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#125674 - anon
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Why do nationalists fear winter.
Is it because they lost in Russia?
#125671 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
what is with Erdo-MEME?
#125679 to #125670 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
K
Still not a justification to throw non violent people in jail which destroys families and lives

Meth, heroin, and cocain should also be legal. Individual health effects have nothing to do with it.
#125682 to #125679 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Sure thing bro

Guess you're going to let your children use heroin as they pleass
#125688 to #125682 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Why would I do that?
Do you think the government should have a parental role in society?
Do think one person should use the force of a gun to dictate how a different family raises their kids?
#125689 to #125688 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Absolutely. You don't "own" your children.
You're not allowed to kill them
You're not allowed to give them lethal drugs

What you're essentially saying is that you want extremely addictive poison to be sold legally.
I wonder how many of the thousands of additional drug addicts you create will stay non-violent. Running out of money generally means they resort to theft and violence. After all they become a slave to the drugs.
#125693 to #125689 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Sounds like it would be better to treat an addiction like an addiction and not a felony
#125695 to #125693 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
You're a libertarian
You don't treat addiction

You let people die in the gutter as you said yourself
#125696 to #125695 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
If someone wants to***
Can you read?
#125699 to #125696 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
I can read just fine

Tell me as a libertarian, how are you going to treat addiction if not with tax dollars? Heroin addicts sure as hell can't pay for it.
#125702 to #125699 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
You could spend a tiny fraction of the amount that is currently being spent housing the largest prison population in the world
#125704 to #125702 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Tax money then?

We'll see how tiny that fraction becomes when hard drugs are sold like candy.
#125708 to #125704 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
You still need a customer base.
You said yourself, it kills people. Who would choose that?
#125710 to #125708 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Lots of people already do even though it's illegal.

Just imagine what would happen if it was sold at wall mart and advertised on TV. You would destroy thousands of people.
#125683 to #125682 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Drugs destroy families and lives
#125685 to #125683 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
3 strike laws which send people to prison for life in already overcrowded prisons is worse
#125686 to #125685 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Too extreme in my opinion, but I have little pity for people that do drugs

Supporting cartels and destroying communities. I'm glad it's cracked down on harshly
#125690 to #125686 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Prohibition directly benefits cartels by shutting down competition.
Gangs fighting for monopoly power because they exist outside the normal economic system accounts for over half the country's murder rate
#125691 to #125690 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
You replaces the cartels with violent meth addicts instead

Well done
#125694 to #125691 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
And what about AAALLLLLLLLL the non violent casual users who didn't do anything to anyone?
#125697 to #125694 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
A fair point to make if we were talking about weed

Casual users of heroin or meth? Even wealthy people gets reduced to homeless thieves. It's a reason that shit is illegal. It kills you
#125698 to #125697 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Get shot for wearing the wrong color hat in the wrong part of town also kills you
#125701 to #125698 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
As far as I'm aware shooting people is illegal as well.

Guess we should legalise that as well.
#125703 to #125701 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Killing other people =/= killing yourself
#125705 to #125703 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
You made the bad comparison, not me

Giving addicts drugs is essentially killing them. They've lost the ability to resist.
#125707 to #125705 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
It's still their decision though
Drunk people still CHOOSE to drive and they are still liable even though alcohol impairs judgement
#125709 to #125707 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Believe it or not, but some people are not suited to make their own decisions.
It's comparative to providing the mentally ill with knives.

The comparison to alcohol would be fair if it was as dangerous as the substances we're talking about, but it's not even close.
It's also key to remember that alcohol is legal only because of it's history. If it were invented as a drug today it would be instantly outlawed.
#125720 to #125709 - marinepenguin
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(09/04/2016) [-]
So how do you decide when someone can't make their own decisions? Who gets to decide what their decisions should be?

That's a pretty slippery slope.
#125737 to #125720 - whoozy
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(09/05/2016) [-]
When they're self harming, extremely addicted, can't take care of themselves etc.

