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#91131 - feelythefeel
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(07/29/2015) [-]
>we might see a resurgence in colonialism in which third world nations voluntarily surrender their independence in exchange for stability
Glory glory hallelujah! The world truly belongs to whoever embraces the nationalist wave!
#91142 to #91131 - mixednuts
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(07/29/2015) [-]
I've seen this around before, but do you have a source?

I find it a little difficult to believe since Michael Sata was a populist social democrat.
#91140 to #91131 - thekame
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(07/29/2015) [-]
The entire comment is ridiculous because the Chinese have already invested more in africa then the western world ever has. With a whole lot less genocides to booth.
#91130 - drastronomy
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(07/29/2015) [-]
Might be more of a philosophy question than a political one, but regardless:

Is it important to have a purpose in life?
If yes, what purpose can atheists/agnostics have that has objective meaning?
If they cannot have objective meaning, does a subjective one suffice?
What if this purpose or the connotations thereof conflict with reality?

A purpose is a means to a final goal - however, should that goal be located in the real, observable universe or is it better to have a promised land to which ones access is secured by kind acts?
#91164 to #91130 - alimais
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(07/30/2015) [-]
Most people aren't really strictly religious anymore and don't devout their life to religion even if the papers say they are Christian.

Most people give themselves a meaning or live thriving for happiness and satisfaction.

Roughly said there are many purposes like in a ant colony, grow, reproduce, care for offspring, and the workers work so it gets better and bigger.

Everyone is only a small part but has his own important purpose.

Feelings of happiness, satisfaction, sadness etc. are side effects

#91165 to #91164 - drastronomy
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(07/30/2015) [-]
So most people should base their existence around petty emotions?`
What if we made a serum that, when ingested, gave you unimaginable amounts of happiness. Would life's meaning reside in a bottle of said serum? I refuse to believe that a such easily attainable goal as "happiness" is as popular as you claim. If it was, everyone would be using narcotics.

I refuse to center my life around joy, regardless whether my quality of life increases or decreases as a result. Yet, i cannot hold any religious faith, as i was never raised to adopt religion. I cannot simply start believing.

That leaves me at a dilemma. If emotions are too banal to base one's life on, which they are, yet religion is an impossibility for me to base my life on, what should my life revolve around?

As of now i have only found self-improvement to be a venue of devotion, yet i know that also is not a real purpose, as i am only exercising, thinking, reading, exercising temperance etc. because it gives me something to strive for. There is no purpose behind the purpose, so the purpose is useless.
#91166 to #91165 - alimais
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(07/30/2015) [-]
>What if we made a serum that, when ingested, gave you unimaginable amounts of happiness. Would life's meaning reside in a bottle of said serum? I refuse to believe that a such easily attainable goal as "happiness" is as popular as you claim. If it was, everyone would be using narcotics.
-Stoners 420

Me too body

If happiness isn't important then why not set certain achievements for your own purpose of life or revolve your life around a ideology and spread it.

Life wants to do something that's why people doing nothing die and have their purpose as compost which lays the soil for new life ,

to live is to do.
#91167 to #91166 - drastronomy
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(07/30/2015) [-]
Setting achievements is exactly what i have been doing, but those achievements have no purpose other than to be fulfilled. Therefore they are, from an objective point of view, worthless.
#91132 to #91130 - youregaylol
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(07/29/2015) [-]
ya, seems like this is belongs on religion

everyone needs purpose
#91133 to #91132 - drastronomy
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(07/29/2015) [-]
Why religion? It applies to ones purpose in society as well, which i think belongs in politics. Also, i want an audience that is not m'ladys or Jebus people
#91127 to #91126 - redandgreen
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(07/28/2015) [-]
Should a Pastor shoot a burglar?
#91144 to #91127 - schnizel
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(07/29/2015) [-]
Yes, anyone should shoot a "youth".
#91245 to #91144 - klowserpok
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(08/01/2015) [-]
They dindu nuffins tho
they was good kids
#91261 to #91245 - schnizel
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(08/02/2015) [-]
didn du nufin
#91129 to #91127 - drastronomy
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(07/29/2015) [-]
Some human life is worth more than others, and if it is due to pure chance that the shot guy was plundering a religious institution, then lady luck is a cruel mistress at times.

