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User avatar #72578 - mixednuts (11/15/2014) [-]
What would take for a presidential election in the US to go into a runoff?
#72602 to #72578 - drastronomy (11/15/2014) [-]
it would take a habdening
User avatar #72556 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
Real Time with Bill Maher: Senator Rand Paul - November 14, 2014 (HBO) Rand Paul on Bill Maher.

Pretty gud, only wish they would've dicussed fiscal policies more instead of "haha 420 legalize it"
#72601 to #72556 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
He talked about prison reform, policing for profit, and environmental regulation, too. Those are some of the issues that will have the greatest domestic effect for us.
User avatar #72571 to #72556 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Rand Paul is pretty gud. I just hope he aint a corporate shill like everyone else. One party system.
User avatar #72572 to #72571 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
Unlike his father his more willing to compromise. Which at one point can make him untrustworthy but on the other hand will give him a better chance at being a candidate.
User avatar #72575 to #72573 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
I really need to check my spelling twice before commenting...
User avatar #72562 to #72556 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
I'm no fan of Paul myself, but I don't think I could bring myself to defend Maher even on an ideological basis. He's a colossal douche.
User avatar #72577 to #72562 - mixednuts (11/15/2014) [-]
Isn't he also like a raging anti-vaxxer and naturalistic tard?
#72553 - levvy (11/15/2014) [-]
Americans will defend this.
User avatar #72626 to #72553 - feelythefeel (11/16/2014) [-]
I had a small heart attack in the fraction of a second that I hadn't realized that that's not my bill.
User avatar #72613 to #72553 - traveltech (11/16/2014) [-]
I'm just glad it's not showing me the total, I'm not sure I could take it
#72609 to #72553 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
Absolutely. Our costs are only so high because insurance companies remove the possibility of price negotiation between doctor and patient. Free healthcare costs even more, but you don't even get to see the bill. Our problem could easily be remedied by requiring price transparency and avoiding fourth-party insurance providers, but there's no cure for free healthcare.
#72639 to #72609 - levvy (11/16/2014) [-]
>Free healthcare costs even more
#72726 to #72639 - cabbagemayhem (11/16/2014) [-]
Yes! I hate to break it to you, but free healthcare isn't actually free!
User avatar #72566 to #72553 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Canada
>free
Feels gud
User avatar #72546 - thegayscience (11/15/2014) [-]
Is Islamophobia related to racism?

"Senior scientist at the Norwegian Center for Studies of Holocaust and Religious Minorities, Cora Alexa Døving, argues that there are significant similarities between Islamophobic discourse and European pre-Nazi antisemitism."

www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-goeman/islamophobia-is-a-racism_b_2428792.html
#72583 to #72546 - youregaylol (11/15/2014) [-]
Islam belongs in the middle east. If it stays there nobody would would have a problem with it. When it causes problems in our countries we're gonna speak out about it, if leftists don't like they can eat it.
User avatar #72625 to #72583 - ablueguy (11/16/2014) [-]
I'll never understand why leftists think Islam is a good religion.
I mean, its adamantly against so many things that they are in favor of: feminism, gay rights, multiculturalism, freedoms...
User avatar #72579 to #72546 - schnizel (11/15/2014) [-]
400 years of constant jihads against Europeans including terror and genocide sure makes me wonder why I hate Islam.....
User avatar #72582 to #72579 - schnizel (11/15/2014) [-]
Woops, 1400 years.
User avatar #72563 to #72546 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
I hate this whole thing of political "phobia" terms. Pathological fears need to be handled delicately with sensitivity.

Opposition to gays and different religions isn't fear, it's hate. They don't need to be helped as much as they need a swift kick in the ass and a stern reminder that the world does not revolve around them.
#72598 to #72563 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
Opposition to a race is one thing. Opposition to a destructive belief system is another. You can kick Islam-opposers in the ass if you want, but you'll just be beheaded from behind.
User avatar #72550 to #72546 - drastronomy (11/15/2014) [-]
>Døving

how fitting of a name - it means "deaf"
#72532 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Well guys last time we did this was more then a year ago.

I'm thinking people have changed and maybe we can see how we all compare now.

I know it's not the best test but it works to a degree. Understand the difference between agree and strongly agree when answering.

