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#107992 - pebar
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(02/27/2016) [-]
#107986 - lotengo
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(02/27/2016) [-]
The Federal Election Commission:
Thousands of Bernie Sanders donations are illegal
www.nationalreview.com/corner/431983/bernie-sanders-fec-investigating-illegal-contributions
#108035 to #107986 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Not surprising, given that his campaign is run on the collective sum of a fuckload of small contributions. There's no reason $3000 should be more disconcerting than $300000.
#108036 to #108035 - lotengo
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(02/27/2016) [-]
tho i have read in a Dutchs news source that he is currently spending more money on ads than he receives.
At least he breaks the 'good with money' stereotype
#108039 to #108036 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Is the idea that a political campaign should be profitable that normal?
#108042 to #108039 - lotengo
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(02/27/2016) [-]
No, but the idea that you campaign yourself in debt is also not the best concept in the world.
Is he paying it out of his own pockets lateron? Is he gonna shove the bill to the taxpayer he is going to violently rape anyway?
Anyway, its a huge gamble and its not good for his cause.
I think begging your gullible fanbase is actually a better idea. Or shill to wallstreet, we already know Soros 4 times as rich as Trump, been accused of insider trading, had to explain his role in the 2008 crisis to congress and stated he uses his fortune to push his political agenda's.
endorces Sanders.

#108043 to #108042 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
His "gullible" fanbase has raised millions every month, so it's unlikely he doesn't know what he is doing.

It's also dishonest to bring up Soros when he has backed Clinton with millions and given nothing to Sanders.
#107990 to #107986 - pebar
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(02/27/2016) [-]
If he doesn't do EXACTLY what they say
and he makes a big deal about silencing the american people or something

he'll look like a huge hypocrite and everyone will jump on that
this has so much potential to derail his push for campaign finance regulation
#107984 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I asked this before but didn't get a good answer. Is there an actual reason to vote for Trump,
#108169 to #107984 - canyou
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(02/28/2016) [-]
He's further right than Hillary.
#108170 to #108169 - theism
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(02/28/2016) [-]
Is that the only reason?
#108174 to #108170 - canyou
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(02/28/2016) [-]
Well you could make the argument that America needs a strongman for potus, but personally I'd only vote for him because he's "conservative". Notice the quotations. I don't want to vote for a guy who's so vague that his own supporters can't explain his policies.
#108065 to #107984 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Do you want a serious answer...? Because I will drop a load on you if you actually care.
#108079 to #108065 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I want a serious answer from an intelligent person. Can you handle that?
#108127 to #108079 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I feel like you won't take anything I write seriously because you are far too close minded to actually discuss politics.
#108129 to #108127 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
That's pretty closed minded of you.
#108038 to #107984 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
If you have conservative/right leanings, you have a candidate that isn't a religious entryist.
#108012 to #107984 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
1.) His stance on immigration. Fuck illegal immigrants, fuck the migrant crisis, fuck immigrants that might be here to cause trouble. Doesn't get better than that.
2.) Anti-GOP establishment. He's the only Republican candidate that isn't in bed with the GOP establishment.
3.) Anti-PC. Trump is pretty much the antithesis of PC culture, or at least as close as you'll get in mainstream western politics nowadays.
4.) Strong foreign policy. No more under the table deals to sell out our interests to China for a quick buck. Trump'll negotiate, and he'll re-negotiate.

