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#47482 - CapnInterwebz (09/16/2013) [-]
When I said something new should happen so there would be something besides Syria to talk about, I didn't mean gun control.   
   
Please don't let this new shooting spark another gun control debate.   
   
For people who haven't heard about the shooting, the only info I can find is that some guy started shooting up the Navy base in DC this morning. 7 people shot, 2 of the law enforcement. He's got an AR-15 and is still on the loose inside the base.   
   
But again, can we skip talking about gun control? Please?
When I said something new should happen so there would be something besides Syria to talk about, I didn't mean gun control.

Please don't let this new shooting spark another gun control debate.

For people who haven't heard about the shooting, the only info I can find is that some guy started shooting up the Navy base in DC this morning. 7 people shot, 2 of the law enforcement. He's got an AR-15 and is still on the loose inside the base.

But again, can we skip talking about gun control? Please?
User avatar #47525 to #47482 - pebar (09/16/2013) [-]
Well, let's just get it over with...

"we could've prevented this shooting with and assault weapons ban and magazine restrictions."
"No you couldn't have; studies have shown that gun control is counterproductive to stopping crime. And even if it did stop crime, the second amendment ensures that this country remains democratic and that the government must listen to the people. And in order for that to work, civilians weapons must reasonably rival the military's so gun control would not be worth the political consequences.

that's enough of that
User avatar #47534 to #47525 - Shiny (09/17/2013) [-]
"civilians weapons must reasonably rival the military's"

Like that will ever fucking happen.

Also, restricted access to what we now consider Class III and above firearms has had some benefits with no real downsides.
User avatar #47542 to #47534 - pebar (09/17/2013) [-]
You don't necessarily have to have a machine gun to rival the military's small arms.
but SBR laws are kind of bullshit when handguns are also legal
suppressor restrictions are debatable
User avatar #47550 to #47542 - Shiny (09/17/2013) [-]
Small arms are kinda meager compared to the death machines they cook up at Lockheed Martin every year, unless we can deflect carpet bombs with civilian AR-15s.

Suppressors I don't get, though; they're quite valuable for protecting bystanders from ear damage, and don't exactly turn gunshots into those little dart wisps like in movies.
User avatar #47555 to #47550 - pebar (09/17/2013) [-]
There's no way in hell the government would carpet bomb its own country, even if a revolution broke out. Even drone strikes would be a bit much.

Every single time there's a gun in a movie, it's always wrong. They have unsuppressed guns being quieter and more pewpew-like than real suppressed guns....
User avatar #47556 to #47555 - Shiny (09/17/2013) [-]
It doesn't really need to, all it needs is the deterrent.
User avatar #47507 to #47482 - Shiny (09/16/2013) [-]
The golden rule of American politics: any and all discussions and arguments invariably turn to gun control.
#47502 to #47482 - fatbenforever (09/16/2013) [-]
LET'S TALK ABOUT FAT BEN'S POOP
User avatar #47496 to #47482 - leonhardtv (09/16/2013) [-]
But arguing with gunfags is the best and easiest way to learn everything about gun laws
#47495 to #47482 - valeriya (09/16/2013) [-]
You're expecting too much of people. Way way too much of people.
You're expecting too much of people. Way way too much of people.
User avatar #47490 to #47482 - liberalgodess (09/16/2013) [-]
The recent assault weapons ban bill that failed this spring would've prevent this terrible tragedy though, but noooo muh guns are too important.

paranoid rednecks
User avatar #47497 to #47490 - roliga ONLINE (09/16/2013) [-]
Oh really? You do know that District of Columbia already has it's own assault weapons ban, magazine capacity restrictions, permits to buy all weapons, and carrying is banned there, also it was in a gun free zone. Gee, maybe criminals don't follow laws?
User avatar #47499 to #47497 - pebar (09/16/2013) [-]
relax; it's just a trol
User avatar #47494 to #47490 - takamori (09/16/2013) [-]
Inb3 puppet debate.
User avatar #47484 to #47482 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
Prepare in case they come.
#47467 - byposted (09/16/2013) [-]
The Obozo administration is the midst of appointing a new chairman for the Federal Reserve. What do the two candidates have in common?

Janet Yellen ✡
Larry Summers ✡

www.tennessean.com/article/20130907/BUSINESS/309070062/Phoebe-Venable-Top-candidates-lead-Federal-Reserve-financial-doves

Jew #2 has dropped out, though, so we now have Jew #1 to control our money. And it's an empowered womyn!

