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#112838 - feelythefeel
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(04/11/2016) [-]
I'm playing a game of Vic2 Ultimate in which I'm the dominant superpower as India, and I'm currently fighting a world war to dismantle the only major German state left. This world only gets worse and worse the more I play it.
#112839 to #112838 - unforgivensoul ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
mw2 best game ever
#112804 - lotengo
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Sorry to interrupt your clickbait and theism's muslim apology tourl. But Ted might be dead soon.

>The rat's Canadian roots is coming back to haunt him
>Cruz falsly swore that he was Natural Born when he was actually Naturalized (there is a difference) in order to gain ballot access
>Whether or not a Naturalized citizen can still run is not the debate it's that TED LIED
>New Jersey saying he's not eligible to be on the ballot
>New Jersey will hold disqualification hearing tomorrow morning
>If Cruz is disqualified, he may also be disqualified in California, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Oregon, South Dakota, and Washington
>Don't expect the establishment to go down without a fight. Expect a shitshow. Get your popcorn.
>"Shieeet. We should have dropped our anchor in Vermont." --Ted Cruz' Mother


www.northjersey.com/news/fight-over-cruz-s-ballot-eligibility-moves-to-courtrooms-1.1515140

www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ted-cruz-risks-primary-disqualification-in-new-jersey-other-late-primary-states-charges-professor-victor-williams-300248565.html
#112847 to #112804 - theism ONLINE
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(04/12/2016) [-]
Sorry I disrupted your safe space.
#112906 to #112847 - lotengo
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(04/12/2016) [-]
Im fine with that, more worried about all the other muzzies disrupting all public spaces withtheir suicide bombings
#112907 to #112906 - theism ONLINE
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(04/12/2016) [-]
Sorry I hurt their feelings.
#112908 to #112907 - lotengo
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(04/12/2016) [-]
its more about hurting my continent
#112909 to #112908 - theism ONLINE
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(04/12/2016) [-]
I'll try to be more sensitive. I understand you're a delicate snowflake.
#112910 to #112909 - lotengo
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(04/12/2016) [-]
its more about the people and the buildings around me that can die or fall over when you crash commerican airliners into them
#112911 to #112910 - theism ONLINE
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(04/12/2016) [-]
I'll be sure to preface all my comments with a trigger warning so as not to offend you.
#112912 to #112911 - lotengo
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(04/12/2016) [-]
Just make sure you dont trigger your AK's when in the province of Brabant, but feel free to shoot up Amsterdam, i know its in your ¨¨¨culture¨¨¨
#112913 to #112912 - theism ONLINE
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(04/12/2016) [-]
Can I get a link to your tumblr so I can read up on all your triggers?
#112822 to #112804 - asotil ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Cruz is ineligible, there is no debate on the matter

Rules clearly state you must be born in the US, he is Canadian born. Establishment is twisting the rules now in a last ditch effort
#112833 to #112822 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
>there is no debate on the matter

the courts disagree with you
#112824 to #112822 - redandgreen
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(04/11/2016) [-]
The US Constitution doesn't say that. It says "natural born citizen" and doesn't define the term. John McCain wasn't born in the US either but he was deemed eligible due to his parents being US citizens.

"The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 'natural born' citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship 'by birth' or 'at birth,' either by being born 'in' the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship 'at birth.'"

www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf
#112825 to #112824 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
I thought McCain was eligible due to Panama being US territory at the time?
#112831 to #112825 - redandgreen
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(04/11/2016) [-]
It was an unincorporated territory which made it a bit more complicated. There was an Act of Congress in 1937 which should have made it clear but it was still controversial.

McCain is also just one example, Mitt Romney's father George was born in Mexico and ran for the Republican nomination.

