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#34973 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
Oxan (or anyone else),   
compare & contrast ideal communism with The Borg.
Oxan (or anyone else),
compare & contrast ideal communism with The Borg.
#35046 to #34973 - anonymous (06/17/2013) [-]
The borg are like pre-programmed robot zombies. It would be a better comparison to them and a computer virus than a political structure.
User avatar #34985 to #34973 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
Isn't the Federation or whatever meant to be a utopian socialist organisation? I don't watch Star Trek.
User avatar #34987 to #34985 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
I think it was mentioned that they don't use money and that they work to better themselves, ya.
I think it was in Star Trek: First Contact
User avatar #34988 to #34987 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
I'm just going off of what I read on /pol/. They complained that they dislike Star Trek after learning of it.
User avatar #34997 to #34988 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
I found the scene.

Lily: How big is this ship?
Picard: There are 24 decks, almost 700 meters long.
Lily: It took me 6 months to scrounge up enough titanium just to build a 4 meter cockpit. How much did this thing cost?
Picard: The economics of the future are somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century.
Lily: No money; you mean you don't get paid?
Picard: The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity.
User avatar #35054 to #34997 - oxan (06/17/2013) [-]
Ah, indeed. Utopian socialist. Don't they have a device that materialises anything they want before their eyes?
User avatar #35003 to #34997 - levchenko (06/17/2013) [-]
Wow very cool...
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User avatar #34975 to #34974 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
In Star Trek, the Borg are a race with a collective consciousness; they all think as one and their goal is to achieve perfection. They are cyborgs and they conquer races and add their technology and population to their own. By doing this, the Borg has become one of the strongest enemies of the federation.
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#35002 to #34976 - anonymous (06/17/2013) [-]
Nope. They're not good comrades.

Their collective consciousness is by force. There is no such thing as freedom in the Borg collective. You're not allowed to think or act in your own way. In fact, the Borg are incapable of such. They lose all sense of individuality and become a mass of expendable "samefags" under a single conscience that behaves more like a soulless supercomputer than a person.
User avatar #34977 to #34976 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
Isn't that the same with communism? You commies keep saying the ideal communist society would be global.
#34980 to #34977 - valeriya (06/16/2013) [-]
Think of it like this, you can not get past socialism safely without having the entire world be socialist to achieve communism whilst capitalists are around would simply result in the destruction of your communist entity. So, there's two ways you can do this you can fund other community parties (Who will likely be sectarian to your own) or you can go by jingo and spread the revolution via a force of arms which means you'd have parties more aligned to your own, I would say that Imperialism against capitalist countries is not Imperialism merely helping them down the right path.
User avatar #34983 to #34980 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
Meh, you could still argue that's imperialism because that's the same excuse the US uses and we get blamed for it all the time.
User avatar #34986 to #34983 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
The excuse is used by the US, but it isn't the reality. Spreading communism through force (say, for example, the Red Army was abled to reach Germany and aid in the German revolution) is different to imperialism. Imperialism is based off of exploitation.
User avatar #34989 to #34986 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
*COUGH* East Germany *COUGH*
User avatar #34991 to #34989 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
What of it?
User avatar #34994 to #34991 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
The USSR took Germany's capitol and resources and left them to rot. They justified it as compensation for the war.
User avatar #34996 to #34994 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
One of the first orders of the Soviet Berlin Commandment was to organise food for the Berlinners. The dismantling of East German industry as war reparations was full retard, I agree.

No different than what the Allies did to Germany in WW1, really.
User avatar #35000 to #34996 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
What the Allies did to Germany after WW1 is basically what caused WW2 in the first place, then the USSR did it again.
User avatar #35001 to #35000 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
I wouldn't say it was the cause, but it created the conditions in which Hitler gained support from Germany.