Just to name a few.
#108171 to #108012 - theism
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(02/28/2016) [-]
Do you support his proposed tariffs?
#108183 to #108171 - feelythefeel
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(02/28/2016) [-]
I haven't seen them, I can't say. But generally speaking, I'm all for policy that moves us towards an autarky.
#108219 to #108183 - theism
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(02/28/2016) [-]
Why?
#108220 to #108219 - feelythefeel
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(02/28/2016) [-]
Because I'm a proponent against the international clique. You can't oppose global bankers if you're in bed with globalist policies.
#108221 to #108220 - theism
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(02/28/2016) [-]
Why is globalization bad?
#108222 to #108221 - feelythefeel
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(02/28/2016) [-]
Because at the current juncture, it's dominated by an international cabal of moneyed interests with no loyalties or concerns for it's constituent nation-states.
#108223 to #108222 - theism
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(02/28/2016) [-]
It's the same at the National level.
#108287 to #108223 - feelythefeel
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(02/29/2016) [-]
Yep.
#108017 to #108012 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Do you feel Trump is the only candidate who will do anything about illegal immigration?
#108022 to #108017 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
There might be other Republican candidates, but certainly not any Democrats. And even the other Republicans aren't as guaranteed to make the attempt, nor will they make any as drastic as Trump will.
#108023 to #108022 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
What do you like about his immigration policy?
#108024 to #108023 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Honestly, we're in a drastic situation here. I like how Trump is willing to take the drastic action needed to solve the problem. He's the only one willing to bring more than a bucket to a wildfire.
#108025 to #108024 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
So you like that his solution is the most extreme?
#108027 to #108025 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Out of the main candidates? Yes.
#108031 to #108027 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Interesting. Is there a position on the issue you would consider too extreme, or simply impractical?
#108082 to #108031 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Probably, but I'm generally more radical than mainstream politics would allow, so I have yet to reach that limit with a nominee.
#108084 to #108082 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I take it you support the wall?
#108106 to #108084 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
It's welfare that fights unemployment at the same time.
#108108 to #108106 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Wellfare has a stipulation that you must find work.
#108111 to #108108 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Not where I am, but maybe it's different down south. And besides, this would directly combat unemployment, as opposed to just expecting welfare recipients to fix it themselves.
#108113 to #108111 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
It's a very temporary solution. And presumably if these projects are valuable local economies would produce them themselves.
#108115 to #108113 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
So Germany should've just left the construction of the autobahn to "local governments"? Even if they had succeeded, it wouldn't have been nearly to the safety, quality and environmental standards that the autobahn was actually built by.

This is the only real way that a form of welfare can directly pay for itself, as opposed to indirectly, and only possibly over the course of generations.
#108117 to #108115 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Germany didn't build the autobahn as a form of wellfare.
#108133 to #108117 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Of course. But when you're a national socialist, you take what you can get. There aren't exactly a wealth of popular politicians that I agree with at all.
#108135 to #108133 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
You might want to think about why that is.
#108136 to #108135 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I know exactly why that is. I have to go now, be back later.
#108120 to #108117 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
If I recall correctly, Germany built the autobahn for two reasons.

1.) Because their support of the automotive industry creative a boom in car ownership that necessitated a major road network.
2.) In order to hire from local labour pools.

Projects like these created a situation where jobs outstripped actual German labour, causing Germany to hire the unemployed from neighboring countries as well.
#108123 to #108120 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
A national highway system is an objectively valuable thing.
#108126 to #108123 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Yes, especially in a country with a nascent, booming automotive industry. That's half the point of these projects. It isn't just about bringing down unemployment, it's about putting that labour to work for the betterment of whatever you throw it at.
#108131 to #108126 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
A highway system benefits every industry and creates insane amounts of value. A wall not so much.
#108089 to #108084 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Yes, it's far more reasonable as a proposed presidential expense than making everything Bern brand free. For one thing, it's patently proven to be able to pay for itself, as opposed to Bernie Sanders' proposed socialist black hole of government spending.
#108090 to #108089 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
How does it pay for itself?
#108091 to #108090 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
The wall is estimated to cost about ten billion dollars. Not only will a lot of that go to employing American construction companies, thereby stimulating the local economy, it's estimated that we spend well over that much on dealing with illegal immigrants every year. If we can so much as put a decent dent into that spending, the wall will pay for itself rather quickly.
#108093 to #108091 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
And if 'creating jobs' was the only priority why not spend billions digging holes and filling them up?
#108095 to #108093 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I don't agree with that in the literal sense, but mass infrastructure initiatives pulling from unemployed labour pools would be ideal.
#108097 to #108095 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
But those jobs would be gone immediately after the wall was finished.
#108099 to #108097 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Not completely, there'd still be a need for repairs and maintenance. Even so, that'd be the point where you start another public works initiative.
#108100 to #108099 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
So then the government should become a major employer?
#108103 to #108100 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Yes, I believe that the government hiring from unemployed labour pools for public works, infrastructure and military matters is infinitely more valuable than simply doling out welfare. I doubt many Republicans would agree with me, but what are you going to do?
#108104 to #108103 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
In effect, is this not wellfare?
#108092 to #108091 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Is that on newly arrived immigrants or the ones here?
#108109 to #108092 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
There'll always be desperate people, especially with the sorry state of affairs Mexico is in. We can't really do anything about it directly at this juncture, so all we can really do is make it as hard as possible to cheat our own laws. The harder you make it, the more desperate they have to be to try.
#108110 to #108109 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
So then unless we stop saving these people's lives the expenses will still come in.
#108134 to #108110 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Again, I remember it being estimated at 10 billion.
#108137 to #108134 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
That's build cost. What about upkeep, injuries associated, trade stoppage, increased injury to attempted migrants. Just to name a few.
#108143 to #108137 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households
This should help some. The website as a whole seems to be a valuable resource. But still, these things are difficult to quantify exactly. It isn't an precise science.
#108139 to #108137 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I actually have more time to debate, my apologies. The economic impact of illegal immigrants is massive, even beyond the direct spending I meantioned. For one thing, it directly impacts the value of entry level/low skill manual labour. It also affects welfare spending when people like Obongo decree that they be made legal citizens. Illegal immigrants also pose crime and safety concerns as well.