The controversy about Cruz is just people grasping at straws.
#112832 to #112831 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Why focus on this when he's the zodiac killer?
#112835 to #112832 - redandgreen
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(04/11/2016) [-]
lol true, that should get him disqualified.
#112808 to #112804 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
the sites I see say that one guy filed a charge
it didn't prove he lied
many courts have already ruled he is eligible

this is not news
#112806 to #112804 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Still not sure what's the big deal in having to be born in America in order to become President, what's the issue if he's born somewhere else but raised in America?
#112809 to #112806 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
because the constitution says so
Cruz was a natural born citizen because his mother was an american
#112811 to #112809 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
The constitution also outlawed alcohol for a while. Maybe i don't get it as an American but for me it's just an useless piece of paper.
#112826 to #112811 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
The constitution is the law of the land, so unless this provision is overturned Cruz wouldn't be able to legally run for president (If he's not a natural born citizen).
#112827 to #112826 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
I know, i just think it's stupid.
#112828 to #112827 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
We need a code of law and the constitution is built to be changed. It actually makes quite a bit of sense.
#112829 to #112828 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
No i mean the whole needing to be murrican born part.
#112830 to #112829 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
If you can contact the Supreme Court you might try to convince them to change it.
#112814 to #112811 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
wait..... did you just call the constitution useless?
#112817 to #112814 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
It's as useless or useful as the people backing it.

If the law system is overtaken by anti-constitutionalists and constitution-supporters do nothing about it, then it is rendered useless.
#112815 to #112814 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
It pretty much is, nobody follows it properly, includes authoritarian ideas such as eminent domain and can be used to include authoritarian ideas like prohibition. If anything the constitution is the opposite of freedom.
#112816 to #112815 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
It's a mix of both. Don't bash the entire thing as being the opposite of freedom when only part of it has been used that way.

Read the Bill of Rights (First 10 amendments) and tell me that part is the opposite of freedom.
#112818 to #112816 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
If it includes things that are not in line with freedom, then it's not for freedom. And the fact that these 10 amendments can be abolished also proves that. If it was meant to limit government it's been the worst attempt ever.
#112820 to #112818 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Obama Supporters Sign Petition to Repeal the BILL OF RIGHTS to Support the President The constitution was create as it was because of a debate between the federalists and anti-federalists, arguing whether or not how big government should be. It's not perfect because there was a lot of disagreement and compromises were made.
The bill of rights was one of the compromises.

one of its biggest flaws is the commerce clause which courts have greatly expanded beyond its original intent. At the time, economics as a field of study was not well understood. Adam Smith's Wealth of nations was only just published. So the interconnection of economic activities was hidden.

There was a court case, I for get which one, which said if you grow your own wheat for your own personal consumption and have no intent to sell it, the federal government can still regulate it under that commerce clause because by growing your own wheat, you reduce your own demand for other people's wheat which affects the economy.
It was fucking stupid, and I blame the courts entirely for the bastardization of the constitution.

So I do agree that it's not perfect because it allowed our current government to be created. But a written document that establishes what a government can and cannot do, and has a body to oversee this, is a solid principle.

Government would be FAR worse without it. We have people getting arrested for unpopular opinions, like what's seen in Europe.
#112813 to #112811 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
the constitution banned alcohol with an amendment, then it took another amendment to repeal it

it would take a constitutional amendment to allow foreigners to become president
and to do that, you need a a 2/3 majority in both the house and senate to propose a change or one other thing that almost never happens, and i can't think of a time when it did
and then it needs approval from a majority of 38 out of the 50 state legislatures

so it's a hard process and it's virtually impossible with controversial issues
#112805 to #112804 - canyou
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(04/11/2016) [-]
I don't think Trump winning by default will do much for his popularity.
#112801 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Hulk Hogans Theme Song  Real American
#112800 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Does yourgaylol still make his cringey webms?

Where is that cuckold anyway?
#112797 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
#112799 to #112797 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Does anyone know who that cum stain is?
#112786 - unforgivensoul ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Why shouldn't minimum wage be at least increased so it can be tied to inflation? The value for work has actually gone down since lets say 1968 because minimum wage hasn't been increasing with inflation, a minimum wage worker is actually making LESS money than before?

