interesting.
Watch next 4 years
Trump/HillDog VS Tim Tebow VS Kanye West
I'll... I'll pay a ticket to see that
#127928 to #127925 - asotil
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Are we talking a debate or a wrestling match
#127940 to #127928 - uglychino
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
They're both fake being watched live by folks to whom it was made for.
#127918 to #127914 - figatron
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Nazis did a fuckton of premarital degeneracy. Look up their fountain of youth program.
#127919 to #127918 - shekelnator
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(09/27/2016) [-]
coming from american which is his shithole terrorist and degeneracy haven
#127908 - unforgivensoul
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Personally I think Trump won by a mile, especially when the bar was set so low for him and the fact that he bulldozed her for a good amount of time with his alpha aggression and interruptions.

What do you guys think and what are the polls showing?
#127929 to #127908 - asotil
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
I think we should ask Hannity
#127917 to #127908 - lotengo
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Narrow victory for Hillary. She looked cool and in charge. But the moderator bias was extremely obvious, I hope people take that into consideration
#127913 to #127908 - theism
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Of course you think interruptions are a good thing.
#127923 to #127913 - Elk
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
God, the interruptions were so obnoxious.
#127911 to #127908 - Elk
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(09/27/2016) [-]
I found it shallow and pedantic.
#127897 - anon
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
If anyone missed the debate, here's the transcript, along with some factchecks:
www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate
#127900 to #127897 - Elk
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
I read that as fat chicks.
#127901 to #127900 - vegito
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(09/27/2016) [-]
GIF
#127892 - Zaxplab
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
I missed the debate today, summarize how Trump did with one word.
#127920 to #127892 - lotengo
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(09/27/2016) [-]
yes
#127915 to #127892 - akkere
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Sub-par for the most part.
He back-pedaled super hard on issues such as a statement he made on climate change and the Iraq War. He tried to interrupt quite a bit, and it might backfire with how he slipped up when Hillary launched a barrage of him costing a great deal of jobs and money for families, only for him to interrupt that was "good business". These are things that can be re-framed or even just purely remembered by viewers, and that's going to lead to consequences further down the line.

I think Trump's biggest flaw in the debate was how often he went off-topic to questions. He probably wanted to go for an illusion of control but it came off as complete rambling at times. Only for a portion of the questions did he even drive the rambling back to relevance and conclude with a valid answer to what he was asked.

Lester Holt wasn't a good moderator by any criteria. Completely failed in both respects of what a moderator should be; able to rein in the candidates should they talk completely off-tangent to a question - which both candidates did wildly - and at least attempt to be non-biased - which again Holt failed to do, especially in regards to slipping a statement that Trump's applause was unwarranted while Hillary's went unabetted. I imagine that was Holt's attempt at trying to somehow balance the numerous interruptions Trump had performed on Hillary, but again, the fault falls on Holt for simply not being a good moderator.

All in all, I would definitely recommend watching it even if you won't have a discussion wagon to ride with. Pretty intense exchange was done between Trump and Clinton in the first half of the debate, although it cooled completely.
#127916 to #127915 - akkere
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(09/27/2016) [-]
Something interesting I noticed also was that the NBC cast had a strange saturation that made the two candidates look pale, while the Alex Jones cast long story was much less paled in comparison. Something I wondered about
#127912 to #127892 - drastronomy
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Spitroasted by the moderators
Otherwise pretty gud
#127903 to #127892 - canyou
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
Great at first, then not so good. I feel like he missed a lot of talking points. Hillary didn't get any memorable quotes in other than maaaaybe "Trumped up Trickle down" which she botched twice and repeateded Marco Rubio style. I don't see it sticking.

Trump was the worst with dealing with charges of racism imo. But the big let down was missed opportunities to make Hillary look like a fool.

Lester Holt was alright, but noticibly no questions about the emails or the clinton foundation. Biased, but could have been worse.

All in all. A tie, maybe slightly clinton's favor, maybe not though.
#127904 to #127903 - Zaxplab
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Hopefully he can make a comeback. Obama got fucking decimated in his first debate with Romney, if I remember right.
#127898 to #127892 - figatron
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
if you like Trump: good
If you don't like Trump: bad

Rinse and repeat for Hillary Clinton
#127895 to #127892 - seniorawesomesauce
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
bad
#127891 - Sethorein
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Any good debate memes?

