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#94925 - pebar
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(10/01/2015) [-]
what's the difference between this and abortion?
#94975 to #94925 - anon
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(10/02/2015) [-]
hypocracy
#94940 to #94925 - buttthurtpirate
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(10/01/2015) [-]
One has been born and is now independent of his mother and not attached to her. Either way I honestly dont give a fuck if its considered murder. I think its justified regardless.

I also didn't know you were pro-life.
#94947 to #94940 - pebar
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(10/02/2015) [-]
Independent is not a word I would use to describe a newborn

also, I'm not pro-life
#94929 to #94925 - redandgreen
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(10/01/2015) [-]
Timing.
#94928 to #94925 - akkere
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(10/01/2015) [-]
Depending on the procedure, abortion within an early point would be the termination of the would-be child through a careful medical procedure, before the subject can have a conscious mind "capable of feeling".
This is the termination of a child when they're been born, fully developed, and capable of feeling the pain that would be whatever the girl used to dispose the child (probably strangulation, perhaps even with the umbilical cord).
#94948 to #94928 - pebar
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(10/02/2015) [-]
Due to an interesting tidbit of human evolution, newborns are practically still fetuses 'til they're about 2 years old. The only reason they're born "early" is because otherwise the mother would break in half. Humans actually have really big heads relative to the rest of our bodies, compared to other animals.

Think about other animals. Horses can stand after they're born. What can newborn humans do?

So they're not really "full developed"
#94918 - kanadetenshi
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(10/01/2015) [-]
"Assault Weapons" according to gun control activists.
#94924 to #94918 - pebar
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(10/01/2015) [-]
is it chambered in 3006mm?
#94969 to #94924 - Zaxplab
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(10/02/2015) [-]
Look, even a child can load this weapon of mass destruction.
#94920 to #94918 - buttthurtpirate
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(10/01/2015) [-]
Do you even own a gun? I'm certain Netherlands doesn't allow it, you probably haven't even shot one.
#94922 to #94920 - kanadetenshi
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(10/01/2015) [-]
Gun control is strict here but it's not impossible to own a weapon. I myself occasionally go target practicing at a gun club where you get firearm training. I don't own one myself but i use the ones at the gun club.
#94923 to #94922 - buttthurtpirate
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(10/01/2015) [-]
I'm surprised they even have firing ranges.
#94912 - levvy
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(10/01/2015) [-]
Voykov is a hero and Czar Nicholas is still a murderer and devil of Russian people
www.rt.com/politics/316366-moscow-residents-want-romanov-killers/

Befor the 2016 Russian legislative elections Putin as 'removed' most rightist opposition and anti-Soviet naysayers - I'll update you if more die (keep a close eye on Zhirinovsky)

Monument to Lenin Restored in Novoazovsk - Kiev Nazis take him down now he has been put back up by the Novorossya red army
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#94919 to #94912 - schnizel
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(10/01/2015) [-]
The Romanov family was killed by filthy kikes and idiots such as yourself.
Please remove yourself levvy.
#94926 to #94919 - anon
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(10/01/2015) [-]
The Romanov family ruled for 300 years and in that time they turned Russia into an unindustrlized, uneducated, famine ridden hell. The backwater of Europe. You act like nicholas the second was Peter the Great. Nicholas was the devil, he wanted to destroy Russia and almost did. He brought nothing but shame to the title Czar and the Romanov family. I am glad all of Russia is awake to this reality. He was weak and not fit to rule Russia.

Only braindead fools such as yourself care about 'men' like Nicholas the second.
Also anti-Soviet propaganda is a crime - FSB will put you in a labor camp. Glory to Putin!
#94973 to #94926 - schnizel
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(10/02/2015) [-]
>unindustrlized
Started the the industrialisation of the country.
>uneducated
Was branded the Mecca of Slavic and European culture until the commies like you didn't destroy the capital and it's culture.
>famine
They had a few famines but the Tsars always payed money to import grain, unlike the communists who didn't even know how to farm properly.

Lenjin had outside support from Imperial Germany and American (Jewish) Bankers. Jacob Schiff and the Imperial Armed Forces of Germany were responsible for getting the Bolsheviks back into Russia and financing their takeover.

Russia had been crippled by World War 1 leaving the Tsar unpopular. He abdicated from power and was replaced by Kerensky's provisional government, Kerensky continued the war due to pressure from the western allies and the Bolsheviks said they would end the war. The Soldiers and the Workers through their lot in with Lenin, Lenin's party was highly organised (much more so than the whites) and so it won the civil war. His ideas were more popular with starving workers and soldiers sick of war by promising them peace and food, but they god neither. The Soldiers got a bloody war until the end of the SSSR and the workers got, canned cans.

The peasants actually mainly supported another Socialist group called the Socialist Revolutionaries, they were Agrarian Socialists who idealised the peasantry and "traditional Russian lifestyle".

Also, the revolutionary group Narodnaia Volia which murdered Tsar Alexander II wrote to their Ukranian constituencies that the Jews were as harmful as their monarchs. "The people in the Ukraine suffer worst of all from the Jews.
Who takes the land, the woods, the taverns from out of your hands?
The Jews. From whom does the muzhik [peasant], often with tears
in his eyes, have to beg permission to get to his own field, his own plot of land?—the Jews. […] Soon the revolt will be taken up across all of Russia against the tsar, the pany [landowners], the Jews."

Also, another reminder, Jews were assassins in Tsarist Russia.
Dmitri Bogrov killed Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin
Yevno Azef organized the assassinations of Vyacheslav von Plehve and Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich
Grigory Gershuni planned the assassination of Dimitry Sipyagin
Gesya Gelfman was implicated in the assasination of Tsar Alexander II in 1881

#94913 to #94912 - anon
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(10/01/2015) [-]
russia is a 3rd world shithole
#94915 to #94913 - levvy
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(10/01/2015) [-]
Хохол
#94981 to #94915 - greekrascal
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(10/02/2015) [-]
#94905 - removekimchi ONLINE
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(09/30/2015) [-]
>USA is in Syria   
>France is in Syria   
>UK is in Syria   
>Turkey is in Syria   
>Israel is in Syria   
>Russia is in Syria   
>China is on it's way to Syria   
   
WW3 soon?
>USA is in Syria
>France is in Syria
>UK is in Syria
>Turkey is in Syria
>Israel is in Syria
>Russia is in Syria
>China is on it's way to Syria

WW3 soon?
#94911 to #94905 - shekelnator
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(10/01/2015) [-]
#94931 to #94911 - klowserpok ONLINE
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#94932 to #94931 - shekelnator
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#94933 to #94932 - klowserpok ONLINE
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#94934 to #94933 - shekelnator
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#94935 to #94934 - klowserpok ONLINE
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#94936 to #94935 - shekelnator
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#94896 - redandgreen
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(09/30/2015) [-]
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34401412

Should countries which profited historically from slavery apologise?
Should they pay reparations to the descendants of slaves?
#94910 to #94896 - pebar
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(10/01/2015) [-]
Black Americans Failed by Good Intentions: An Interview with Jason Riley no
most of black peoples' problems are coming from current government, not a history of slavery
#94916 to #94910 - redandgreen
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(10/01/2015) [-]
This isn't just about the US though.
#94906 to #94896 - mixednuts
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(10/01/2015) [-]
It really depends on the context.