If one has fallen to the point that one plunders the places their countrymen hold holy, then they do not deserve the gift of being a part of that society.
#91147 to #91129 - redandgreen
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(07/29/2015) [-]
Shooting them is contrary to the Pastor's religion though, regardless of what you may think about it.
#91159 to #91147 - drastronomy
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(07/30/2015) [-]
Murder is against the pastor's religion. Self defense is not.
#91169 to #91159 - redandgreen
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(07/30/2015) [-]
Killing is under the New Covenant.
#91170 to #91169 - drastronomy
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(07/30/2015) [-]
Yet crusades are still justified.
#91171 to #91170 - redandgreen
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(07/30/2015) [-]
Why?
#91172 to #91171 - drastronomy
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(07/30/2015) [-]
Can you link this "new covanent"? i find nothing against killing
#91173 to #91172 - redandgreen
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(07/30/2015) [-]
The new covenant refers to Jesus and the New Testament.

He's a Christian Pastor. You seriously can't find anything against killing in his religion?


#91206 to #91173 - drastronomy
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(07/31/2015) [-]
I find plenty of rules against murder, but not killing. In any case, christians do not tend to follow the rules by the book. I find it a bit hypocritical, however that is none of my buisiness. If kiling a thief who steals from a church is considered a sin, then the pastor must recompense with his god. However, in my opinion, the action was most likely(i do not know the guy, building off the assumption that he leeches off society and contributes nothing) justified.
#91235 to #91206 - redandgreen
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(08/01/2015) [-]
It's true that thou shalt not kill is intended to mean unjustified killing. It's not quite a prohibition only against murder as defined in modern law.
I should have explained that I meant killing of the thief in this case would have been against the Pastor's religion, in my opinion, and this is what the Pastor seemed to be trying to do.

Separate to whether the shooting was contrary to the Pastor's professed faith - I don't agree with your view on 'leeching off society'. I think that how you might define that is very much based on context - the thief wasn't seemingly threatening life and should have been reported to police and/or held at gunpoint if possible.
The reason I'm concerned about the 'leeching off society' thing is this - It's too easy to get from there to a view that poor peoples lives are intrinsically less valuable. Also, what is valuable to society can change over time, the term leech is very much open to interpretation.
#91237 to #91235 - drastronomy
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(08/01/2015) [-]
Holmes spotted Blue carrying a box filled with electronics taken from the church. Holmes told him to drop the box, but Blue made a quick motion toward him, prompting the pastor to fire one shot from his 9mm pistol, KHOU-TV reports.

Reread it now, and in my opinion it is thus justified.
#91236 to #91235 - drastronomy
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(08/01/2015) [-]
I agree, and under normal circumstances the thief should simply be punished in a prison, as usual. However, considering the cunt is thieving a fucking church, that people hold holy, (i get pissed at this despite being atheist). and also considering the pastor was standing his ground, i see nothing wrong with the situation.

Does that mean i support killing all thieves? No. Does this mean i believe everyone should be allowed to shoot thieves on sight? Under certain circumstances, of which were not clarified in the original context, although i assume the pastor felt the thief was a threat
#91238 to #91236 - redandgreen
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(08/01/2015) [-]
I am Catholic and it makes me angry but the fact that is a Church shouldn't make a difference.

I do agree with you, if the Pastor genuinely felt threatened then it was justified.
#91239 to #91238 - drastronomy
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(08/01/2015) [-]
From an objective angle, no, it should not. However, from the eyes of the members of the society, the crime is much greater than that of petty thievery. It is like the difference between pissing in the streets of some muslim town vs pissing on a mosque - one is relatively normal while the other incites mass anger
#91258 to #91239 - redandgreen
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(08/02/2015) [-]
Yes, I agree.
#91208 to #91206 - youregaylol
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(07/31/2015) [-]
hes a bit retarded, dont speak to him and maybe he'll leave again
#91210 to #91209 - youregaylol
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(07/31/2015) [-]
we already have lefties who aren't retarded though

really if you do a count the number of proud white brothers is pretty small compared to the rest of the regulars

this guys just dumb though
#91211 to #91210 - drastronomy
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(07/31/2015) [-]
You, lulz, schnitzel, and me are all authoritarians.