Those decisions is made by professional psychiatric institutions.
#125692 to #125691 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Replace*
#125681 to #125679 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
You know, I can barely, just barely, get the arguments to why weed should be legalized.

But meth and heroin? Really nigga?
#125684 to #125681 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
It's not your life
If someone wants to die in the gutter, let them. That's their decision.
#125711 to #125684 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Gee, I wonder what happens when people become addicted to drugs. Oh right, they are not able to hold a steady job. They're still addicted though, so they have to get the money to buy their drugs. How do they get the money for the drugs? They commit crimes or they lend the money from mobsters. So it becomes society's problem.

Not to mention a person addicted to drugs is not in control of his life, so it's pretty redundant to say it's his choice.

Why is that libetardians are so willing to sell heroin to schoolchildren? It must take a special moral flaw to not care about the wellbeing of your fellow man.
#125731 to #125711 - theism
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(09/04/2016) [-]
The same could be said about alcohol.
#125734 to #125731 - thumbfortrump
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(09/05/2016) [-]
People can drink a glass of wine or a can of beer a day and easily be succesful people.

There are little to no people who smoke a joint a day and are succeful.
#125736 to #125734 - theism
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(09/05/2016) [-]
Care to back that statement up in any way at all?
#125739 to #125736 - thumbfortrump
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(09/05/2016) [-]
It's self-evident.
#125744 to #125739 - theism
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(09/05/2016) [-]
In other words no.
#125750 to #125744 - thumbfortrump
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(09/05/2016) [-]
In same words, it's self-evident.
#125752 to #125750 - theism
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(09/05/2016) [-]
By the same token I say it's self evident you're wrong.
#125754 to #125752 - thumbfortrump
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(09/05/2016) [-]
k
#125712 to #125711 - pebar
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(09/04/2016) [-]
So treat an addiction like an addiction, not a felony which also ruins peoples chance of holding a good job
#125714 to #125712 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
You can't hold a good job if you're addicted to heroin.
#125658 - whoozy
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(09/04/2016) [-]
#125660 to #125658 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Starbound Apex music machine and Sunlady
#125656 - canyou
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#125629 - shekelnator
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(09/03/2016) [-]
explain this you filthy goyim
#125657 to #125629 - uglychino
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(09/04/2016) [-]
So you're saying I should f vote for my pops Gary Long Cock Johnson
#125661 to #125657 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
never vote to anyone
#125662 to #125661 - uglychino
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Not even to fit in? Or cause it doesn't matter unless you have tons and tons of guns, fields ,and matter.
#125663 to #125662 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
democracy now is a snake with 2 heads. in the end if you cut one head the other will bite.
#125664 to #125663 - uglychino
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(09/04/2016) [-]
You mean like everywhere
#125632 to #125629 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
I see nothing wrong.
#125633 to #125632 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
(((thumbfortrump)))
#125634 to #125633 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
What does that mean?
#125659 to #125634 - theism
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Neon nazis put ((())) or echo parentheses around Jewish names.
#125665 to #125659 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
If only I took that as an insult then.
#125655 to #125634 - PopcornViking
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(09/04/2016) [-]
I think he thinks you're Jewish
#125636 to #125634 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
noob. LURK MOAR
#125637 to #125636 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
... I guess
#125639 to #125637 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
google ((()))
#125677 to #125639 - anon
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Hitler wasn't German he was an Austrian cuck.
#125640 to #125639 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
how the hell do I google that
#125642 to #125640 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
with your dick pressing the keyboard keys at the search bar.
#125618 - thumbfortrump
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(09/03/2016) [-]
www.rt.com/news/358167-putin-erdogan-g20-relations/

And with the flick of his wand, Putin made all the Russiaboos forget the immense hatred they had towards Turkey just months ago. Truly magical.
#125628 to #125618 - shekelnator
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(09/03/2016) [-]
9/11 is ocming soon. will you join and celebrate? or join with the ones who did it :^)?
#125631 to #125628 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Are you asking if I will join the terrorists or join the terrorists? What?
#125635 to #125631 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
9/11 coming soon. let us all celebrate of 6 continues year of USA supporting alqaeda!
#125638 to #125635 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Since when did you have a problem with supporting terrorist organizations?
#125641 to #125638 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
since when USA goes and support terrorist organization.?