When Haiti declared independence from France through a slave rebellion in 1804, the French actually demanded reparations from the former slaves for the damage and loss of revenues a debt of 150 million golden Francs (The estimated loss was 100 million). Due to other countries refusal to trade with Haiti, it took until 1947 for Haiti to pay the debt. The French had ample time to forgive the debt and refused to, only agreeing to reduce it to 90 million.

I wouldn't say monetary reparations are entirely in order, but I do believe that France owes Haiti something. I normally don't agree with that sort of sentiment, but I believe these are extraordinary circumstances.
#94907 to #94906 - mixednuts
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(10/01/2015) [-]
So I would need to know more about Britain's colonial relationship with Jamaica to draw a conclusion.
#94921 to #94907 - buttthurtpirate
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(10/01/2015) [-]
No Western country needs to apologize for anything in the past.

That was the culture and norm back then. It was conquer or be conquered, enslave or be a slave. ect
#94952 to #94921 - mixednuts
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(10/02/2015) [-]
I did not say anywhere that people should apologize or feel guilty for the atrocities of colonialism. But there are still problems in many countries that have their roots in the days of colonialism.
#94901 to #94896 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/30/2015) [-]
....Are you serious? Is that even a fucking question?
#94897 to #94896 - feelythefeel ONLINE
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(09/30/2015) [-]
"Your distant relatives did something to my distant relatives and it's your fault!"
#94891 - akkere
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(09/30/2015) [-]
What do people think of the standardized testing models of today?
allsides.com/news/2015-08-20-0802/use-standardized-tests-improving-education-america
Is there any alternatives? Tweaks/improvements to different testings, like the notion for open-ended problems on pure math classes which are graded based on display of knowing as much the tested material's process, rather than exclusively the end result?
#94888 - theism
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(09/30/2015) [-]
I wonder how many people opposed to planned parenthood would start to support it if they found out a lot of the babies aborted are black.
#94909 to #94888 - mixednuts
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(10/01/2015) [-]
You mean people still believe the black genocide meme?
#94902 to #94888 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/30/2015) [-]
I support abortion exactly for that reason.

Except replace blacks with "babies that families do not want to have and will only be a burden on the system as well as their financial future, which if raised will only suffer because their parents were forced to have them, making it more likely for Tyrone to remain broke and Shiniqwa to remain on welfare."
#94903 to #94902 - theism
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(09/30/2015) [-]
No see that's how abortion really works. You're not allowed to discuss it in those terms.
#94898 to #94888 - feelythefeel ONLINE
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(09/30/2015) [-]
>Make abortion laws more lax on minorities (Sans east Asians and the like)
>make them more strict on whites
America's problems suddenly sort themselves out.
#94889 to #94888 - pebar
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(09/30/2015) [-]
bigot
#94890 to #94889 - theism
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(09/30/2015) [-]
Against blacks or people who want to defund planned parenthood?
#94885 - pebar
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(09/30/2015) [-]
does getting a loan based on your credit score count as price discrimination?
#94970 to #94885 - Zaxplab
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(10/02/2015) [-]
does getting a job based on your criminal record count as discrimination?
#94904 to #94885 - anon
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(09/30/2015) [-]
Check your good credit score economically advantaged privilege, shitlord.
#94887 to #94885 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/30/2015) [-]
LOL no
#94886 to #94885 - kanadetenshi
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(09/30/2015) [-]
No.
#94884 - pebar
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#94868 - feelythefeel
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#94878 to #94868 - feelythefeel ONLINE
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(09/30/2015) [-]
Can someone from the NSP take my place in the debate?
#94879 to #94878 - youregaylol
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(09/30/2015) [-]
In the meantime I'll try to find you opponents, I'm sure there are some people here against draft like military proposals.
#94880 to #94879 - feelythefeel ONLINE
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(09/30/2015) [-]
It's not military, it's public works. America had a labour corps too.
#94881 to #94880 - youregaylol
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(09/30/2015) [-]
Theres probably some libertarian/demsoc/commie/liberal faggotini out there who would call that slavery., Should be easy to find one, maybe even two or three.
#94882 to #94881 - feelythefeel ONLINE
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(09/30/2015) [-]
>I don't have a job
>keep your jobs away from me, government
>that's slavery!
#94883 to #94882 - pebar
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(09/30/2015) [-]
#94832 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/29/2015) [-]
/politics/94806#94806 Everyone vote.

"Representative akkere of the Centrist Party, pushing for a legislation that calls for a national recognition of the marriage of same sex couples, as well as an anti discrimination law focusing on requiring businesses to serve gay couples. "
#94865 to #94832 - anon
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(09/30/2015) [-]
>Rollplaying
#94852 to #94832 - youregaylol
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(09/29/2015) [-]
VOTING PHASE IS OVER

In a vote of 8 nays, 2 yays, and 1 vote abstaining Representative akkere of the Centrist Parties legislation calling for the national recognition of same sex marriage and the ban on discriminatory business practices based on sexual orientation, HAS FAILED.

Representative pebar of the Libertarian Party has successfully convinced Parliament, though I'm not sure how much convincing they needed. akkeres refined vernacular and presenting style was perfectly countered by the straight talking capitalist, let us all say laissez fairwell to gay marriage.

As HoP I will now describe the effects of our actions this session.

Traditionalists celebrate in the street as Poletacs large religious majority is ecstatic at the result of the debate, with religious rights groups calling it a "a breathtaking victory for religious freedom". Coincidentally, the publics opinion of Parliament goes up a surprising 6 points, giving the body the support it's been so desperatly needing in the early days of this post war republic. Since the founding of our great nation opinion polls of the legislature have been slinking below 24%, but today marks the highest approval rating on record with 30% of Poletacens stating they have a favorable view of the government.

Those on the left and gay rights groups, as well as Jewish leaders were less ecstatic however, calling it a "mockery of human rights and democracy", as well as appealing to the UN's LGBT led human rights council for guidance as well as a request to put economic sanctions on the country until their demands are met. The UN council has denounced the vote as a rigged election with the far right NSP members stifling opposition. They also noted that Representative akkere, who created the legislation, backed down before the vote and took back his yay position, abstaining with the rest of the Centrist Party. They have implied bribery or intimidation was involved.