Redandgreen is a liberal, to a certain extent.

The rest, that i know of are either libertarians or extreme leftists

Calling someone dumb based on their political orientation gets you nowhere. A big part of any society is having diverse thoughts. The day everyone thinks the same, democracy is ruined.
#91212 to #91211 - youregaylol
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(07/31/2015) [-]
You're missing a few comrades, I'll update the list soon when I'm bored.

I'm not calling him dumb because he's a liberal, I'm calling him dumb because he's dumb.

Democracy is already ruined.
#91213 to #91212 - drastronomy
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(07/31/2015) [-]
It is, because everyone is a part of the liberal hugbox on the outernet

I have seen no proof of his lack of intelligence, only that he disagrees with me. I view that as an opportunity for discussion, because disagreement encourages discussion. I would have a hard time discussing anything with people that agree with me.
#91214 to #91213 - youregaylol
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(07/31/2015) [-]
The fact that he believes that the bible doesn't allow self defense should be evidence that hes slow, not even mentioning his past retardation that you apparently don't remember.

It matters little though, given enough exposure to him you'll understand what I'm saying.
#91234 to #91214 - redandgreen
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(08/01/2015) [-]
I didn't say self defence was not allowed by the bible. Your retardation shows in your lack of reading comprehension as well as your fascism.
#91263 to #91234 - youregaylol
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(08/02/2015) [-]
that is the context, it can literally mean nothing else

you are an idiot, sorry
#91317 to #91263 - redandgreen
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(08/02/2015) [-]
No, it isn't. Shooting someone shows intent to kill. Again, get some therapy you insane retard.
#91253 to #91234 - youregaylol
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(08/02/2015) [-]
>pastor uses self defense to kill a home invader
>"Shooting them is contrary to the Pastor's religion though"
>"i never say self defense wasn't allowed"

you're stupid, and you should feel stupid


#91257 to #91253 - redandgreen
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(08/02/2015) [-]
So, quote me out of context and carry on.

You're retarded.
#91128 to #91127 - anon
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(07/29/2015) [-]
Ohh great your back...
#91148 to #91128 - redandgreen
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(07/29/2015) [-]
#91141 to #91128 - anon
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(07/29/2015) [-]
Oh no, my echo chamber is threatened.
#91149 to #91141 - redandgreen
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(07/29/2015) [-]
People complain about feminists and social justice but it turns out Nazis can't handle dissenting opinions either. No surprise!
#91207 to #91149 - drastronomy
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(07/31/2015) [-]
I may be the black sheep among the authoritarians here but i actually like having a different point of view. It fosters discussion and opens up for more views and ideological development.
#91152 to #91149 - anon
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(07/29/2015) [-]
do you enjoy talking to yourself
#91168 to #91152 - redandgreen
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(07/30/2015) [-]
I'm not
#91155 to #91152 - lulzrebornoncemore
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(07/30/2015) [-]
lol
#91118 - schnizel
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(07/28/2015) [-]
This is a good read:
hiddenhistorysecrets.blogspot.com/2008/01/vikings-invade-egypt-in-1200-bc.html
>The North Sea peoples (Atlanteans) were notable seafarers with a fleet of 1200 war ships.
>They invaded and conquered all the Greek states except Athens.
>The story of the invasion of the North Sea Peoples told Solon by the Egyptian priests states that they were repulsed from conquering Egypt by King Ramses III (1200 -1168).
>During the 'Dark Ages' after 1200 BC, there was no writing in Greece. There was only the Egyptian priests recorded history.
>The Aegean culture was destroyed and mixed with the North Sea People.
>The North Sea People broke like a hurricane on the Mediterranean Lands using their iron weapons.
>The Ancient Egyptian Inscriptions and papyrus texts (1220 BC) tell of the invasions of the North Sea People.
>The Palace-Temple of Ramses III, at Medinet Habu shows the mural reliefs.
>On the walls of the palace and the Temple of Ramses III (1200 BC) are his achievements in battle.
#91119 to #91118 - theism
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(07/28/2015) [-]
>blogspot link
#91122 to #91119 - schnizel
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(07/28/2015) [-]
Also nigger you never replied.
#91120 to #91119 - schnizel
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(07/28/2015) [-]
>doubting me
#91121 to #91120 - theism
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(07/28/2015) [-]
You don't?
#91123 to #91121 - schnizel
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(07/28/2015) [-]
Only I can doubt me, you profiligate.
#91125 to #91123 - anon
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#91138 to #91125 - schnizel
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(07/29/2015) [-]
On the next page, he gassed 60 gorriliion bazingalion jews in his oven.
#91099 - youregaylol
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(07/28/2015) [-]
anyone want to go crusade some muslims in the desert with me
#91117 to #91099 - alimais
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(07/28/2015) [-]
Only if I decide "fuck everything"
#91107 to #91099 - byposted
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(07/28/2015) [-]
Do you continue to fantasize about deleterious interference, in foreign affairs, even after having deferred, from the Israeli Foreign Legion?