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323981304579077442028100408.html
#47464 - cdsams (09/15/2013) [-]
Sandy Hook School Shooting... Dark Knight Theater Shooting... lol wat?
We look at so many nations smaller than the US and say "Look at that! We would have stopped that shooting if we had laws like theirs!" Guns do not stop mass murders. Guns do not stop rape. Guns do not stop robberies. Do you know why? It is because an armed populace is not an organized force. Here is what they do stop.
Imagine somewhere... no... ****any where**** at any point in the remaining time of the United States of America's role as a global super power they decide that they need to grow. America needs more land and oil. "WE NEED AND DESERVE MORE!" The politicians would say. America decides to attempts to take over anything and everything that is valuable and destroys all who stands in the way. Who will bring the US down? Who? The best way would be if America had to fight a two front war. One at home and one over seas. If the people fight, the US won't even be able to do much harm at the fertile crescent. If they do not fight America will still most certainly fail, if it does not collapse mere days after it succeed. Imagine, the United States raging war on the world. Only the people will have the signs plastered in the face of their everyday lives. Only they will be able to react to the unfortunate timing of a despotic and tyrannical ruler in time to stop catastrophe.
This is why we need guns. Crime has NOTHEING to do with it.
User avatar #47472 to #47464 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
(Don't take it personally) Faggot
User avatar #47471 to #47464 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
Pull out the brakes, this is the Undead Will's war train and you got me in a bad mood so prepare your diddity daddy hole because I'm going to rip to shit like I'm from alien

The secret to immortality is death and a camera. Bad new sells and those who seek this immorality in a twisted world of pain and obscurity in this world where humanity's cruelty is the product we sell to anyone with the dream to be a monster. And a cry for help is met with even more abuse so we are met with silence as the voice multiply and divide till you don't who the fuck you were anymore. You seek the only thing that you know you have left in your life. Your name. And if you are going to lose it all you are going to leave the world your name.

That is what people who are going to shoot up something are thinking.

They want fame and they know the gun is the way to go

And I've been there, school counselors are a fucking joke they are as about as helpful as handing telling a kid to blow his brains out. They don't help nor do they even attempt to fix your problems or even for that matter listen. They don't fucking care because they haven't taken the full amount of classes to actually be able to help those in need. Only do a half ass job as part as a PR firm. They don't want to fix they want to "Treat" and mask the problem.

And the teachers are worthless to stop it because many are just too tired.

So tell me its the guns because I've fucking been there and it wasn't the gun that made me want to kill everyone it was the fact everyone was trying to make me kill myself.

But I fucking didn't because /I want to see their smug fat fucked up faces when I succeed when they say sorry and fucking mean it like the homeless little shits they will be.

User avatar #47504 to #47471 - cdsams (09/16/2013) [-]
It would be helpful if you stated your conclusion in the final line or so.
User avatar #47510 to #47504 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
How so?
#47513 to #47510 - cdsams (09/16/2013) [-]
We would like to know how and why what you said pertains to the original post.
We would like to know how and why what you said pertains to the original post.
User avatar #47515 to #47513 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
Sandy Hook School Shooting... Dark Knight Theater Shooting... lol wat?
User avatar #47517 to #47515 - cdsams (09/16/2013) [-]
It was an excellent hook for the first line.
User avatar #47478 to #47471 - jadewest (09/16/2013) [-]
shit man
User avatar #47481 to #47478 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
What?
User avatar #47505 to #47481 - jadewest (09/16/2013) [-]
did that like actually happen
User avatar #47511 to #47505 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
What part?
User avatar #47512 to #47511 - jadewest (09/16/2013) [-]
"And I've been there, school counselors are a fucking joke they are as about as helpful as handing telling a kid to blow his brains out. They don't help nor do they even attempt to fix your problems or even for that matter listen. They don't fucking care because they haven't taken the full amount of classes to actually be able to help those in need. Only do a half ass job as part as a PR firm. They don't want to fix they want to "Treat" and mask the problem.

And the teachers are worthless to stop it because many are just too tired.

So tell me its the guns because I've fucking been there and it wasn't the gun that made me want to kill everyone it was the fact everyone was trying to make me kill myself.

But I fucking didn't because /I want to see their smug fat fucked up faces when I succeed when they say sorry and fucking mean it like the homeless little shits they will be. "
User avatar #47514 to #47512 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
One counselor would just talk forever, tell me I needed Jesus and showed me clips meant for 5 year olds.

Other have said to bullied kids "If we don't see it, it doesn't happen."

I get a sentence in at most and the guy would talk for an hour analyzing it.

I rather do homework at times or a quiz so I don't fall behind but no I HAVE to see the little shit.
User avatar #47516 to #47514 - jadewest (09/16/2013) [-]
same happens for me here

fucking counsellors don't help for shit
yet everyone goes "you should talk to dem dey help"
User avatar #47519 to #47516 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
No thanks I'll talk to an ACTUAL therapist.