Anyway, aren't we getting a little off topic here? The USSR fucked up, I think we both agree.
User avatar #34990 to #34989 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
Berlin*
#34984 to #34983 - valeriya (06/16/2013) [-]
It's a common arguement called exceptionalism, at the end of the day Imperialism isn't good or bad it just depends on what you're doing like American Imperialism seems to result in people starving to death, cough Iraq North Korea sough not defending the regimes but the collateral damage of Imperialism is something you need to control.
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User avatar #35064 to #34979 - arisaka (06/17/2013) [-]
considering the soviet union was an ultimately capitalist creature it is not wrong to call what they did imperial, considering it was done, in essence, to secure resources.
User avatar #34961 - eight (06/16/2013) [-]
Can a company become so powerful that they become the countries government or at least mostly control it?

Think of Jennings and Rall from the old show, Jericho.
#34967 to #34961 - valeriya (06/16/2013) [-]
It's quite simple actually, first you get the state to give you legal immunity and personhood, (In other words be granted corporate status) then simply throw a small bit of your profit their way in return for perhaps appointing someone from said corporation into government or perhaps have them stand in the party you have thrown money at, repeat over time and you'll have control over aspects of government, most stop where it concerns them, for example if I was an oil corporation I'd only need to make sure the industry remained less regulated but still regulated enough to give the facade that we're not involved.
User avatar #34963 to #34962 - eight (06/16/2013) [-]
Well, I mean on the scale and size of the United States, for instance.
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User avatar #34959 to #34958 - teoberry (06/16/2013) [-]
Did that actually happen to you? If so, then lol.
User avatar #34951 - beatmasterz (06/16/2013) [-]
So what do you guys think of bridges in Washington collapsing because the govt doesn't care about maintenance?
User avatar #35319 to #34951 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
Reply limit.

>Yes I do. The difference between socialism and communism is that Mao Zedong was definitely not a socialist.

What is the criteria to be a socialist, then, and how is it distinct from being a communist?
User avatar #35320 to #35319 - beatmasterz (06/18/2013) [-]
Socialism is merged in a democracy. Communism is a dictatorial regime. Socialism is not as extreme as communism. Socialism is combined with other political parties, making sure that the social part doesn't get out of hand and doesn't compromise the free economy. Communism says fuck economy, takes all the money and private possession and divides this over everyone (of course this doesn't really happen as evenly since there's a lot of corruption). In a capitalist society people are encouraged to work hard because they will get paid more and have more success in life. Communism discourages working hard because it doesn't pay off. A communist state is led by one person or a small group, and with no opposition the communist party can decide whatever they want, not taking into account the well-being of the population.
User avatar #35323 to #35320 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
> Communism says fuck economy,
How so?
> takes all the money
It is a moneyless society...
>and private possession
Wrong. Private property is different from personal property.
> divides this over everyone
I think you're implying 'equally'. That's incorrect. What makes you think everyone has equal needs?
>In a capitalist society
Are you a socialist or are you a capitalist?
>Communism discourages working hard because it doesn't pay off.
How so?
>A communist state
Is an oxymoron. Communism is stateless.
> with no opposition the communist party can decide whatever they want
Which is why the workers must remain armed. A key mistake Stalin made. What happened after his death is testament to that.
>not taking into account the well-being of the population.
You may as well ask 'what are soviets?'
User avatar #35326 to #35323 - beatmasterz (06/18/2013) [-]
You can be a capitalist and a socialist. Also Soviet-Russia, North-Korea, Cuba are all communist states. They're states that refute democracy and capitalism and choose communism instead. And no, you can't merge communism and democracy.
User avatar #35328 to #35326 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
>You can be a capitalist and a socialist.
No you can't. They're kind of conflicting, actually. Are you perhaps a social democrat?

> Also Soviet-Russia, North-Korea, Cuba are all communist states.
Incorrect. The USSR was a socialist state up until the mid to late 1960s, North Korea has no reference to communism in its constitution at all, and Cuba might be a socialist state, but I've never really looked at it in depth.

Communism is stateless. You cannot have a communist state. If you disagree, then find me one quote from any official from any of these countries that has described whatever country as a 'communist state'.