OH WAIT im being sarcastic
USA is already a terrorist organization .
#125643 to #125641 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
That's rich coming a country infested by terrorists.
#125644 to #125643 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
hey atleast you dont have kuwaiti rapefugees amirite?
#125645 to #125644 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Do I really ned to dig up your comments months back where you hated Erdogan and Turkey like no one else?
#125646 to #125645 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
WHAT? cant someone have free speech and support ethnic cleansing? jeee.
#125647 to #125646 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Do you or do you not admit that you currently love the guy that you a few months back hated for supporting ISIS and being against Assad.
#125648 to #125647 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
im actually confused about this. you know and i wont lie, i sometime feel i better not to support anyone and leave this place forever and ever. but something inside me telling me this is not the right choice and i better jump off the fence. something is telling me to: choose your side faggot.
#125649 to #125648 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Exactly, choose your side. If you have principles, you stand by them. Erdogan supported ISIS, he wanted to dethrone Assad. Putin was against Erdogan for so long, and suddenly he is trying to make friends with him?
Don't you think that is just a little bit off?

Why do you believe that Putin wants what is best for you, when he is currently becoming good friends with the snake Erdogan.
#125650 to #125649 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
that shit goes for Dune coons, ISrael, US, UK, Germany, France and more shithole. are we even digging into deep conspiracy?
#125651 to #125650 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
I have chosen my country's side. I believe Trump wants what is best for my country.
But if he starts doing the opposite of what he said he would which I doubt then of course I wouldn't be his supporter any more.
Following a politician blindly can only lead to bad things.
#125652 to #125651 - shekelnator
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(09/04/2016) [-]
no US president can save anything they are all nothing but mere puppets. but i will give the west a last chance and see if there is some goodness left in western politics. or else others will have to take their step on their own.

im tired of all this shit man. this is not the world we are told about. this is not the exact thing we are taught about.
#125654 to #125652 - thumbfortrump
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Trust me, I get tired of the state of the world all the time. Everywhere I look, things are getting worse. Good people struggle, while selfishness thrives. We put ourselves before our fellow man, and as such, we are all doomed to suffer.
But no matter the obstacles, we never stop fighting for what is right, never stop moving forward. That is the ultimate duty of men.
#125653 to #125652 - thumbfortrump
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#125616 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/02/where-did-donald-trump-get-his-racialized-rhetoric-from-libertarians/

Is the Washington Post really trying to pin racist undertones on libertarianism and individuals like Ron Paul?

I can at the very least say that the libertarians of the early 20th century who were writing about Lincoln being wrong and the south deserving an apology was die to their belief that the South had every right to leave the Union and that Lincoln had no right to initiate the use of force against them, violating the NAP. Criticism of the North or Lincoln isn't racist.
#125623 to #125616 - theism
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Pretty flimsy support although there is something to be said for how the alternate right seemed to mold from pseudo libertarianism in favor of Ron Paul to a more nationalist approach under Trump.
#125625 to #125623 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I've personally seen the Ron Paul individuals tend to have been more supporting of the Sanders movement than the Trump movement. I don't personally believe the two movements to be connected in most ways.
#125627 to #125625 - theism
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Ron Paul did have quite a bit of support from groups that would come to form the alternate right. I'd imagine it's due to disaffected somewhat conservative youth looking for a candidate not from the establishment.
#125630 to #125627 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
That I could agree with.
#125620 to #125616 - thumbfortrump
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Washington Post lost its credibility a long time ago.
#125622 to #125620 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I didn't take them seriously before, but this was one of those "are you serious?" Moments.
#125598 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
>when Killary tells the truth
#125587 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
>he's not a communist! he's a social democrat
Because that isn't literally what the Russian peasantry said about Lenin and Stalin. Do these people really think that the Russian Soviets explicitly set out to create the most despotic and murderous dictatorship in the history of the planet Earth from the get-go? Reality check, socialist democracy was originally on the itinerary there too. Whenever a Socialist takes power, you either end up with a dictatorship like China, or a ridiculously corrupt and ineffectual democracy like Venezuela.
#125676 to #125587 - anon
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(09/04/2016) [-]
The Nazis made the worst dictatorships in history not the Russians.
#125619 to #125587 - thumbfortrump
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Anything that has the word 'socialism' in it is for weak people.
#125602 to #125587 - valeriya
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Whenever a Socialist takes power, you either end up with a dictatorship like China, or a ridiculously corrupt and ineffectual democracy like Venezuela.