If you did it recently just post result again. If not: www.politicalcompass.org/test

If you aren't a regular, your opinion is: Irrelevant
#72630 to #72532 - mexicoman (11/16/2014) [-]
I'm basically Sweden, then.
#72614 to #72532 - traveltech (11/16/2014) [-]
There's actually quite a variety on this board
User avatar #72615 to #72614 - traveltech (11/16/2014) [-]
Let's see, I'm as Left wing as Mr. Progressive, but almost as libertarian as Tumblr
User avatar #72617 to #72615 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/16/2014) [-]
Kill yourself.
User avatar #72618 to #72617 - traveltech (11/16/2014) [-]
I really thought I'd end up more left wing than libertarian
User avatar #72596 to #72595 - drastronomy (11/15/2014) [-]
This is a bit weird. I consider myself very rightist, but have a couple of leftist views (such as free abortion, ability for gays to adopt, public owned schools/hospitals/etc and marijuana for recreational use)

Either this is a very Americanized spectrum, or those three factors apparently decide that i am a leftist, despite the fact that i believe immigration is shit, multiculturalism is shit, and that some races are superior to others..
User avatar #72642 to #72596 - levvy (11/16/2014) [-]
You are in denial about being a Leftist.
User avatar #72643 to #72642 - drastronomy (11/16/2014) [-]
even the american democrats are extreme right m8 in comparison to Europe.
User avatar #72644 to #72643 - levvy (11/16/2014) [-]
They are, this is based on real politics not just the American bubble of Politics.
User avatar #72616 to #72596 - traveltech (11/16/2014) [-]
As an american I must ask, what are your right-wing views?
User avatar #72633 to #72616 - drastronomy (11/16/2014) [-]
>immigration policies (complete assimilation if anyone is allowed in at all - fuck multiculturalism)

>segregation is a good thing,

> free market is good since it encourages competition (although it requires slight regulation to prevent monopolies),

>education policies (catering to the gifted/smart ones primarily, before the normal students (if their grades do not meet up to potential) - fuck feelings and "BUUUHUUU IM WORSE THAN SOMEONE")


i share views from both sides, but the above seem more important than "le weed bruuuuuh"
User avatar #72650 to #72633 - traveltech (11/16/2014) [-]
You sound like you'd agree with what the Democrats actually do in most areas (as opposed to what they run on)
User avatar #72679 to #72650 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/16/2014) [-]
That's ridiculous. Democrats don't want really strict immigration policies like me and drastronomy want and they race bait every chance they get.
User avatar #72681 to #72679 - traveltech (11/16/2014) [-]
Only around half of democrats are actually pro-immigration. Basically, if they border mexico they're pro immigration but the further north you go the more anti immigration they get. And sure, they race bait, but they don't actually do anything about racial issues.
User avatar #72682 to #72681 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/16/2014) [-]
Yeah wanting millions of fucking spics in America is pretty fucking pro-immigration if you ask me. Let's fucking open the border for all those Guatemalans.
User avatar #72683 to #72682 - traveltech (11/16/2014) [-]
As I said, that's really more of a North-South divide. Even a lot of southern Rupublicans are pro-immigration now
User avatar #72684 to #72683 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/16/2014) [-]
Which is too utterly disgusting. There should be billions and billions spent on a proper border with Mexico and immigration from niggerstan and sandniggerville should be drastically decreased too.
User avatar #72600 to #72596 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
I agree whole-heartly with you. This is a dumb test, I regret it now.
User avatar #72584 to #72532 - xenotime (11/15/2014) [-]
I tough I would be between Gestapo and Conservative, but turned out I'm actually commie... But I hate frggin commies...
User avatar #72586 to #72584 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Show results?
User avatar #72588 to #72587 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
I wanna wedistribute deh wealth - you (fuckign commie fagget)
#72589 to #72588 - xenotime (11/15/2014) [-]
No! I'd rather be nazi than filthy slavic commie!
User avatar #72710 to #72589 - teoragnar (11/16/2014) [-]
That dome would have been physical impossible.
#72712 to #72710 - xenotime (11/16/2014) [-]
The picture says otherwise.
User avatar #72591 to #72589 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
The test says otherwise
User avatar #72593 to #72591 - xenotime (11/15/2014) [-]
Then I'd be rather English/Italian commie!
#72576 to #72532 - mixednuts (11/15/2014) [-]
I'm mostly a lurker, but I felt like it.
User avatar #72565 to #72532 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
Tumblr doesn't really fit on the political compass. Their "ideology" is schizophrenic and self-contradictory on almost every level. Established political schools of thought know what they want and why they want it; prissy white girls on Tumblr just like rambling about everything.
User avatar #72567 to #72565 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
I could always count on one person being smart ass enough to critic a satiric picture.
User avatar #72569 to #72567 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
Satire that makes an erroneous point is a blight on comedy.
User avatar #72570 to #72569 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Just post results pleb
User avatar #72552 to #72532 - drastronomy (11/15/2014) [-]
I landed in the centre, slightly to the left.