>They're states that refute democracy and capitalism and choose communism instead.
You keep using those words but I don't think you know what they mean...

> And no, you can't merge communism and democracy.
'“... in capitalist society we have a democracy that is curtailed, wretched, false, a democracy only for the rich, for the minority. The dictatorship of the proletariat, the period of transition to communism, will for the first time create democracy for the people, for the majority, along with the necessary suppression of the exploiters, of the minority. Communism alone is capable of providing really complete democracy, and the more complete it is, the sooner it will become unnecessary and wither away of its own accord. ...” '
User avatar #35322 to #35320 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
>Socialism is merged in a democracy.
As is communism.
>Communism is a dictatorial regime.
Communism is stateless. Socialism is a dictatorship (of the proletariat).
>Socialism is not as extreme as communism.
Correct. Communism is an extension of socialism, but socialism can be a final goal in its own right.
>Socialism is combined with other political parties
Communism is stateless.
>doesn't compromise the free economy.
So, you're a market socialist?
User avatar #35324 to #35322 - beatmasterz (06/18/2013) [-]
Where do you live? Becaue I don't think you have any idea what socialism is.
User avatar #35325 to #35324 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
Australia.

I'm a communist. I don't think you have any idea what socialism is. I don't think you know what communism is, either.
User avatar #35327 to #35325 - beatmasterz (06/18/2013) [-]
My counry is a socialist country. BTW shall we continue this over private chat? It's getting annoying with the replylimits and the thread is getting very long.
User avatar #35329 to #35327 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
As you wish.
User avatar #34992 to #34951 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
Why weren't they maintaining the bridge? Seems like there's more to it than simple neglect.
User avatar #35026 to #34992 - beatmasterz (06/17/2013) [-]
Because all the money goes directly to the war for oil.
User avatar #35027 to #35026 - oxan (06/17/2013) [-]
Lel. In that case, might as well switch to socialism so we're not carrying out imperialist wars for resources and we can get back to more important things, like making sure our bridges stand upright.
User avatar #35028 to #35027 - beatmasterz (06/17/2013) [-]
That sounded awfully sarcastic, but sure, I think you're right.
User avatar #35029 to #35028 - oxan (06/17/2013) [-]
Sarcastic in the sense that it's not that easy, but genuine in the sense that I'm a communist ^.^
User avatar #35030 to #35029 - beatmasterz (06/17/2013) [-]
There's a middle ground between america and communism, you know.
User avatar #35032 to #35030 - oxan (06/17/2013) [-]
>might as well switch to socialism
>That sounded awfully sarcastic, but sure, I think you're right.

Communism is an extension of socialism.
User avatar #35033 to #35032 - beatmasterz (06/17/2013) [-]
Yes but socialism is incorporated into a democracy and it's not as extreme.
User avatar #35034 to #35033 - oxan (06/17/2013) [-]
Communism is the height of democracy, friend. Socialism is but a stage between capitalism and communism - it's a mode of production.
User avatar #35036 to #35034 - beatmasterz (06/17/2013) [-]
Communism doesn't work, socialism does.
User avatar #35038 to #35036 - oxan (06/17/2013) [-]
Interesting, considering communism has yet to be achieved.
User avatar #35040 to #35038 - beatmasterz (06/17/2013) [-]
If it takes so long to achieve, it might just be a shit system.
User avatar #35043 to #35040 - oxan (06/17/2013) [-]
It's been about... two centuries since the Industrial Revolution began.