Shouldn't this be enough to increase the minimum wage? Especially since the productivity of min-wage workers related to revenue has gone up drastically too.
#112807 to #112786 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
The issue is controlling inflation, not wages.
#113024 to #112807 - unforgivensoul ONLINE
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(04/13/2016) [-]
So what's your opinion on controlling inflation? I'm looking for a specific answer with a specific number in mind if you have one.
#113034 to #113024 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(04/13/2016) [-]
Well let's stop printing money and balance the budget for one, that in itself would help lower the inflation rate significantly.
#112810 to #112807 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
the cost of living, like housing and food, is rising faster than inflation
I still say it's government fault, but inflation is a real economic term and people just throw it around
#112803 to #112786 - canyou
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(04/11/2016) [-]
I'm conflicted on the issue. I understand regulations are generally inefficient, but at the same time they're important to protect those who can't protect themselves. Probably best to leave it up to the state.
#112796 to #112786 - figatron
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Skill requirements in the labor market have changed and the modern economy requires more advanced skills. In 1968 a milkman or a guy working in a manufacturing plant would have no problem providing for a family given the living standards at the time. Now though modern jobs require technical skills, computer skills. And the average person is much more educated now, driving the demand for unskilled high school educated people way down.

That's ignoring the fact that 80%+ of people earning the minimum wage are unexperienced students who do not support themselves.

Tldr people are generally paid what their labor is worth, minimum wage is a shitty idea let's not make it shittier.
#112793 to #112786 - drastronomy
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(04/11/2016) [-]
I will not elaborate, but accept that these economic principles are true and you will figure out the rest:
>Labour is one of the factors of production
>When labour prices rise, it costs more to produce, hence less is produced, meaning either layoffs or shut-downs
>On a macroeconomic level, this leads to a negative shift in the long run aggregate supply, and due to decreased employment leads to a negative shift in aggregate demand
>National output is reduced, likely at the cost of inflation as well, and the working class are worse off than when they started
#112795 to #112793 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
statistically, the inflationary effects of the minimum wage are negligible
#112812 to #112795 - drastronomy
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Source?

Furthermore, i would also argue that higher wages would incentivise moving production to cheaper countries
#112834 to #112812 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
many states have been raising the min wage significantly lately, but inflation is still well under 2%, the fed's target rate

inflation is deals with the entire economy, not just certain industries, and not certain groups of workers
#112928 to #112834 - drastronomy
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(04/12/2016) [-]
Again, source? Cannot seem to find any.

I would also argue that a massive change in the working class labour force would lead to inflation
#112791 to #112786 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Because the equilibrium real wage is equal to the marginal product of labor
this is true for all competitive labor markets
To set the wage above the equilibrium means companies have to reduce total labor demanded so that marginal product increases

Inflation does as you say, it reduces the real value of the minimum wage. But this cures the damage caused by it. In 1950ish when the minimum wage was raised sharply to account for the inflation caused by WW2, white teen unemployment doubled to 20%; black teen unemployment quadrupled to 40%. Teen unemployment numbers are still that high today.

It is historically true that white and black unemployment rates used to be equal before the government imposed price controls. Anti-discrimination laws that mandate that a black person be paid the same as a white person has had the exact same effect on the black labor force. Even among non-min wage workers, black unemployment is virtually double. This has not always been the case.
#112790 to #112786 - PopcornViking ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
$15 is too high but we could probably get away with it being $11-12
#112788 to #112786 - seniorawesomesauce
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Perhaps it should- and in some states it should go up larger than in others (depending on property values and the general value of the dollar). However, doubling the minimum wage on the federal level is not the way to do it. Places like New York, or California, or Oregon/Washington might need a higher minimum wage than say Colorado, or Utah, or South Dakota. And if the Federal Government were to just say "every state needs 15$ minimum wage and you can't do anything about it" It'd do a lot more bad than good.
#112792 to #112788 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Jay Austins Beautiful Illegal Tiny House You could just as easily increase property values by making it virtually illegal to build new houses or apartments. This can be done by government protection of certain land for environmental reasons. This is what California does which is one of the reasons it's so expensive to live there.
You can have the same effect by zoning regulations which directly restricts new buildings.
This is another major reason why big cities like NY or LA are so much more expensive.

