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User avatar #55406 - undeadwill (01/12/2014) [-]
It sounds like France has a nationalist about to win the election.... I'm okay with this.
User avatar #55415 to #55406 - Shiny (01/13/2014) [-]
Electing nationalists = enjoy your nofreedums and inevitable plutocracy
User avatar #55416 to #55415 - undeadwill (01/13/2014) [-]
Its France. I don't care.
User avatar #55417 to #55416 - Shiny (01/13/2014) [-]
You seemed to care before.
User avatar #55422 to #55417 - undeadwill (01/13/2014) [-]
About France? I just don't like them. Getting a nationalist is what they deserve.
#55402 - anon (01/12/2014) [-]
I don't recall my relatives that were pretty into the Tea Party movement ever actually reading The Wealth of Nations.
Almost everything Glenn Beck has ever written on the other hand...

Also, ignoring the posters showing Obama as Hitler, Mao, or Stalin and all the other shit that's come from the movement.
The persecution complex is strong with this picture.
#55427 to #55402 - feelythefeel (01/13/2014) [-]
>implying the other side of the media isn't doing the exact opposite
>implying the media is a single essence and being
I hate that picture.
#55428 to #55427 - anon (01/13/2014) [-]
>implying the sides are evenly matched
User avatar #55429 to #55428 - feelythefeel (01/13/2014) [-]
Considering Fox is the biggest news station in America, they kinda are.
#55438 to #55429 - anon (01/13/2014) [-]
One news station vs many other news stations, most entertainment, almost all of hollywood...
User avatar #55439 to #55438 - feelythefeel (01/13/2014) [-]
muh 'murica
muh persicution
muh libby oppresion
User avatar #55404 to #55402 - jewishcommunazi (01/12/2014) [-]
As far as I know american media, it's either that way or the other way around depending on the news channel you watch.
User avatar #55403 to #55402 - arisaka (01/12/2014) [-]
The media shat ALL over occupy where I'm from. It's incredible. The same goes for the student movement we had here (the two combined - occupy here was much more politicized).
User avatar #55408 to #55403 - pebar (01/12/2014) [-]
Occupy Wall Street & Capitalism: A Professor's Response
How Cronyism is Hurting the Economy
Andrew Klavan: Wall Street On Trial Le Occupy Movement
User avatar #55410 to #55408 - arisaka (01/12/2014) [-]
With "towny" values

User avatar #55409 to #55408 - arisaka (01/12/2014) [-]
You probably live in a tiny little town with no more than 50 000 people in it
User avatar #55413 to #55409 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
I live in the largest city in the state.
There is a whopping 100,000 people here; 200,000 in the metropolitan area
(I don't see how that's relevant though)
User avatar #55434 to #55413 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
You live in North Dakota, right?
User avatar #55435 to #55434 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
yes; in Fargo
User avatar #55436 to #55435 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]

My point was that Occupy is something you had to experience. It was more prevalent in the larger cities (more people to participate).

We had workshops, teachers giving lessons, people cooking, caring for each other, etc. It was a wonderful experience for me and the portrayal it got in the media did not represent it well in the slightest bit.
User avatar #55437 to #55436 - pebar (01/13/2014) [-]
I didn't pay attention to politics until the end of 2012, so all I have is the news.
User avatar #55442 to #55437 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
It's a very distorted perception of what was really going on there. I talked to all sorts of people; moderates, who were looking to learn, to experience, people who just interested in what was happening, and of course frustrated workers as well.

There were people of all ages; I hung out with 70 year old people as often as I did with people my own age.

People wearing Crass t-shirts were cooking up vegan food as people played music and lectures were given. The workshops were interesting but I didn't go to many. I remember an art collective showed up and encouraged people to paint their hands and stick it on the canvas. A band even showed up at one point. It was neat, totally non-violent. People picked up after themselves.

The people saying that the occupiers didn't know what they wanted were morons. Sure, it got a little watered down and there were some bandwaggoners. But a lot of different people were there for different reasons (I wasn't there for the same reasons as someone who was there for employment issues). But the movement was designed to bring attention to certain issues, and I think it was successful at that. Here in Montreal they kind of got outshined by the student movement, but the two kind of coincided with eachother and eventually all the occupiers were wearing un carré rouge, the symbol of the student movement.
User avatar #55456 to #55442 - lulzforhiroshima (01/13/2014) [-]
You live in fucking Montreal? Why did you even have the occupied movement?