So, think of it this way. You have your workers' revolution, and you begin laying the foundations of the socialist state. Meanwhile, you're required to wait for other workers' revolutions to usher in a more mature socialism. Then, once the world has undergone workers' revolutions, the state begins to wither away and communism is ushered in. No one said it happens overnight, and it takes a while because it must develop. You don't wake up one day and say, 'we communist now'. It's something that must develop.
User avatar #35115 to #35043 - beatmasterz (06/17/2013) [-]
Oh yeah, I remember Mao Zedong developing such state. I hope I can spare you the details about the count of starvations and murders in China over that period?
User avatar #35223 to #35115 - oxan (06/17/2013) [-]
And I imagine you're unaware of the massive population growth, the huge increase in the production of foodstuffs, the increase in industrial output, the increase in life expectancy, and the fact that the deaths were exaggerated greatly during Deng's regime?
User avatar #35288 to #35223 - beatmasterz (06/18/2013) [-]
I actually was aware. Do you think Mao's terrible dictatorship is fake? Because if that's your argument to support communism, you're not coming very far.
User avatar #35290 to #35288 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
I wasn't the one that brought up Mao. And when I noted you were likely wrong (unless your count is drastically lower than I expect), you completely changed the subject at hand. If that's your argument to discredit communism, you're not coming very far.
User avatar #35316 to #35290 - beatmasterz (06/18/2013) [-]
Using my own words against me, aren't you clever. I brought up Mao Zedong to prove to you that communism doesn't work and you just painly saw it's not true.
User avatar #35317 to #35316 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
I was talking about Mao's socialist policies.

>#35036 to #35034 - beatmasterz ONLINE (06/17/2013) [-]
>Communism doesn't work, socialism does.

Do you even know the difference between communism and socialism?
User avatar #35318 to #35317 - beatmasterz (06/18/2013) [-]
Yes I do. The difference between socialism and communism is that Mao Zedong was definitely not a socialist.
User avatar #34956 to #34951 - undeadwill (06/16/2013) [-]
Time to let the private system care for those roads and bridges because government clearly lacks the ability to.
User avatar #34993 to #34956 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
Yeah, like valeriya said. Your government. Private companies, as we've discussed, are also guilty of neglect. See: Australian communications infrastructure.
User avatar #34995 to #34993 - undeadwill (06/16/2013) [-]
Already saw it.
I think there is more to it than that because if the companies you buy from aren't good enough to provide the service then try to find a new one and if that doesn't work even after government tried to commission not one but two times.

I believe there is a bigger issue at hand if both government and private industry fail in your eyes.
#34957 to #34956 - valeriya (06/16/2013) [-]
*Your government, it doesn't help when you've got dat inflated MI complex draining your economy not to mention general economic recession couple that with a side of merging of corporate and state power maybe add a dash of crony capitalism and boom your country is officially fucked and in need of a purge.
User avatar #34999 to #34957 - undeadwill (06/16/2013) [-]
The MI complex is to blame for many things but roads isn't one of them.

The recession has affected many things but government is proving to be the slowest to recover due to its inability to stop spending.

And there is a bonding of business and government powers its called a "Commission"
The crony capitalism is the fault of our current political system that is moving toward progressive politically correct rampant statism.

Our government is the problem but that isn't to say what I said wasn't true.
User avatar #34947 - pebar ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
According to Gallup, congress's approval has reached its lowest point on record at 10%.
Fuck our two party system.....
#34948 to #34947 - valeriya (06/16/2013) [-]
And yet people still sit around and do nothing.
User avatar #34955 to #34948 - undeadwill (06/16/2013) [-]
Sheep don't rebel
User avatar #34946 - rageisfunny (06/16/2013) [-]
Oh don't worry guys they are doing so much good with it. *sarcasm*

news.yahoo.com/officials-nsa-programs-broke-plots-20-nations-233703820.html
User avatar #34952 to #34946 - fuckya ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
I never saw the reasoning behind the big fuss about the NSA program. Why were people so shocked about their data collecting? That's what the NSA is all about, I would've been disappointed if the NSA didn't do something like this.
I'm sure that the data gathered did in fact stop some terrorist plots and this minor invasion of privacy (that no one even knew about, *ahem* No Such Agency). If the NSA kept the information gathered only on Terrorist actions, I would be cool with it. Once it strays to calling in on people doing other illegal activities. Not cool.
Besides, the government can very well watch and listen to you all day everyday with some satellites if they really wanted to.
User avatar #34972 to #34952 - rageisfunny (06/16/2013) [-]
The problem is giving up freedoms, for more "security".
User avatar #34968 to #34952 - akkere ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
I think the largest fear is that the government uses it as a venue of blackmail, like how J. Edgar Hoover attempted to blackmail FDR himself with nude photography of his wife and her other romantic affairs. Same with Nixon and Martin Luther King Jr.'s own marital affairs.