Glory to Poletac.
#94917 to #94852 - cognosceteipsum
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(10/01/2015) [-]
lol
#94862 to #94852 - akkere
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(09/30/2015) [-]
So exactly will issues be brought to the floor? Parties take turn bringing in legislative ideas when a thread opens up? Parties offer to take proposals and revisements from parties that don't agree with the bill enough to vote for it but could see it working with adjustments? Mostly thread events to ensure all or most parties have a shot at cultivating their own bills even if it isn't strictly on the "parliament floor" (the NatSoc have a meeting with the NatCons at their respective profiles, or the Lib, Commie, and DemSoc do the same for their profiles).
I don't remember if this was expounded on in the debut thread so forgive me if it was.
Also, that pic is the version I botched and gave my party two seats stolen from the Commie party. I fixed it here >>#94772
#94864 to #94862 - youregaylol
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(09/30/2015) [-]
Its explained in the FAQ

/user/poletacnews/2#2

These rules are for the final version though, im still testing things.

If anyone wants to participate in test debates like the akkere vs pebar debate pm poletacnews and we'll see if we can set something up.
#94866 to #94864 - akkere
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(09/30/2015) [-]
Only thing that's not really clear is the frequency of Polatec threads, but I think I get the gist of most of it.
If I could have a shot at doing a legit thread, I'd like to present my experimental take on the gay marriage/ civil union issue (details in spoiler, if it's necessary ) -
Establish a bill that sets the foreground for legally binding monogamy relationships that may be formed with the ceremony of choice of the couple - given that both members of the couples are consenting adults, of course. This would establish all sex marriages while shaking away the notion that such a course would force religious institutions to enact ceremonies contradictory to their beliefs, as well as that this would lead to a slippery slope of legalizing polygamist marriage - an act that would require a great deal of rethinking the tax codes and legal privileges on top of anything else to begin with anyway.

Taking a shot at a legit attempt without having to burden myself with portions of the issue that I don't entirely agree with. Plus, I'm interested in seeing people comment on the notion from those who've held the views the idea is supposed to secure.
#94863 to #94862 - akkere
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(09/30/2015) [-]
So how exactly*
#94859 to #94852 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/29/2015) [-]
WOW, that was good. I gotta say.
#94855 to #94852 - thekame
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(09/29/2015) [-]
>as well as Jewish leaders were less ecstatic
#94860 to #94855 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/29/2015) [-]
its a meme u dip
#94854 to #94852 - pebar
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(09/29/2015) [-]
I'm curious how many voted nay because of the anti discrimination bit and not gay marriage
#94857 to #94854 - youregaylol
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(09/29/2015) [-]
It's just a guess but I would imagine that most of those opposed to gay marriage are also opposed to anti discrimination laws in regards to business.
#94856 to #94854 - thekame
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(09/29/2015) [-]
I did, though my vote wasn't counted.
#94833 to #94832 - akkere
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(09/29/2015) [-]
Please note, this is only a simulation. The Centrist party does not advocate the entirety of the legislation and only participated for testing purposes.
#94835 to #94833 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/29/2015) [-]
oh
and there i thought u were a fagget
#94836 to #94835 - akkere
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(09/29/2015) [-]
I went ahead and decided to change the vote to an "abstain".
#94819 - enlightednatzie
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(09/29/2015) [-]
/Pewdiepie+conspiracy/funny-pictures/5699821/

Read, this is important shit.
#94770 - poletacnews
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(09/29/2015) [-]
TEST SESSION

This is a trial session meant to find any weaknesses or strengths in the Parliament of Poletac system.

We will only have two representatives this time.

Representative akkere of the Centrist Party, pushing for a legislation that calls for a national recognition of the marriage of same sex couples, as well as an anti discrimination law focusing on requiring businesses to serve gay couples.

Opposite him, Representative buttthurtpirate of the National Conservative Party, arguing against this legislation.

I, poletacnews, will act as HoP and moderator throughout this debate.

The rules are simple /user/poletacnews/2#2 , you will each make ONE comment at a time until I declare the debate over or one of you resigns. At the end of this debate the other representatives of politics will take a vote to decide if the legislation passes or fails.

No internet links or sources will be permitted. Anything can be said, lying is permitted, but you may be called out on it.

We will start with akkere, please make your opening statement.

Glory to Poletac.
#94799 to #94770 - youregaylol
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(09/29/2015) [-]
Afterthoughts:

This was overall a very successful test. I figured out three different problems that we can fix in the future.

-we need to hold these debates on a profile so that we can easily delete messages and control the flow of dialogue in case someone tries to interrupt
-we need time limits for responses as overly long responses can stifle debate, also the time limit adds an element of pressure that forces people to only present their best material.
-i should start debates with my oldfag account as my newfag accounts cant effect mentions, fuck. Also all HoP's need to be FJ old fags for the very same reason.

all in all brutty gud guys, thanks pebar and akkere for agreeing to this on short notice.
#94815 to #94799 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/29/2015) [-]
Are you sure we shouldn't just casually argue it on the board and then vote after?

Its not like people are going to read the profile-debates anyways. Nor will people actually ever have their minds changed if we just do typical emotional appealing, buzzword-ed debates without facts.
#94822 to #94815 - pebar
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(09/29/2015) [-]
casual arguing just leads to shitposting about jews or immigrants or whatever
#94817 to #94815 - youregaylol
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(09/29/2015) [-]
Nah.
#94803 to #94799 - akkere
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(09/29/2015) [-]
I got a kick out of it and then pebar started driving the insults ;~;
It was certainly an interesting way to think and coordinate an issue just from working on one side of it even if it wasn't exactly a side I'd entirely support
10/10 would master debate again
#94807 to #94803 - pebar
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(09/29/2015) [-]
I thought the hypocrite line was pretty good
but yea, I had fun
#94778 to #94770 - poletacnews
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(09/29/2015) [-]
Representative akkere, you're nearing 30 minutes. In the interests of a speedy efficient debate I advise you to submit your opening statement now.
#94779 to #94778 - akkere
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(09/29/2015) [-]
Huh, strange, the notification bar didn't go off on the mention. Might be because it's a new account
For too long this country has refused to recognize a group of people's rights to happiness. The right for two consenting adults to come together in matrimony has been hampered by the views of narrow-minded individuals, who would only hold back this country in the name of "tradition". I stand here today to combat the notion that two adults who care for each other cannot marry, simply because they are of the same gender. I stand to argue that these individuals should not be denied the opportunity to save a child from the unforgiving foster system through adoption, and that these individuals should have the same privileges of marriage as if they were heterosexual couples. I stand to push today for the homosexual marriage and discrimination protection act, in order to set another corner stone of progress for this great nation. By forwarding this piece of legislation, we can tear down yet another wall of prejudice and move as one against other issues that plague this country, instead of seeking to divide the people based on traditional beliefs.
#94781 to #94779 - youregaylol
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(09/29/2015) [-]
Representative buttthurtpirate is not responding to calls from the HoP, we can only assume he was resigned under duress.

Representative pebar of the Libertarian Party, will you take the floor?
#94783 to #94781 - pebar
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(09/29/2015) [-]
>>#94778, >>#94779,

I take issue with the stance that government should be involved in marriage at all, be it gay or straight. Marriage is nothing more than a private contract between two individuals. Society is not a part of the contract and so society should have no input. If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex. That is your choice. But you do not have the right to tell others who they can contract with.
Incidentally, the same argument applies to polygamy but that discussion is for another time.
Government being involved in the private lives of others is a dangerous road to go down.
But if we assume that government is involved for the sake of protecting the family unit (whether they should or not) then government should allow the maximum freedom to individuals and should allow same sex marriage.

