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#35792 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #35863 to #35792 - medewu (06/20/2013) [-]
Yeah doesn't bother me, and also Experiments on humans, just like Death Row inmates who are going to die anyways. might as well test on them. but that's just how I see things.
User avatar #35861 to #35792 - fuckya ONLINE (06/20/2013) [-]
Legal but regulated.
I'd be cool with human experimentation if the people willingly joined.
User avatar #35815 to #35792 - teoberry ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
Legal, but regulated. If it's important medicine, go ahead. However, the animals need to be taken care of. No cages or that shit. Treat them humanely.
User avatar #35814 to #35792 - jadewest (06/19/2013) [-]
if its regulated yes it should be legal
User avatar #35812 to #35792 - rageisfunny (06/19/2013) [-]
Yes. They're animals. We harvest them for food and use them for other tasks, why not this one?
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#35813 to #35812 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #35860 to #35813 - rageisfunny (06/20/2013) [-]
Well disagree. They're animals. If they are a cheaper, safer, more effective way to test things go for it.
User avatar #35803 to #35792 - Shiny (06/19/2013) [-]
Sure, but there's a limit. There's a world of difference between killing animals to test potentially life saving medicine and to test some tacky makeup.
User avatar #35794 to #35792 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
I'm conflicted
No, because I have a soft spot for animals. Yes, because logically it makes sense to test to see if a product is harmful to humans by testing it on animals.

awh... im sad now
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#35795 to #35794 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #35796 to #35795 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
Its more emotional confliction then logical confliction. Testing on animals makes total sense, I support it becuase i dont want to drink the new mtn dew and suddenly grow a third nipple. But the idea of seeing an animal in pain makes me angry and sad.
Ill just stick my fingers in my ears and go lalalalalallalalalallalalalallalallalalalallalalalala
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User avatar #35720 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
Should the US convert to metric?
User avatar #35867 to #35720 - undeadwill (06/20/2013) [-]
We should move toward that system.
User avatar #35851 to #35720 - CapnInterwebz (06/20/2013) [-]
I don't see why not
User avatar #35824 to #35720 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Yes.
User avatar #35817 to #35720 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
We kind of already are in the metric system, most professional careers regarding science and engineering will use the metric system in the same way that most science classes will teach it (at least, the high school and college I've attended used it). The Imperial system just coexists a lot more heavily than the metric, but I'd say we're gradually converting as it becomes more integrated within school curriculum.
User avatar #35747 to #35720 - mykoira (06/19/2013) [-]
i think it should, but not now, when the economy is so unstable.
User avatar #35731 to #35720 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
I enjoy my system of abstract number conversions. It make me feel more american and less other nationly.
#35729 to #35720 - anonymous (06/19/2013) [-]
IT SHOULD CONVERT TO FAT BEN'S POOP
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User avatar #35683 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
Let us pretend that you started your own nation with about a population around 100 million people. What kind of government would you set up that would best suit your needs as a leader and the needs of the people you lead? Explain.
User avatar #35827 to #35683 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>Establish workers' state
>Begin building socialism