Ignorant plebs thinking they know history. Many a time a democratic socialist party has been elected into power and given it up because of this thing called democratic traditions. (See Britain in the 1930's and in 1945) The case of Venezuela and latin america having center left governments is because for years the US intervened in their domestic affairs (Literally imperialism, propping up right wing dictators to fight revolutionary communists)

Mfw this thread



#125604 to #125602 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
>being elected is the same as taking power
#125605 to #125604 - valeriya
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Through your use of semantics you just managed to demolish your own argument, since chavez was always elected, legitimately. Good job kid. Violent revolution or democratic election you still take the reigns of a country and thus power.
#125607 to #125605 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
At least, not in an election that doesn't evoke images of "100% turnout, 100% support for the CPC".
#125606 to #125605 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Hitler was elected multiple times, if you want to go there. Also, sauce please. I don't believe that Chavez was elected.
#125609 to #125608 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
My mistake, I mistook Chavez for someone else. Socialists can at occasion be elected and surrender power, but when they take power they have an awfully bad track record of letting it go. When they don't let it go, you get China or the Soviet Union. When they do let it go (Or at least technically remain open to theoretically letting it go), it's in a backwards and broken system like Brazil or Venezuela. Socialism is not a good recipe for a healthy Democracy, if such a thing can even exist in the long term.

As a final note, someone who agrees with Hitler isn't altogether likely to activate Godwin's law.
#125610 to #125609 - valeriya
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(09/03/2016) [-]
GIF
This is the thing with working entirely with your own ideology, you turn a blind eye to facts. Socialists can at occasion be elected and surrender power They've been elected hundreds of times in Europe and given up power when they lose their mandate, attempting to hold onto it would be unprecedented in europe, which currently has quite a healthy democratic tradition I do not imagine Hollande declaring a dictatorship tomorrow. On the China and Soviet union, neither drew their legitimacy from popular mandate, China today draws it's mandate to rule from economic competence, and handing power down generations (In other words as long as the economy continues to improve and they continue to hand down power things will carry on as they are, democracy is not a thing in China, they have never had a democratic system of government) . The Soviet union drew it's mandate through Military Strength, when that was shown to be weak and the m loyalty of the army came into question. Then it all went downhill. (See soviet war in afgahnistan and the failed coup against Gorbachev.

One thing I think you are misunderstanding is that revolutionary socialists never intend to lose the reigns of a country. Once they have it any act to subvert or take said power is reactionary plain and simple. It risks destroying all the progress made, see Ukraine for an example of a terrible transition -away- from socialism.
Which incase you don't know suffers terribly from corruption, ethno-linguistic tensions, an incompetent government for the past 25 years meaning the economy is still weaker then it was prior to leaving the soviet union.

Another thing you might want to look into is the post war consensus in Europe particularly in great Britain who utilized Keynesian economic theory and established welfare states and state controlled industries into mainstream political action, so much so that in the UK the conservative party kept many industries nationalized until Thatcher. In the US this would probably be decried as socialism, when it reality it was simple pragmatism. "Does it work?" "Yes." "Do it."
#125614 to #125610 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
*modern European Parties that have been elected
#125613 to #125610 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
None of the modern European parties are nearly as radical as Lenin, nor even the modern "Democracy Spring" types. Saying that American socialists wouldn't end up taking power if given the opportunity because European Socialists haven't in a while is ridiculous. Hell, even in Europe they've tried to a good number of times as well.