Just to name a few examples.
#108140 to #108139 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Got any quantities for these?
#108122 to #108110 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Even if it doesn't work 100% of the time, it'll be worth it a few years from now when it's payed for itself.
#108124 to #108122 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
But will it?
#108128 to #108124 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
If it puts a dent in the spending necessitated by illegal immigration, it will.
#108132 to #108128 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Depends on the size and the extent of costs it generates.
#108112 to #108110 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
The wall would create a situation where few would make the attempt, and those who do would be taking such drastic measures to evade the law that they can't reasonably expect our help.
#108114 to #108112 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
So you feel that the wall would discourage the majority then?
#108116 to #108114 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Yes, I do.
#108118 to #108116 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Despite the countless other obstacles this one will be the kicker?
#108094 to #108092 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Both. Finding them, repelling them, rooting out illegal immigrant labour rings, dealing with the legal and bureaucratic issues, etc etc.
#108096 to #108094 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
It sounds like most of the expense is people already here.
#108101 to #108096 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
A surprising amount of it is preventative measures, especially considering it's more a matter of making sure that the illegal immigrants survive. It's very dangerous at the border, they very often come unprepared for a desert survival situation.
#108102 to #108101 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
So then if the wall doesn't keep them from trying it probably won't save much money.
#108105 to #108102 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
It'll stop a good share of them, aside from the ones crazy enough to boat their way across the gulf. At that point you just let them sink, and stop them on the other side if they somehow make it, imo.
#108107 to #108105 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
But the motivation to leave is still there. Are you saying desperate people won't still make the attempt?
#107991 to #107984 - marinepenguin
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Sure there is. Yes not my first choice but I'd vote for him if he was the nominee.

Most people are voting for him because of his stance on immigration, and because he's so confident and outspoken. If you haven't noticed he's like the polar opposite of Obama in terms of personality and some policies though I think they're both narcissists . Trump is just a response to 8 years of Obama politics. Much like how Obama was the response to 8 years of Bush.
#108016 to #107991 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
When you say the polar opposite to Obama do you feel Obama isn't confident?
#108064 to #108016 - marinepenguin
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I think Obama is confident, but he takes the moral high ground on everything.

When I say they're complete opposites, I'm talking more about how they'll handle foreign policy. I think Trump will be far more decisive and heavy handed. Obama's been extremely weak with foreign policy. Same with immigration. I think they'll be similar on some social policies though.
#108077 to #108064 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
It seems like a lot of Trump's ideas are pretty moralist.
#108080 to #108077 - marinepenguin
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Like?

Most people claim he's the opposite. Especially cuz racism and/or xenophobia and/or Muslim hatred.
#108083 to #108080 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Pushing American values and Nationalist pride mostly.
#108087 to #108083 - marinepenguin
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Plus many people see American values and nationalism as racism, bigotry, xenophobia, etc. So that makes sense anyways.
#108085 to #108083 - marinepenguin
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Yeah, I'd agree with that. Though much of the left finds those things disgusting in my experience. Especially those who want us to implement European polcies.
#108088 to #108085 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
It's just a different set of morals.
#107989 to #107984 - anon
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Whats the point, every time you get an answer you'll just wait two days and then shitpost "omg i cant understand how trump is winning it literally makes no sense how can people have different opinions than me omg" ect ect ect
#108015 to #107989 - theism
Reply 0
(02/27/2016) [-]
This is literally the second time I've asked this question. You're not even trying.
#107988 to #107984 - anon
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Hes Jewish.
#107987 to #107984 - lotengo
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(02/27/2016) [-]
yes, loads of em
#108018 to #107987 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Like what?
#108019 to #108018 - lotengo
Reply 0
(02/27/2016) [-]
Well, i can summarise it into a main reason
He will make America GREAT again.
#108021 to #108019 - theism
Reply 0
(02/27/2016) [-]
How?
#108026 to #108021 - lotengo
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(02/27/2016) [-]
He's gonna be though on CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINNAAAAAA

are you actually being serious?
cuz im not
i feel the anon in this thread is right
#107972 - pebar
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I think I just found my favorite Bernie pic
#108054 to #107972 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-friedman/the-wall-street-journal-k_b_8143062.html