And go from there. I'd need to know more about my environment and stuff. But anyway, free healthcare, free housing, large welfare state, etc, etc, etc.
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User avatar #35768 to #35745 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
Why is that?
User avatar #35690 to #35683 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
Industrialized Socialism. Everyone works for the greater good of the people, no welfare, no unemployment, No government aid (barring the physically crippled, they would still work desk jobs of sorts). No one gets a free ride. If you are able bodied, you grab a shovel and pave a road. If you are skilled (educated) , you may do what you learned in school, start a business, etc.. Free enterprise, with strong restrictions over companies in order to prevent large scale monopolies. Benefits for military (retirement pension). Also, secular gov't, we don't need to play world police.
User avatar #35701 to #35690 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
Would you still allow civil liberties and rights to the people? (Sort of like America) or would you put lots of restrictions on the people on what they can and can't do?
User avatar #35703 to #35701 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
Laissez faire. More or less, it'd be, keep your nose clean and the gov will leave you be. None of this prism tapping bull shit, or marching cops down the street pointing guns at civilians. So to answer your question, yes.
User avatar #35708 to #35703 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
So just curious now.
What would be your prison system be like? Would you have it like America does with large penitinaries around the nation punsihing the people that did wrong? or would you be like norway, where its more about rehibilitation? Or just fucking kill all that have done wrong in the extreme?
User avatar #35714 to #35708 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
The punishments would be different, depending on the crime, things like stealing, grand theft auto (pettier crimes) would be treated as minor punishments, jail time mostly. The thing that will set apart my prisons are the punishment levels. Nothing near what america's system is like, think more gulag-esqe. Sexual crimes will be met with harsher punishments, increased jail time, humiliation, and everyone will know (and I mean everyone) that they are sex offenders, it will make you look like a shameful POS for what you did. Crimes such as murder (not necessarily including manslaughter) will be met with a death penalty, unless a case can be made that it was purely in self defense.
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#35726 to #35714 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #35868 to #35726 - undeadwill (06/20/2013) [-]
How about no.
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#35728 to #35726 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #35869 to #35728 - undeadwill (06/20/2013) [-]
Why don't we just kill them?
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#35733 to #35728 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #35750 to #35733 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
refer to the 3 strike system.
User avatar #35715 to #35714 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
It is could to see that there are people out there that still believe in the death penalty. Would you have a strike out system? Like you commited 3 crimes around the same level so you get the death penalty! muahaha
User avatar #35716 to #35715 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
Well, yes, but only for sexual crimes, petty crimes shouldn't result in your demise.
#35688 to #35683 - valeriya (06/19/2013) [-]
I make the nation one big arena for 7 days, pretty much battle royale, those that live get to live like kings from the revenue we've brought in seeing the show.
User avatar #35700 to #35688 - akamrhood (06/19/2013) [-]
Like a nation wide Hunger Games. Fucking love it. But the only weapon are aloud to have is a shovel. So it would be called the Shovel Games!
#35702 to #35700 - valeriya (06/19/2013) [-]
No more battle royale have around 1 million winners, you need to watch that film if you enjoyed hunger games.
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There now watch people stab shoot and maim the shit out of each other for a day or two.
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User avatar #35828 to #35678 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
You know in the rap battle when he's called a 'man of steel'? Yeah, I only found out Stalin meant that recently.
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#35836 to #35828 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
#35679 to #35678 - valeriya (06/19/2013) [-]
Really, only now have you realized this?
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#35680 to #35679 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
#35682 to #35680 - valeriya (06/19/2013) [-]
Did you even listen to that rap you sent me.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT2z0nrsQ8o
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#35685 to #35684 - valeriya (06/19/2013) [-]
I think you may be over thinking this one.
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#35687 to #35686 - valeriya (06/19/2013) [-]
It's like looking at this and going, "I get it, there's a pre required amount of knowledge to comprehend this!" When in reality there really isn't it's just a goat with guns, that's all there is and all you need to know in order to find it humorous.
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User avatar #35862 to #35723 - undeadwill (06/20/2013) [-]
Why don't you like a citizen of Mother Russia? Why do you do this to a fellow comrade?
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User avatar #35969 to #35915 - undeadwill (06/20/2013) [-]
Well..... He was right on the line of collectivism.
Nationalist socialist.
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#36049 to #35969 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #36050 to #36049 - undeadwill (06/20/2013) [-]
The following are socialist programs.
Healthcare, welfare, public education, and etc.