I tried to answer like a nazi

okay
User avatar #72592 to #72552 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
You are supposed to post results
User avatar #72597 to #72592 - drastronomy (11/15/2014) [-]
done

not that much difference lel ( www.funnyjunk.com/politics/72595#72595 )
#72537 to #72532 - youregaylol (11/15/2014) [-]


some ol bullshit
User avatar #72647 to #72537 - levvy (11/16/2014) [-]
lol
#72621 to #72537 - anonymous (11/16/2014) [-]
When will you commies learn?
Seriously though, this test isn't the most accurate.
#72622 to #72621 - ablueguy (11/16/2014) [-]
Dammit, the website keep logging me out.
User avatar #72564 to #72537 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
you must of answered those business questions like a socialist would. A real Nat Soc you are.
#72557 to #72537 - anonymous (11/15/2014) [-]
how does it feel being a communist?
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#72528 - youregaylol (11/15/2014) [-]
>implying israel isn't our greatest ally
>implying you need guns
>implying fetuses are people
>implying theres anything wrong with communism
>implying transsexualism is a mental disorder
>implying smoking weed everyday is degenerate behavior
>implying blacks aren't physically superior to whites (im white btw)
>implying white privilege isn't real
>implying "white people" are real
>implying welfare is bad
>implying immigration isn't a positive thing
>implying there's anything wrong with whites ceasing to exist
>implying islam isn't a european religion
>implying white people haven't caused all the worlds problems
>implying you can be prejudice towards whites
>implying hitler was right

fucking stormfags
User avatar #72627 to #72528 - feelythefeel (11/16/2014) [-]
le happy merchant faic
#72530 to #72528 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Israel is our greatest ally dough : ^ )
Israel is our greatest ally dough : ^ )
#72515 - anonymous (11/15/2014) [-]
User avatar #72580 to #72515 - schnizel (11/15/2014) [-]
Damn.
#72728 to #72580 - anonymous (11/17/2014) [-]
You've been bamboozled.
#72516 to #72515 - anonymous (11/15/2014) [-]
Hero Syrian Boy Saves His Sister From Syrian Army Sniper Fire | Pac Nam

Discuss.
User avatar #72517 to #72516 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Cool. Wtf is there to discuss dumbass?
#72735 to #72517 - anonymous (11/17/2014) [-]
syrian heroboy faked by norwegian director
is fake propaganda
#72520 to #72517 - anonymous (11/15/2014) [-]
Alot.
#72511 - anonymous (11/15/2014) [-]
ITT: why The Principality of Sealand is the best country ever
#72513 to #72511 - anonymous (11/15/2014) [-]
Is that a new version of Sea World?
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User avatar #72508 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/14/2014) [-]
Alex's rap about transgender acceptance - at Camp Aranu'tiq 2014 WTF.....wtf
User avatar #72628 to #72508 - feelythefeel (11/16/2014) [-]
Transgenders are mentally ill. The rest of LGBT is fine (In theory), but trans people literally have a mental illness. I wish it wasn't that way, but that's how it is.
User avatar #72581 to #72508 - schnizel (11/15/2014) [-]
Abzolutly diqusin
#72512 to #72508 - mrspookygunship (11/15/2014) [-]
I can see why Russia started doing cold war era bomber patrols again.
#72507 - dehumanizer ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWPEvmwG9Vw   
>10 year olds are too young for sex but 10 year olds could deffinetly choose what gender they are   
   
THIS IS LITTERALY WHAT AMERICUCKS THINK, HOLY SHIT I CANT STOP LAUGHING AHAHAHAHAHAH-AHAHAHAHA. AFTER WE GAS THE JEWS WE GAS THE AMERICANS , THIS HAS TO STOP!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWPEvmwG9Vw
>10 year olds are too young for sex but 10 year olds could deffinetly choose what gender they are

THIS IS LITTERALY WHAT AMERICUCKS THINK, HOLY SHIT I CANT STOP LAUGHING AHAHAHAHAHAH-AHAHAHAHA. AFTER WE GAS THE JEWS WE GAS THE AMERICANS , THIS HAS TO STOP!
#72522 to #72507 - youregaylol (11/15/2014) [-]
>implyng most americans buy the transgender crap

you still can't fuck kids tho, sry m8
User avatar #72523 to #72522 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Is he mooslam?
#72524 to #72523 - youregaylol (11/15/2014) [-]
I thought so for awhile, but according to him he isn't

