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#99471 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
ok guys. it is confirmed that FSA shot a russian helicopter. it is time to declare NO FLY ZONE and EMBARGO: Turkey. let their currency and Economy fall to Oblivion.
#99466 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Stoltenberg calls for talk between Ankara and Moscow, and calls for parties involved to show calm and aim for deescalation. Furthermore alliance partners are working on setting up measures that will improve transparency, predictability and risk reduction between NATO and Russia. While there is currently contact Turkey and Russia, NATO has not been in contact with Russia yet. He further stress that the common enemy is ISIL.
So, NATO calling for diplomacy and are not declaring Russia violated Turkish airspace.
In a meeting between Hollande and Obama both stressed for direct talks and diplomacy between Turkey and Russia.
Turkish authorities are now saying both russian pilots are alive and they are in talk with rebels to hand them over safely.

Meanwhile, Lavrov has officially cancelled his visit to Turkey tomorrow, and suggested Russians stay away from Turkey. As it seems now, Russia is only planning to retaliate with economic measures. Russian defence ministry now says that "communication lines between Russia and Turkey have not been sufficient enough", showing a slight thaw from Putin's earlier, much harsher statement.

Unless Putin will actually retaliate with bombing, WW3 seems to be called off.
#99467 to #99466 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Also, rebels fired at a Russian helicopter allegedly searching for missing pilots, killing 1 Russian marine. Although this will probably not have any consequences for the current situation concerning the SU-24, it will certainly result in more intense Russian bombing in that particular area, especially if the missing pilots have actually been killed mid-air by rebels.
#99476 to #99467 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
tass.ru/en/politics/838950
"Kremlin stresses that Russia is not threatening Turkey with military consequences for shooting down Su-24 combat aircraft, but warned of "inevitable consequences"".
Non-military reaction from Russia confirmed.

tass.ru/en/politics/838939
"We should immediately freeze economic relations with Turkey, diplomatic ties may be halted as well," Kalashnikov told TASS."
Russia responding with sanctions.
#99477 to #99476 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
sputniknews.com/europe/20151124/1030689898/turkey-denies-plane-nationality-knowledge.html

Turkey denies knowing the plane was Russian when shooting it down.
This is definitely very interesting news, as it opens for the possibility that Turkey can say they perhaps wouldn't have shot it down if they KNEW it was Russian.
This is also the scenario several experts has raised as a possible way of solving the situation without Russia losing face.
#99465 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
the turks caused a massive shitstorm against them
obama is probably going to say it was justified or something
obama is also probably going to say the jet was in turkush airspace ( it wasnt)
obama is probably going to call for more sanctions against russia for this.
#99468 to #99465 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
#99469 to #99468 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
it has been said that the turks shot the russian pilots while they were parachuting from the skies after they got shot.
that is litterally a war crime.
i hope there will be consequenses.
#99470 to #99469 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
filthy turks as usual
#99473 to #99470 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
yfw ur a turk
#99474 to #99473 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
#99457 - timmywankenobi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
> Feminist Sociologists are pointing to a study link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11199-009-9695-4

As proof all heterosexual men are sexists and objectify women in harmful ways .

The study found "College age Men they made play porn games for hours a day were more likely to make sexual comments and flirt with women " - From this Feminist "researchers" concluded that all men when sexually aroused cease to view women as people and instead see them only as sexual objects to be used and discarded. (Thus proving Anita Sarkeesian to be correct about video games causing sexism somehow ? )

The fact similar studies found the same albeit less pronounced effect in aroused college age women was completely lost on the feminist researchers.
#99459 to #99457 - schnizel
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(11/24/2015) [-]
EVERYTHING IS SEXISM!
#99460 to #99459 - timmywankenobi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
It all makes sense now , water is wet due to sexism !

the moon doesn't revolve around the earth it revolves around men's sexist egos !

it's all so clear now .
#99461 to #99460 - schnizel
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(11/24/2015) [-]
The big bang is sexist, why isn't it called the great period?
#99462 to #99461 - timmywankenobi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
or the big menstruation ?
#99463 to #99462 - schnizel
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(11/24/2015) [-]
#MUHSOGGYKNEE
#99464 to #99463 - timmywankenobi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
#OPRESSHUN
#99456 - enlightednatzie
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(11/24/2015) [-]
>romanians