It doesn't matter where the Mandate comes from in the end, the vast majority of Socialist takeovers initially promise "the most free Democracy in X", but it almost never happens.

Revolutionary Socialists don't intend to lose power, but they sure promise to allow it a lot.

Again, I'm for a relatively lax State Capitalism. I'm completely against Radical Socialist planned economy, however.
#125615 to #125613 - valeriya
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(09/03/2016) [-]
None of the modern European parties are nearly as radical as Lenin, nor even the modern "Democracy Spring" types. Saying that American socialists wouldn't end up taking power if given the opportunity because European Socialists haven't in a while is ridiculous. Hell, even in Europe they've tried to a good number of times as well.
Prove it.

It doesn't matter where the Mandate comes from in the end, the vast majority of Socialist takeovers initially promise "the most free Democracy in X", but it almost never happens. Prove it


Revolutionary Socialists don't intend to lose power, but they sure promise to allow it a lot.
Explain it and prove it.
#125894 to #125615 - feelythefeel
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(09/07/2016) [-]
1.) I challenge you to find a modern successful socialist party in the EU that's half as radical as the Greek DSE.
2.) Lenin promised elections to the Constituent Assembly, which he later closed down at gunpoint before declaring the non-elected Supreme Soviet as the "Democratically Elected Parliament".
3.) The main significant difference between Radical Communism and Radical Democratic Socialism is that the latter makes all kind of promises before they have power, which they are inclined to renege after they take it (Lenin being the best example of the general phenomenon).
#125907 to #125894 - valeriya
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(09/07/2016) [-]
1) See the post war consensus in the united kingdom, democratic socialists literally laid the foundation for modern Britain. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-war_consensus
and
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-war_Britain

2) That's revolutionary socialism not democratic socialism.
3) See two and one, the Labour party in in the UK in 1945 promised to reshape Britain after the second world war, and they did on one the largest mandates in electoral history, since after the first world war the Conservative and Liberal parties in the UK failed to deliver a decent standard of living to returning soldiers with that in living memory. Labour managed to do what they didn't and made the conservative party in the UK move towards the labour party in terms of policy.

Next.
#125908 to #125907 - feelythefeel
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(09/07/2016) [-]
1.) As I've already said, comparing them to Bernie Sanders and Democratic Spring types will get you nowhere.
2.) Democracy was explicitly promised, and it was commonly understood to be the intended result.
#125936 to #125908 - valeriya
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(09/07/2016) [-]
Now you're simply choosing to ignore evidence when it is right infront of you.
#126098 to #125936 - feelythefeel
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(09/09/2016) [-]
kk
#125589 to #125587 - whoozy
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(09/03/2016) [-]
So that's why national socialism sux?
#125590 to #125589 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Nope.
#125591 to #125590 - whoozy
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(09/03/2016) [-]
As you said, whenever socialism gets power you end up with a dictatorship.

Socialist Germany in the 30-40s fit right in. They explicitly set out to create the most despotic and murderous dictatorship in the history of the planet Earth
#125592 to #125591 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I Fart In Your General Direction >National Socialism is the same as Communist Socialism
>the holocaust happened
#125595 to #125592 - pebar
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(09/03/2016) [-]
government control over the means of production and disdain for property rights
vs
government control over the means of production and disdain for property rights
#125596 to #125595 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
There's a difference between relatively lax State Capitalism and a totally Planned Economy.
#125597 to #125596 - pebar
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(09/03/2016) [-]
">he's not a communist! he's a social democrat
Because that isn't literally what the Russian peasantry said about Lenin and Stalin. Do these people really think that the Russian Soviets explicitly set out to create the most despotic and murderous dictatorship in the history of the planet Earth from the get-go? Reality check, socialist democracy was originally on the itinerary there too. Whenever a Socialist takes power, you either end up with a dictatorship like China, or a ridiculously corrupt and ineffectual democracy like Venezuela."