Really want to help kids? Hire a real therapist to come in from time to time.
User avatar #47520 to #47519 - jadewest (09/16/2013) [-]
this

real therapists are good (most of the time) at least from my exoerience
User avatar #47521 to #47520 - undeadwill (09/16/2013) [-]
Indeed
User avatar #47470 to #47464 - akkere (09/16/2013) [-]
... Hm?
Is this some kind of weird troll post?
User avatar #47465 to #47464 - pebar (09/16/2013) [-]
The fear of getting shot while burglarizing someone's home is a pretty nice deterrent.
What are you talking about?
User avatar #47466 to #47465 - cdsams (09/16/2013) [-]
I know and agree. This paragraph was engineered for the likes of pro anti-gun individuals. I needed to emphasize my main point.
#47461 - byposted (09/15/2013) [-]
Another strategic victory for the Syrian Army as they regain control over the Christian town of Maaloula, driving the terrorists and their goats out.

Thus the only major victory of the rebels in the past week is ogre.
User avatar #47473 to #47461 - duudegladiator (09/16/2013) [-]
I really think that Syria needs to be opened up in terms of Information.

I Know that Syria is in Civil War, and that the "Rebels" have been massacre-ing Christians and innocents. But if the Syrian Army is the bad-guy, then why have i heard nothing about "Syrian Army bloodbath in Aleppo," or anything? I am being fed that Rebels = good and just don't see it that way. Why would Assad give up Chemical weapons so freely? I just don't know.

I think that Secularism is something that needs to be held onto and reinstated into the Middle East.
User avatar #47475 to #47473 - byposted (09/16/2013) [-]
The Syrian Army is portrayed as the bad guy by the media because the West has established that they want Syria to never be a legitimate country again. Thus it does not matter what the reality is. In order to legitimize intervention, for instance, Obama must portray Assad as a baby killer. Will there be any talk of his secularism or how the civil war stemmed from his liberalization policies which went down a slippery slope leading to the protests? No.

Would people be convinced that the bombing of Libya was a good thing if they knew the true character of Qaddafi; how hard he worked for his nation and the continent of Africa? Of course not. So the media made up ridiculous tales of his troops being given sexual enhancers.

Would the Americans and Canadians have been willing to send their sons oversees to battle Germans in a fight unrelated to their interests if they were not bombarded with such propaganda as "the crucified soldier" in the 1910s?
User avatar #47479 to #47475 - pebar (09/16/2013) [-]
America was selling arms and supplies to Europe before they got involved in WW1. The moment the allies looked like they were going to lose, America was like"NOOOO WE MUST PROTECT OUR INVESTMENT."
User avatar #47498 to #47479 - byposted (09/16/2013) [-]
Funny how this correlates well with what has happened in Libya and Syria. We only started bombing Qaddafi when it was clear that he was winning, analysts predicted that proxy support to the Libyan terrorists would have been suffice at first for regime change; the war-drums for Syria were pulled out only when the Syrian Army was making its largest advancements yet in the war, months ago.

The Americans, of course, began to intervene directly in the Great War only when the Germans began to obtain the upper hand on the Western front as Lenin purposefully destroyed the Russian Army.

The argument of protecting investments works very well and illustrates the point I have been making on this board in regards to the Syria issue. The US government and its regional allies are making heavy investments in the Syrian opposition and only now that it is starting to falter do you see the big player in this game, USA, threatening to intervene directly to protect these investments. Nothing is about chemical weapons or babies as nothing in the Great War was about "German barbarity" or a warmongering Kaiser who wanted to take over the entire world.
User avatar #47500 to #47498 - pebar (09/16/2013) [-]
But the allies bought all their supplies on credit which was why america had to protect its interests. As far as I know, transactions to the middle east are all cash.
User avatar #47523 to #47500 - byposted (09/16/2013) [-]
That's the technical difference but the concept is much the same.

What differs between the two situations is that America in WWI tied itself to the allied cause while in Syria it tied itself to legitimacy, if you will. What remains the same is that America is acting as a global power with its interests in mind.

In WWI, it stood for money which it lent with interest. In Syria, it too stands for the financial. Why do the oil-rich states of Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and UAE want Assad gone? It would harm their biggest competitors: Iran and Russia. Why does the US view Iran and Russia as enemies in the field of oil-trade? They don't utilize the precious dollar while Saudi Arabia and company does. The oil-trade is such that competition makes you lose billions daily. Is a victorious Syria much different than a victorious Germany, then? We're speaking of two very skewed scales when comparing WWI and Syria.

Let us put this into perspective. The total debt that was owed to the US after WWI by the various allied countries was around $184,000,000,000 (inflation taken into account). The total amount of crude oil traded everyday is around 87 million barrels. Rounding down the price of crude oil to just $110 a barrel, this global trade rakes in $9,570,000,000 daily. This means that every 20 days the value of all America's aid in WWI is met in crude oil trade. And this is just the trade. America gave her aid out in the span of years.

The terrorists in Syria are not paying for the vast amount of armaments they're receiving for they have little money, though the countries that are supplying them want Assad out of power in exchange for this overwhelming support. This is because they gain in the long term.