Less enforcement of justice; more power grab on certain public figures.
User avatar #34941 - undeadwill (06/16/2013) [-]
I had a dream last night.
There was this man, his face was like a mask or it could be accurate to say he had no face at all. It was a smooth mask of skin that was pale while. If you cut into it I'm sure he would bleed. The closer you got the more you notice the imperfections, the scars, stitches that would never heal, the burns, the blood boils, and finally an almost pale dead skin with a slight flush of blood to make one wonder was he still alive.
He was a collector of us.
Us people.
The close you got the more you realized what was around you. He spoke by saying nothing, Saw without eyes without seeing.
The more you stared the more the world turned into something else, something terrible, yet something was the truth. When you reached out and touched him you were transported to a world of nightmares.
The skies were dying and I was to blame for it all. This monster stood next to me and stood, the very act and nothing more. He did not comment, sneer, gloat, or explain. Only stood there covered by a suit or coat of sorts. It may have been a suit once but not it had turned to the texture or his skin, dying and decaying.
The world around me was somewhere between dying and dead. The people were dead creatures like him wearing masks of flesh that came unseemed on command, forming a jaw, they were like zombies only these things had been the aborted dreams of man kind. The abortions of all we were and had done. They flocked to the sound and light like moths to an atom bomb. They were the dead of not the body but ignorance and hatred. Content. The building were dead next to the light of the fires of humanity in the sky. They were us and we were them.
I knew that this man was a monster and murder but of what he had no victims but to touch him would be to make monsters of us all. But I never knew why. Why was was he a jack the ripper in my mind.
I touched him and then we ran.
They chased us.
Funny how all my life I knew who they were but now they were all ugly.
User avatar #34942 to #34941 - undeadwill (06/16/2013) [-]
We ran and they hunted us like dogs in the street, we ran through the dead buildings of my world the girl came with us, this pretty blonde she was a collected one like me. And we ran because we knew though he was a monster they were hell.
The shell of industry we ran like monkeys running for a corrupted hawk. We had nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I raced through the shell of industry this factory I ran a horror as this wooden urban barn was over a river,
"Jump"
I jumped down and was caught a old shipping container held by a chain and island in the sky as the chain snapped I felt my body cling and claw the steel hoping for gasp but I fell into the icy water below, it was filled with ribbons of grass and algae even a small fish. I did not fear death in this moment as I layed there sick and unable to more the beast of humanity grabbed me from a portal of a blue light I pulled me and the girl walked into this world.

The hunt was over, a forgotten memory, and before me was a garden of Eden.
We were both ugly. Both so ugly like the monster who gave up who he was to save us.

We had our faces. Hers was that of a beautiful monster. I could only hope it be said the same for mine.
A beautiful world and we would make it ugly.
We were reborn or revived from death.
Either way the life we were given was death and death we had been given was life. I was living and very dead by my body rotted. I took up the suit of a gentleman, the cane of privilege and finally the mask of horrors that a shape of a doctor of death. I was Undead and I was the beast of humanity showing the value of Will power.
I never aw the girl again. She was beautiful but we were the builders of this world. A this price of revival and reincarnation.
I came to be a monster like the serial killer was.
#34943 to #34942 - valeriya (06/16/2013) [-]
Extend it 500 pages and boom you've got a very head tilting novel.
User avatar #34944 to #34943 - undeadwill (06/16/2013) [-]
Indeed. I might do that.
User avatar #34940 to #34939 - CapnInterwebz (06/16/2013) [-]
>implying it hasn't already started

(looking at you, middle eastern "conflicts")
User avatar #34949 to #34936 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
That's glorious.
User avatar #34934 - pebar ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
Thoughts on the new Iranian leader? Apparently he's supposed to be a bit more "moderate" than the other guy.
User avatar #34969 to #34934 - akkere ONLINE (06/16/2013) [-]
"Moderate" for a leader of a nation as problematic as Iran could just mean he won't kill you for smoking a cigarette out in public.
Maybe. If it's a good day for him.