-----You
#125599 to #125597 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Yeah, what about it?
#125600 to #125599 - pebar
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(09/03/2016) [-]
whatever happened to your plan of starting a national socialist club on your college campus

you should follow through with that
#125601 to #125600 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I start next week, and there are no clubs. They cancelled it the year before I started
#125593 to #125592 - whoozy
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(09/03/2016) [-]
As you said socialism is socialism
Doesnt matter whether you put "national" or "democratic" in front of it.
#125594 to #125593 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
This is why English majors don't make for good political scientists.
#125586 - anon
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(09/03/2016) [-]
#125603 to #125586 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(09/03/2016) [-]
doubt.jaypeeg
#125574 to #125573 - thumbfortrump
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Can't read it.
#125575 to #125574 - anon
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(09/03/2016) [-]
"'World in despair over Brexit': Thousands march for Europe in protests across UK"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/03/pro-eu-protesters-join-march-for-europe-demos-around-uk hopefully that works
#125568 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I'll also probably be buying a battle rifle soon. Likely an M1A or FNAR, possibly even a SCAR17 if I can find a decent one for cheap. A 7.62/.308 round may be a bit overkill for home defense, but man they're fun.

www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?item=MA9113
#125577 to #125568 - pebar
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(09/03/2016) [-]
7.62 for home defenses......
>>#125570 is right; you should pick a different caliber
#125578 to #125577 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I plan on owning a lot of weapons, so while the 7.62 is pretty powerful for close range engagements I still want one. And like I said I have a 9mm that I'd most likely use in an actual scenario anyways.
#125576 to #125568 - asotil
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Dad an SKS and an RAA Saiga for home defense, as well as a Remington 800

I'd personally prefer the Mauser 98K but 8mm is expensive
#125579 to #125576 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I'd love to own a Saiga.
#125570 to #125568 - thereasonableperso
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Don't use .308 for home defense. You'll likely end up over-penetrating and that's not good.
#125611 to #125570 - uglychino
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Over penetrating, yeah you don't want to leave holes in your house and your neighbors either.
#125571 to #125570 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I've got a 9mm I'd more realistically use if I was actually defending myself.
#125565 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2825/162-000-refugees-came-to-sweden-494-got-jobs.html

Stuff like this happens when you have a welfare state and essentially open borders, people dont come to contribute, they come to leach. Similar happens in the US.
#125561 - redandgreen
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(09/03/2016) [-]
www.washingtonexaminer.com/aclu-trumps-policies-would-stir-a-legal-battle-unseen-among-modern-presidents/article/2596422

Don't vote Trump if you value freedom or think highly of the US Constitution.
#125572 to #125561 - youregaylol
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(09/03/2016) [-]
>aclu
>caring about individual rights or the constitution

www.aclu.org/blog/speakeasy/heller-decision-and-second-amendment

dont you have a busload or british children to blow up because they wouldn't let you redistribute your 0 potatoes?
#125668 to #125572 - redandgreen
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(09/04/2016) [-]
www.aclu-nj.org/news/2016/04/21/aclu-nj-defends-nj-man-ticketed-flying-trump-flags

Yes, that's the point of the ACLU.

Begin the ad hominem because your safe space is threatened..... Standard Politics board practice.

#125675 to #125668 - youregaylol
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(09/04/2016) [-]
No, it's not, as my source just demonstrated.

Denying reality and then giving me a tear red, typical mongoloid regressive practice.
#125728 to #125675 - redandgreen
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(09/04/2016) [-]
The source I linked is ACLU defending a Trump supporters rights.

You disagree with their interpretation of one amendment, that doesn't mean they don't support civil liberties.

Keep insulting though, got to keep your safe space, right!?
#125738 to #125728 - youregaylol
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(09/05/2016) [-]
The source I linked is the ACLU abandoning the second amendment, the constitution, and civil rights because of partisan hackery. Despite being proven wrong by the supreme court.