Do you know how much money the bombing of Libya costed? Billions. And it was all worth taking Libya back to the stone age under this pricetag according to NA Qaddafi's head was worth billions to some important people.
User avatar #47524 to #47523 - byposted (09/16/2013) [-]
according to NATO*
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#47455 - animedudej ONLINE (09/15/2013) [-]
'sup /politics/?
#47456 to #47455 - byposted (09/15/2013) [-]
Admin made "hate speech" a bannable offense.
User avatar #47462 to #47456 - pebar (09/15/2013) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect_(term)
hate crime is thought crime
User avatar #47477 to #47462 - animedudej ONLINE (09/16/2013) [-]
check my newest content... i forgot to post it here...
User avatar #47457 to #47456 - animedudej ONLINE (09/15/2013) [-]
i got a goodie in store for you
User avatar #47458 to #47457 - animedudej ONLINE (09/15/2013) [-]
it might take an hour to finish though
User avatar #47454 - tredbear (09/15/2013) [-]
Lil Hitler
#47449 - byposted (09/15/2013) [-]
Meanwhile, Bahrain is still "killing its own people." Why hasn't the US imposed sanctions? Why haven't they denounced them yet for not following UN protocol?

www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/15/324050/bahrainis-protest-killing-of-activist/
#47501 to #47449 - fatbenforever (09/16/2013) [-]
THIS PICTURE MAKES FAT BEN PROUD
User avatar #47468 to #47449 - defender (09/16/2013) [-]
because its home to the 5th fleet
User avatar #47469 to #47468 - byposted (09/16/2013) [-]
And that's because Bahrain's monarchy is subservient to the Saudi's and thus an ally of the US and Israel, bingo! Humanitarianism only works for John Kerry and Barack Hussein Obommer when it benefits their geopolitical interests.
#47451 to #47449 - pebar (09/15/2013) [-]
Normally I don't care about the pics you post but really..... what the fuck is wrong with you
Normally I don't care about the pics you post but really..... what the fuck is wrong with you
#47452 to #47451 - byposted (09/15/2013) [-]
Foreign policy made easy.
#47442 - CapnInterwebz (09/15/2013) [-]
Joe Biden 2016.   
No empty promises.   
No malarkey.   
   
 Please don't take this seriously
Joe Biden 2016.
No empty promises.
No malarkey.

Please don't take this seriously
User avatar #47474 to #47450 - duudegladiator (09/16/2013) [-]
If Ryan had just spoken up and not been a boyscout of Politicians... I swear that election was rigged from the start.
User avatar #47440 - pebar (09/15/2013) [-]
www.cnn.com/2013/09/14/us/california-schools-monitor-social-media/
how totalitarian is California going to get?
User avatar #47444 to #47440 - akkere (09/15/2013) [-]
The worst part is that this isn't the only case where a school has started looking into students' social media and acted upon what they found; a student in Indiana was expelled from his high school for dropping the f-bomb on his twitter, for instance. A principal of a high school in Missouri created a faked profile (comically using stock photos of penguins as her profile picture) and added students thereafter, and kept up the espionage game until someone else figured out what was up and posted up a status regarding the matter, which alarmed the principal and caused her to delete the profile entirely (that, or it got banned by an administrator of Facebook).

People need to be more alert about how much information they put on social media sites like Facebook and just how accessible it is for everyone including their bosses, their school administrators, and even private corporations who act as the highest bidder for their information.
#47443 to #47440 - CapnInterwebz (09/15/2013) [-]
More "preventive" reasoning. Looks like this school has been taking pointers from the NSA.

I don't see what could justify snooping through a 13-year-old's social media in case they post a picture of a gun or post something that makes them look depressed.

It legitimately saddens me that constitutional rights can be thrown out the window so quickly and with so little consideration.
User avatar #47463 to #47443 - cdsams (09/15/2013) [-]
Exactly! Guns, as every body well knows, are legal in the USA. You can post as many pictures of guns on your Facebook page as you want! Why should posting this kind of image on your page be condemned by some school that doesn't even have authoritative power over you while you are not on there premises?
#47432 - icecreamftw (09/15/2013) [-]
I'm nearing voting age, and will be able to vote in the 2016 presidential election.
So, I've been trying to educate myself more and see where I stand politically.

I'm already pretty dissatisfied and find my thoughts clashing with the Democratic and Republican party. Some of the ideas of Libertarianism resonate with me, and the Libertarian Party is the only sizable party I can find myself really agreeing with.

Though something kind of bothers me about it.

If the minimum wage is abolished and government regulation reduced, what can there be to prevent the problems that come with this? Like the problems seen in the second industrial revolution. The crowded slums, the run down tenement housing, the classism, and just general rampant inequality.
User avatar #47446 to #47432 - akkere (09/15/2013) [-]
Being completely disassociated with parties isn't a bad thing, in fact, it's probably the best thing because then you don't fall victim to biases. There's a lot of problems with the Dems and the Reps that make them both intolerable in a regard, and even the Libertarian party has their own stack of problems that showcases they aren't as pristine as most people here would like to believe.