We'll just have to wait and see how he turns out, though his weight in power, if it does differ from Ahmadinejad's view, is probably meager in all honesty.
#34945 to #34934 - repostsrepost (06/16/2013) [-]
Media is stupid enough to believe they have as new leader. The Ayatollahs are still in charge.
User avatar #34950 to #34945 - oxan (06/16/2013) [-]
This.
User avatar #34938 to #34934 - CapnInterwebz (06/16/2013) [-]
"Moderate" is the only word I've heard the media use thus far
#34927 to #34925 - valeriya (06/15/2013) [-]
A lot of people from history seem to ruin certain styles of hair and facial hair..
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#34918 - tredbear (06/15/2013) [-]
they only got one of these typhoon class submarines left, and I can't believe it, these are such a strategic weapon, they scrapped 3 of them, and decommissioned 2 of them, leaving only 1 in active service.
User avatar #35014 to #34918 - levchenko (06/17/2013) [-]
try 6 known
User avatar #34920 to #34918 - akkere ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
I wonder how expensive they are to maintain.

They apparently decommissioned them due to the Reduction of Arms Treaty, and to make room for the Borei, a nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine that also replaced the Delta III and Delta IV submarines.

Another ship is supposed to be laid down in Navy Day of this year, so that should be interesting.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine
#34921 to #34920 - valeriya (06/15/2013) [-]
I remember reading somewhere that the Russian government wanted to expand it's navy back into a blue water navy, (Although tactically we don't actually need one).
User avatar #34924 to #34921 - akkere ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
It would seem that read wouldn't be far from the truth, a lot of contracts for different submarine developments seem to be popping up, with deadlines going as far back as 2020.

Even if it isn't needed tactics-wise, an extra push in fear factor has always been nice to have. I believe the only other Navies that are blue are the Royal Navy, US Navy, and I think even the French Navy, with China being potentially blue but not quite certain.
#34926 to #34924 - valeriya (06/15/2013) [-]
That's just how to the Russian defense department works, they throw out lots of contracts there's something like 3/4 half developed ak patterns which aren't going anywhere I remember there being 2 tank patterns at one point which they just gave up on, the way this works i they give you a deposit of x to design y, if your design doesn't get chosen you still keep x, provided y isn't shit. Russia used to have a blue water navy, but we still half the ability to project ourselves quite easily , the whole massive country deal helps out quite a bit on minimizing what's actually needed, China is still technically green water since they don't have a large naval fleet yet (I think they have 3 or 4 total), they just need a few more aircraft carriers and more heavier ships there force is primarily made up of destroyers submarines and frigates so... (This is off memory don't hold me to it)
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#34929 to #34888 - byposted (06/15/2013) [-]
Yes, Iran is not a dictatorship despite what the kikes say.

And no, they will not elect a "progressive." They only gave into the reformist, Rowhani, because of economic problems due to Western sanctions.
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User avatar #34932 to #34930 - byposted (06/15/2013) [-]
The election saw a very high turn out (73% of eligible voters), so the democracy in Iran is more functional than those here. Don't expect the western "democracies" to like what happened, though:

www.cnn.com/2013/06/15/world/meast/iran-elections

While the White House respected the vote, it charged that the election occurred "against the backdrop of a lack of transparency, censorship of the media, Internet, and text messages, and an intimidating security environment that limited freedom of expression and assembly."
Iran is a sovereign country and the US has no right to talk morals. If they're still mad that Iran is no longer an oil-puppet, then there's nothing to do but cry. Iran is the freest is has ever been, after US rule.