I'm still thinking he was raised near Islam or something because of his stances on things like fucking ten year olds and making excuses for arabs and such.
#72526 to #72525 - youregaylol (11/15/2014) [-]
Bulgaria.
Bulgaria.
User avatar #72533 to #72526 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
If I didn't make it clear he is actually from there, I can't tell if that was made evident enough by my 1 word reply.
#72534 to #72533 - youregaylol (11/15/2014) [-]
Dammit we had a cool moment and you ruined it by replying again

gg
User avatar #72518 to #72507 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
hehe we posted the exact same video next to minutes of eachother...
User avatar #72502 - feelythefeel (11/14/2014) [-]
Komm, susser Tod [With Lyrics] - The End of Evangelion OST -11- (HQ) >tfw you'll probably live your life without ever helping remove kebab Social Marxists
>tfw this is probably the end of the best time in human history
>tfw it's all down hill from here
Cynicism ahoy!
User avatar #72519 to #72502 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Have you actually been hacked? Or is that a joke?
User avatar #72527 to #72519 - feelythefeel (11/15/2014) [-]
No joke, why?
User avatar #72529 to #72527 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/15/2014) [-]
Well you've kinda changed it seems.
User avatar #72624 to #72529 - feelythefeel (11/16/2014) [-]
I have.
#72448 - anonymous (11/14/2014) [-]
Is fighting Islamic Extremism abroad worth it?
User avatar #72483 to #72448 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/14/2014) [-]
I thought you meant like in general. Like racial profiling type of stuff and anti-muslim immigration policies.
#72484 to #72483 - anonymous (11/14/2014) [-]
I meant involving our military in entanglements abroad, particularity ousting governments that are headed by Muslim extremists.
User avatar #72509 to #72484 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/14/2014) [-]
ohh no. Fuck that.
User avatar #72481 to #72448 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Let's expand the question: is fighting _____ abroad worth it if they don't pose an immediate threat to us on par with WWII Japan?

The whole "fighting abroad" thing sounds a lot more alarming than the target.
#72476 to #72448 - anonymous (11/14/2014) [-]
It's profitable for US military industry and Israel. Not for US taxpayer, but who gives a shit about it.
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User avatar #72470 to #72448 - levvy (11/14/2014) [-]
Sometimes.
#72456 to #72448 - anonymous (11/14/2014) [-]
User avatar #72460 to #72456 - schnizel (11/14/2014) [-]
Cool quote bro, but air strikes AID troops. No war has ever been won just from the AIR.
#72472 to #72460 - anonymous (11/14/2014) [-]
that's cause the technology is relatively new, idiot
User avatar #72473 to #72472 - schnizel (11/14/2014) [-]
Listen here nigger.
You drop a 100 000 dollar bomb with 3 million dollar plane on a shitty tent/building blowing up a "islamig derrorisd" only to make another 10.
No city will be won unless you get your troops on the ground there or you can make it a wasteland and call it peace.
#72477 to #72473 - anonymous (11/14/2014) [-]
The more expensive the bombs, the more profit you make when they need to be replaced.
User avatar #72479 to #72477 - schnizel (11/14/2014) [-]
Who is you?
Look at how much the US is in debt and spending on military! And no clear results.
#72504 to #72479 - anonymous (11/14/2014) [-]
Whose corporations make money out off global scare that make the military expenses of the whole world double?. US is the biggest exporter. US creates that enviroment. And if it means that they destroy US budget (to get more power than government) that is just cherry on top. Still US.
User avatar #72505 to #72504 - schnizel (11/14/2014) [-]
Ok.......
User avatar #72442 - pebar (11/13/2014) [-]
What's Right About Social Justice
User avatar #72458 to #72442 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
I'd agree if private charity wasn't substantially worse than public welfare in many aspects, especially the thinly veiled for-profit aspect that causes the majority of their funds to go into the pockets of chairmen. You never see stuff like EBT getting railed on or blindly defended on political talk because it fucking works and it fucking works well.

If money and resources don't come from nowhere, what incentive does a private enterprise have to just give them away to the unlucky and underprivileged? Religious and political prosthelyzing? Indebting service users and local governments? That's a cultural powder keg right there. Capitalism requires us to assume suppliers are acting in self interest, not for us to assume supply and demand will magically fill every niche.

As far as the whole "markets will fix everything" argument goes, it's at this point that we stop talking about workable solutions and start delving into nice sounding theories with no basis in reality, which only results in useful idiots voting for the GOP and Blue Dogs on the sole basis of economic policies that they won't carry out anyway, as if money is the only important thing in society.

This all said, stop using YouTube videos to argue for you. It's condescending.
User avatar #72466 to #72458 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Pretty sure philantropists and religious institutions have done more for the poor and suffering than your State god has ever done. If you throught charity goes to the pockets of chairmen (which differs from charity to charity) you would be amazed at what politicians make from your taxes. There is à reason why Singapore is an economic champion with rare poverty while welfare states are on the brink of collapse.
User avatar #72480 to #72466 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
"your State god", I like that. Not even gonna pretend to be impartial.