Those men are compatriots of the multitude of Muslims, who fight, alongside the Popular Defense.

Picture: For it is quite the Holocaust in Hell.
#91106 to #91099 - byposted
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#91102 to #91099 - pebar
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(07/28/2015) [-]
if you buy me a ddm4v5
#91103 to #91102 - youregaylol
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(07/28/2015) [-]
would you settle for a shovel with a knife taped to it.
#91104 to #91103 - pebar
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(07/28/2015) [-]
do I look like a $5 whore to you?
#91105 to #91104 - youregaylol
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(07/28/2015) [-]
ill tape a laser pointer to the knife, final offer
#91097 - klowserpok
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(07/28/2015) [-]
Would anyone mind explaining to me the election going on in the USA?
As far as I can tell the candidates are as follows:

Hillary Clinton
Rand Paul
Jeb Bush
Donald Trump
And quite a few others....
#91078 - anon
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(07/27/2015) [-]
:^)
#91124 to #91078 - billywonka
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(07/28/2015) [-]
can i join
#91086 to #91083 - anon
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I saw the original pic in a cringe comp and the idea came, nothin personnel kid.
#91114 to #91086 - byposted
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(07/28/2015) [-]
That picture predates the Germanic furry. /politics/90428#90428

If those are your captions, you were beaten to making them.

This board needs more people, than me, making OC.
#91113 to #91086 - byposted
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#91077 to #91075 - lulzforeverreborn
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(07/27/2015) [-]
bad meme
#91076 to #91075 - klowserpok
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(07/27/2015) [-]
>that comments section
#91074 - jewishcommunazi
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Is selective breeding of pets animal abuse?
#91096 to #91074 - klowserpok
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(07/28/2015) [-]
No.
#91090 to #91074 - pebar
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I'm leaning more towards yes
there are a lot of genetic diseases among selective breeding dogs
#91085 to #91074 - theism
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Legally, no. Ethically I don't think it bothers them so I'd say it's fine.
#91088 to #91085 - jewishcommunazi
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I find it unethical. I'll just post this video because I don't feel like writing much.
The Bizarre Truth About Purebred Dogs (and Why Mutts Are Better) - Adam Ruins Everything
#91089 to #91088 - theism
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(07/27/2015) [-]
That's an issue with execution not core concept.
#91091 to #91089 - pebar
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(07/28/2015) [-]
if it's bad in practice then the theory is wrong
#91092 to #91091 - theism
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(07/28/2015) [-]
If it's incapable of being practiced properly yes. There are ways to carry out breeding programs that don't involve inbreeding. The fact that dogs exist at all is proof that selective breeding can have good results.
#91069 - alimais
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Erdogan is one kind of a maniac attacking, kurds yes now they also attack the kurdish people in Syria and the PKK while everyone is in the conflict with the IS
#91066 - idindunuffin
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Plans to unveil satanic statue outrages Detroit's religious leaders
>USA
More like USS

seriously Americans wake the fuck up!
#91079 to #91066 - anon
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(07/27/2015) [-]
The statue was made in response to tax-funded unveiling of a Christian-oriented statue if I remember correctly. It was supposed to institute a catch-22; take down the public-funded Christian monument, or allow both. Ministers didn't think the statue would actually go through, so here we are.
#91080 to #91079 - akkere
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Fuck, forgot to login.
#91072 to #91066 - pebar
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(07/27/2015) [-]
what's the problem
#91068 to #91066 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
If people have to pay tax dollars to have someone elses religion be represented on public ground then so should every religion.
#91073 to #91068 - lulzforeverreborn
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Yes I see no cultural problem when this type of freedom exists!