Houston does not have zoning and it's so much cheaper to live there.
#112769 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Is there any policy or scenario that has a realistic chance of becoming reality, that you would support open violence to prevent?
#112798 to #112769 - mixednuts
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(04/11/2016) [-]
I don't think I could really blame anyone if there's any riots at either convention this year.
#112794 to #112769 - drastronomy
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Hi FBI

In all seriousness, if there was some sort of OPEN BORDERS NOW FORFEIT EVERYTHING FOR MULTICULTURALISM bullshit, i would probably revolt.
#112789 to #112769 - undeadwill
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(04/11/2016) [-]
A pandemic causing super bug.
#112787 to #112769 - unforgivensoul ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
American embrace of multiculturalism instead of assimilation
Devastating Hawkish foreign policy
Companies meddling in the affairs of government so much that it has a huge effect/scandal because of it
Federal assault weapons ban
Unprecedented federal expansion of private property like farms (wink wink)
#112784 to #112769 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
America globlay funds multiculturalism and open boarders movments in Europe.

America has Isreal on its side so that does have a realistic chance of becoming reality.

Fight back from the American Jew World Order? They won in 1991.
#112778 to #112769 - marinepenguin
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(04/11/2016) [-]
The forced multiculturalism movement. Say theoretically Hillary wins the Presidency and start bringing in hundreds of thousands of these refugees and some set up camp in my area, I wouldn't accept them very quickly, especially if they were causing issues like we're seeing in the EU.

Anything else I don't see as being a possibility.
#112779 to #112778 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Are you saying you'd attack refugees if they were violent and disruptive or you would attack refugees if they showed up in your neighborhood?
#112780 to #112779 - marinepenguin
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(04/11/2016) [-]
If they were violent and disruptive.

If they came here, minded their own business and showed effort in assimilating into the local culture to a degree, then I would have zero problems. Although it seems like around the world they aren't doing as such.
#112781 to #112780 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Would you attack the people being disruptive or any refugees?
#112782 to #112781 - marinepenguin
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(04/11/2016) [-]
The people being disruptive. Obviously I would begin to become prejudiced towards them if it was bad enough.
#112783 to #112782 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
That's a natural if unfortunate reaction.
#112777 to #112769 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
The entirety of western civilization being cucked to muzzies.
#112776 to #112769 - Zaxplab
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Taken our gunz away.
#112775 to #112769 - canyou
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(04/11/2016) [-]
The second amendment was built in just in case of a government tyranny.

Other than that, ugh, maybe Jesus coming back and forgetting about me? How dare he?? I'll take it out on the local orphanage once I spend all my money at the strip club.
#112770 to #112769 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Absolute tyranny.
#112771 to #112770 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
>realistic chance of becoming reality

also be specific - full communism, nazism, saudi arabia theocracy, "the corporations control everything, man"
#112772 to #112771 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Anything could happen in the next 50 years, full scale world War etc. And the specifics really don't matter.
#112773 to #112772 - pebar
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(04/11/2016) [-]
let me rephrase the question
is there scenario that a significant number of people support, but you oppose so much you would support violence to prevent it
#112774 to #112773 - theism ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
I guess probably any use of nuclear weapons.
#112764 - seniorawesomesauce
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(04/10/2016) [-]
"Missy said her daughter, who is in Grade 3, was choked on Monday and Thursday last week by two refugee boys. A chain was used on both occasions, but she cannot confirm the size or strength of the chain. She said one boy yelled “Muslims rule the world” while choking her daughter. School staff intervened, but to her knowledge, the students were not disciplined further."