Singapore is an authoritarian shithole where economic regulations are the exception that make the rule and Canada, a "commie" nation with public healthcare and safety nets, is considered a very economically free nation by most objective metrics.
User avatar #72485 to #72480 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
I never said singapore was free in any other way, but they are free in terms of economic trade and it pays them off.
User avatar #72487 to #72485 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Money ain't worth much in a nation where everything fun, creative and anti-traditionalist is illegal.
User avatar #72488 to #72487 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Again not my point, the point is that in areas where it is free it is thriving. Same with Portugal, not at all a free country by all aspects, but they are one of the freest countries in terms of drugs and ever since they implemented that system they have strongly fixed their drugs problem. Point is history has shown time and time that when countries have more freedom in certain parts these parts increase in quality.
User avatar #72491 to #72488 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
No shit, that doesn't mean freedom is like a voucher we can trade in for happier citizens. If people were suddenly free to, say, commit violent transgressions against one another, I doubt most people would be thrilled.

The problem with absolute freedom is that it gives excessive power to people with no sense of ethical responsibility, people that would happily let the system crumble for short term gain.
User avatar #72493 to #72491 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
On the contrary, freedom in the market gives the consumer the power. Because the corrupt companies that wish to be exploitive can no longer appeal to government to bail them out, they have to satisfy their consumer to stay relevant.
User avatar #72495 to #72493 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
And you base this is off of what? What world do you live in where people always make rational decisions and even remotely care whether the companies they financially support are bad in any way that doesn't immediately affect them? Human psychology is not cut and dry like economics.
User avatar #72514 to #72495 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
The average consumer demands quality, that's why companies are extremely well knowledged on PR and are very prone to apologize for any little consumer revolt. If a consumer doesn't care that the company is fucking him over then that's entirely the fault of the consumer because he let the company fuck them voluntarily. It was his own decision, i on the other hand won't do the same.
User avatar #72535 to #72514 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
Consumers don't know what quality is until a company tells them. It's called "marketing".
User avatar #72549 to #72535 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
This once again shows how much of a generalizing hivemind view you have of humanity, no wonder you want everyone to be breastfed by big government when you cannot even remotely look at the individual.

What are boycotts?
User avatar #72559 to #72549 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
Oh, please, like a boycott has ever done anything this century. Companies are large enough in geographic scale that they can count on the majority of their customers simply not giving a shit if they, say, pollute excessively or are apathetic toward antisocial behavior on part of their employees.

People don't want to be responsible for what they vote for with their wallet. No matter what you do, you will never convince them to care. Isn't the entire purpose of government, no matter how small, to make the responsibilities of citizens less of a burden?
#72545 to #72535 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
I'm a consumer, and I know what quality is. Marketing is necessary for discovery. What someone chooses to buy on his own free will is no one else's problem.
User avatar #72558 to #72545 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
Except it is, that's how economics works. Every decision, every transaction indirectly affects others in some way or form. This is usually a great thing, but it can also be awful, which is why most people would agree some regulation is beneficial.
#72585 to #72558 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
Not really. Name an example.
#72462 to #72458 - cabbagemayhem (11/14/2014) [-]
Milton Friedman - Whats wrong with welfare? Milton Friedman - The Negative Income Tax Do you even know how much money is wasted on the welfare system? I agree, some charity owners take too much from the pot, but you don't have to give to those charities. And, don't think board members don't deserve their wage. If their job was that easy, everyone would do it. Anyway, if you really can't accept a charity system, you can't disagree with Milton Friedman's negative income tax proposal.

What are you saying in your second paragraph? Supply and demand is second to none at filling needs.

Just because money is a part of reality doesn't make it the "only important thing". Free markets are supported by bodies of historical data and real world studies. Where do you get your information from about what has basis in reality?
#72478 to #72462 - anonymous (11/14/2014) [-]
"wasted"?. If you consider giving hungry people food or any shelter to homeless, then sure it was "wasted". You should be wasted too.
#72501 to #72478 - cabbagemayhem (11/14/2014) [-]
If welfare made it to the poor and helped them on their feet, it wouldn't be a waste. I didn't say welfare was a total waste. Most of welfare is wasted because it never even makes it to the poor. And what does, the convoluted ways it is given to them makes it impossible for them to get off of it, even if they wanted to. If you looked up negative income tax, or just watched one of the videos I posted, you would have already known that.

I should be wasted? Typical liberalism...clearly you are the ones who care about the people, and give to the poor. Your ideology is the one that is fueled by ignorance and self-interest.
User avatar #72464 to #72462 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Accidentally hit Reply. One more thing:

"Free markets are supported by bodies of historical data and real world studies."