Lately I'm starting to understand that this type of democracy just poisons culture and thus poisons the people. There is no true freedom.
#91064 - feelythefeel
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(07/27/2015) [-]
MFW someone makes a /pol/ cuck thread.
#91065 to #91064 - mixednuts
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(07/27/2015) [-]
did someone say cuck thread?
#91063 - lulzforeverreborn
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(07/27/2015) [-]
/funny_pictures/5626840/Why+gun+control+will+never+work/279#279

DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH, DIVERSITY IS GOOD!
#91032 - anon
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(07/27/2015) [-]
#91004 - jewishcommunazi
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(07/26/2015) [-]
#90988 - pebar
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Sen. Ted Cruz Destroys Mitch McConnell- July 24, 2015 If you haven't seen this yet, it's pretty good.
#91031 to #90988 - youregaylol
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I love to see RINOs get shit on but something tells me this is going negatively effect the republican chances in 2016
#90968 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/26/2015) [-]
How far on the left do you have to be to think the leftist social democrats of the democrat party are right leaning?
How far on the left do you have to be to think the leftist social democrats of the democrat party are right leaning?
#91003 to #90968 - Shiny
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(07/26/2015) [-]
They wear "this is what a feminist looks like" t-shirts made in sweatshops, seeing nothing wrong with this while drinking fairtrade coffee and blogging about gay marriage on their Macbooks.

So yeah, calling yourself a "socialist" doesn't make you one.
#91006 to #91003 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/26/2015) [-]
No because socialism is extreme left. Keynesian economics based on regulation, progressive taxation and big welfare states which the Democratic party continues to enforce are centre-left.
#91030 to #91006 - pebar
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I'm just gonna jump in for a bit to say that Keynes himself was a very free market guy

leftists have just bastardized his ideas to further their own
#91034 to #91030 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Keynes hated capitalism, his economic views are the perfect outline for social democratic policies.
#91038 to #91034 - pebar
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(07/27/2015) [-]
#91007 to #91006 - Shiny
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Big welfare states? The US has SSI and HUD. That's barely shit compared to an actual social democratic state. Also, Keynesianism is unrelated to left or right, to a large extent; social democracy often has laissez-faire markets, actually, and balances them with safety nets. In cases like this, such as the Nordic model, the needle points neatly toward the center.

Socialism isn't "the extreme left" because it doesn't automatically mean "the USSR is gonna disappear you". It's an umbrella term. Maoism would be the extreme left; modest leftism would be, say, democratic socialism. Capitalism is also not the only right wing economic ideology.
#91016 to #91007 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
You know what else neatly points to the centre economic wise? Greece's public spending which was left-wing Keynesianism (Yes unlike you i actually know what Keynesianism is), third position fascism and crony capitalism. The nordic model itself is a system that is going towards failure, the only country actually used as a positive model for this is Norway which completely relies on it's oil reserves.

So yes it is possible to have a welfare capitalist country (because free market capitalism is the only way a country can afford such a thing) but it's incredible fragile, as seen by the European countries that are on the verge of collapse.
#91020 to #91016 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Seriously? You have a perfect example of leftism failing economically, especially with Syriza flipping the bird to their supporters, and you won't even play the card? Suddenly it's centrism?
#91021 to #91020 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Wow you cannot even criticize leftism properly, kinda sad.
#91011 to #91007 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/26/2015) [-]
And you also don't even seem to understand how socialism works. Different types of socialism aren't based on different economic models, but based on different means to get to an economic model. Both Maoists and Democratic Socialists thrive for a socialist authoritarian society but Democratic Socialists like their name suggests do it via Democracy rather than a violent marxist revolution.
#91017 to #91011 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
"Direct democracy advocates strive for authority"

You're just pulling arguments out of your ass now. Exactly what I said: you're calling anything that isn't capitalism REDSREDSREDS, and if someone disagrees, well, clearly everything that isn't their ideology is too capitalist for them.