You're basically saying that they support civil liberties because they support things you agree with.

In short, you're just stupid. Also your whining is cute. Please keep crying about being oppressed, it really helps your argument.
#125826 to #125738 - redandgreen
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(09/06/2016) [-]
The source I linked is them defending the rights of a right-winger.

The ACLU fought for a different interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and lost.

I'm saying they support civil rights because they support civil rights - unlike you.

In short, your safe space is threatened and you're too stupid to form a coherent argument.
#125840 to #125826 - youregaylol
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(09/06/2016) [-]
Supporting certain rights of a supposed ""right winger" =/= supporting the constitution and civil rights

Lol your argument is so shit. I can easily say that Trump, and apparenlty the Supreme Court in regards to the Second Amendment, just has a different interpretation of civil rights and the constitution than the ACLU.

Stay in your lane. By crying about me insulting you you're literally asking for a safe space. Typical left wing hypocrisy. No wonder your people are white niggers.
#125945 to #125840 - redandgreen
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(09/07/2016) [-]
Right.... So you're saying supporting free speech of the very people you claim they'd be against isn't supporting Civil Rights....?

You have no argument. You're so blinded by your ideology that you can't form one.

Yes, you are the one trying to create a safe space. You're just a less mad version of lulz.
#125947 to #125945 - youregaylol
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(09/07/2016) [-]
I'm saying they cannot support the constitution and civil rights while they oppose the constitution and civil rights. Sorry, I'll try to make it as simple as possible for you.

Not a rebuttal, you don't have one because your argument is shit. Keep whining.

You're trying to create a safe space by crying about me insulting you. You can insult me all you want but I don't bitch, I just shit on you back, and I do it better because I'm smarter than you. Stop blubbering and stop trying to make the board your safe space, sheesh, just grow up.

You're even obsessed with users who aren't here. How sad. You should calm down.
#125953 to #125947 - redandgreen
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(09/07/2016) [-]
They don't oppose the Constitution or Civil Rights, you just aren't bright enough to understand that.
#125955 to #125953 - youregaylol
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(09/07/2016) [-]
Second Amendment is in the constitution, the right to bear arms is a civil right as decided by the highest court of the land multiple times. They oppose it.

You lose. Cry about it.
#125960 to #125955 - redandgreen
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(09/07/2016) [-]
They do support the Second Amendment and the rest.

You're stupid, get some help.
#125964 to #125960 - youregaylol
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(09/07/2016) [-]
They don't though.

Cry some more, your desperation brings me joy.
#125588 to #125572 - anon
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(09/03/2016) [-]
The ACLU has done more for individual rights and the constitution than any other organization, the NRA included.
#125621 to #125588 - anon
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(09/03/2016) [-]
lol what a retarded thing to say. you must be a retard. kek
#125564 to #125561 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
What he claims he's going to do and what he'll actually be able to implement are going to be different things.I think few people actually believe we have the ability or resources to deport 11 million people ignoring legal processes anyways.

Plus having our constitution stepped on by our government recently isn't something exactly new. Our surveillance state regularly violates the 5th amendment while gathering information, which whistleblowers like Snowden have confirmed. not that continuing to do so is right, not am I justifying it
#125669 to #125564 - redandgreen
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(09/04/2016) [-]
So, as Theism suggests 'Vote for this guy, his policy proposals aren't achievable or realistic'?

That sounds like a great approach to choosing a President.

I genuinely do not understand how Americans, who claim to value freedom, have managed to get themselves in a position where they have an authoritarian 'strong leader' type on the ticket. He is actually saying he's going to take freedoms away and you all seem to be good with it.

Absolutely mad.
#125687 to #125669 - marinepenguin
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(09/04/2016) [-]
Again, no. I'm saying that while his wall, for example, is highly unlikely to actually occur, he'll still fight for stricter border security and reduced levels of illegal immigration. Like I said, his broader policy is what I personally like, not that he wants to build a wall.