And yet there is not one nation in existence with absolute economic freedom. Like I said, nice on paper, not much else.
User avatar #72465 to #72464 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Democracy was never tried in times of absolute monarchy. Therefor aristocracy must be the only option!
User avatar #72482 to #72465 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
You are aware that absolute democracy doesn't exist either...right?
User avatar #72486 to #72482 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Never mentioned absolute democracy did i?
User avatar #72489 to #72486 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
You implied only laissez-faire economics count as capitalism.
User avatar #72490 to #72489 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Not at all, probably the only legit form of free market capitalism, but not capitalism in general. What i said is that because something has not been tried before it means it must not be an alternative to the systems we have now. Despite the fact that politics and countries evolve over time.
User avatar #72494 to #72490 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Of course, but part of discussing untested concepts is acknowledging that nobody even generally knows what will happen beforehand, so it's silly to advocate something that has never been tried on the basis that it's as sound as a thesis on some hard science.
User avatar #72497 to #72494 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
That strongly depends on whether you're in the Chicago school of economics or the Austrian school. Chicago school would probably agree with you.

But i don't think it's untested at all. There have been examples of libertarian societies in history (Godord system) and while in modern day there is not a full libertarian society we can definitely see that elements of it have been tested and that the results have been very positive. I mean combine Singapore's economic freedom, Netherlands social freedom, Portugal's drugs freedom all three succesful in their own ways and you're already getting close to a libertarian society.
User avatar #72538 to #72497 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
There have been examples of a rainbow variety of economic systems tested on a small scale, where there is no doubt that they will work between consenting individuals that take direct part in every decision made. But it's erroneous to assume economics scale neatly to different sizes like metric measurements, Marx assumed this and the result was the Soviet Union.

Ideally, people would be able to live in their own small, individual communities where people can pick and choose what kind of society to live in, communism and capitalism would just be a matter of preference. But we don't live in this kind of world, we live in a world of stupid horseshit mega-states and suppliers that use psychology to manipulate consumers instead of actually competing.
User avatar #72548 to #72538 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
>Economic freedom proven to improve quality
>"Hurr it doesn't count because scale"

Nice cop-out but no, it doesn't work that way. The fact that you even compare it to marxism shows that you're not qualified to talk about this at all. The great part about a free market is that you're not forced to buy from one place, you're not forced to give someone money, you're not forced to live like someone else wants you to. In a marxist society you are forced to do the exact same thing as everyone else and that's why it doesn't work, because individuals are not hiveminds that work as collective beings.

Mega-states and manipulating supplies are caused by the exact same government you love sucking off. A free market would eliminate corporatism in favor of actual competition.
User avatar #72560 to #72548 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
You're basing your arguments on a long chain of assumptions, some daring, that manage to look coherent and sound at a glance. Water is extremely nutritious for us, and yet you can still easily die of overhydration. Just because a measured amount of X leads to desirable result Y doesn't mean maximizing X automatically leads to maximizing Y. And no, I don't care how many cherry picked statistics you can pull from your ass proving me wrong.

On top of this, you're abusing words like "liberty" for the sake of emotional weight, which is pathetic. Too much liberty or freedom is a horrible thing.
User avatar #72463 to #72462 - Shiny ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Negative income tax essentially is welfare, though. And yes, I am saying public welfare is more efficient as it is: the private charity market is a competition to see who can spend the least amount of income on actual causes without diminishing money flow. The result is frivolous causes that do nothing to address real world concerns. Your counter argument amounts to little more than a false equivalence between personal choice and macroeconomics and a thought terminating cliche. Sad.

"Supply and demand is second to none at filling needs."
Not always. Complications arise when the people demanding supply and the people matching this supply with money become two different entities. Conflicts of interest will abound. The need for public charity is, above all, a matter of neutrality, it benefits from being provided by an entity unbound by personal agendas.
#72500 to #72463 - cabbagemayhem (11/14/2014) [-]
Yes, negative income tax is welfare, the purest form of it. When I asked if you know how much money is wasted on welfare, I wasn't welfare was a complete waste. I'm sure it helps someone. But, a great deal of what is supposed to go to the poor ends up in other people's pockets. And, the multitude of programs that exist only serve to keep people in poverty. If you really care about the poor, you should support a simple program that gives money directly to the poor and allows them to taper off.

You're making very vague statements, and I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. Conflicts of interest are problems of teamwork, not competitive markets. What's incredible about the free market is that people can act independently and exercise free will, and still effect the most efficient solution to the economic problem.

If you're just going to be a rigid ideologue and flout sound policy without even educating yourself with the material I provided before speaking, then obviously, defending your current views are more important than actually being right.
User avatar #72536 to #72500 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
Yes, a lot of welfare money doesn't make it to the poor, but for the average down on their luck citizen, it still does a hell of a lot more.

Note how I never said public welfare is perfect. It isn't, in fact, the US is probably the least efficient government in the developed world by a wide margin. But welfare isn't made to be perfect, it's made to keep people on their feet long enough to pursue their own goals. It serves to alleviate complications in their lives that make class mobility more difficult.