Sorry, but not everyone is as stupid as you are, nor do I think I'm any smarter than rightists. You seem like you're to American libertarianism what Leon Czolgosz was to anarchism.
#91023 to #91017 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
"democratic socialists believe that the issues inherent to capitalism can only be solved by a transition from capitalism to socialism—by superseding private property with some form of social ownership; and that any attempt to address the economic contradictions of capitalism through reforms will only cause problems to emerge elsewhere in the economy"

Again it's the same views as revolutionary socialists, only via a different less violent means.
#91025 to #91023 - Shiny
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#91028 to #91025 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Are you literally fucking saying that socialists are centre-right?
#91029 to #91028 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
...left. Typo.
#91019 to #91017 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
How exactly is literally explaining the principles of socialism outlined by socialists themselves making me extreme and claiming everything is red? Which is btw a yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman of my actual position.
#91024 to #91019 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Because socialism is just an umbrella term for collective ownership of material wealth. It does not mean COMMIES GON GIT U.
#91009 to #91007 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Not only do you not understand basic economics, you also fail to even separate them from social issues?
#91012 to #91009 - Shiny
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Oh hey, I'm not a capitalist so I don't understand economics. Haha! Haven't heard that one before! I bet I even voted for Obama and am fixated on legalizing weed.

#91018 to #91012 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
No you don't understand economics because you don't properly know what the basics of Keynesian are and why it's left-wing, your poor understanding of what socialism is and your unstable way of even placing different economic policies on a "spectrum"

I know plenty of socialists who at least know some economics.
#91022 to #91018 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Keynesianism is just interventionism. It's not left wing.

Please refer to pic.
#91026 to #91022 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Socialists see Keynesianism and government interventionism as a good way to achieve socialism. Keynesianism is about government regulation of private property making it inherently left-wing, not socialist, but left-wing. That's why socialists push keynesian economic policies.
#91027 to #91026 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
"Socialists use capitalism to achieve socialism because they don't like capitalism"

You are beyond retarded.
#91040 to #91027 - shibe ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
i'm completely at lost, what are you guys even arguing about?

i just came to this board to see if it's still as right as i remembered and i see this pleasant argument going on
#91050 to #91040 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
A narcissistic fucktard that suffers from the dunning-kruger effect accuses me of being a retard because i actually correct his very own political viewpoints that he doesn't understand, then tries to put words in my mouth and makes all kinds of assumptions about me and keeps replying to me when i said that i didn't want to have a conversation anymore.

All because i made these points:

Socialism is an economic system based on social, collective, or state ownership of the means of production
There are different ways to achieve this system which is what different socialist views are based on. They seek the same goal but by different methods
One method of achieving socialism is via capitalist reforms that make it easier for the workers to gain control and private property to become less common (Keynesianism/Democratic Socialism) while another is via a revolution (Marxism)
Capitalism on the order hand is where the means of production is privately owned, so anything that tries to regulate private ownership is inherently anti-capitalist, thus creating a spectrum rather than two fixed polar economic views.

If these sound retarded then i have no idea what to tell you because every political source you'll use is by this definition retarded.
#91058 to #91050 - shibe ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
ok so spending 20 seconds reading this i'll give you my well read, i can say the entirety of social form or revolution at the top of my head, opinion

democratic socialism basically is like "fuck you marxist-leninist fags, the state doesn't help achieve socialism" or something like that?
#91056 to #91050 - shibe ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
ok let me read the wiki article on democratic socialism and i'll get back to you with my professional, well informed opinion
#91041 to #91040 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Some retard has a heterodox concept of the left-right spectrum and is telling me what I believe for me.

I'm bored now anyway so I'm just gonna play my new probably-shitty Telltale game.
#91033 to #91027 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Holy shit are you really this fucking dense? Do you even know how fucking democratic socialism works? Do you even know how private property works? Do you even know the fucking basics of the means of productions?

You have the fucking guts to claim i'm retarded because i've actually FUCKING BOTHERED to read the goddamn socialist literature and because i actually know how keynesian economics actually properly fuctions and that capitalism and socialism are not a black white thing but rather a spectrum?