Also the occupy movement could have been better if the people weren't so stupid and dis-organized, maybe what they are saying is 100% right. But its really a bunch of hippies and stupid people as the majority. Sadly, i can't see change occuring unless a violent revolution occured.
User avatar #55473 to #55456 - arisaka (01/14/2014) [-]
There was a calling for people everywhere to have their own occupy manifestations with a broader, straight-forward anticapitalist attitude. Les Habitants have a history of protest and struggle. We know what it's like. The student movement, like I said, was in full force. There was some serious shit going down.

Try to look at the bigger picture and realize history is not a set of "isolated" events. The two movements were not parallel.
The goal of the movement was to raise awareness and to say "we're upset".

Individuals within the milliue can say WHATEVER THEY WANT. Moderates can call for reform. Radicals can call for revolution. Bourgeois can call for cake.

It doesn't matter. The movement was an awareness campaign. It was opposed to advanced capitalism and the institutions that exist NOW. Go around the city - you'll find tons of graffiti that are reminiscent of may 1968 in France. It is the modern capitalist machine they are protesting against, not the lassiez-faire stuff your grand-pappy was used to. Montreal is the archetype city for THAT kind of movement.
User avatar #55400 - mykoira (01/12/2014) [-]
"British diplomats have unveiled their secret weapon in the battle to win over North Korea and bring the impoverished dictatorship into line with more enlightened nations... The Teletubbies."
#55392 - jewishcommunazi (01/12/2014) [-]
Polandball time.
#55394 to #55393 - jewishcommunazi (01/12/2014) [-]
...And my all time favourite.
User avatar #55454 to #55394 - lulzforhiroshima (01/13/2014) [-]
man i fucking love these.
User avatar #55399 to #55394 - pebar (01/12/2014) [-]
that is just..... dark
dark humor is best humor
User avatar #55401 to #55399 - jewishcommunazi (01/12/2014) [-]
How about this one:

Three conquests of the cuban revolution: education, health system and housing;
Three flaws of the cuban revolution: breakfast, lunch and dinner.
User avatar #55407 to #55401 - undeadwill (01/12/2014) [-]
That's good.
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User avatar #55412 to #55411 - jewishcommunazi (01/12/2014) [-]
I knew this one for a while so I don't know if people already know it. I also know this one for some years too:

A french, an english and a portuguese wish to join the CIA. To test their loyalty, a gun is given to each one of them and they must kill a person strapped to a chair inside a room. However, they see that the person in the chair is their wife.

The french leaves the room and tells the CIA officer outside he's not capable of doing such a thing to someone he loves.

The english shoots his gun to find that the gun was purposedly empty. The officer goes inside the room and tells him: "Congratulations sir, you passed the test."

The portuguese takes more time than usual and the officer starts hearing noises from inside. Finally, the portuguese leaves the room and tells the officer: "You idiot! You didn't put any fucking bullets in it so I had to beat her to death!"
User avatar #55455 to #55395 - lulzforhiroshima (01/13/2014) [-]
fuck me thats amazing.
User avatar #55443 to #55397 - arisaka (01/13/2014) [-]
Those fuckers.

They are seriously WILL attack you. And if they can't get to you, they will fly over you in the hundreds and rain hot, liquidy death-shit on you from above.
User avatar #55414 to #55398 - jewishcommunazi (01/13/2014) [-]
Your name's becoming blue.
#55387 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]

My nigga, Sharon finally died after being in a coma for 8 years. The mudslime must be happy. Remember living under this guy long ago like in 2004, before i moved here.