The primary thing you want to do is pay attention to the candidate, because they will often have viewpoints that differ from even their own party in an attempt to appear bi-partisan, and I say "appear" because a candidate's platform is only as good as the actions representing it. If there's no action, it's just a stage, and should only be taken as such.

Basically, keep away from the parties, and focus on the candidates, and research the issues they take a stance on and what solutions they present for, if any.
Personally, I'm a centrist; I don't like extremes, I don't believe there should be too much of anything, and I don't believe issues can be solved simply with "yes/no" on them.
User avatar #47435 to #47432 - pebar (09/15/2013) [-]
politicalcompass.org/
take this and post the results, then we'll talk
User avatar #47431 - mixednuts (09/15/2013) [-]
If Jews really were to control everything secretly, and be able to keep the majority of the populace in the dark about it for centuries. That'd be pretty damn impressive.

Wouldn't it be likely that they're the master race?
User avatar #47448 to #47431 - byposted (09/15/2013) [-]
They don't control everything and don't do in the dark. Anybody can see how much control they have.
#47429 to #47428 - pebar (09/15/2013) [-]
It's surprising gun control comes from the democrats since the second amendment is there to ensure the authority to govern remains with the the people; it's a very democratic thing.
User avatar #47437 to #47429 - undeadwill (09/15/2013) [-]
It seems so many of the gun control nuts don't argue gun control policies ever in real life so they have only heard one side for so long.
User avatar #47436 to #47429 - undeadwill (09/15/2013) [-]
They are statist not democrats they could care less about democracy.
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User avatar #47439 to #47438 - undeadwill (09/15/2013) [-]
Couldn't*

Fuck you.
User avatar #47430 to #47429 - Shiny (09/15/2013) [-]
I get the point of the image, but peaceful demonstration (and I mean peaceful, not fat whores whining about men) and rehabilitation have been shown to be extremely more effective than punishment and passive aggression.

Cruel and unusual punishment does not make exceptions.
User avatar #47427 - pebar (09/15/2013) [-]
www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-august-12-2013-rand-paul
Rand Paul went on the daily show; it was pretty interesting.
Every time this guy talks, I love him.
User avatar #47447 to #47427 - akkere (09/15/2013) [-]
I can't really find much appeal in him, but I'm probably bias due to the fact he was apart of what was pretty much a filibuster against Sandy Aid (an issue that affected me personally; where the bias comes from), while asking for Aid in his own state after the disaster yet calling the issue of Sandy again a "gimme gimme my Sandy money" shtick.
User avatar #47441 to #47427 - CapnInterwebz (09/15/2013) [-]
If Rand Paul doesn't win the primaries for 2016 I will commit seppuku. This country can't stand for much longer if another all-red or all-blue president gets office.

User avatar #47422 - CapnInterwebz (09/15/2013) [-]
I want North Korea to do something silly again so we have something to talk about that isn't Syria.
User avatar #47423 to #47422 - akkere (09/15/2013) [-]
I'm hoping the agreement and whatever happens after that will be the final sword in it. Terribly unlikely though.

I thought the Mexican protest was pretty interesting though.
User avatar #47424 to #47423 - byposted (09/15/2013) [-]
Poland is being liberated which may or may not be interesting.
#47409 - akkere (09/14/2013) [-]
Right. So it's been to death, this Syria, but I feel this is a bit important to post.
Apparently, the US has finally reached an agreement with Russia in regards to Syria's chemical weapons and their disposal, the diplomatic talks were being made between US Secretary John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov as well as their respective teams, and both have recently made an announcement that they've reached an agreement in seizure of Syria's weapons, as well as the imposement of penalties should the Syrian government fail to comply to the framework the diplomatic teams have developed.

www.cnn.com/2013/09/13/politics/us-syria/index.html?hpt=po_c2

www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/14/us-russia-syria-weapons-talks-reach-critical-stage/

Resolution:
www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/09/14/framework-for-elimination-syrian-chemical-weapons/

Hopefully, this resolution goes through all the way and the US won't need to intervene into the war. A worrying thing however is that the resolution doesn't list any specific penalties that would be imposed on Syria, and there's still the fact that Assad has to agree to coughing up the chemical weapons, if he truly has any.
#47419 to #47409 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
It is a blatant hypocrisy for Obongo to say, "wez wantz peece muttafuggas" when he has been sending armaments to the anti-government forces from the beginning and was content with bombing Syria early – without any "diplomacy" – with his NATO allies.

War is the continuation of policy by other means. There are no hypocrisies here, as such. The fact is that the key interest of the US and its regional allies in regards to Syria is to not "secure chemical weapons" but to topple Assad.

What we are seeing with this "agreement" is a clever Russian deviation. Until a new "chemical attack" kills a gorrilian babies somewhere in Syria, Obongo is stuck in the embarrassing position of embracing this "diplomacy" which he obviously did not want to happen. His awkward speech earlier this week which I wrote about here manifested this fact.

