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#28111 - psykojet (04/29/2013) [-]
Rate me
User avatar #28159 to #28111 - Shiny (04/29/2013) [-]
It says I'm a Bill Clinton liberal and a cosmopolitan social democrat
User avatar #28155 to #28111 - CapnInterwebz (04/29/2013) [-]
What site is this?
#28129 to #28111 - anonymous (04/29/2013) [-]
9/10

Welcome to the lefties of this board.
User avatar #28121 to #28111 - oxan (04/29/2013) [-]
You're a social democrat, but the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
#28123 to #28121 - oxan (04/29/2013) [-]
I am also ready for your red thumbs.
User avatar #28119 to #28111 - Ruspanic (04/29/2013) [-]
2/10 would not bang
#28117 to #28111 - repostsrepost (04/29/2013) [-]
pinko commie
User avatar #28112 to #28111 - pebar ONLINE (04/29/2013) [-]
As long as you can reasonably defend your views in an argument, it does really matter. Most people can't defend their views because they just follow whatever the media says and they can't think for themselves. I'd rather you be a hardcore totalitarian fascist than a dumbass uninformed progressive liberal.
User avatar #28113 to #28112 - pebar ONLINE (04/29/2013) [-]
doesn't matter*
#28110 - pebar ONLINE (04/29/2013) [-]
I hope the US doesn't get involved in Syria; you'd think we'd have learned by now...
User avatar #28208 to #28110 - CapnInterwebz (04/30/2013) [-]
Damned if we do; damned if we don't.
#28128 to #28110 - anonymous (04/29/2013) [-]
They already are.
#28094 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
something new to talk about.
why foreign aid sucks.

have you ever wondered why there aren't any african farmers?
because they can't compete with all the free food we send.
instead of becoming self sufficient, the are dependent on the rest of the world.

give a man a fish, feed him for a day.
teach him how to fish, and never worry about him again.
User avatar #28105 to #28094 - oxan (04/29/2013) [-]
That's not necessarily an argument against foreign aid. It's just criticising the way foreign aid is distributed.
User avatar #28097 to #28094 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
*cough*
welfare
*cough*
User avatar #28082 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
As a superpower, does America have a duty to get involved in other countries' affairs if they violate international law, or is it up to them to decide what and what not to get involved in? If America is free to decide what international laws to enforce, would that mean any international action is just an imposition of one country's will on another and not a means of justice?

If America chooses not to act when a country uses chemical weapons, should America resign as a superpower?
#28137 to #28082 - oxan (04/29/2013) [-]
What we have to understand is a country will rarely do anything unless it somehow benefits. The fact that the United States will ignore incidents such as the genocide in Rwanda, and at other times install dictators (such as in the case of Iran and Chile), means that United States as no credibility as a liberator.

The claim that it's bringing democracy to a country, or liberating the people of a given state, is ridiculous and nothing but propaganda to mask its imperialism.

Pic somewhat related.
#28102 to #28082 - repostsrepost (04/29/2013) [-]
International law doesn't exist. The very purpose of sovereignty is that there is no foreign body can tell you what policy to pursue. For example, all international law is illegitimate to the US because the Constitution doesn't authorize any power above that of Congress.
#28080 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
DEATH TO AMERICA!
#28090 to #28080 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
BEST KOREA SHALL REIGN SUPREME
#28079 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
FAT BENS POOP MAKE YOU FART
#28078 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
the boston bombings didn't happen

it is hollywood

no terrorists

no deaths

no injuries
#28093 to #28078 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
Nothing happened at all. Ever. Your whole life is an illusion.
#28060 - tredbear (04/28/2013) [-]
One day, a fourth Reich will rise and take power, but not in my lifetime.
#28118 to #28060 - repostsrepost (04/29/2013) [-]
Yeah they'll totally toke over America with 80 year old armor and rifles.
#28087 to #28060 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
Foreign troops on American soil, that's a laugh.
If the military fails, there's the national guard.
If the national guard fails, there's a well-armed civilian militia.
If the civilian militia fails, there is no America left to conquer.
User avatar #28095 to #28087 - Zarke (04/28/2013) [-]
Then why the fuck do they try to take "well-armed" out of "civilian militia"?
User avatar #28099 to #28095 - duudegladiator (04/29/2013) [-]
Because the rich people don't understand the needs for guns goes past "Hunting".
User avatar #28100 to #28099 - Zarke (04/29/2013) [-]
At the very least it's a gesture. Bearing arms in itself is an act of defiance, the very thing that founded the U.S. in the first place. Of course some people should be free to be complacent if they choose, but why should that mean that everyone has to be?
User avatar #28101 to #28100 - duudegladiator (04/29/2013) [-]
It is a thing of Complacency along with a feeling of self righteousness. Those people who don't want others to own guns have multiple bodyguards who possess guns. They are just too stupid to understand it.