"Palestinians in Gaza were handing out sweets to passersby and motorists in celebration of Sharon's passing." - Massive butcheese
User avatar #55458 to #55387 - byposted (01/13/2014) [-]
He better have convinced God with some good works before death. If there was ever a man that needed it very badly, it was Sharon.
#55391 to #55387 - schnizel (01/12/2014) [-]
It's like another holocaust
It's like another holocaust
User avatar #55405 to #55391 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]
muh reperations
#55380 - undeadwill (01/12/2014) [-]
Look at that last one.
User avatar #55384 to #55380 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]
makes sense, how that first one happened though? it smells of high bullshit but im to lazy to look it up
User avatar #55389 to #55384 - akkere ONLINE (01/12/2014) [-]
Komarov's crash? His capsule had underwent a number of system failures, ranging from the ion engine to the main brake parachute failing to deploy properly, and crashed upon reentry into orbit, effectively making him the first human to be killed during space flight.
User avatar #55382 to #55378 - Shiny (01/12/2014) [-]
I'd want to ban firearms too if the people on my social networking feed never shut the ever-loving fuck up about them.
#55371 - anon (01/12/2014) [-]
#55386 to #55371 - anon (01/12/2014) [-]
Like the Idi amin poster.
User avatar #55381 to #55371 - Shiny (01/12/2014) [-]
Pot is extremely medically versatile, so he must know what he's doing.
User avatar #55369 - feelythefeel (01/12/2014) [-]
To arms in Dixie - The song of CSA ITT: Music you're politically embarrassed you enjoy.
User avatar #55457 to #55369 - lulzforhiroshima (01/13/2014) [-]
all heavy metal and rock...
User avatar #55463 to #55457 - feelythefeel (01/14/2014) [-]
By political, I mean somehow connected to a sensitive issue. Communism, nationalism, slavery etc.
#55359 - anon (01/11/2014) [-]
I try to see things from other's perspective and understand why they believe what they do.

But I can't understand the thought process of someone who thinks America should spend more on it's military.
Although I don't quiet agree with it, I can see why someone would want to keep the military budget as is.
But spending even more, why?
User avatar #55362 to #55359 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]
because they are fucking autistic, stupid as democrats. They're all incredibly retarded, to a point that boggles my mind
User avatar #55363 to #55362 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]
*stuppid ass republicans

wrong wording but both parties obviously suck though
User avatar #55364 to #55363 - pebar (01/12/2014) [-]
the republicans are starting to admit that defense needs to be cut
User avatar #55365 to #55364 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]
They're still incredibly retarded, it hurts to think about it...
User avatar #55360 to #55359 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
#55357 - anon (01/11/2014) [-]
User avatar #55366 to #55357 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]

schnizel, insert nigger comics here pls
User avatar #55383 to #55377 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]
thank you, these are a delight to laugh at
User avatar #55385 to #55375 - lulzforhiroshima (01/12/2014) [-]
btw if you need more, you can always ask on /pol/ for a negro comic thread.
User avatar #55379 to #55375 - jewishcommunazi (01/12/2014) [-]
At least the guys in the picture below aren't making fun of me.
User avatar #55358 to #55357 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
User avatar #55352 - nigalthornberry (01/11/2014) [-]
So what would you say about C.Christie vs B.Obama on their issue handling so far.
User avatar #55353 to #55352 - akkere ONLINE (01/11/2014) [-]
I think overall, they're both pretty hamfisted in solving issues. Some examples for Obama off the top of my head being the launch of national healthcare (which was poorly constructed), imposing the idea of involvement in Syria, etc. And for Christie, the lack of oversight over aides and probably the poor recovery from Sandy (though I appreciate he at least didn't hold off on accepting help when the Hurricane first swept in, as his Republican constituents would've had for the sake of securing the election).

They're not very desirable leaders.
User avatar #55355 to #55353 - nigalthornberry (01/11/2014) [-]
I'd rather have christie since he addresses the problems
User avatar #55356 to #55355 - akkere ONLINE (01/11/2014) [-]
Not really. He ignores quite a bit of them more than he addresses them. Like when FEMA brought in trailers for Sandy victims to live in outside their ruined homes, Christie did nothing to temporarily change the tractor law preventing them from being used. This left a lot of people (myself included) to either live in ruined homes or have to stay at hotels that ended up being very costly for FEMA as a whole.
User avatar #55368 to #55356 - hawaiianhappysauce (01/12/2014) [-]
Chris Christy would ignore the problem, then when he gets criticized he would say "THESE PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS" so everyone in the media and the republican party would fall in love with him again because the teabaggers want corporations to run the country.
#55343 - capitalists (01/11/2014) [-]
undeadwill will be so jelly of my user name.
undeadwill will be so jelly of my user name.
User avatar #55351 to #55343 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
But I am you.
#55341 - anon (01/11/2014) [-]
I know most of the Americans here don't like the idea of a strong federal government.