I take issue with the stance that government ought force companies to serve people against their will. Private property is privately owned, by definition. It does not belong to the state. Therefore the property is not the state's to control. This is doubly so for labor. Forcing someone to work against their will through threat of imprisonment (not for punishment) is the definition of slavery. We can assume that slavery is prima facie bad.
Furthermore, freedom of association is necessary for society to peacefully coexist. People must be allowed to peacefully refuse to interact or it will create a great deal of tension that threaten social cohesion and will ultimately threaten our democracy.
Lastly, proponents may claim that the benefit to society justifies violating peoples rights. But economics tells us that business tend not to piss on their customers for financial reasons so any discrimination will be minimal at worst. There would be little affect on a well-functioning society.
#94786 to #94783 - akkere
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(09/29/2015) [-]
And I was prepared to win this mock-debate by default.
My opponent masks his stance as one for the people by referencing my own as one of slavery, as if the anti-discrimination bill is one that forces businesses to hand over their goods. Such notion is a farce, for our legislative package isn't one to enslave the people, but to free them. This legislation is not one that forces businesses to give their goods to homosexuals, but rather has them give the same opportunity of transaction that they would to any other of their ideal customers. By having all businesses be faced with the same expectation, this guarantees that those businesses housed in communities where those of narrow mind are present can safely opt to service homosexual consumers, without worry of being ostracized by the traditionalists. It is self-evident by logic alone that this legislation will guarantee business, not restrict it.

This is not a regulation of price, but a guarantee of opportunity. The only imposement of will that the government places on the businesses, is that they act as proper human beings that reflect the gold standard of personality that this very country emulates, and not refuse their common neighbor simply because they bed with an adult of the same gender. Moreover, this will guarantee that the next generation can see the proper way to view their neighbor by looking into the code of laws, instead of being seduced by the hypnosis ever present with narrow minded views.

I wonder if an intermediary chat system wouldn't be more effective to give the opponent fair chance to read line by line, and then subsequently have the lines pasted onto a post in a thread here on the board
#94789 to #94786 - pebar
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(09/29/2015) [-]
>>#94781,
To free them? You are not free to force others to serve you against their will.
How other customers are treated is irrelevant. Businesses can refuse customers for all sorts of reasons. Some people are disruptive to business, some people are thieves. We may agree that homosexuality is harmless, but their are many people who take a great moral opposition to it. When these people can have their businesses shut down for simply wanting to be left alone, that is a problem.
Also there is no ostracism. If some baker doesn't want to make your gay wedding cake, then go to another baker. Statistically, there will be plenty others who will be happy to have the business. There is no harm to gays here.
The management of business is not the governments concern. There are plenty management techniques that work well but government doesn't force those on companies. Serving gays is no different.

"Proper human beings"? Ask these people who are willing to give up a sizable chunk of their profits what they think of gays. Not everybody has the same sense of morals. By using government to legislate your ideal moral society, you are no different from the traditionalists who would ban gay marriage

you hypocrite
#94790 to #94789 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Oh ho, we have our first taste of name calling, wonderful.

Again, Representatives are asked to reply directly to the HoP, not just a mention, after each comment. It makes things so much neater and clean looking.

Representative akkere, do you have a response.
#94791 to #94790 - akkere
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Do we mention the opposing comment or do we wait for the moderator to mention them so they can count the time?
I do moderator, in fact, I find it telling that the opposing side descends into insult territory. "Not everybody has the same sense of morals", indeed.

Truly, the very reason we hold a code of laws is because "not everybody has the same sense of morals". We recognize that there are people who would seek to deny their fellow man rights and opportunities for their own greater benefit rather than see the ultimate mutual benefit of working with them. So we make a code of laws to ensure that criminals cannot exploit the hard-working, good-natured citizen. In terms of business, these laws can have a great deal of magnitude on efficiency. Health codes might be seen by some efficiency analysts as wasteful, but I think anyone of sound mind can see that they're necessary to ensure the well-being of the worker, the consumer, and the infrastructure of the business as a whole. The same applies for regulating opportunity of transaction - to ensure the infrastructure of the business is at it's best possible point for the chance of all citizens. This is not a regulation demanding the businesses lower prices or give freebies to homosexuals, simply that when they hold a hand out to offer a good, they are willing to take money from anyone so long as they feel safe to do so - and a simple reflection of orientation for adults should not give feelings of danger to anyone.

tfw pebar calls you a hypocrite for a side of an issue you don't support ;~;
#94792 to #94791 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Things are getting heated.

Representative pebar, respond.

also yes the moderator will mention the opposing person for timing reasons
#94793 to #94792 - pebar
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
>>#94791,
Pointing out hypocrisy is hardly an insult but whatever.

-We have laws because it maintains order and allows people to cooperate without having people worry about their safety. Saying people can't discriminate is on a completely different level than laws against murder. In a world of many different belief systems, laws should be designed to accommodate the most. Otherwise you it will lead to a resentment of the law which will degrade society. Laws that allow freedom will accommodate the widest variety of people.
-Health codes may be justifiable due to the variability of uncertainty. People may not know how unhealthy certain things are so there is a lack of information. This is not the case with discrimination so it is also a different type of law. It may even be a good discussion for another time.
-It may not be a freebie from your point of view, but for the business owner, it is a significant moral cost. Prices are just an aggregation of market forces, they do not reflect individual behavior.

So I maintain that for the business, the benefit of the transaction does not cover the cost. Thus by forcing the contract, you create an inefficiency. This is especially true when gays can get their services elsewhere.

Lastly, since I think the discussion is about to get a bit circular, I'd like to point out that setting the precedent of allowing government to violate peoples property rights as well as their right to associate (or not to), leads down the dangerous road to tyranny.
#94794 to #94793 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Yes, I will agree with Representative pebar, this debate is nearing it's end.

Each Representative will begin his closing arguments.

Representative akkere, as you were the first to comment I feel it is only fair to give Representative pebar the last word. Speak the final argument for your bill, and then the Libertarian Representative will respond.

The 15 minute time limit is now extended to 20 minutes in consideration of the closing arguments.
#94795 to #94794 - akkere
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Curses. There is no greater advantage in a debate than a last word.

The horse that is the argumentative notion of "tyranny". How my opponent has beaten you so.
My opponent presumes that the market will guarantee that services will always be available for homosexuals regardless of strife. But what if there simply isn't? And more to the point, what if there isn't when it matters most? Such as in medicine? If a homosexual is afflicted with a sickness that they can only reach one medical facility to in time only to be rejected service when their same-sex partner is the only one available to present insurance information necessary to pay for recovery, should they just be left to die? Even if there were a medical facility nearby that would permit them, what if they simply weren't well equipped to handle the necessary procedure? What if even when they survive the illness, they required a drug to maintain their health, a particular drug that was patented by someone who simply refused to offer to homosexuals, and would rather see them die away?
Is ensuring human beings who've done nothing wrong don't perish "tyranny"?