And take a look at what the Shittish "Conservative" Prime Minister had to say:

Earlier, British Prime Minister David Cameron told CNN's Richard Quest that the international community "will have to deal with whatever the situation is."

"We have to remember this is always only an election between a restricted number of candidates, it's not democracy as we know it," he said.

Lel, they had 6 candidates. The US typically has 2 and Shittain the same, although the Conservative reform parties like UKIP and BNP have some steam. Note how many complain that the candidates had to be "approved," is that not so in Western Democracies by the lobbies and media? Did Ron Paul ever stand a chance in his runs with opposition from both AIPAC and the media?

Rouhani seems like a good candidate. He will try to get sanctions eased but still stand firm to Israel. He will be a very important leader.
User avatar #34891 to #34888 - oxan (06/15/2013) [-]
Maybe it's a new thing?

It was news to me, too.
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#34901 to #34893 - valeriya (06/15/2013) [-]
I'm surprised there are none running on a nationalist platform.
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#34903 to #34902 - valeriya (06/15/2013) [-]
There are "reformists" but we all know the political system isn't going to change, not without another revolution, which is the last thing Iran needs.
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#34914 to #34913 - valeriya (06/15/2013) [-]
It's merely a matter of deciding if or not the status quo (This includes their international reception and free banking system) is worth over throwing their current government for, even then the new government would most likely be Iranian Nationalists, so it wouldn't be pro-western.
#34870 - thechurchchurch (06/15/2013) [-]
Just finished watching a documentary entitled "The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan".

It's far more disturbing than it sounds,and that saying something. Apparently in Afghanistan and other muslim countries it is culturally acceptable to take young impoverished boys as sex slaves,dress them in womens clothes,and sell them off to various former government and taliban officials,and then parade them around the streets like cattle while they do these disgustingly awkward dance moves for hoards of dirty fat greasy bearded old men.

I really cant imagine the positive things islam has done for its people if this horrendous behavior is accepted.
User avatar #34871 to #34870 - Shiny (06/15/2013) [-]
It's really gross, but no more so than the Catholic Church's pedoness.
User avatar #34872 to #34871 - thechurchchurch (06/15/2013) [-]
Um,ya,no. That is nowhere near comparable.

In catholic countries it wouldnt be acceptable to parade little boys around to leaders and have them dress in womens clothes to encourage sex trafficking.

Lets not lie to ourselves with an argument of "Everybody does it" out of political correctness.
User avatar #34873 to #34872 - Shiny (06/15/2013) [-]
Oh, don't pull the PC card on me.

Might I remind you that nations like Saudi Arabia are some of the most socially conservative on the planet?
User avatar #34874 to #34873 - thechurchchurch (06/15/2013) [-]
The only reason someone would compare a few instances of abuse in the catholic church(which were despicable but were also kept in secret from the public and the majority of the clergy and once brought to light was roundly denounced) to the public displays of sex trafficking,pedophilia,child exploitation,and systematic rape that goes on in Afghanistan and other muslim countries is because of a desire to be politically correct.

Im not sure why you brought up social conservatism as it seems profoundly off topic but what is "socially conservative" in the east is extremely different then whats socially conservative in the west,you cant honestly compare objecting to gay marriage and abortion to female genital mutilation and public execution of homosexuals.
User avatar #34875 to #34874 - Shiny (06/15/2013) [-]
There is no reason to assume that Islam is the root cause behind this particularly ugly aspect of Afghan culture when this trend simply does not persist throughout the Middle East. Similarly, Catholicism does not make priests molest kids, but the latter faith has a related governing body that dictates doctrine, policy and tradition in the church, which actively decided to cover up atrocities committed by members. In contrast, Afghan law condemns the child sex slave trade (god, that's gross just thinking about it) as against sharia law. How the hell could religion be the reason for it?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Islamic fundamentalism at all, but it's utterly naive to blame it for all of Middle Eastern society's ills. It oversimplifies complex issues deeply rooted in the foundation of the cultures of individual states.
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User avatar #34917 to #34868 - akkere ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
Sometimes I wonder if Ron Paul is even remotely aware of these posts.