Sanders is one of the few Democratic candidates that isn't trying to endlessly over-regulate the economy, at most he wants to label GMOs because that demographic is so stupid and feckless that pandering to them to such an extend is harmless.
#108066 to #108054 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Literally every solution to a problem for him is government. That is a scary thought, a scary idea, a scary ideology and thus he is a very dangerous person.
#108072 to #108066 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
The problems he talks about are related to government already.
#108073 to #108072 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I would expect no different from such a big-brother government fellow like you. Well at least you're old-school.
#108074 to #108073 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
All I care about is healthcare, consumer protection and labor rights. If I were "big government" I'd want authority in a lot of other places.
#108076 to #108074 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Elaborate on them all, also are you not big brother on trade, welfare and government intervention of economics (Keynesian)?
#108119 to #108076 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
>Keynesian

Pretty cool guy for a capitalist, but still a capitalist. I am for safety nets, but I think they are so costly because of inefficiency and constant political tampering that renders them moot; just redistribute money directly with the IRS and it'll make the value of money and labor for the average person greater than the absolute cost of the programs.

That said, I want an economy where safety nets are unnecessary, and in capitalism, freedum™ doesn't put food on the table.
#108125 to #108119 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
That's the problem with strong gov intervention in the economy isn't it? Imperfection and corruption. It's like expecting communism to work, not gonna happen.
#108130 to #108125 - Shiny
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Safety nets aren't direct interference with the economy, as much as they are social policies designed to compensate for it. Private ownership of capital and supply and demand of products and services remain untouched.
#107975 to #107972 - anon
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Honestly, im starting to feel worried about the Bernfags
#107979 to #107975 - pebar
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Leftists voluntarily trash their own credit score in protest
and then their wages get garnished anyway

oh please let this happen
#107980 to #107979 - lotengo
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I logged out some how, that first comment was also from me.
Have some more
#107982 to #107980 - stormklaw
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(02/27/2016) [-]
seriously
is that real

theyre already bowing down to bernies jewish communist state by living on borderline poverty so a politician can have more money
#107983 to #107982 - lotengo
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Look at comment #107980, they are already taking loans so they dont have to bend over for their student loans
#107973 to #107972 - anon
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Classic Pebar.
#107964 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I have to wonder why Trump supporters are so reactive to any insult of their candidate. You'd think given their hate boner for political correctness they'd take things like that in stride.
#107974 to #107964 - redandgreen
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Many of them don't believe in free speech. He's the favoured candidate of white supremacists and neo-Nazis - they don't believe in debate and they don't believe in liberal democracy.
#107976 to #107974 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Well yeah but if you come out saying that they get mad and stop talking.
#108068 to #107976 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
How does that even make sense, you sound libtard-tier dood.

1) Just because neo-nazis like Trump doesn't make him a fascist, just because commies like Sanders doesn't make him one. Shit-tier logic.
2) Haven't seen a single Trump supporter back down from a yelling constant, and certainly not when you bring up such a stupid argument as "bu-bu-but nasis voted 4trump!11111"

#108078 to #108068 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Rather, it's not that hey stop talking and more they have a melt down.
#107977 to #107976 - redandgreen
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(02/27/2016) [-]
You're right.

Although I think Trump will win the nomination I think he has less chance of beating Hillary than most of the rest of the Republicans.

I really don't want to be in a position where I'm hoping Hillary will win but if it's between her and Trump I'd have to choose her. Trump is just too dangerous.