This legislation is no path down a slippery slope. Assuming so is to believe that this very parliament would allow tyrannies to expand, and to assume that our very own people are mentally incapable of checking their own government to ensure its reach is overextended.
This legislation is merely an attempt at opening the doors of opportunity and make sure that no citizen of this great nation is denied goods and services purely because of their orientation. This is especially the case if the good in need is a medicinal good, or practitional care. The word "tyranny" that my opponent uses implies that somehow, this legislation would lead to the government sending jackbooted thugs into businesses, taking away their goods and services for low prices or even free, and leave the business a disheveled mess. That is the proper scenario for tyranny, and I assure you nowhere in this bill will there be an allowance for such a terrible thing to happen to the businesses that support this country.

The point of this legislation is very clear. To establish a fair ground of opportunity for the homosexual community of our nation; both in matrimony, and in business. There is no demands that businesses keep their prices low for homosexuals, only that when they advertise a product, they intend to sell to all who match their price. If they wish to raise the price, then we wish the price is applicable to all who buy the good or service at the time, and not be used on a discriminatory basis.
There is no tyranny; only opportunity.
#94796 to #94795 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Indeed, but someone must have it.

Representative pebar, your closing argument?

The 20 minute time limit applies to you as well, of course.
#94797 to #94796 - pebar
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
>>#94795,
There is little controversy here about whether gays should be allowed to marry so I would expect everyone will vote accordingly.

-However, there is a disagreement on whether private businesses should be allowed to discriminate against gays. Or to bit it differently, whether businesses reserve the right to not serve customers for whatever reason the wish.
-There are two separate arguments against this legislation. The first is property rights, which I have mostly argued here this evening. This says that the company is owned by the owner, not by society. This means that it is the owner who decides how the business ought to operate. If society has a claim on other people's property, that is a dangerous road to socialism and the destruction of society.
-The second is freedom of association. In the same way that free speech allows us to voice opinions that other people may find offensive, freedom of association likewise should allow us to associate, or not associate, in ways others find offensive. These freedoms are necessary for society to functions, especially in a democracy.

My opponent claims that business suffer no harm by treating gays just like any other customer. While this may be true in terms of money, it is not true in terms of costs that people consider when making decisions. We may sometimes forget that businesses are made up of people, each with their own sense of values. On an individual basis, these people DO suffer a great cost when they are forced to violate their morals.
Voluntary trade is exante mutually beneficial. If it were not, then the trade would not take place. Trade therefore leads to efficiency. Forced trade however is no guarantee that both parties benefit.

To reference my opponent's closing arguments specifically, while there is less consumer choice in a monopoly market, that still does not change the fact that private property is a right, and by forcing involuntary business, you are violating that right. Furthermore, gays are not the only customers. There are plenty of other people who would be more than willing to boycott companies they don't like. Business owners know this so they do face a very strong incentive to not discriminate. Monopolies are most often big companies that face high barriers to entry. For a company like this to function, it must be managed properly so you can be assured they will not discriminate.

spousal insurance is just an unfortunate way marriage and tax law is currently set up, that is not discrimination

>Considering a sizable chunk of this parliament is composed of natsocs, I wouldn't disregard the possibility of tyranny.
>The economy runs on trade: private people voluntarily exchanging things. It is not run on the government force people to provide things.

My opponent references fairness...
but I ask you to consider: is some vague notion of equality more important than the individual rights that are the foundation of a well-functioning society?
#94798 to #94797 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Some biting closing arguments coming from both sides.

But I'm afraid that is the end of this session of debate. The floor is now closed.

I would like to thank Representative pebar of the Libertarian Party and Representative akkere of the Centrist Party for their time.

PARLIAMENT WILL NOW COMMENCE ITS VOTING PHASE

From now until 5pm Central Time all current members of the Parliament of Poletac will vote on whether to pass Representative akkeres legislation, or reject it in accordance with the arguments of Representative pebar.

Thank you, and Glory to Poletac!
#94806 to #94798 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
In case you guys are to dumb to understand this to vote you'll type "I vote to pass the legislation" or "I vote to not pass the legislation" in a reply to this comment.

Yay or Nay will also work

Yay=pass
Nay=dont pass
#94867 to #94806 - feelythefeel ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/30/2015) [-]
Nay.
#94869 to #94867 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/30/2015) [-]
Voting has been over for awhile, look at the top of the page.
#94876 to #94869 - feelythefeel ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/30/2015) [-]
I might be able to be around for two hours early in the day, but the only guarantee I can make is 1 hour from 8-9 PST. Can you get another member of the NSP that'll be around more to replace me in the debate?
#94877 to #94876 - youregaylol
0
(09/30/2015) [-]
If you can arrange it with another member thats fine, but no member is required to argue any initiative you put forward. It's your legislation.

Also if you start a session and you then leave, going over the 15 minute time limit, you will forfeit your legislation.

I'm trying to make this as organized and fair as possible.
#94874 to #94869 - feelythefeel ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/30/2015) [-]
Have you saved it? And is it okay if I'm not online all day?
#94875 to #94874 - youregaylol
0
(09/30/2015) [-]
No, since its your proposal you remember it. Before the debate starts you can send me a quick one to two sentence summary of what it is and I'll describe it before I introduce you, then I'll let present your opening statement which I suggest you prepare for before hand as its pretty important and there will be 15 minute time limits.

Just give me a general time frame when you're available , debates usually will last 2 hours im thinking with the 15 minute time limit, no breaks either. It will basically be just like this debate here.

I'm going to be busy tomorrow as well so keep that in mind. Also try to make your proposal interesting and/or controversial as this is a testing phase and its easier to get people to argue with you if its something intriguing.
#94871 to #94869 - feelythefeel ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/30/2015) [-]
Also you didn't mention me.
#94873 to #94871 - youregaylol
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(09/30/2015) [-]
I didn't mention anyone besides the people actually involved in the debate.
#94870 to #94869 - feelythefeel ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/30/2015) [-]
kk sorry. I made a new bill, is it okay?
#94872 to #94870 - youregaylol
0
(09/30/2015) [-]
Just noticed it. Do me a favor and just delete it for now, I'll set up a debate with someone for you soon and you can discuss it.