Or if his campaign aids constantly try to shield him from it.

"Paul got a new email today, looks like it might be different.

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Who has time to make these?"
User avatar #34919 to #34917 - Shiny (06/15/2013) [-]
The biggest threat to Paul's candidacy was undoubtedly the swaths of cranks and bigots that showed a lot of outspoken support for him.
User avatar #34935 to #34919 - byposted (06/15/2013) [-]
I was on board with Ron Paul since 2007. His biggest supporter was Alex Jones. He was who largely built him up to what was the 2012 campaign run. His biggest enemy was the establishment.

Denouncing "bigots" as the cause of his fall only shows your ignorance.

He fell because the Republicans redrew his district and the media made sure to either slander his name or keep it silent. Jewish AIPAC, the most powerful lobby in the US, didn't take too well to his non-interventionism. The biggest threat to Paul's candidacy was the Jewish controlled media, in essence, not "bigots." It is one thing to have popular support among /r/atheism and another to actually have a shot at running in the Republican ticket.
User avatar #34937 to #34935 - Shiny (06/15/2013) [-]
In-party drama can only influence so much; the bottom line of a candidate's success is their social standing among potential voters. Alex Jones was just the tip of the iceberg, the entirety of Paul's core following has always been laden with fringe groups, which scares off the masses.
User avatar #34922 to #34919 - akkere ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
Certainly. Fanaticism of the pro-degree always breeds opposing opinion, and vice versa.

With how ridiculous some of the original Ron Paul fanatics made their posts, it's hard to tell which "IT'S HAPPENING" type posts were true attempts at supporting him, and which were satire.

I don't think the still-existing fanatic supporters ever learned that lesson, one of them even tried to show me an excessively flashy advertisement for him even when I tried to explain him that it was the exact reason why Ron Paul is so mocked through the "IT'S HAPPENING" posts.
User avatar #34923 to #34922 - Shiny (06/15/2013) [-]
Even then, he's drawn an alarming amount of support from scientific denialists, white supremacists, economic fundamentalists, you name it... despite the fact that the majority of his supporters aren't any of those and Paul himself doesn't endorse ultraconservative policies at all. I pity the old guy and his campaign teams.
#34897 to #34868 - anonymous (06/15/2013) [-]
That would be very deserving of impeachment. I'd rather not see the whole country turn into a clusterfuck of weeaboos.
User avatar #34892 to #34868 - teoberry (06/15/2013) [-]
That's why I would never vote for that old shit
#34856 - anonymous (06/15/2013) [-]
"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."

This Public Propaganda Announcement was brought to you by the National Statist Organization.
User avatar #34867 to #34856 - CapnInterwebz (06/15/2013) [-]
You have something to fear if you enjoy your privacy
#34898 to #34867 - anonymous (06/15/2013) [-]
To statists who support such pervasive government, the desire for privacy automatically means you're hiding something illegal.
#34845 - anonymous (06/14/2013) [-]
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#34854 to #34845 - anonymous (06/14/2013) [-]
Can you please leave Mr. Ben alone for once? How would you feel in his place?
#34857 to #34854 - anonymous (06/15/2013) [-]
FAT BEN MADE POOP
#34858 to #34857 - anonymous (06/15/2013) [-]
You're being very immature and disrespectful, you should be ashamed of yourself, young man!
#34859 to #34858 - anonymous (06/15/2013) [-]
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#34889 to #34859 - anonymous (06/15/2013) [-]
That's it, I will waste no more time with you. For shame, anon. For shame.
#34899 to #34889 - anonymous (06/15/2013) [-]
FAT BEN MADE POO INFINITY AND BEYOND
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