The text of the "agreement" shows this lapse of reality. The "agreement" will go nowhere.

the United States and the Russian Federation express their joint determination to ensure the destruction of the Syrian chemical weapons program (CW) in the soonest and safest manner.
Note "soonest." The process would, in reality, take years. The US still has not gotten rid their "banned" weapons which was supposed to be done by 2010.

and in the event of non-compliance, including unauthorized transfer, or any use of chemical weapons by anyone in Syria, the UN Security Council should impose measures under Chapter VII of the UN Charter.
BY ANYONE? SHOULD? Obviously, Russia would never authorize any force in Syria. Assad still holds strategic importance while Qaddafi did not. This is silliest text seen in the "agreement" when you put that together with "by anyone."

We set ambitious goals for the removal and destruction of all categories of CW related materials and equipment with the objective of completing such removal and destruction in the first half of 2014.
Preposterous, as written above.
#47420 to #47419 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
The "secular" rebels had this to say about the agreement, moreover.

www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/14/323968/fsa-rejects-usrussia-deal-on-syria/

Selim Idris, the chief of the FSA, told reporters in Istanbul on Saturday that the foreign-backed group does not accept any part of the initiative, and that the group will continue to fight to topple the Syrian government.

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It's one thing to continue fighting Assad but another to say that you don't accept "any part of the initiative." Interesting as to his motive for saying what he did...
#47408 - feelythefeel (09/14/2013) [-]
So apparently there are more illegal immigrants coming to Canada from the USA than any other nationality. Does that mean I can treat Americans like they're dirt, now? If not, try doing what you preach and take it easy on the Mexicans. Just a bit.
User avatar #47411 to #47408 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
Do you have a source for that? I thought that Chinese workers overstaying their visas was a bigger problem than fat Americans crossing the border to buy bacon.

From how I see it, since the Canadian economy depends so heavily on the American, restricting commerce from the US would not do any good. But, it is entirely Canada's choice to be easy on immigration. According to the below, Mexicans like Canada better since they no longer have to worry about being deported.

www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/us/21refugees.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
User avatar #47412 to #47411 - feelythefeel (09/14/2013) [-]
I recently heard it on National Geographic.
#47415 to #47412 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
I question their claim for the Canadian government does not seem to do statistics on illegal immigration. We can see statistics on legal immigration, though. There usually is correlation between legal and illegal immigration via these categories.

Pictured is permanent residents to nationality.

In regards to foreign workers to nationality, American workers is the single biggest group averaging an input of 30,000 yearly.

In regards to foreign students to nationality, Chinese students is the single biggest group which was been seeing an increasing input yearly since 2006. In 2006, 8,903 Chinese students gained residency in Canada. In 2009, 16,373 gained residency. In 2012, 25,356 gained residency. On this course, it is set to go above 30,000 in 2013.

All these can be found in "Facts and figures 2012: Immigration overview."
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#47406 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
The past few days have been very good for Assad. The terrorists have suffered a number of defeats, the worst near Allepo which threatens to take down the entire insurgency. In response, the pro-Jew nations of the world today announced that they will be sending more and more armaments to the rebellion.

inserbia.info/news/2013/09/france-saudi-arabia-uae-jordan-to-boost-aid-to-syria-militants/

This defies Syria's command that support must be ceased to move on with a true diplomatic solution. Note how Jordan is among the nations who will be sending supplies to the rebellion despite their self-proclaimed "neutrality" in the war.

Notice this in the article:

It claimed the government’s “obstinance” was helping “extremist movements” and “threatens regional and international security.”

How can these stooges blame Assad when they're the ones who just agreed to send more supplies to these very terrorists? What doubletalk.
#47410 to #47406 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
To counteract, Russia is helping expand Iran's nuclear capabilities and is in the preliminary stages of trading heavy weapons with them. This is sure to cause much jew asspain.    
   
Iran to take over Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant soon   
www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/14/323828/russia-to-hand-over-bushehr-plant-to-iran/
To counteract, Russia is helping expand Iran's nuclear capabilities and is in the preliminary stages of trading heavy weapons with them. This is sure to cause much jew asspain.

Iran to take over Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant soon
www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/14/323828/russia-to-hand-over-bushehr-plant-to-iran/
User avatar #47382 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
konradkurze and me got into a little debate over who was worse the USA or North Korea. By worse we mean in virtue not power.