Not that it matters, since you seem convinced of your magical one size fits all solution.
#72540 to #72536 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
No, that's not the effect that it has. It may help them with their immediate problem, but it has the effect of making your average down-on-his-luck citizen dependent on welfare, not to help back on their feet. It won't let him get off easily. And, it costs much more than a more effective system would.

Of course I'm convinced of my solution. I took time to research it and evaluate it without bias. If I was convinced of my position without doing research and held my position due to some special-interest, then I'd have the same problem as you.
User avatar #72541 to #72540 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
And you base this off what, blind assumptions? Welfare is most often meant as a supplement to work income. I know plenty of people that got their shit together because of SSI and EBT assistance, it's just a fact of life.

Yes, it's an anecdote, but it beats an ass pull.
#72542 to #72541 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
I know what it's meant for, but it's not very good at doing it. Sure, some people manage to use it and get off of it successfully, but its widespread effect is not so efficient. If you favor welfare, the only excuse to not implement a negative income tax is ignorance. I posted you two informational resources which you still haven't educated yourself with, and you continue to act as if you already know what you're talking about, and I'm making stuff up. Let me know when you have more than an anecdote.
User avatar #72543 to #72542 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
You posted me two lectures by political pundits. I wanted an argument, not a lecture on why I either believe what you do or should off myself.

Welfare dependency is a cultural issue, not a policy one. I'm all for railing on the fed for fucking things up, but even I can advocate personal responsibility.
#72544 to #72543 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
It is very much a policy issue. You don't even know who Milton Friedman is, and you've already formed an opinion?
User avatar #72561 to #72544 - Shiny ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
I know who he is, and I respect him, contrary to your Cato libertarian attitude of "anyone who isn't on my team is an ignorant sheeple waiting to be shown the light". However, that doesn't make everything he says gospel. I deeply admire Noam Chomsky, for example, but I cringe like a motherfucker when I read about his Khmer Rouge apologism; I'm also pretty sure I'm allowed to like Orson Scott Card as a fiction author while finding his views of my sexual orientation extremely repugnant
#72594 to #72561 - cabbagemayhem (11/15/2014) [-]
I don't call people sheeple. I believe everyone is intelligent enough to understand the truth once it is presented to them. So, what part of it is it that you don't understand?

Welfare is morally wrong and displaces a potentially greater good. That's supported by the fact that it is inefficient, and there are far more privileged people with their hand in the pot than there are Board Members who ever took money from charities. Even if you can accept welfare, there is no excuse to reject the negative income tax, except to reveal the evil in the true motives behind welfare.
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User avatar #72449 to #72442 - feelythefeel (11/14/2014) [-]
He's asking the right question, but he's interpreting it wrong. In the end, what is right about social justice?

Tough question.
#72461 to #72449 - cabbagemayhem (11/14/2014) [-]
Why do they even call it social justice? It doesn't qualify as true justice, so they have to coin a new term?
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#72438 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/13/2014) [-]
You know what this is? These are the scientists working on the Rosetta Mission. Notice anything? Not a single black person...
User avatar #72443 to #72438 - akkere (11/13/2014) [-]
Well, it IS a European space agency, in which the mission is based in Germany. Most of the minority demographic/foreign nationals are Turkish last time I checked, the rest being of other European origin like Italy or Poland.
User avatar #72444 to #72443 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/13/2014) [-]
If anything Europe has a more "progressive" approach to this type of stuff and Germany has a population that is approximately 5% Muslim alone.
User avatar #72445 to #72444 - akkere (11/13/2014) [-]
Germany's equivalent to the US' affirmative action program seems to be less targeted at race and more to whether or not you're disabled and/or female, being that they do have a pretty low pop of foreign nationals and not much of an extensive history of discrimination against different skin color (instances like the Nazi party for example don't seem to have occurred in a large scale like the US' slavery and follow-up discrimination laws).
User avatar #72447 to #72445 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/14/2014) [-]
Shut up son.
#72430 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (11/13/2014) [-]
"You are a Trotskyist. 3 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 19 percent are more extremist than you."

www.politicaltest.net/
User avatar #72431 to #72430 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/13/2014) [-]
>19% more extremist