And while one of my criticisms of Trump is that he's too willing to use the strong arm of the government to trade privacy for security, I think Hillary will be a more damaging President for our rights in the long run. Especially as she doesn't believe that the 2nd Amendment is for the individual.

You tend to really hype up what Trump has said about restricting Muslim's and putting them in a registry, which he's backed up from since last year.
#125566 to #125564 - theism
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(09/03/2016) [-]
"You should vote for this guy because he won't keep his promises."
#125567 to #125566 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
That's a pretty big misrepresentation of what I said and meant.
#125624 to #125567 - theism
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(09/03/2016) [-]
You said, as a positive that trump wouldn't be able to follow through on his claims. How is that different?
#125626 to #125624 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I wasn't saying it as a positive or negative. I was saying it as a realistic observation.

If I voted for Trump it wouldn't be because of his specific policy stances, but because of his broader running platform.
#125556 - asotil
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Has Meme Magic actually gotten too strong? It's now affecting popular culture and has now influenced the outcomes of 2 elections
#125580 to #125556 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Is that real?
#125582 to #125580 - asotil
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Yep. I think it's in Manhattan but I can't remember

I got it from /pol/, an anon wrote the TRUMP WAS HERE the day before yesterday, then yesterday went back and Pepe, Trump and Killroy were there, so he started taking requests. He got 2 and then died
#125583 to #125582 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Kickass. Too bad Google maps almost never updates, it'll be years before we'll maybe see this there.
#125584 to #125583 - asotil
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(09/03/2016) [-]
If that because it'll probably get painted over since Manhattan has sadly turned into a hyper liberal shithole since last I went It would take me maybe 30 minutes to go see this but man fuck getting across the bridge and the tunnel traffic sucks
#125612 to #125584 - uglychino
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Most likely it's in a white ish hood. They mostly don't take down art if white folk don't walk near it.
#125585 to #125584 - feelythefeel
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(09/03/2016) [-]
The world needs to know.
#125562 to #125556 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I thinks it more representative of how powerful the internet has gotten as a tool for communication.
#125550 - schwantz ONLINE
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(09/03/2016) [-]
MFW all the unironic pro-Trump posts
#125553 to #125550 - pebar
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(09/03/2016) [-]
You'd be hard pressed to find someone who's pro-Clinton
Who thinks she not just the lesser if two evils
#125558 to #125553 - redandgreen
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(09/03/2016) [-]
That's the point though, isn't it. Very few people seem honestly pro-Hillary but they're united in their disgust for Trump.
#125549 - anon
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Tim Buckley made enough off of Ctrl+Alt+Dle to quit his job.

Are you still a Capitalist?
#125546 - cantfindausername ONLINE
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(09/03/2016) [-]
I don't know where else to ask about this, but does anyone have any videos of the explosion that happened in the Philippines?
It reminds me of what happened in China last year. You need to login to view this link
#125538 - canyou
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(09/03/2016) [-]
How unfortunate. They managed to find a Clinton laptop that had emails that were deleted but not wiped, but somehow it got lost in the mail when it was being sent to the FBI.

linkis.com/www.bloomberg.com/po/Lqcco
#125548 to #125538 - anon
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(09/03/2016) [-]
The laptop will be found destroyed beyond salvage.
#125541 to #125538 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Just a coincidence I'm sure.
#125569 to #125541 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Redandgreen apparently is #triggered
#125667 to #125569 - redandgreen
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(09/04/2016) [-]
No, it's just a stupid meme.
#125545 to #125541 - anon
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Who needs citations when you have images with impact font on them?
#125554 to #125545 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
Proof is never necessary with memes sir. That's the point of meme magic.
#125543 to #125541 - shekelnator
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#125544 to #125543 - canyou
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(09/03/2016) [-]
)))(((
#125547 to #125544 - anon
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(09/03/2016) [-]
(Y)
#125555 to #125547 - marinepenguin
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(09/03/2016) [-]
( . Y . )