I love the saying a Japanese Admiral said during WW2 about invading the U.S.
"If we were to invade the US, we would find a gun behind every blade of grass."
#28062 to #28061 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
Glory to union, purge the lumpen.
#28066 to #28062 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
GLORY TO FAT BEN'S POOP
#28052 - teoberry (04/28/2013) [-]
Discuss. Also, Britain's going down the shitter. I guarantee that in 15 years, a sewing needle will be called a WMD there.
#28065 to #28052 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
FAT BEN'S POOP IS A WMD
User avatar #28057 to #28052 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
Like pebar said, almost all of us recognise gun control as something bad and undesirable.
User avatar #28053 to #28052 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
This is what happens when people rely on the government to do things people should do themselves. Governments are not powerful enough to protect everyone and if they were, the people would live in fear. If society is well-armed, the people would not be victimized because criminals simply would not risk it so a strong government would not be needed and everyone would be happy.

anyway, this board has already reached the consensus that gun control is bad
#28032 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
In america, people under the poverty line are richer than 85% of the rest of the world.

now that makes sense, since most of the "poor" people i see seem to be doing fairly well, considering how overweight they are.

So, i would say capitalism has worked pretty well.
#28075 to #28032 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
Many in America are "poor" because they can't stop swiping their credit card on things they don't need to survive.

And fat for eating at McDonalds every damn meal and snack of the day.
User avatar #28051 to #28032 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
I forgot to mention. The seven richest people in the world make more than the combined GDP of the poorest forty countries. One of those countries has over 60 million citizens.

If you call that capitalism working, you're more deluded than you make me out to be.
#28054 to #28051 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
Of those 40 poorest countries, how many of them have oppressive governments that don't allow people to live freely?

map of government corruption (red is corrupt)
#54676 to #28054 - commission (12/30/2013) [-]
>implying that Iran is corrupt
>implying that Iran is corrupt
User avatar #28056 to #28054 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
Corruption =/= oppressive. Corruption just further highlights the failures of capitalism. In the USSR, an ordinary bribe would be something as simple as a bottle of vodka. In the Russian Federation, it's more akin to a week's wages.
User avatar #28064 to #28056 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
"A study published in 2002 found a "very strong significant correlation" between the Corruption Perceptions Index and two other proxies for corruption; Black Market activity and overabundance of regulation."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
User avatar #28091 to #28064 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
How do they define 'overabundance'? Many of the states with the lowest levels of corruption have quite significant regulation.

Even then, South American states underwent rapid and near total deregulation and transfered to a total free market in the latter half of the 20th Century, yet were perhaps the most corrupt at the time, or at least repressive.
User avatar #28042 to #28032 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
Maybe they're overweight because they're poor
#28047 to #28042 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
THEY'RE OVERWEIGHT BECAUSE OF FAT BEN'S POOP
User avatar #28041 to #28032 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
>What is absolute and relative poverty?

Just because people some people are managing to remain in the middle class's today that doesn't mean they won't fall into the working class tomorrow.
#28048 to #28041 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
the middle class is the working class
the people in poverty are parasites because they are the not-working class
User avatar #28050 to #28048 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
0/10. Try harder, Anon.
User avatar #28049 to #28048 - Ruspanic (04/28/2013) [-]
I'm no leftie but that's some bullshit.
User avatar #28024 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
If smoking marijuana was legal in all states, or your state at least, would you feel more comfortable smoking it? I know so many people that will not smoke pot and I'm wondering if it's because it may be considered a sin in their religion, or the fact that it's illegal. Or maybe they just don't like it. For those of you who are reading this, do you smoke???
User avatar #28390 to #28024 - Patheos (05/04/2013) [-]
I'd be totally fine is recreational marijuana was illegal. I wouldn't smoke it myself, though. I don't like the ought of being out of control of myself, even just a little.
#28071 to #28024 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
weed is for lumpen scum
User avatar #28076 to #28071 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
Will you be my husband?
User avatar #28033 to #28024 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
I've never tried it but from what I've heard, I'd put it in the same category as alcohol. I don't really care if other people do them as long as they're responsible. If i did considered it a sin, I wouldn't force my religious beliefs on others. I've never tried it because I don't have connections I don't like the idea of foreign substances messing with the way my brain works, same for alcohol. I've watched my stoner friend drop out of high school because he made a lot of bad choices that probably had it's roots with him being pretty reckless.