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Story was initially posted on the Chronicle Herald, but was taken down and heavily edited because people complained that it was racist towards the poor refugees

thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1355424-this-story-has-been-removed-chebucto-heights-bullying-worries-parents

Canadians are now seeing why America doesn't want refugees. But hey at least Trudeau can balance himself on his thumbs!
#112785 to #112764 - anon
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(04/11/2016) [-]
Kill the right wing rats.
#112765 to #112764 - whoozy
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Are you still a brony?
#112766 to #112765 - seniorawesomesauce
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(04/10/2016) [-]
I like to shitpost if that's what you mean.
#112767 to #112766 - whoozy
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Going by your profile image I assumed very little has changed.
#112768 to #112767 - seniorawesomesauce
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(04/10/2016) [-]
yeh
I liked shitposting then
and like shitposting nwo
#112750 - canyou
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Who would win in a fight?

2,000 Donald Trumps vs 1 magma
#112823 to #112750 - asotil ONLINE
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(04/11/2016) [-]
what degree is the magma
#112761 to #112750 - Zaxplab
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Who would win in a fight?

469 super-delegates or Bernie Sanders.
#112762 to #112761 - canyou
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Did you know that 469 delegates looks nearly identical to a small bird on a podium?
#112746 - anon
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#112744 - anon
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#112735 - anon
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Why do only Jews and Americans hate Putin?
#112756 to #112735 - theism ONLINE
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Most people hate Putin.
#112745 to #112735 - anon
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Because he threw a wrench in the jew plan to fuck up Syria
#112737 to #112735 - anon
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(04/10/2016) [-]
NatSoc's get asshurt at his revival of the USSR.
#112718 - anon
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Watching this interview with the vice-president of the EU commission

Europe must accept Diversity or face War Timmermans in EU Parlmt No more Nation States

And then this video

Diversity is a codeword for white genocide

Was /pol/ right?
#112717 - anon
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Latte Liberal Gets an Earful Rick Scott supporters create an attack ad for some lady who yelled at him in a coffee shop.
#112715 - pebar
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Cruz is gaining so much ground on Trump

contested convention is virtually guaranteed
Trump will not be the nominee
#112763 to #112715 - seniorawesomesauce
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(04/10/2016) [-]
idk. I feel like there's still a yuge chance. I rummaged through a delegate calculator and following "expert predictions" on the remaining states put him at like 1,170. Adding personal taste (like him winning all 95 in new york, winning over 100 in cali, winning a few more in oregon & washington) put him at ~1,220. That's definitely enough wiggle room to just "negotiate" for the remaining ~20 uncommitted delegates.
#112753 to #112715 - unforgivensoul ONLINE
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Trump's already won dummy.
1) Either he finishes with half+ or wins the convention

OR

2) Cruz steals from him in the convention and Trump runs 3rd candidate because of the out-rage created
#112742 to #112715 - theism ONLINE
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Imo Cruz is worse than Trump.
#112752 to #112742 - pebar
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(04/10/2016) [-]
that's because you're a leftist and if it weren't for immigration, Trump would be running as a democrat
#112843 to #112752 - garymotherfingoak ONLINE
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(04/12/2016) [-]
>trump
>democrat
>ever
#112844 to #112843 - pebar
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(04/12/2016) [-]
look at his actual policy positions besides immigration
look at him before he started his campaign
#112979 to #112844 - garymotherfingoak ONLINE
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(04/12/2016) [-]
you may have a point with the latter
#112755 to #112752 - theism ONLINE
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(04/10/2016) [-]
You should think before you assume things.
#112754 to #112752 - theism ONLINE
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(04/10/2016) [-]
That's because Cruz is a dominionist and religious radicals holding office kind of sucks.
#112757 to #112754 - pebar
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(04/10/2016) [-]
besides abortion, how would that make a difference?
#112758 to #112757 - theism ONLINE
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Lgbt, war, I'm sure it informs his fiscal and foreign policies and honestly I just don't want religious radicals in power.
#112759 to #112758 - pebar
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(04/10/2016) [-]
due to the supreme court, gay marriage is now constitutionally protected; as for other things, businesses should not be fined into the ground for wanting to be left alone