Litterally ew.
#99451 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
>This Turkish act of aggression towards Russia is going to lead to WW3
#99455 to #99451 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
turks acting like ottomans. time for some kebab removal.
#99436 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Assad's political party is the ONLY legitimate government in Syria. Contrary to what OUR media tells us, the vast majority of Syrians support Assad.
i wonder why people in the west would want terrorists and jihadists ruling any country
#99492 to #99436 - anon
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(11/25/2015) [-]
BECAUSE OF ISRAEL

YOU'RE LEARNING BRO
#99438 to #99436 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
you mean the CIA right?
#99440 to #99438 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
american goverment. they still openly support isis through saudi arabian proxy
#99599 to #99440 - anon
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(11/27/2015) [-]
Yes
#99442 to #99440 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
oh well. USA is actually the UST = United States of Terrorism
#99444 to #99442 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
thats unpossibl
#99445 to #99444 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
#99431 - PopcornViking ONLINE
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(11/24/2015) [-]
oh shit turkey what are you doin
#99441 to #99431 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
being moderate.
#99433 to #99431 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
An accurate Image of Turkey action last hour
#99429 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
what every western eurocucklandian say to refugees
#99430 to #99429 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
This is my jam.
#99432 to #99430 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
#99437 to #99435 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Niet
#99426 - enlightednatzie
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(11/24/2015) [-]
The White Riders - Stand Up And Be Counted
#99424 - enlightednatzie
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Johnny Rebel - If I could be a nigger for a day
#99422 - enlightednatzie
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Johnny Rebel - Send Em' All Back To Africa
#99421 - enlightednatzie
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Johnny Rebel - who likes a nigger
#99413 - schnizel
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(11/24/2015) [-]
What was the name of the experiment in Canade where a guy had his dick cut of, doctors told him he was a girl and he killed himself?
#99452 to #99449 - schnizel
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(11/24/2015) [-]
thx
#99454 to #99452 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
np
#99402 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Even though the Russian jet probably did cross into Turkish air space, as has been confirmed before, shooting it down is stupid as hell, and only goes to show that Turkish does indeed support IS.
Russia has in recent weeks shown much good will towards the West, hopefully this will not ruin plans for united coalition against IS.
But still, why is it so hard to stay out of Turkish airspace? You know they're hotheads, you know they're going to shoot your planes down. This is just moronic from both sides.
#99446 to #99402 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
there is a huge turkish clit nipple sticking out so far it would cost a lot of time and money to fly around
#99447 to #99446 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
>2.7 km wide

pls
#99414 to #99402 - candlejackismyhomi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Have you looked at a goddamn map? They would have added significant time on to the flight plan, and run the risk of endangering the aircraft either by risk of collision, or by enemy fire. Which I suppose is a moot point now.
I don't feel Russia did anything wrong. They've got flight data to back it up, allegedly.
#99415 to #99414 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Yes, I have. And the place where they allegedly shot it down is a very narrow one, meaning that the shoot down was probably very swift. And we'll have to wait and see coming reactions, I suspect very differentiating information will be published.
What you feel doesn't really matter, it's whether or not they crossed into Turkey or not, which is a possibility, as they have admitted that they've on done it several other occasions. This reaction from Turkey can't come as a surprise, as they warned Russia and Syria several times.
I disagree strongly with Turkey's reaction, but it's still stupid as hell that Russia keeps testing Turkey. Right now Putin is saying they flew only 1 km from the Turkish border. Why on Earth would they fly so close and risk situations as this?
#99416 to #99415 - candlejackismyhomi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
"What you feel doesn't matter"
Spot on, but at the same time that's all this is. Conjecture. I suppose the situation is that with President Uganda being a little bitch, and no other nation willing to talk shit, Russia is getting a little overzealous, and over confident. Of course, confidence can only get one so far in a war. These next few weeks will prove interesting. Turks are already protesting at the Russian embassy in Istanbul, just as Russians are protesting at the Turkish embassy in Moscow. I think the most important reaction here, is going to be how NATO reacts to Turkey's actions. I don't think there's a fear of Putin seeing it as the West attacking Russia, as he has implied that Turkey is trying to manipulate NATO into "serving IS."
He's also stated that its "a stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists."
It's clear that his aggression is towards Turkey and Syria, and not the rest of NATO, or the world for that matter.
#99417 to #99416 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Wholeheartedly agree on that. It is about time that NATO members tell Turkey that it should stop using NATO as a tool in its regional matters. Otherwise, they should be banished from NATO.
The next move is Russia's though. One can hope that Russia will only impose economic sanctions on Turkey. Erdogan is so delusional that if Russia retaliated, he would go to war believing that NATO would follow.
#99418 to #99417 - candlejackismyhomi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Just a quick update for you.
Not only are both pilots dead, Turkey confirmed that they killed them with small arms fire.
Turkey just put their dick in NATO and Genova Conventions both.
#99420 to #99418 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Source?
#99423 to #99420 - candlejackismyhomi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-34908469