#107978 to #107977 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I honestly don't get why people want to vote for him. I mean I do, I just don't see how a person could be that idiotic.
#107967 to #107964 - thereasonableperso
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Well most insults directed at him are uneducated and inaccurate. And I guess a passionate candidate attracts passionate supporters.
#107968 to #107967 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Most insults aren't based on beliefs so typically they come off as fairly ignorant. There's a difference between passion and petulance.
#107965 to #107964 - marinepenguin
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(02/27/2016) [-]
In my personal experience, if you don't agree with someone politically, or especially don't support their presidential Candidate, you're immediately an unintelligent human being in their eyes. Bernie supporters seem especially rabid at any criticism, more so than trump supporters from what I've seen.
#107966 to #107965 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Maybe it's personal exposure but I hardly see anyone complaining about an insult to really any other candidate.
#107969 to #107966 - marinepenguin
Reply 0
(02/27/2016) [-]
I usually see Bernie and Hillary supporters destroying one another, and both writing off republicans as idiots who are ignorant of reality. Then Trump supporters tend to overshadow any other Republican candidates.

I follow most of the candidates on social media and Bernie supporters always pop out the most to me. Trump is an easy second though.
#107970 to #107969 - theism
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Yeah everyone is throwing around personal insults. It's mostly on FJ and twitter but I see Trump supporters calling ad hominem when someone talks about how, for example, he looks an orangutan.
#107954 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Seems like there are 4 types of republicans

-Establishment, basically bland middle of the road ranging from almost independent like Kasich to pretty conservative like Rubio
-Ultra Conservatives, usually very religious and conservative on every single issue (Cruz)
-Libertarian-Conservatives (Ron/Rand)
-Fringe (Trump/Carson)
#107955 to #107954 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
And only one type of democrat of course

-Horrible
#107960 to #107955 - anon
Reply 0
(02/27/2016) [-]
Lol
#108070 to #107960 - unforgivensoul
Reply 0
(02/27/2016) [-]
Still can't see your comments.
#107952 - anon
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(02/27/2016) [-]
#107985 to #107952 - anon
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Long Live Socialism.
#107939 - feelythefeel
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(02/26/2016) [-]
>tfw every major Islamic insurgent group in the past half a century has been the direct result of America pouring money into "local fighters"
Which of the dozen insurgent groups we're supporting right now will be the next ISIS? And how much do you want to bet that the media will conveniently "forget" about it when it happens?
#107942 to #107939 - whoozy
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(02/26/2016) [-]
More like the direct result of Islams incapability to adapt to the modern world.
#107956 to #107942 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I'm not denying that, but what harm can a bunch of ragheads do without money or weapons in the middle of bumfuck nowhere?
#107957 to #107956 - whoozy
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(02/27/2016) [-]
The answer is none. Western sociaty is superior in every way conceivable

The only reason that you feel they're victiorious when they're barely inflicting any damage at all is because the media blows up the whole terror ordeal.

Guerrilla warfare scares people. Truth is you
re 100 times more likely to die in traffic.
#107959 to #107957 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I'm not denying that either. What I'm saying is that the harm they have done is still relatively considerable, and it's our government that made it possible.
#107962 to #107959 - whoozy
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Our government might be incapable dimwits, but they don't want social unrest.

The problem is that radicals are often higly unstable individuals acting alone or in pairs. Theres literally no way to predict this. With guns floating around everywhere terror is just bound to happen.
#107963 to #107962 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
You have to remember what the middle east was like before al Qaeda. It was relatively prosperous, even countries like Afghanistan did well enough. Even the radical elements were limited and localized, because they didn't have the resources to meaningfully organize.

American money flowing into "local fighters" is the difference between minor, local gangs at the worst, and a small army the west expects to simply disband once the fighting is done at the best.
#107936 - pebar
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(02/26/2016) [-]
if it comes down, to Hillary vs Trump, I'm voting 3rd party
The only way I can convince myself to vote for Trump is if Sanders wins the democrat primary
#108071 to #107936 - unforgivensoul
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Answer me below (anon)
#108164 to #108071 - pebar
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(02/28/2016) [-]
I can't in good conscience vote for someone as totalitarian as him, especially with his economics
#108165 to #108164 - unforgivensoul
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(02/28/2016) [-]
A vote for 3rd party is a vote for Hillary. This kind of thinking gave us Obama for 2 years.
#107948 to #107936 - anon
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Why the change? Trump is considerably different economically from Hillary.