I know we all need to call Sean hannity but that's all I thought seemed meme worthy.
#127921 to #127891 - asotil
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(09/27/2016) [-]
"If you want to check the facts you can go to HillaryClinton.com and use the fact checker we set up specifically for this debate"

"Go call Sean Hannity"

"Mr Trump we need to move on" 1 of 3

"WRONG"

54 drinks by the end of the night
#127886 - anon
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
>Decrease tax on the wealthy from 35% to 15%
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

trickle down my ass
>Elites take tax cut and invest somewhere in Switzerland
>fuck the middle class
#127907 to #127886 - unforgivensoul
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Decrease corporate tax
--> Corporations and businesses have more money to spend
-----> Consumption Increases
---------> GDP growth
---------------> More jobs

I'm ok with it. Just cut some parts of the government and it could work, but of course this will never happen anyways.
#127899 to #127886 - Elk
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(09/27/2016) [-]
lel
#127887 to #127886 - figatron
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(09/27/2016) [-]
so what? it's their money
#127888 to #127887 - anon
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(09/27/2016) [-]
fuck the middle class amrite?
#127890 to #127888 - figatron
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(09/27/2016) [-]
how does people keeping their money fuck the middle class?
#127894 to #127890 - anon
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(09/27/2016) [-]
Well, the whole concept of trickle-down economics is give tax cuts to the rich, which nets them more money so they might use that to create more jobs, which they advocate for. If they don't do what they say, and keep their money via the tax cuts, it fucks the middle class because no new jobs were created like they promised. That's how.
#127896 to #127894 - figatron
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(09/27/2016) [-]
trickle down economics doesn't exist. that phrase has never been used by an advocate of the free market.
#127902 to #127896 - anon
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(09/27/2016) [-]
Trump insists on cutting tax, implying that it'll grow industry in the states, creating more jobs. That's reasonable to think about, but, it's also equal to think that those tax cuts won't be invested in the industry, rather it would be invested in some private bank overseas.

Anyways you're figatron, notably a guy who seems to have a grasp of economics. But, you seem libertarian, and as such you might support large tax cuts. What is the benefit to that?
#127905 to #127902 - figatron
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(09/27/2016) [-]
you can't know how much will be spent on the industry vs put in a bank overseas. But if a company wants to be competitive they have to expand. And quickly. The faster you eat up that market share the more likely you are to survive. keeping in a bank doesn't hurt either. that money doesn't stay there. banks invest it. whether it's here or abroad doesn't matter much either. A healthy world economy means a healthy American economy. Economies rely heavily in international trade these days. Taxes take from the market which is efficient and the government spends it inefficiently. This leads to a loss of total surplus. Letting people keep their own money decreases that deadweight loss. It doesn't matter much whose taxes you decrease, we all benefit either way though presumably the rich pay more in taxes so decreasing their taxes will lead to greater surplus. but ideally we should cut everyone's taxes
#127885 - nigalthornberry
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(09/27/2016) [-]
Well i can see Trump gaining ground not because of his performence but because of the meme machine saying he one

If it didnt exist nothing would change
#127881 - anon
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(09/27/2016) [-]
"The Vice Presidential Debate is October 4th"-Lester Holt
"The Vice Presidential Debate is October 4th"-Lester Holt
#127877 - whoozy
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(09/27/2016) [-]
So that was quite the debate.

I think Donald was a bit repetitive and of topic and a bit more boring and politically correct than he use to be. That being said he certainly seemed more professional than before, but maybe not as professional as Hillary.

What do you guys think?
#127878 to #127877 - theism
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(09/27/2016) [-]
The focus was primarily on character assassination. Kind of irritating tbh.
#127879 to #127878 - whoozy
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(09/27/2016) [-]
That sure was a big aspect of it, bug surprisingly enough most of it was related to political dealings with current issues. No snarky insults just for the sake of it.
#127882 to #127879 - theism
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(09/27/2016) [-]
It's better than the debates have been. Anytime Trump doesn't bring up his dick you know he could be doing worse.
#127880 to #127879 - whoozy
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(09/27/2016) [-]
but*
#127874 - thereasonableperso
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
I'm disappointed. There wasn't anything I could make a meme out of.
#127893 to #127874 - Sethorein
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(09/27/2016) [-]
Why haven't you called Sean hannity yet?
#127884 to #127874 - canyou
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(09/27/2016) [-]
400 lb NEET hackers
#127872 - thereasonableperso
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
Lester was a fucking cuck. When they cheers for Donald Lester says shutup. When they cheer for Hillary he let them.
#127876 to #127872 - Elk
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(09/27/2016) [-]
**Elk used "*roll picture*"**
**Elk rolled image** He only stopped it, like, once.
#127871 - Elk
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
GIF
Trump's FW this debate. Prove me wrong, idiots.
#127873 to #127871 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(09/27/2016) [-]
First 30 minutes Trump destroyed her. The rest was back and forth, but other than his watch list comment he did well. I'd put it as a draw overall.
#127883 to #127873 - nigalthornberry
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(09/27/2016) [-]
I might put it more as a win for the mass. My guess is that the average person didnt watch more than the first part so theres a good chance all they saw was trump
#127875 to #127873 - Elk
Reply 0
(09/27/2016) [-]
So, what you're saying is that Clinton won?
So, what you're saying is that Clinton won?
#127870 - asotil
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
#127869 - anon
Reply +1
(09/27/2016) [-]
yay, it's done. back to what I was doing.