Hope this helps, what I've been following.
#99425 to #99423 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Disgusting. Hope Putin bombs their positions.
This is a war crime after Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions.
#99419 to #99418 - candlejackismyhomi
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Small arms fire before they hit the ground*
#99403 to #99402 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Well this fucks it all up.

Turkey is a NATO member, Russia will see this as a Western attack against them.
#99443 to #99403 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
This is almost common in when it comes to airspace.

How new to this world are you?
#99404 to #99403 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Doubt it. Turkey has time and time again gone against NATO's wishes. This is a bilateral matter for now. It becomes a NATO issue if Russia actually retaliates against Turkey, which for now seems unlikely.
Also, both Cameron and Hollande has been positive about uniting with Russia against IS, as has Putin himself. Even Germany has said they will not back Turkey if they choose to shoot down a Russian plane.

This has happened purely because Turkey dislike current development in Syria, with kurds and Assad gaining land, and funding IS has not proven sufficient.
They are trying to drag NATO into this conflict, which Stoltenberg on several occasions has criticized.
#99448 to #99404 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
jens stoltenberg was a tyrant leader of my country and he attacked libya without taking it through rest of our goverment. it was his decision alone for norway to destroy libya.
#99450 to #99448 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Probably, but I met him about 7 months ago at a lecture at my university, and he comes off as much less tough than for example former general secretary Fogh Rasmussen.
I seriously doubt he will consider dragging NATO into this conflict.
#99453 to #99450 - minibeep
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(11/24/2015) [-]
he is good in economy tho :l
hes just evil as fuck
#99405 to #99404 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
In the name of God, I hope you're right.
#99409 to #99405 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Don't worry anon. This is very serious, no doubt, but given recent weeks thaw between Russia and the West (read: not turkey), I doubt Putin is ready to throw all of this on the ground just to avenge one fighter craft.
I predict strong words and demands from the Kremlin, and Washington pushing Erdogan to be diplomatic "or else".
#99410 to #99409 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Peace of mind. Thank you.
#99411 to #99410 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
No problem. Also, sources from Russian Foreign Ministry say that the meeting between Lavrov and Turkish FM is still going to happen tomorrow. So you're safe.

For now :^)
#99397 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
God bless.
#99394 - pirateseatcarrots
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Turkey just downed a Russian Su-24 in Syria...some rebels posted vids of dead pilot. We WW3 now?
#99396 to #99394 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
No.
#99395 to #99394 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Link on the pilot

I heard they made it out okay
#99399 to #99398 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
WW3 will happen once a muzzie video is posted without snackbaring.
#99406 to #99399 - anon
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(11/24/2015) [-]
So never?
#99407 to #99406 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Yup.
#99400 to #99399 - pirateseatcarrots
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Never then....anyway Turkey will probably hide behind America or something...maybe spetnaz soon.
#99401 to #99400 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
This is what happens when you arm kebabs with fighter jets. Shouldn't have been allowed into NATO in the first place.
#99383 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
twitter.com/RT_com/status/669081142356746240

IN SYRIA! GUYS THIS IS WAR GET READY YOUR POPCORNS AND GUNS!
#99385 to #99383 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Nigga chill, nothing's gonna happen, as always.
Lavrov has a meeting with Turkish FM tomorrow in Istanbul, you have at least 48 hours until the sky's turn glorious red.
#99387 to #99386 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
Turn on RT, they're only bringing people who are going "Russia will prob be very open to a good explanation".
#99388 to #99387 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
#99390 to #99388 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
shekel pls
#99391 to #99390 - shekelnator
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(11/24/2015) [-]
#99392 to #99391 - thumbfortrump
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(11/24/2015) [-]
I recent that implication.
#99393 to #99392 - shekelnator
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