I don't think it should be legalized because it is called the gateway drug. If people become addicted to drugs like heroin because of weed, demand would increase and therefore price would increase. If prices increase, it expands the market for hard drugs which would increase crime, gang activity, smuggling across the boarder, and increase the activity of cartels in Mexico and South America which drives more illegal immigration which hurts the economy because we are flooded with low skill workers who then take advantage of our entitlements problem. Other things need to change before America is ready to legalize marijuana.
User avatar #28034 to #28033 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
I like your last point, but I disagree that it's a gateway drug. Well maybe. I'm conflicted. I just try to think of how marijuana can help the economy. Maybe I disagree because I know some people who smoke and aren't fuck ups. I'm not a fuck up certainly. Maybe.
User avatar #28037 to #28034 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
People who have shown that drugs are a problem in their lives should be barred from entitlements like welfare and food stamps. Not just crimes cause by drugs, but also people whose productivity in the economy has been significantly reduced. If people want to fuck up their lives, that's their own problem, but society shouldn't have to support those who are not willing to at least try to get out of poverty.

Marijuana does not help the economy; it screws it over because it greatly decreases productivity.
User avatar #28038 to #28037 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
Well argued.
User avatar #28039 to #28038 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
But I should point out that's I still think people should eventually be allowed to choose for themselves; I just think that if they screw up, it's their own fault so they shouldn't expect society's help.
User avatar #28040 to #28039 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
I understand.
User avatar #28043 to #28040 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
Personal freedom to choose your own life is the American philosophy.
I'm done now.
User avatar #28025 to #28024 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
I don't smoke it because I don't like it, and I find the culture of it undesirable and antisocial.
User avatar #28027 to #28025 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
Do you dislike people that smoke it?
User avatar #28028 to #28027 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
I don't dislike the individual, necessarily, I dislike the behaviour. My girlfriend, for example, used to smoke it. She doesn't anymore, but if she did it again, I would be pissed off. Not because I dislike her, but because my stance on it has been made quite clear, and by doing it again she would be knowingly antagonistic towards me.

Does that make sense to you? I hate using FJ on my phone.
User avatar #28029 to #28028 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
Yes sir.

Have you tried it?
User avatar #28030 to #28029 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
>Sir

Lol, why call me sir?

And no, I never went through with it. It's just been a constant feature of life since high school and I've seen good people turn into something they shouldn't have.
User avatar #28031 to #28030 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
Why shouldn't I call you Sir?

That's the real question, Sir.
User avatar #28035 to #28031 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
You can call me site if you want, I really don't mind. There's just no reason to call me that.
User avatar #28036 to #28035 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
I like referring to people as sir.
User avatar #28059 to #28036 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
Fair enough.
#28044 to #28036 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
i like referring to people as "nigger"
User avatar #28045 to #28044 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
Hey!! Me too!!!
User avatar #28020 - pebar ONLINE (04/28/2013) [-]
If republicans were for gay marriage, how many more of the votes do you think they would get?
#28046 to #28020 - anonymous (04/28/2013) [-]
It would not make a difference in the vote count. They'd gain the support of some right-leaning centrists and libertarians, but would lose the support of the fundies.

It would help in the long run though. With the fundies out of the picture the party would lose some of its stigma as "religious nutjobs."
User avatar #28021 to #28020 - ilovelsloths (04/28/2013) [-]
They would probably get a few more votes, but I don't think it'd make much of a difference. Our president at the moment is all for gay rights and so if the republican candidate were to say "we're for gay rights!!!" then actually, I bet quite a lot of republicans wouldn't vote for them anymore because there is a great majority of stupid republicans (as there are stupid democrats). But as I was saying before, if both candidates were for gay rights then they'd move onto the next big topic and go on from there, but I really believe there would be less votes.
#28017 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
>mfw anon

Srsly anon, the board just wouldn't be interesting without you.
#27998 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
it would be great if we could just kill off people like oxan.