Do you even know the goddamn transitional stages outlined in Marx's thesis on how to achieve communism? Have you even fucking read das kapital? Do you even realize that socialism is about moving away from free market capitalism and that democratic socialism is based on doing exactly that via less capitalist economic policies like Keynesian? Have you ever read Keynes his books? Do you even know the difference between reforms and revolutions? Do you even know that economics is a spectrum and not a dogma? Have you ever read a single thesis of socialism? Do you even know the difference between democratic socialism and social democracy? Do you even recognize that there are many means to achieve socialism within different frameworks? Do you even realize that many socialist countries came from Keynesian policies?

You are the most narcissistic scumfuck i've ever seen, you do not even fucking qualify as retarded, you're a hypocritical fucking subhuman being who doesn't even fucking remotely understand the very own views he thinks he supports, you're the type of extraordinary fucktard that pulled himself so far up his ass by his own smug condescension that any means of reasoning with you is utterly futile and that even the most basic principles that can literally be read anywhere is something you do not understand, with the goddamn internet ignorance is a choice and yet you still somehow managed to choose it.

So before a narcissistic little cuntshit like you even try to claim someone is retarded for something that is literally outlined within the most influential socialists, try looking in a goddamn mirror.
#91043 to #91033 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
One more comment, actually: your third paragraph doesn't contradict anything I've said. The only thing I was really arguing was that "socialism is the extreme left" when it is just left, and not even the only kind of leftism; there's also shit like syndicalism, or mutualism, which borders on centrist. Similarly, right wing thought can be feudalist (though there's an obvious reason why capitalism is the only one people care about today, since it's not plainly evil).

There also seems to be some conflation with the concept of private property, which is not inherently capitalist, nor is capitalism itself simply about private property.

So basically, you just spoiled any chance of a discussion by using American thought-terminating cliches. Still, I don't rescind my name calling, because you outright lied about Keynes being a socialist, something any economist will laugh at--if anything, free markets can be more socialist than Keynesianism.
#91044 to #91043 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Since you won't continue fucking off with your batshit stupidity i'm just blocking you.
#91048 to #91044 - youregaylol
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(07/27/2015) [-]
dude, seriously

this isn't cool and i have no idea why you're acting like this, you can argue your points fine, dont just block everyone who disagrees with you on the board

you've been here all this time and you've never done this before, now you've blocked two regulars in a matter of days, it's getting ridiculous
#91054 to #91048 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Also honestly i don't have to be lectured by a fascist shitposter about what is the right thing to do.
#91057 to #91054 - youregaylol
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(07/27/2015) [-]
You're calling me a shitposter?

I've contributed hundreds of great threads to this board, way more than you have.

Honestly now you're just acting like a cunt, I have no idea what your problem is.
#91053 to #91048 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I can handle having different opinions, even with Jewish's Korea bullshit, but when someone actively puts words in my mouth, make accusations of things i've never said, suffer so badly from utter stupidity that discussions with them is impossible and when i ask the discussion to stop he still continues. That's where i block.
#91051 to #91048 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
FYI i unblocked jewishcommunazi.
#91055 to #91051 - youregaylol
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I was actually going to pm you about that after a few days when there wasn't so much tension between you guys, glad you unblocked him

But now you're doing the exact same thing here

Shiny is unquestionably one of the stupidest people on here, but if you get frustrated at his idiocy you'll start slipping up, and eventually you'll lose the argument. The reason I keep beating him during our arguments is because I can challenge the stupidity until he falls apart. If you just block him and run away you're giving him the high ground.

On principle you shouldn't block regulars here, if only out of respect for the board and the discussion.
#91059 to #91055 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I think you're a latent lunatic, but at least you can, well, argue. At all. All he did was parrot thought terminating cliches.
#91061 to #91060 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
You do know I was complementing you, right? I don't think anyone but him, lulz or that dehumanizing whatever guy is an idiot here.
#91062 to #91061 - youregaylol
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I know what you're saying, but if I acknowledged it then I would pass up a chance to post these mentally challenged pikachu pics, and that is a sacrifice I'm not willing to make.
#91046 to #91044 - anon
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I admit I was mistaken about a few things and you still want to forfeit the argument? Suit yourself, lel.