Is that like left and right or just left? If so that is really worrisome.
User avatar #72434 to #72431 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (11/13/2014) [-]
I think it's just left, but I'm not sure.
User avatar #72435 to #72434 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/13/2014) [-]
That is really pathetic if true. Like damn...
User avatar #72436 to #72435 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (11/13/2014) [-]
How?
User avatar #72437 to #72436 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/13/2014) [-]
>20% of people are more left then a Trotsky label
User avatar #72439 to #72437 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (11/13/2014) [-]
I don't think the trotskyist label is accurate at all, it seems it automatically labels anyone more libertarian than the average communist as a trotskyist.
User avatar #72440 to #72439 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/13/2014) [-]
Still sounds bad.
User avatar #72503 to #72440 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
I don't mind that people have different views from mine at all as long as they're reasonable, I don't think you should either.
User avatar #72510 to #72503 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/14/2014) [-]
I have to tolerate it everywhere, near classmates, acquaintances, gfs and even friends. Thank god my two best friends both happen to be right wing and coincidentally Russian even though this is Canada so we can share a lot of the same humor and opinions.
#72429 to #72428 - juffs (11/13/2014) [-]
The 365-day calendar is offensive to Evenkin, and I demand that it be turned into a numberfluid non-definite number of day(s)
User avatar #72450 to #72429 - whimsicalmagnus (11/14/2014) [-]
haha gave me a god chuckle
#72416 - juffs (11/13/2014) [-]
How do you feel about drug decriminalization?
User avatar #72467 to #72416 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
Decriminalize them à la Portugal
User avatar #72469 to #72467 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
You mean decriminalize them but not legalize them?
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User avatar #72419 to #72416 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (11/13/2014) [-]
Decriminalize most of them except for the really terrible ones, but don't leave it up to the market except maybe for marijuana and polen.
User avatar #72418 to #72416 - pebar (11/13/2014) [-]
decriminalize all of it
allow industrial competition, flood the market, destroy black market profits
treat addicts like sick people, not criminals
a felony conviction ruins people's lives, that's a high penalty considering the only person you're hurting is yourself and maybe your relationships
#72423 to #72418 - anonymous (11/13/2014) [-]
Decriminalization and industrialization means commercials that manipulate people to use them. Want you kids to hear how fun it is to do cocaine?. Or at least marihuana?.
User avatar #72426 to #72423 - pebar (11/13/2014) [-]
the occasional advertisement vs the kids who are gunned down by gang violence for wearing the wrong color clothes?

yes, I'll take advertisements.
User avatar #72451 to #72426 - whimsicalmagnus (11/14/2014) [-]
yeah I agree with you for the most part, can't say I'd like drugs like say meth or heroin being legal, but if we can treat the addicts like sick people, and hopefully just do good all around with education of drugs, and possibly even removing the maybe forbidden fruit element of it as well get rid of the black market on it, it could be the best of a shitty thing
User avatar #72452 to #72451 - whimsicalmagnus (11/14/2014) [-]
forgot to add, but my fear would be it'd still create many more addicts
User avatar #72453 to #72452 - pebar (11/14/2014) [-]
A kid who is gunned down by gang violence is an innocent victim.
A guy who destroys his life with drugs does it to himself.
User avatar #72454 to #72453 - whimsicalmagnus (11/14/2014) [-]
true, I wouldn't want either but choose the latter over the first, lesser of two evils in a way, but that kid could get addicted because say his mother is an addict, and then you have a kid too young to really be educated on drugs on drugs, and that man may do it to himself but because of usually a deeper problem in his life that he's trying t self medicate, my father has a little bit of a history with addiction, my mother was an alcoholic and before that even did drugs like crack, thankfully she's been off that hardcore stuff for more then a decade, but she got into it originally because of some traumatic happenings in her life, that man you mention could be on heroin because his family all died in a car wreck, maybe his father beat him as a boy often, what I'm saying is both are still victims that need help
User avatar #72455 to #72454 - pebar (11/14/2014) [-]
but throwing them in our already overflowing prisons is definitely not "helping them"
User avatar #72457 to #72455 - whimsicalmagnus (11/14/2014) [-]
I agree, they need to be treat as if their sick, treat them not lock them up
#72422 to #72421 - pebar (11/13/2014) [-]
something funny?
User avatar #72459 to #72422 - schnizel (11/14/2014) [-]
Why not kill them all?
#72425 to #72422 - juffs (11/13/2014) [-]
I'd ignore the fullblown /pol/fag if I were you
User avatar #72474 to #72425 - schnizel (11/14/2014) [-]
When you can't use your brain, use shitposting.
Ben would be proud.
#72492 to #72474 - juffs (11/14/2014) [-]
When you can't use your brain, assume you're better than everyone who's not white.
User avatar #72496 to #72492 - schnizel (11/14/2014) [-]
I don't assume, I know.
#72498 to #72496 - juffs (11/14/2014) [-]
That's adorable. Let the rest of us know when you finally quit being an edgy internet bigot and feel like joining the adult world with the rest of us.
User avatar #72499 to #72498 - schnizel (11/14/2014) [-]
Will do.
User avatar #72471 to #72425 - levvy (11/14/2014) [-]
lol
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