The final game isn't ready to be released just yet.
#94851 to #94806 - thekame
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Nay
a
y
#94853 to #94851 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
sorry bruh, your vote was late and wasn't counted, not that it mattered much.
#94839 to #94806 - schnizel
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Nay
#94837 to #94806 - redandgreen
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Nay.
#94842 to #94837 - anon
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
wow, really?
#94843 to #94842 - redandgreen
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Really.
#94834 to #94806 - akkere
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
We of the Centrist party have communicated and have decided to change our vote.
We abstain.
We have no strong feelings one way or the other.
#94828 to #94806 - ablueguy
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Nay.
#94829 to #94828 - ablueguy
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Wait, am I still in the parliament?
#94830 to #94829 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
yessir
#94820 to #94806 - dehumanizer
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Nay i'm probably too late thoough.
#94821 to #94820 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
5pm central time is like 6 hours from now bud.
#94826 to #94821 - dehumanizer
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
when was the vote opened tho
#94827 to #94826 - youregaylol
0
(09/29/2015) [-]
around midnight, 12 hours ago
#94823 to #94821 - dehumanizer
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
central mongolian time or what?
#94825 to #94823 - youregaylol
0
(09/29/2015) [-]
UTC 0600, North American Central time bruh

#94818 to #94806 - klowserpok ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Nay.
#94816 to #94806 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
probably should do this on a new thread.

Nay
#94813 to #94806 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Nay
#94810 to #94806 - anon
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Yay.
#94811 to #94810 - jewishcommunazi
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
It's me.
#94809 to #94806 - mixednuts
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Yay
#94808 to #94806 - akkere
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
I vote to pass the legislation This is just a test right? It won't actually go through? Will my central integrity be called on this? Oh jeez

Something something opportunity, something something.
#94805 to #94798 - pebar
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Nay

since this legislation asks for too much, I cannot support everything. There will be plenty of other chances for gays to be allowed to marry, without such a broad bill.
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#94755 - buttthurtpirate
Reply +4
(09/29/2015) [-]
akkere - centrist

alimais - Nat Soc
youregaylol - Nat Soc
feelythefeel - Nat Soc
ablueguy - Nat Soc
joshlol - Nat Soc
schnizel - Nat Soc
dehuminzer - Nat Soc
shekelnator - Nat Soc

buttthurtpirate - Nat Con

klowserpok - Monarchist

redandgreen - Dem Soc
thekame - Dem Soc

valeryia - Commie
jewcommienazi - Commie
shiny - commie

zaxplab -libertarian
kanadetenshi - libertarian
pebar - libertarian

mixednuts - liberal

So I couldn't use the paint all option, I just went full autism and colored them all in quickly myself.
#94812 to #94755 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
But we haven't even voted yet.
#94814 to #94812 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
.....?
#94824 to #94814 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
You colored the seats but we haven't even had an election yet to determine the seats.
#94831 to #94824 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
lol wut, I thought we were doing it this exact way...
#94838 to #94831 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
How the fuck is it democratic when seats aren't based on votes?
#94840 to #94838 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
I thought the whole point was to base it on users and their party of choice, which is inherently democratic.
#94841 to #94840 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
There are lurkers, anons and people who aren't interested in joining parties but can still vote.
#94858 to #94841 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Having lurkers and anons vote wouldn't work from a game mechanic standpoint, also the probability of them staying with the game is extremely low, I dont even want to try tracking down every anon who votes and trying to figure out voter fraud.

Also this a Parliament simulator, not an election simulator, voting on who would actually be representatives isn't what this game is about. We're all representatives.
#94861 to #94858 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
psst psst, its impossible to argue with an anarcho capitalist. it hates everything about the state so no logic applies.
#94844 to #94841 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
....lol...yeah like im going to let newfags and anons vote. Good one
#94845 to #94844 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Then i'm out of this political game, if we're not allowing free speech then i'm not interested.
#94846 to #94845 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
....r u retarded? you expected anons and newfags to vote?

did you not see the list? what the fuck did you honestly expect?
#94895 to #94846 - redandgreen
Reply 0
(09/30/2015) [-]
I agree about anons but why wouldn't new people be allowed to join a party?
#94899 to #94895 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/30/2015) [-]
because oldfags and people who have proven they can come on regularly can vote

there is no telling with newfags, nor any trust given. The only reason you're actually in is because I needed to fill 20, you're pretty newfag understand that being a new/oldfag is a spectrum, not a line as well.
#94847 to #94846 - kanadetenshi
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Not interested in arguing any further.
#94848 to #94847 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
ok, your out then. I'll replace you with someone else.
#94801 to #94755 - Zaxplab
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
uh. That's a lot of red you got there.
#94766 to #94755 - akkere
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
I made a cleaned up version if you'd like
Also, do we want to keep the header of /pol/ Parliament or rename it to /politics/?
Photoshop autism is the best autism
#94769 to #94766 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
filthy communists missing 2
#94772 to #94769 - akkere
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
:^]
#94771 to #94769 - akkere
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
whoops, i'll patch it up
#94768 to #94766 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
>12 centrist
sav dat problem akkere, u little deceiver
#94767 to #94766 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
its good either way. dank u
#94763 to #94755 - joshlol
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
looks good
#94759 to #94755 - poletacnews
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Jesus thats alot of red
#94764 to #94759 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
and black :^ )

I decided to give a little diversity. And since I don't really see myself as a socialist.
#94761 to #94759 - shekelnator
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
cuz we aint cucks
#94684 - klina
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
So, worst comes to pass -> World War 3, a war of religion.

Where will you be, and what will you be doing?

Me, I'll probably either 1. join the military as a sniper to shoot muslim cunts or 2. If I'm able, run off to some far eastern country, aiming at Japan or S. Korea, but w/e works.

wbu
#94735 to #94684 - youregaylol
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
Probably dead and/or a pile of nuclear ash.
#94743 to #94735 - klina
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
RIP
#94731 to #94684 - klowserpok ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
Go north, take over a resort maybe?
#94744 to #94731 - klina
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
walking dead style?
#94746 to #94744 - klowserpok ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Maybe
#94696 to #94684 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
>ww3 starts
>half the world being nuked or in war
>drive 1000 km north to shithole NobodyLand with lots of forest and fresh water

safe as fuck tfw
#94736 to #94727 - buttthurtpirate
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#94745 to #94736 - klowserpok ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
like I'm one to talk though, all of Montreal its seems will be voting lib or ndp
#94750 to #94745 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
As you can see, my neighborhood is literally surrounded by autists. That is how you know that I live in a good one.
#94757 to #94750 - klowserpok ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
If I remember correctly... isn't Thornhill also a thoroughly Jewish neighbourhood, or was it another one?
#94758 to #94757 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Yes. I've mentioned that multiple times. Its an upper-middle class, Jewish russian neighborhood
#94760 to #94758 - klowserpok ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Ah, thats who you are, ok.
Now that I think of it, the only places that might really vote conservative in montreal are the predominantly Jewish areas (except the one with the Hasidic Jews, who like the NDP, usually)
#94702 to #94696 - klina
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
bruv, you're in NA, you're safe as fuck

the only people who would nuke that continent would not be against neither USA or Canada, since it's only Russia and China that would do that, and they'd probably align with USA on a quasi-friendly basis since it'd be muslim vs everything else pretty much