So I have to wonder, how do you feel about the Articles of Confederation?

User avatar #55342 to #55341 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
Meh, a slightly stronger federal government does have many benefits that can't be ignored. I'd much rather just have a stronger constitution to limit the overreach of government.
#55304 - hitlerwascool (01/10/2014) [-]
What economic system is china and north Korea? Its not capitalist nor communist. I'd say socialism or nationalism. And no its not "state capitalism" that's a commie term for commies that fuck up.
User avatar #55329 to #55304 - jewishcommunazi (01/11/2014) [-]
I forgot about China, which I'd say it's basically a fascist-style economy. Capitalism and private businesses make up for a significant amount of the country's economy, but the strong state might sometimes interfere to make them produce for the nation.
User avatar #55309 to #55304 - jewishcommunazi (01/10/2014) [-]
State capitalism as far as I see it has the state doing the role of the capitalist class, therefore is a valid term. Although I'm not sure NK is that. Maybe it comes closest to fascism. I prefer to refer to it as state feudalism though.
#55310 to #55309 - anon (01/10/2014) [-]
The state controls all capital
communism in a nutshell
User avatar #55311 to #55310 - jewishcommunazi (01/10/2014) [-]
That's a weird thing considering communism has neither a state nor capital. What you're referring to is state socialism, which is part of the marxist-leninist theory to achieve communism, but it was still not achieved, otherwise it's be global.

State socialism is different from state capitalism in may aspects.
Although most of the economy is nationalized in both, state socialism focuses on cooperation to fulfill a plan and the population being rewarded based on their contribution.
State capitalism has the managers having more say in the enterprises and the workers less, and managers are rewarded for obtaining profit for themselves while the plan, if there is one estabilished, is almost irrelevant.
User avatar #55313 to #55311 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
You're never going to get passed state socialism for the same reason you hate the bourgeoisie in the first place: people in power don't like giving it up.
Even your pure communism would naturally gravitate towards state socialism because the proles would elect more knowledgeable workers to represent the industry. This pseudo government would have the same authority as every other government. It would eventually evolve into its own class and you'd be back where you started.
User avatar #55314 to #55313 - jewishcommunazi (01/11/2014) [-]
That's why I'm a fan of direct democracy based on debating.
User avatar #55315 to #55314 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
User avatar #55316 to #55315 - jewishcommunazi (01/11/2014) [-]
What's wrong with it? Better than majority ruling I think.
User avatar #55319 to #55316 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
>The majority could enslave the minority
>There would still be people who don't want communism
>Larger industries could steal all the resources
>The working class barely even votes now
>The masses don't pay attention to what goes on around them so they could never vote responsibly
User avatar #55321 to #55319 - jewishcommunazi (01/11/2014) [-]
Most of those would seemingly happen under majority ruling, not the one I want.
#55306 to #55304 - anon (01/10/2014) [-]
>Economic System

Something tells me commies aren't the only one that fuck up.
User avatar #55318 to #55306 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
The state owns all business=nationalism.
User avatar #55325 to #55318 - jewishcommunazi (01/11/2014) [-]
Nationalism is the belief in national identity, it's like strong patriotism. Nationalization refers to the act of turning a private institution into a public one though, these two things aren't related with each other at all.
#55344 to #55325 - capitalists (01/11/2014) [-]
So what is China because its not capitalist, but its not a welfare state I can only assume it is a socialist nation with a large amount of foreign business. It still has money but no private property, free trade, free markets or private enterprise.
User avatar #55345 to #55344 - jewishcommunazi (01/11/2014) [-]
It stopped being socialist almost right after Mao's death.
#55346 to #55345 - capitalists (01/11/2014) [-]
What is the difference?
User avatar #55347 to #55346 - jewishcommunazi (01/11/2014) [-]
Deng's economic reforms.

The government still has a monopoly on things like banks and oil, but private property is getting more common since them. More recent policies slowed down the privatizations and deregulations in favour of a more keynesian economy, but they seem to have lost interest in socialism itself.
#55348 to #55347 - capitalists (01/11/2014) [-]
Well that's good.
#55652 to #55354 - capitalists (01/17/2014) [-]
MFW China becomes capitalist
MFW China becomes capitalist
#55302 - lulzforhiroshima (01/10/2014) [-]

What did they fucking expect? Its like their surprised or something.