sure he's a bit of a war monger, nobody's perfect, but I don't see what that has to do with him being religious. His fiscal and foreign policies I don't see how religion affects those either
#112760 to #112759 - theism ONLINE
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(04/10/2016) [-]
His religion encourages members to gain political power to steer the country in a certain direction. I don't like any direction evangelical Christianity could steer this country.
#112736 to #112715 - anon
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Trump is a meme.
#112713 - feelythefeel
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(04/10/2016) [-]
I'm just going to avoid 8/pol/ for a bit. It seems to be going through another slidefag phase, where every comment is some mongoloid complaining about how bad the board's being slid (Even though there's nothing worth sliding that hasn't been stickied).

It's better to be paranoid than apathetic, I suppose.
#112703 to #112696 - youregaylol
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(04/09/2016) [-]
Good to know the leftist champion of the working man enjoys making blue collar workers lives 100x more difficult.
#112747 to #112703 - anon
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#112692 - feelythefeel
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(04/09/2016) [-]
The government and the media are so worried about asking "How do we stop Trump?" that they never bothered to ask "If we hate Trump so much, how did we fail the American people so badly that he seems like the best option they've got?".
#112675 - feelythefeel
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(04/09/2016) [-]
ITT: We get together and bust myths we were all taught growing up by Bernie-tier communists. For example,

"NASA spent millions on developing the ball-point pen. The USSR used pencils."

Although this is technically true, it's usually said with the sneering sense of faux superiority that only a communist sympathizer can possess. The truth of the matter is that graphite pencils posed a very real risk to the lives of astronauts and the success of space missions, as the graphite tended to break off and get caught in major systems, such as life support. The USSR, being the backwards hellhole that it was, wasn't terribly concerned with this, as even astronauts were expendable. The most valuable potential loss to them was the cheap pieces of shit that they were sent up in. Of course, NASA was of another mind, and sought a safer alternative. Keep in mind, digital information storage had just recently been conceived in the back of a "reading is fun" library van, so jotting things down real quick into a .txt was out of the question.

The result of this effort was the ball point pen. It uses ink, like a quill, but was used like a pencil. Mass produced, efficient, and most importantly, it doesn't have a thirst for astronaut blood.
#112708 to #112675 - akkere
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(04/10/2016) [-]
>Although this is technically true
No, no it isn't actually. NASA didn't spend shit on researching a ballpoint ben; an independent company developed it and came to them and sold it for about the same value as a fancier gel pen: a little less than $3 a pen, for 400 pens. I.E. Not even close to a million even if you counted for inflation twenty years from now.
www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
www.spacepen.com/
If you look into the technology behind the pen itself there's no way any facility of research worth their staff's doctorates could come up with a convoluted research operation requiring millions, because most of the compounds behind the pen - conjunction to the mechanical concepts behind its design - weren't newly developed as a result of the endeavor in the first place.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Pen#Technology

I don't know who came up with the first "NASA spent millions on developing a pen" chain email, but I really hope they get kidney stones every day for the rest of their life. The story of the space pen is one of cooperation and mutual benefit and it's utterly mudded away.
#112684 to #112675 - unforgivensoul ONLINE
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(04/09/2016) [-]
"How about we spend less on NASA and more on social programs on freaking Earth"

These are the most intolerable type of people for me. The easiest way to make me hate anyone is to utter the words of "defund NASA". These retards don't have the ability to think long-term or realize how significantly NASA/space technology has affected our lives. We need to increase the NASA budget 10 times, not decrease it.
#112716 to #112684 - anon
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(04/10/2016) [-]
Pointing them to the medical developments by NASA is usually good enough to shut them up. But of course there are the extra-stupid ones this won't work on.
#112707 to #112684 - PopcornViking ONLINE
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(04/10/2016) [-]
i agree with you on that
#112688 to #112684 - marinepenguin
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(04/09/2016) [-]
Oh Jesus that always gets me.