I mean sure you could do that for doubling down on safety, but imo you should be safe
#94707 to #94702 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
Honestly the amount of nukes in total can cover every piece of land on the Earth. So if a real East vs West nuclear war happened. Everyone would die, even people who survived the nuclear warfare magically because of the atmospheric change from launching every single one.
#94717 to #94707 - klina
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
The only nukes I can see falling are in the middle east. I really can't see USA ever letting nukes reach them, doesn't the USA have an anti-missile frame that's like, the most advanced or some shit? And like I said, I see 0 reason why the big nuclear power countries would in any time soon fight each other

I meant WW3 in an official sense, in practise, I imagine it'd be a whole bunch of countries fighting around the middle east and some parts of europe
#94723 to #94717 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
I agree, I don't buy into the nuclear war scare too. Only leftist hipsters and ignorant people do.
#94738 to #94723 - klina
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
ikr, and let's get real here, the only reason why these countries have nukes, is to have political power, they're not meant to be used
#94700 to #94696 - feelythefeel ONLINE
Reply +1
(09/28/2015) [-]
>BC
>just drive to northern BC interior
Breath that mountain air.
#94734 to #94700 - klowserpok ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
>BC
>WW3
Enjoy being a mountain man in the Chinese Peoples Republic of Canada
#94788 to #94734 - feelythefeel ONLINE
Reply +1
(09/29/2015) [-]
Mountain men resistance FTW
#94694 to #94684 - shekelnator
Reply -1
(09/28/2015) [-]
i would save people from every religion who dont have the right to die without going out and behaving like a twat who have a bastard redneck father such as you.
#94698 to #94694 - klina
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
i literally can't understand what you just said
#94709 to #94698 - buttthurtpirate
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
He's an arab from kuwait. The discussion ends there.
#94712 to #94709 - shekelnator
Reply +1
(09/28/2015) [-]
no u filthy juden stay away!
#94720 to #94712 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
kek
#94722 to #94720 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
DONT LISTEN TO HIM HE IS A SECULAR JEW!! in fact he is my best fuckboy who is below my authority in another board
#94728 to #94722 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
I think I might be part jew.

I like free shit.
My nose is big.
I love money.
I make a note to save money in every part of life - turning off all lights that are not needed, using low wattage bulbs, underclocking my PC.

I think I might be part Jew, or maybe I'm trans-jewish.
#94730 to #94728 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
i should remind Hitler he missed holocaust Macedonian jews.
#94747 to #94730 - klina
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(09/29/2015) [-]
There weren't a lot. By some accounts, there are less than a couple hundred Jews in Macedonia today, which is like, 2.7~ mil.
#94751 to #94747 - shekelnator
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(09/29/2015) [-]
what do you think of Todor Aleksandrov?
#94753 to #94751 - klina
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(09/29/2015) [-]
cool guy, don't afraid of anything, fought for macedonia and bulgaria
#94726 to #94722 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/28/2015) [-]
shhhhh
#94701 to #94698 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
neither do i. but carry on with your non-Islamic ISIS-like edgelord propaganda
#94704 to #94701 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
not propaganda, I'm just poking to start a discussion, I haven't been able to go out with friends and talk about this shit lately so I wanna argue online
#94711 to #94704 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
AND YOU CHOOSE THE RIGHT PERSON TO AGUE WITH!

As i see you are Macedonian according to your own profile. me and you share local enemy called pooreconomicalistan aka Greece. let us invade it and restore the occupied Macedonian parts and Muslim part
#94719 to #94711 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
I'm a pacifist at heart, but I am quite pissed at the whole situation. I do agree Greece is a dick country in general, they've been treating us with disrespect since our establishment and our side has done nothing but try and compromise.


Fking dick munchers.
#94725 to #94719 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Greeks are what we called reversed Jews. anyway i am syrian and i understand the situation of these fleeing terrorist supported to Europe. i guess now you know why assad barreled bombed the protesters
#94732 to #94725 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
I ain't got nothing against Syria or any country for that matter. What I have a problem with, is cunts walking into MY living area, and shitting on my carpet, and telling me my carpet doesn't look good without shit on it.

Nigger, I will literally open your chest, and shit inside your lungs. They look better that way.
#94737 to #94732 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Deport them.
#94742 to #94737 - klina
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(09/29/2015) [-]
ah, my friend, if the power to make such actions lie in the people, we wouldn't have this issue today
#94748 to #94742 - shekelnator
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(09/29/2015) [-]
Then the problem is your government tbh
#94752 to #94748 - klina
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(09/29/2015) [-]
yeah but here's the issue

1. I am not a natural leader or w/e to fulfill the role of an instigator and create a public revolt that could make a difference
2. I am not fit to be a politician so I can't make a difference there

The only thing I can do, is what I do - I talk to people and try to raise awareness as much as I can so that maybe people in better positions than me can do something about it. I also make a note to vote on all elections for the best possible candidate, as little as that does.

#94756 to #94752 - shekelnator
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(09/29/2015) [-]
-pats pats pats-
i feel you bro. but when there is a national conflict in the country and the government isnt giving a fuck then it is time to move out and stop controlling. if insisted on staying grab them and drop them on boiling water, feed them to the swines and feed the swines to the lions and the remaining carcass feed it the scavengers.
#94773 to #94756 - klina
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(09/29/2015) [-]
fukken brutal
#94687 to #94684 - pebar
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Dispelling Myths of Long Range Shooting & the Sniper Fantasy
#94689 to #94687 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Why are you linking this to me?
#94691 to #94689 - pebar
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(09/28/2015) [-]
>join the military as a sniper to shoot muslim cunts
#94692 to #94691 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
I don't see your point, it's not like I said I'll be a movie-like sniper that goes and never misses and has a 500 killcount.

I have naturally steady hands, I'm physically weak but can endure a lot of time in shitty positions since that's all that I can do.

Of course, I expect that being a sniper is at least to some extent safer than being in the infantry, but still. If you're trying to tell me that being a sniper isn't the movie vision that is presented by Hollywood, I am well aware.
#94706 to #94692 - pebar
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(09/28/2015) [-]
being a sniper is not safer than infantry.....
#94708 to #94706 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
a person who's entire job is to remain unseen and take out targets from long range is not safer than a person who's job is to fight close-quarter skirmishes?

I'd ask you how, but I'm guessing you'd say something smug like "go back and watch the video i linked u hurr durr"
#94714 to #94708 - pebar
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(09/28/2015) [-]
snipers go into the heart of enemy territory, with no help nearby
their primary job is recon
#94718 to #94714 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
isn't that called a spotter?
#94724 to #94718 - pebar
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(09/28/2015) [-]
no... snipers work in teams.
Spotters collect information that's important to long range shooting like windspeed, effects of temperature, and such. They also help with followup shots since their mode of vision isn't shaken by recoil.
they're also really the only help a sniper will have on long missions
#94733 to #94724 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
still sounds safer than being in the fray
#94739 to #94733 - pebar
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(09/28/2015) [-]
not all infantry are front line units
#94741 to #94739 - klina
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(09/29/2015) [-]
well, you've made me re-think my options, even though I'm still heavily leaning towards being a sniper as my most suitable military position

maybe a tactician or something relating to planing? I'm physically inept, have a bunch of health issues and shit, so I'd suck at being a brutish fighter
#94765 to #94741 - pebar
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(09/29/2015) [-]
even snipers have to go through basic
they most likely have to go through even harder survival training

if you're physically weak, the military won't want you
#94659 - poletacnews
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(09/28/2015) [-]
ATTENTION

We now have a FAQ/ rules sheet typed up.