This is Russia, take it or leave it. It ain't really gonna get better then Putin until the people change.
#55303 to #55302 - lulzforhiroshima (01/10/2014) [-]
Yeah Putin, shoot those faggets down for being stupid enough to go to Russia with your PP2000 9x19mm rounds.
User avatar #55295 - undeadwill (01/10/2014) [-]
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Commies are goin insane.
User avatar #55308 to #55295 - pebar (01/10/2014) [-]
The ethical egoism of Ayn Rand and the psychological egoism as the axiom of capitalist economics are different things.
User avatar #55317 to #55308 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
I didn't understand that too well but okay.
Wanna help out?

I've chosen to ignore her statement as she is foaming at the mouth about Ayn Rand but everything else needs to be dealt with.
User avatar #55320 to #55317 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
well good luck with that
User avatar #55322 to #55320 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
no help?
User avatar #55324 to #55322 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
The idea that people will be generous at their own cost is retarded. Evolutionarily speaking, you have to spread your own genes; you don't help your competition spread their genes. While it's true that social connections are very valuable, you don't help people you don't care about.
People are naturally selfish; deal with it.

Don't copy my post like last time; use it to form your own arguments that are relevant to the discussion.
User avatar #55326 to #55324 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
I am talking about the response. To it. The recent one.
User avatar #55328 to #55326 - pebar (01/11/2014) [-]
Schools of Thought in Classical Liberalism, Part 2: Milton Friedman and the Chicago School He has some good points and they're pretty much why I do not defend anarchism. Government has legitimate functions such as dealing with crime and limiting negative externalities.
User avatar #55612 to #55328 - valeriya (01/16/2014) [-]
Sorry to hit a dead-ish thread, but what about non-profitable things, I'm struggling to remember the actual term, but street lighting and national defense are examples of the thing I'm trying to remember.
#55615 to #55612 - pebar (01/16/2014) [-]
public goods are talked about at 5:00
User avatar #55336 to #55328 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
Can I post the video?
User avatar #55298 to #55295 - schnizel (01/10/2014) [-]
What did they say?
#55301 to #55298 - hitlerwascool (01/10/2014) [-]
Read nigga
#55305 to #55301 - schnizel (01/10/2014) [-]
No, I don't want to nigga
No, I don't want to nigga
User avatar #55294 - kanadetenshi (01/10/2014) [-]

Please keep your politicians out of my science.
User avatar #55280 to #55279 - undeadwill (01/09/2014) [-]
Did Ayn Rand idolize a serial killer? The answer here.
User avatar #55281 to #55280 - Shiny (01/09/2014) [-]
....on the other hand, it's pretty hard to contend with a straight face that Ayn Rand wasn't a shitty person.
User avatar #55307 to #55292 - akkere ONLINE (01/10/2014) [-]
Preaching against collectivism while relishing in the collectivist hive mind that was her fanbase who easily would've persecuted anyone that Rand saw fit for it, i.e. Nathaniel Branden.
You know, simple stuff.
User avatar #55323 to #55307 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
User avatar #55327 to #55323 - akkere ONLINE (01/11/2014) [-]
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The very words of Ayn Rand herself.
Nathaniel Branden's account of the relationship and fallout with Ayn Rand cult (of which he was apart of, being in a relationship with Rand)
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Humorous recollection of the tale (also: Elvis)
User avatar #55334 to #55327 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
Seems to be a women's scorn and a very human break down compared to what I've seen.
User avatar #55339 to #55334 - akkere ONLINE (01/11/2014) [-]
She "excommunicated" him from her group and sicked the cult on him by relating an unfortunate but regular break-up to the entire Objectivist movement and theory as a whole.
User avatar #55340 to #55339 - undeadwill (01/11/2014) [-]
"Hell have no fury like a scorned woman"
User avatar #55287 to #55281 - valeriya (01/09/2014) [-]
She's essentially written a guide on how to create situations ideal for a socialist revolution without even realizing it.
User avatar #55278 - schnizel (01/09/2014) [-]
Muhammad Ali - Racial Integration
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