Thoughts?
User avatar #47387 to #47382 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
Over half the NK population is treated as slaves to the elite class. America's homeless are better off than them.
What is this virtue you speak of?
User avatar #47388 to #47387 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
He believes westerns are all evil and that North Korea isn't that bad compared to the US. He is strange.
He doesn't want to go to a political board because he sees no purpose in "Educating the intelligent"
User avatar #47394 to #47388 - konradkurze (09/14/2013) [-]
i do see a point in sharing information, i just feel more inclined to throwing politics around in front of the regular people so they can keep pretending reality doesnt exist

NOW
on this topic
the american people are a form of slave in their own country, just less obvious because the leadership of usa prefer pied piper approach rather than the iron fist

the citizens of NK have no power because if they question the government theyll be killed, the citizens of usa have no real power because the government doesnt listen to them anyway, and if they actually do make any kind of political move, the state has police plant 'aggressive protestors' in the numbers to spark things up and 'justify' police moving in to drag innocent protestors off for starting violence

NK has citizens underpaid and starving.....how many americans live below poverty line and how many work fulltime yet still need food stamps to survive

NK employers have a "work as we say or lose your job' mentality,,,alot of american ones do too

NK has a low crime rate because potential criminals fear punishment.....in usa land of laywers, even obviously guilty parties can get reduced sentences or off the charges......and both sides have the privileged elite who are effectively immune to laws

NK has a system where if you break the law the state can seize your property....USA has a similar system where the bank can seize your property - ( also see recent news where a 71 year old man got thrown out of his home by us marshals because he forgot to pay a $130 property tax)

shall i keep going?
User avatar #47396 to #47394 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
Remember you are trying to convince me that North Korea is better than the US.

You don't get food stamps if you work. If you do someone is cheating the system.

Actually people here have unions and do say "No" to their employers.

Actually the people in North Korea are more so brainwashed because they are denied access to the outside world in any way shape or form so when the government lies to them they have to accept it.

"Break state law" top lel. They will seize property whether you break the law or not. At least with the US its the basics of ANY nation including Europe. Don't pay taxes in Europe they will take your stuff. And domain is where they buy land cheaply by force for public projects. They aren't right but there is a difference.
User avatar #47402 to #47396 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
If I may point out the seizing property bit... with eminent domain, the owner must be justly compensated and whatever good was taken must be for public use

But police have a different kind of authority. When it comes to things like drugs, an elderly couple could have their home, which was fully paid for, confiscated by police if their son sells 2 oz of pot on the front doorstep. Police get a lot of their goodies this way, like fancy cars, boats, houses, all the fun stuff.
It is very totalitarian.
User avatar #47403 to #47402 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
Indeed.

But with eminent domain the government buys the land at below fair market prices without the owners consent and you have no choice to sell according to the farmers I've talked
User avatar #47399 to #47396 - konradkurze (09/14/2013) [-]
well as i pointed out in the below post, one cant really compare NK to usa at this point in time....but one simply way to put it is that NK like other asian nations, may be currently harsh BUT they are slowly westernizing and becoming more flexible....while over in usa its the reverse...usa is slowly becoming more totalitarianist and tightening the reigns on its people

with NK, they outright block people from the internet, in usa they are filtering and monitoring what they have access ...and even with the internet, when 9/10ths of the 'factual' websites are merely sharing the same state sponsored facts in the angle that such a method will convince people that the lies are truth....and both NK and usa have the media controlled by the state.....though with NK, they dont let dissenters on the air...in usa they do so they can publicly discredit them

User avatar #47395 to #47394 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
The US poverty line is actually relatively high so it's really unfair to compare countries like that. In NK, the people literally are starving and are forced to eat grass. In the US if you're poor, you might have to stay home and make some mac & cheese instead of going out to mcdonalds.

Yes, the people in the US are very susceptible to the bandwagon effect, but at least politicians can be voted out if the people aren't in blissful ignorance.

If people weren't forced to work, they wouldn't work at all. At least in America you have a decent choice of where to work. If your boss is a dick, it's because he's your boss and he's allowed to be; get used to it.

that crime one in the US is extremely exagerated

the property seizing one is true
User avatar #47397 to #47395 - konradkurze (09/14/2013) [-]
wel its hard to compare usa with NK....usa had the fortune to climb to power while NK didnt....though as much as NK has a poor way of life, USA is falling from grace and power is slowly handing over to other nations, so instead of killing its economy on a war budget usa should be cutting its expenses and trying to rebuild its power...kinda like how clinton cut a few bills and usa's economy was better

the problem with voting is that its all rigged, the whole issue of choice is a fraud, its alreay been decided it'll come down to the 2 major parties both of which are puppets of the corporations and reserve bank....

bosses shouldnt be dicks, in some countries if they are you can go above their heads and report them to their own bosses....dont know about usa......but systems where bosses can be dicks and the people just have to deal with tit, does resemble NK

in NK, if someone commits a crime, theyre either guilty or not guilty, the only political motivations are if the crime even barely counted as against the state...is usa, legal proceedings can if necessary be milked by the state and media to distract the people from real issues....(like how long did the media circus fucking go on about zimmerman?....or OJ simpson back in his day)
User avatar #47405 to #47397 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
also, there are huge factions in both parties
#47401 to #47397 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
The economy always ends up being better when you don't have a giant parasitic government sucking it dry to run its shenanigans. Companies (and people) need their profits to grow.   
   