/user/poletacnews/2#2

I also put a sticky on each party profile so you can reference this whenever you want.

Go check it out, comment on any improvements, yadda yadda.

First session should be underway very soon so get ready and start forming your agendas and opening speeches, one will be presented for each party.

#94690 to #94659 - feelythefeel ONLINE
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Where in the Balkans is Poletac?
#94688 to #94659 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Yo, I wanna be up in this shit, what I gotta know? I read the thing you linked already, where are the parties etc? Who are the members? Can I have an example of a legislature proposition for reference?
#94716 to #94688 - poletacnews
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Define yourself politically, some parties are bigger than others and I dont want to add more to already big parties.
#94740 to #94716 - klina
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(09/28/2015) [-]
I am a pacifist, will try diplomacy before resorting to force.

Pro-choice, legal light drugs, against open carry, but guns are easily accessible with permits, gays are people too, same goes for other LGBT people, separation of religion and state (no days off for your religious events, but religions are free to practise what they want when they want etc.)

that enough or should i do more
#94749 to #94740 - poletacnews
Reply 0
(09/29/2015) [-]
Eh, wait until we get at least pass our first session and I'll consider it.
#94754 to #94749 - klina
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(09/29/2015) [-]
sure, I'm not ultra hyped for it and I won't be a bother, if you need me, you can find me
#94676 to #94659 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/28/2015) [-]
are you sure you guys arent taking this too far?
#94695 to #94676 - poletacnews
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
Is it even possible to got too far with a meaningless forum game.

I mean the worst that can happen is we just give up on it.
#94649 - damnjuden
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Daily reminder to gas the taigs
#94667 to #94649 - kanadetenshi
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(09/28/2015) [-]
I feel like this is meant to be a satire of Jewish conspiracy but i can't help but not be surprised that people would believe this.
#94670 to #94667 - redandgreen
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Just a troll.
#94658 to #94649 - pebar
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#94650 to #94649 - damnjuden
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#94652 to #94650 - damnjuden
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#94653 to #94652 - damnjuden
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#94644 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/28/2015) [-]
www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/28/trump-unveils-tax-plan-that-would-lower-taxes-for-millions/

Trump haters and libertarians BTFO.
-take away fed taxes for poor
-lower taxes for everyone else
-close corporate tax loopholes
#94663 to #94644 - kanadetenshi
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(09/28/2015) [-]
His proposal is basically a populist rip-off of Jeb Bush's.

I'll admit it's much better than when he tried to be a progressive butthole but this has it's own problems. One is that abolishing income tax for the lower class is pretty much useless because Income Tax is paid mostly by higher earners. The lower class suffers more from Payroll tax than income tax. Plus with his support of more progressive gov spending programs tax cuts will likely not help balancing the budget.

I'm supportive of tax cuts for the poor and rich but the US needs to focus on it's spending habits.
#94674 to #94663 - buttthurtpirate
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Think of it this way: less taxes forces less spending.
#94629 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
ok /pol/. this place is more boring than a talking baboon. and kinda more deader than disco itself. Let us have some "FUN"
#94664 to #94629 - kanadetenshi
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#94660 to #94629 - mixednuts
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#94665 to #94660 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
OH FUG
#94641 to #94629 - klowserpok ONLINE
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#94642 to #94641 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
so who is a jew in your family?
#94645 to #94642 - klowserpok ONLINE
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(09/28/2015) [-]
>me
>a kike
#94651 to #94645 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
>no multicultural marriage.

oy vey goy u anti semide!
#94654 to #94651 - klowserpok ONLINE
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(09/28/2015) [-]
>implying a frenchman marrying an Irish woman isn't multicultural
#94655 to #94654 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
beat me goy. this is me tbh
#94661 to #94655 - valeriya
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(09/28/2015) [-]
That's more fun then compasses.

Turk
#94666 to #94661 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
NO IM NOT TURK
#94681 to #94666 - klowserpok ONLINE
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(09/28/2015) [-]
TURK
#94683 to #94681 - shekelnator
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#94668 to #94666 - valeriya
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(09/28/2015) [-]
YES. YES YOU ARE.
#94669 to #94668 - shekelnator
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#94671 to #94669 - valeriya
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Never, turk. Can't trust them turks.
#94672 to #94671 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
S T O P
T
O
P
#94673 to #94672 - valeriya
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Can't even trust turks to admit they're turks.
#94675 to #94673 - shekelnator
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#94678 to #94675 - valeriya
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Soo, when are you going to explode?
#94679 to #94678 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
i aint shitskin. go visit KSA
#94680 to #94679 - valeriya
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(09/28/2015) [-]
The chart says otherwise I see a 100% shit skin there, Turk, mixed with some syrian, Jordanian mixed with Lebanese, yup shit skin. How have you not noticed this, look at your own arms.
#94682 to #94680 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
The idea of shitskins / arab is like the idea of nigger / black.

or maybe you are a newfag to generalization?
#94685 to #94682 - valeriya
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Is this just a way of you coping with your turkish blood?
#94686 to #94685 - shekelnator
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#94656 to #94655 - klowserpok ONLINE
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(09/28/2015) [-]
And how many of them were brother/sister?
:^)
#94657 to #94656 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
NAH. my family dont act like a shitskin. we only mary Levantinians people away from the relatives and family. my future wife will ether be a christian or a jew. i guess the pic is proof enough.
#94646 to #94645 - damnjuden
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Gas the taigs, potato war now
Cromwell should have finished the job
#94647 to #94646 - klowserpok ONLINE
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
Whats your deal man?
I don't get it...
#94662 to #94647 - redandgreen
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Don't feed the trolls
#94648 to #94647 - damnjuden
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(09/28/2015) [-]
No one with potato in their genes could be smart enough to get it, taig sheepfucker
#94636 to #94629 - Zaxplab
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Do I get to be aryan now?
#94637 to #94636 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
shlomo plz! you are supposed to be shilling with your shills above in the right.
#94639 to #94637 - Zaxplab
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#94635 to #94629 - damnjuden
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Irish did 9/11
#94632 to #94629 - anon
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(09/28/2015) [-]
We had one 2 weeks ago
#94633 to #94632 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
was here
#94630 to #94629 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Before
#94631 to #94630 - shekelnator
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(09/28/2015) [-]
Now
#94638 to #94631 - pebar
Reply +1
(09/28/2015) [-]
>leftist
#94640 to #94638 - shekelnator
Reply 0
(09/28/2015) [-]
Sorry Haji, gotta support Greater Syria