I know he talks a lot of non-sense about his healthcare plan, but because of the republican party he wouldn't dare actually make a healthcare plan as bad as Obamacare or something equivalently government-funded. So all you're going off is his talks about free trade.
#107945 to #107936 - youregaylol
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Policy wise I think Sanders and Clinton are very close, ones just more open about being a socialist. Why the change?
#107971 to #107945 - pebar
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I've always though his economics made him look more like a democrat shill
but now his views on things like the NSA are coming out and it's apparent he doesn't give a damn about personal freedom
#107937 to #107936 - canyou
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Is it Johnson again?
#107940 to #107937 - pebar
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(02/26/2016) [-]
most likely
#107950 to #107940 - akkere ONLINE
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Speaking of which, how come it took so long for Johnson to legitimately announce a bid?
Is this why he had problems with publicity last year (other than the obvious "no one bats an eye at third parties")?
He's only announced it this very week, in fact.
#107951 to #107950 - akkere ONLINE
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(02/27/2016) [-]
problems with publicity last election*
#107926 - canyou
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Christie endorses Trump. I'm not surprised at all.
#107930 to #107926 - youregaylol
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(02/26/2016) [-]
dang thats a big endorsement
#107931 to #107930 - canyou
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Yeah it sort of is. I'm pretty sure Trump will win regardless.
#107934 to #107931 - youregaylol
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(02/26/2016) [-]
I think Trump just found his primary VP candidate, which is good because I was worried that he was burning too many bridges with establishment types.

Thats not to say Christie is necessarily establishment but he won in a liberal state so he's malleable like Trump but also straight talking, plus he has experience in an executive position. He didn't attack Trump that hard either when he was in the race.

I think he'd crush bernie in the VP debates as well since he actually did something as governor, he'd be a great advisor to Trump on politics and would help to deflect attacks on the presidency when Trump wins.

Yes, this is very good. It's all coming together.
#107938 to #107934 - canyou
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Huh... Interesting. I was thinking that Huckabee would be a weak VP choice. Christie makes more sense.
#107920 - unforgivensoul
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Donald Trump Republican Debate Highlights Lowlights 2252016
Everyone's Dumb
We're gonna make America Great Again
We are gonna WIN WIN WIN
I'm winning in the polls
And the lines around the state
#107925 to #107920 - canyou
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(02/26/2016) [-]
We don't win anymore. America doesn't win anymore. When Trump becomes president, we're gonna win so much we're gonna get tired of winning. WINNING.
#107918 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(02/26/2016) [-]
There should be a philosophy board for this sort of thing, but it is also politically related:

Language and way of thinking is inseperably intertwined - language is to thinking is what water is to a river. And similarily to how one can deduce the origin and state of a river from the water that flow sthrough it, one can deduce the mentality of an individual, therein politicians, from how they speak. One such example can for example be, how, when declaring their own opinion on a matter:
>Liberals say "i feel (...)"
>(Religious) Conservatives say "I believe (...)"
>(Insert preferred ideology here) say "i think"
>Good leaders (or at least confident ones) say " i know" or other factual structures.
Such subtle differences in language has a large impact on whatever sentiment the listener is left with, hence why it is imporant to focus on rhetoric when adressing potential voters or political adverseries. I have noticed Trump does this exceptionally well, although adhering moreoften to the "confident leader" trope.
#107932 to #107918 - theism
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Interesting core premise, minimal elaboration.
#107919 to #107918 - factual
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(02/26/2016) [-]
it's a fact
#107921 to #107919 - drastronomy ONLINE
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(02/26/2016) [-]
nice meme
#107917 - thereasonableperso
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Come to think of it, Hitler motivated a nation to kill hundreds of millions of people through speeches. Does this mean Hitler was the ultimate bard?
#107946 to #107917 - marinepenguin
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(02/26/2016) [-]
80 million died in WW2, and not all of those were a result of just Germany. Still have a good point though.

Mao may have killed that many of his OWN people though, so he's got Hitler beat .
#107947 to #107946 - thereasonableperso
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Mao did kill more. But (I'm hazy on chinese history.) didn't Mao use political intrigue to get into power? Whilst Hitler rallied the support of the people to get into power. The point I'm making is that Hitler is the best bard in history. But I retract those words if Mao came to power through honest means. Honest means being: Speeches and rallying public support, rather than assassinating obstacles.
#107949 to #107947 - marinepenguin
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(02/27/2016) [-]
I cnt remember exactly, but it was the result of a civil war, he also said that "Power flows from the barrel of a gun" so I doubt he was very peaceful in gaining power.