Doesn't change the fact that you're an ideological liar, one that throws temper tantrums when pointed out. Spouting some truisms, like the fact that there's more than one way to accomplish a task, doesn't change the blatant dishonesty of what you say, like simultaneously claiming socialism is a dogma and that economics is a "spectrum" (that's not how it works) and not dogmatic. Psst, a mixed market is still capitalist.
#91036 to #91033 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
tl;dr, lying about reading literature (or thinking Reason magazine is literature) and contradicting everything I have ever read from actual resources.

So it's either them or you. And seeing as they aren't just bitchy bloggers, I'll go with them.

Cry more, faggy.
#91037 to #91036 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/27/2015) [-]
You are beyond saving, a pathetic subhuman retard. Goodbye.
#91039 to #91037 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Have a nice day!

Also, just FYI, Marx is far left, but he is not "socialism". He's actually quite too far left for my tastes, since I dislike revolution as a go to solution. Neither is Mises or Friedman "capitalism".
#90973 to #90968 - youregaylol
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(07/26/2015) [-]
basically every eurofag says this when it comes to us politics

either you're a socialist marxist or you're right wing
#90978 to #90973 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Everything that doesn't border on the democratic socialist/green party nutcases is a "neoliberal"
#91008 to #90978 - Shiny
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Fucking kek, someone disagrees with you and you run off back to your hugbox for feely feels.

I remember doing this when I was a teenager on a gaming forum.
#91010 to #91008 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Feeling insecure that i talk to other people?
#91013 to #91010 - Shiny
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(07/26/2015) [-]
He doesn't quite qualify as a person, so it doesn't matter either way.
#91042 to #91035 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
Wow, not even gonna buy me dinner first? You perv.
#91047 to #91045 - Shiny
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(07/27/2015) [-]
I'm not brain damaged and thus remember things. Sorry?
#90964 - darealsnooki ONLINE
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Black people are like spiders; they all have potential to be deadly, and only some of them get offensive, but the rest are bros
#90976 to #90964 - youregaylol
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(07/26/2015) [-]
your comparison is shit m8
#90979 to #90976 - darealsnooki ONLINE
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(07/26/2015) [-]
k
#90965 to #90964 - pebar
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(07/26/2015) [-]
most spiders don't have the potential to be deadly, though
#91005 to #90965 - Shiny
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Any animal that can bite can be deadly. Pathogens, man.
#91014 to #91005 - pebar
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(07/26/2015) [-]
If you want to get super technical maybe,
but I'm not finding any source that says spiders are popular disease vectors
definitely not on the scale of mosquitoes or ticks


IDK why I thought of this pic
#91015 to #91014 - Shiny
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Oh man, I miss that game. You're alright, man.
#90941 - byposted
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(07/26/2015) [-]
news.yahoo.com/warsaw-hosts-rival-pro-anti-migrant-protests-183050326.html

Note that the airfare of these Levantine emigrants, toward Warsaw, was fully subsidized by an Ashkenazim oligarch, with a debt to pay, the gentiles, for having evaded the "holocaust." The Zionists had barred their entry, into Tel Aviv, of course.

Hang the professional politicians, and the preachers, on the pulpits! Perform it in the "short" sort of manner, where they giggle, for a little, before exiting this earth.

Picture: Prague
#90991 to #90941 - byposted
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(07/26/2015) [-]
I meant jiggle, of course.
#90950 to #90941 - byposted
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Here is the malevolently benevolent kike.
#90942 to #90941 - byposted
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Picture: Poland
#90944 to #90942 - byposted
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Pictured: Sentimentalist Polish women, and their orbiters, attend an "anti" rally. Some whore, at the forefront, even brought her mulatto spawn, back, from Britain!

It is interesting that their signs reference "Islamophobia," although most of these unwelcome migrants are Christian. Unfortunately, the "Islam" rhetoric certainly sources from the religious right, which, instead of abandoning universalist fables, at a time when adherence is racially consequential, misconstrues events, and falsely analyzes a racial peril, to be religious.
#90957 to #90944 - lulzforeverreborn
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(07/26/2015) [-]
That brunette women and her disgusting braids.
#90958 to #90957 - anon
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(07/26/2015) [-]
Look at the kid shes holding.
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