Most of the grip of the corporations come from political advertisements that influence braindead voters, not to politicians directly. In this case it's the people's own fault for being stupid. Also, the primaries are the most important part of the election IMO because without them you really do end of with shitty candidates in the general election. I wouldn't call it rigged that it comes down to 2 parties, it just happens because the population thinks those are the only 2 that matter.   
   
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The economy always ends up being better when you don't have a giant parasitic government sucking it dry to run its shenanigans. Companies (and people) need their profits to grow.

Most of the grip of the corporations come from political advertisements that influence braindead voters, not to politicians directly. In this case it's the people's own fault for being stupid. Also, the primaries are the most important part of the election IMO because without them you really do end of with shitty candidates in the general election. I wouldn't call it rigged that it comes down to 2 parties, it just happens because the population thinks those are the only 2 that matter.

<-- media

User avatar #47421 to #47401 - konradkurze (09/14/2013) [-]
well thats just it, its been the goverment engineering the people to be stupid for that that purpose of making them easy to control

voting is rigged and its only ever given an illusion of choice to convince the people they have some form of power, in reality its whoever the pupetmasters behind the scenes want, and they choreograph up the election campaigns to make one candidate appear the good guy and the other guy a complete idiot - take a look at the last election....much as people hated obama for screwing up in his first term, they engineered romney to sound like an evil bastard to make obama seem better by comparison....thus when their hand picked puppet obama 'won' the elections, people actually beleives he was voted in as the lesser of 2 evils

with NK, at least theyre honest in saying "this is who we picked to be your leader"
#47407 to #47401 - valeriya (09/14/2013) [-]
You only need to ask who benefits.
#47380 - CapnInterwebz (09/14/2013) [-]
&gt;mfw another post praising &quot;Radimir&quot; Putin reached the front page again   
   
Maybe if the masses spent more than 30 seconds thinking about him and actually looked into the man rather than just laughing at what the internet says about him, they would learn that he's a manipulator and is in no place to lecture Americans on democracy and equality. Whilst he wags his finger at the US for their &quot;false exceptionalism&quot;, his government sells arms to the League of Villains (Iran, Syria, NK, blah blah blah) and is re-gulaging all the undesirables.   
   
This small issue leads to a bigger one: the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans have no fucking clue when it comes to politics, international or otherwise. How many people voted for Obama because he was black? How many people voted for Romney because he was pro choice pro life pro choice pro life? How many people even bother voting when it comes to Congressional or state-level elections? The people that flaunt the fact that their nation is a democracy don't even act like they live there. They'll talk about how soldiers fight all over the world to protect their liberties and then they don't take advantage of any that occur outside their bedroom window. The President will go on TV and say he is the leader of the world's oldest constitutional democracy without mentioning the fact that the US has one of the world's lowest voter turnout rates.    
   
tl;dr: I'm fucking tired of political slacktivism (just made that up, waiting for my letter from CNN now) and general apathy when it comes to the issues that literally dictate people's lives. If you don't give a damn about your government, then go move to Turkey or Egypt or even Russia and see what happens when the government acts without the support of its people.
>mfw another post praising "Radimir" Putin reached the front page again

Maybe if the masses spent more than 30 seconds thinking about him and actually looked into the man rather than just laughing at what the internet says about him, they would learn that he's a manipulator and is in no place to lecture Americans on democracy and equality. Whilst he wags his finger at the US for their "false exceptionalism", his government sells arms to the League of Villains (Iran, Syria, NK, blah blah blah) and is re-gulaging all the undesirables.

This small issue leads to a bigger one: the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans have no fucking clue when it comes to politics, international or otherwise. How many people voted for Obama because he was black? How many people voted for Romney because he was pro choice pro life pro choice pro life? How many people even bother voting when it comes to Congressional or state-level elections? The people that flaunt the fact that their nation is a democracy don't even act like they live there. They'll talk about how soldiers fight all over the world to protect their liberties and then they don't take advantage of any that occur outside their bedroom window. The President will go on TV and say he is the leader of the world's oldest constitutional democracy without mentioning the fact that the US has one of the world's lowest voter turnout rates.

tl;dr: I'm fucking tired of political slacktivism (just made that up, waiting for my letter from CNN now) and general apathy when it comes to the issues that literally dictate people's lives. If you don't give a damn about your government, then go move to Turkey or Egypt or even Russia and see what happens when the government acts without the support of its people.



User avatar #47404 to #47380 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
Putin is the most popular Russian leader since the fall of the USSR. He was elected in fair elections three times yet you say he is acting without support of his people? What has he done that the people don't support? Asspained commies aren't people.

When you say that Putin is a manipulator, so are all politicians. The fact that Putin got to the position of writing that NYT Article only shows that he has beat Obongo severely in foreign affairs. He did not write that article to rally for popular support in the US, after all.
User avatar #47426 to #47404 - undeadwill (09/15/2013) [-]
"Asspained commies aren't people."

Better dead than red
User avatar #47383 to #47380 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
pro choice pro life pro choice pro life

Fucking lost it.
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