but then we would be just as bad as communists then.
but the world would be so much better.
User avatar #28014 to #27998 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
I remember the days when no one knew my name...
User avatar #28005 to #27998 - ragnarfag (04/27/2013) [-]
Yes, because history has shown that massmurdering people always made the world better.
#28010 to #28005 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
According to deluded communists, it does.
User avatar #28026 to #28010 - oxan (04/28/2013) [-]
Call me when communism has a death toll of over 220 million. I'm also being very generous with that figure.
#28103 to #28026 - repostsrepost (04/29/2013) [-]
What is the People's Republic of China?
User avatar #28104 to #28103 - oxan (04/29/2013) [-]
Who is Deng?
#28106 to #28104 - repostsrepost (04/29/2013) [-]
Who is Mao Zedong?
User avatar #28107 to #28106 - oxan (04/29/2013) [-]
The guy that industrialised China, doubled the life expectancy, dramatically increased grain production, and then was the victim of a propaganda campaign by Deng.
#28116 to #28107 - repostsrepost (04/29/2013) [-]
Also the guy who killed millions in a collectivization massacre that surpassed even Stalin, and let's not forget the cultural revolution.
User avatar #28120 to #28116 - oxan (04/29/2013) [-]
>was the victim of a propaganda campaign by Deng.

I won't comment on the cultural revolution, since I haven't really read too much about it. As for collectivisation, most death toll figures are based on dubious sources - see above - and are likely exaggerated. While there were deaths - mostly due to natural disasters and whether (and some policy errors, which Mao took responsibility for) - it was also necessary, and did indeed benefit the Chinese people in the long run.

As Stalin said, countries like the USSR and post-Revolution China were lagging behind developed nations. It was really a matter of industrialise or die.

Fun fact: Stalin said that the USSR was about 50-100 years behind the other nations, and that it must either industrialise rapidly within 10 years or be destroyed. This was in 1931. What happened 10 years later?
User avatar #28019 to #28010 - yourbed (04/27/2013) [-]
Reminds me of a special little Argentinian i know of.
#28006 to #28005 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
Well... If you take 190 productive people and 10 lumpen scum if I kill the lumpen scum society is better off 10 less drains on the system.
#28008 to #28006 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
Shouldn't you get off the computer and start being productive, then? Or do you want to get killed for being part of the lumpen scum?
User avatar #28007 to #28006 - ragnarfag (04/27/2013) [-]
>history
>has shown
What you brought up is a theory not political and social reality.
#28009 to #28007 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
Well if we look at reality when you kill all the lumpen people the percentage of productive working people increases so I guess mass-murdering does work when used against the right groups.
User avatar #27999 to #27998 - takamori (04/27/2013) [-]
Nice to see that politics hasn't changed mutch since i was gone.
#27992 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
oxan

Political internet warier of the century
#27997 to #27992 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
It is almost like he has a diffrent view than me.
#27994 to #27992 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
amon.goeth
i know.
#27993 to #27992 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
*warrior
#27966 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
Without meaning to sound edgy to anyone who doesn't understand the concepts of counterrevolution and revolution, but why the hell does every dotp nation preserve the lumpen I mean seriously If it was up to me I'd be lining them up and shooting them.
User avatar #27970 to #27966 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
If they're not working, they're committing crimes to survive or they're starving. If they're committing crimes, they're arrested and dealt with, if they're starving, they starve.

If they're working, they're contributing to society.

Why waste time rounding up those that aren't actively opposing the dictatorship of the proletariat when there's plenty of active counterrevolutionaries we can be introducing into firing squads?
#27973 to #27970 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
such a fucking soviet.
bet you masturbate to portraits of stalin and lenin.
bet, you're unemployed too.
User avatar #27975 to #27973 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Only to Marx. I have a thing for great big bushy beards.

I like to masturbate to Marx's beard while I'm working.
#27980 to #27975 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
must be some hard work.
sitting on the computer, trying to argue for socialism and masturbating.
User avatar #27984 to #27980 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Very difficult.

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to sit on a computer all day at work. It must be why I'm so angsty and a communist, I guess.
#27968 to #27963 - yourbed (04/27/2013) [-]
Found this one funnier.
#27959 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
Nigger is nigger, therefore we must nigger.
User avatar #27957 - dracodiabolus **User deleted account** (04/27/2013) [-]
You guy's opinion on communism vs capitalism?
User avatar #27967 to #27957 - mykoira (04/27/2013) [-]
great ideas both, shame that communism cannot work with humans
User avatar #27971 to #27967 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Please, tell us why?
User avatar #27974 to #27971 - mykoira (04/27/2013) [-]
world where all the people live under one 'country' where no one owns anything can't just work with humans
User avatar #27976 to #27974 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Good thing there are no countries and there's widespread ownership of personal property in a communist society, huh?
#27962 to #27957 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
there are endless examples of capitalism working

and of the failures of communism.
#27979 to #27962 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
If you call constantly suffering recessions, while millions of people are living in extreme poverty, barely fulfilling their basic physical needs, and nearly all the rest are enduring wage slavery, while there's some small class stealing the labour of others, 'working', then I guess capitalism 'works'.