But while Hitler did rise through some popularity, he also rose through strongarming opponents and a lot of political backdooring.
#107933 to #107917 - theism
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Hitler is considered to be one of the most charismatic men in history.
#107928 to #107917 - anon
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(02/26/2016) [-]
no.
#107914 - shyyguy
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#107941 to #107914 - feelythefeel
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Maybe we need to weaponize the people. Maybe the citizenry is the best national arsenal a nation can have. Maybe real and effectual change can only happen when you convince the people that it's okay to get pissed at a backwards establishment.

Have you ever thought about that, lardass?
#107944 to #107941 - shyyguy
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You say pissed at a backwards establishment, when the people he heard were saying the Indian girl was apart of ISIS and how badly he wanted to shoot somebody? That sounds almost as bad of a belief as being a blind nationalist.
#107958 to #107944 - feelythefeel
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(02/27/2016) [-]
Blind hatred isn't as good as tempered, effective hatred, but not everybody needs to be an Evola or a Mussolini for a nationalist society to work. As Trump puts it, we just need to be "high energy".
#107953 to #107944 - youregaylol
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You ever notice how leftists never want to claim the word leftist? Subconsciously they know its shameful.
#107961 to #107953 - shyyguy
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(02/27/2016) [-]
That makes no sense in the context of my comment.
#107929 to #107914 - schnizel
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Said the leftist that uses fearmongering and propaganda to dehumanize everything that's not pathetic.
#107943 to #107929 - shyyguy
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Wait, are you talking about me being a leftist? If so, you couldn't be more wrong.
#107915 to #107914 - youregaylol
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(02/26/2016) [-]
tl;dw fat boy thinks trump supporters are mean
#107916 to #107915 - thumbfortrump
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Sam got BTFO lol
#107910 - unforgivensoul
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Hey now, you're a nice guy, take your cuck shed, go play
Hey now, your a tough guy, say goodbye to hose
Cuz all the beaners must go
Build the fucking wall mexico
#107912 to #107910 - asotil
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#107906 - thumbfortrump
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(02/26/2016) [-]
www.ibtimes.co.uk/migrant-crisis-more-130000-refugees-germany-have-disappeared-since-2015-1546178

"More than 130,000 asylum seekers have gone missing after registering with German authorities, government figures revealed. 13% of the refugees who registered in the country in 2015 didn't show at the accommodation assigned for them."



#107908 to #107906 - anon
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Secret kebab-removal program?
#107909 to #107908 - thumbfortrump
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(02/26/2016) [-]
I know that would be beautiful, but this is Germany after all anonbro.
#107913 to #107909 - anon
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Just wishful thinking. Of course it's not going to happen with Merkebab in charge.
#107905 - asotil
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(02/26/2016) [-]
www.mediaite.com/online/the-stump-for-trump-girls-just-said-that-marco-rubio-had-a-gay-lifestyle-in-the-past/

What the fuck kind of fiction did you just cast at me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the tea party, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret meeting with the establishment, and I have over 300 confirmed endorsements. I am trained in speech repetition and I’m the top first term senator in the entire US congress. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in this campaign, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over Twitter? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Jew donors and your taxes are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your campaign. You’re fucking dead, Trump. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can stump you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in debating, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the GOP establishment and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dispelled, kiddo
#107904 - asotil
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(02/26/2016) [-]
First the president
Then porn
And now News Media

We've done it. The Meme Magic has become too strong for it's own good. We are heading toward either the End Times or the New Age of Prosperity, and we're all responsible for this
#107911 to #107904 - youregaylol
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(02/26/2016) [-]
"I have always said that power resides not where it appears to be, nor where it doesn't appear to be, but in that great phenomenon sweeping our generation that has so pointedly shaped the ideological landscape of our country. I am speaking chiefly of memes."

www.americantable.org/2013/01/recipe-abraham-lincoln-and-his-gingerbread-men-1847/
#107898 - anon
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Donald Trump Says Edward Snowden Should Be Assassinated >implying Trump isn't an NSA shill

Is he going to make America great again by shoving a large metal probe up your anus when it comes to privacy?
#107899 to #107898 - thumbfortrump
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(02/26/2016) [-]
>anon wants traitors to live
>anon calls Trump shill

Please return to your rice farming Ching-Ching
#107900 to #107899 - akkere ONLINE
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(02/26/2016) [-]
Does this mean you'd like to continue where we left off in the last thread, then?
>>#107410, >>#107400,
#107903 to #107900 - thumbfortrump
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(02/26/2016) [-]
nah, I'm quite confident we won't reach an agreement.