And if you call turning a severely underdeveloped state, ravaged by a world war and a civil war, where peasants form 80% of the population into the world's second largest industrial power, with free and comprehensive health care, free, comprehensive and world class education, where there exists a right to work and a right to rest (at least a month long vacation annually with fully pay), a 'failure', then I guess communism is a failure.

While we're at it, let us remember the failure of achieving all that in a quarter of a century. Or the failure of doubling the life expectancy of China in about the same period.

Yeah, failures everywhere.
#27982 to #27979 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
you are delusional, aren't you?
User avatar #27986 to #27982 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Well, are you going to point out anything delusional in what I said? Are you seriously going to deny millions live in poverty?
User avatar #27960 to #27957 - pebar ONLINE (04/27/2013) [-]
people are by nature selfish pricks
greed drives capitalism
nationalism and generosity drives communism

therefore communism cannot work without socialism
socialism would have to be absolutely perfect to work
governments are made up of people
a socialist government will inevitably be corrupted because people are selfish
corrupt governments cannot perfectly allocate resources
socialism is doomed to fail
communism is doomed to fail

capitalism means people do what they want
capitalism is regulated by competition
perfect competition requires an infinite amount of people, knowledge, and time to react
competition is not perfect
incomplete competition creates monopolistic competition
monopolistic competition is a fucking warzone
monopolistic competition drives weak firms out of the market
oligopolies are created
oligopolies will merge to maximize profit because people are greedy
monopolies screw over the economy
unregulated capitalism is doomed to fail
User avatar #27981 to #27960 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Debatable.
I guess go.
Lol, not at all. Social patriotism and comradeship are probably more accurate descriptions of motivators. They don't do communism the justice it deserves, though. It is late, I guess.

Pretty much only anarchists think communism can work with socialism.
Are you implying capitalism is absolutely perfect? Why would socialism have to be 'absolutely perfect'? What does that even mean?
Yes.
You'd think so, but that's why we have purges!
Probably not. Good thing we had the purges, amirite?
If it's not allocating resources well, I guess so. Soviet planners proved to be pretty apt planners, though.
You can't really make that conclusion at this point, though.

Uh, no, that's communism you're thinking of.
Oh, you're adorable. Capitalism is regulated by the capitalists. The consumers and the workers have no say.
See above.
See above.
Monopolies are the goals of any capitalist that is truly a capitalist. What does an individual capitalist care about fairness?
See above.
See above.
See above.
See above.
See above.
Capitalism in any form is doomed to fail sooner or later. Eventually, it's going to run out of people willing to work slave wages.
User avatar #27995 to #27981 - pebar ONLINE (04/27/2013) [-]
fairness =/= equality
User avatar #28015 to #27995 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Yes, and? We're not looking for equality either.
#27985 to #27981 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
_ Eventually, it's going to run out of people willing to work slave wages_

you're a fucking moron.
User avatar #27987 to #27985 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Yet you didn't actually make any counter argument.
User avatar #27961 to #27960 - pebar ONLINE (04/27/2013) [-]
so it's somewhere in between...
big firms only need to be regulated for capitalism to work
#27958 to #27957 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
not like it's been gone over 100 times
and here comes oxan
User avatar #27972 to #27958 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
Evening.
User avatar #27978 to #27972 - oxan (04/27/2013) [-]
I should probably add: and here comes the red thumbs for me.
#27952 - anonymous (04/26/2013) [-]
Woohoo, I'm a citizen of Best Korea! Right on!
User avatar #27969 to #27952 - yourbed (04/27/2013) [-]
Get back to work!
#27990 to #27969 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
HOLY SHIT! Beds can talk in Best Korea! OMGOMGOMG!!!!!!
User avatar #27991 to #27990 - yourbed (04/27/2013) [-]
No rest work!
#28003 to #27991 - anonymous (04/27/2013) [-]
Yes master bed, back to work I shall go!

*salutes and marches off to work*
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