Hitler wasn't against socialism just the communists who tried to start a revolution in Germany what he hated were the genetically weak (and any attempt to help them) Jews and the Versade treaty
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User avatar #36187 to #36060 - undeadwill (06/20/2013) [-]
Socialism can coexist with authoritarianism in fact it works quiet well with it. The people become dependent on the stability of the existence of the state and will violently appose any attempt to over throw it. They become a member of the cult of the state. While neo-libertarians dislike any form of government power and are willing to destroy the state when it threatens business. Thus people are more likely to fight back with every little thing government tries to do.
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#36188 to #36187 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #36191 to #36188 - undeadwill (06/21/2013) [-]
Self reliance ad individualism is the basis of freedom.
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User avatar #36433 to #36429 - undeadwill (06/21/2013) [-]
"Wage Slavery" Define how this is slavery in a modern society with unions.
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User avatar #36438 to #36435 - undeadwill (06/21/2013) [-]
Not really. Some people can grow what they need, work for what they want, and etc. Hell you even have the option to beg for money (which actually makes good money in the states)
But when you say work is a right you mean it is a duty and compulsion you have no choice to opt out.

Work is always necessary in any society.
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User avatar #35829 to #35671 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Haven't looked into either him or Chavez. Apparently, though, he's a weaker leader.
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#35566 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
ITT: Canada. Love it? Hate it? Want to rip its nuts off and feed them to its dog? You tell me.
#35848 to #35566 - repostsrepost (06/20/2013) [-]
Eh, It's a nice hat most times.
User avatar #35721 to #35566 - teoberry ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
Considering I live there (Alberta, the best part), I love it. Only law I can think of changing is slightly looser concealed carry laws.
User avatar #35725 to #35721 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
I personally like BC better, although that may be because I live in the Gulf Islands. Not much beats the Gulf Islands.

Where in Alberta do you live? I use to live in the Red Deer area, so much crime for such a rural area.
User avatar #35727 to #35725 - teoberry ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
Calgary. Red Deer has a big problem with biker gangs. Fort MacMurry is going to explode with crime soon tho, I can feel it. All the oil workers there are bored as fuck, so the drug trade is getting big there.
User avatar #35732 to #35727 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
Things are really calm here with next to no crime, but I don't hear much about other parts of the province like Vancouver.
User avatar #35739 to #35732 - teoberry ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
My dad works in oil/gas, so I hear this shit all the time. Also, the islands in general around BC are beautiful. That and Northern Ontario are my two fav. vacation spots.
User avatar #35741 to #35739 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
All right, cool. Glad to hear from you about it, and glad to know that my enjoyment of this place is slightly more objective.
User avatar #35567 to #35566 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
I like some of their policies ie universal health care, but I feel like some other things are too loose, like becoming an illegal alien is incredibly easy. Also, legalized Marijuana.
User avatar #35718 to #35567 - teoberry ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
It's not legal, but in some places (Vancouver) cops just don't give a fuck about it. Everyone smokes it, they don't have enough people to enforce it.
User avatar #35568 to #35567 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
What about legalised marijuana? The way you worded it is confusing.
User avatar #35569 to #35568 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
I am strongly against it. I think it breeds generations of unproductive oxygen thieves.
#35578 to #35569 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
For slightly different reasons.
User avatar #35663 to #35578 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
Explain.
User avatar #35818 to #35663 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
I too strongly oppose marijuana legalisation.
User avatar #36053 to #35818 - Major Mayhem (06/20/2013) [-]
For what reasons though?
User avatar #36161 to #36053 - oxan (06/20/2013) [-]
It's uncivilised, it's numbing, it breeds those merely content.
User avatar #36163 to #36161 - Major Mayhem (06/20/2013) [-]
Couldn't agree more.
User avatar #35570 to #35569 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
Much worse could be said for alcohol and tobacco, and yet it's not just legal, it's pushed on you. I'm not for marijuana legalisation, just its decriminalization.
User avatar #35571 to #35570 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
I also forgot to mention that I agree with canada's drinking policy. I myself am in the US Military and I'm 19. The fact that I could sign on for my country, potentially die, and not even be able to enjoy a beer or some rum is ridiculous. Also, I don't believe that weed should be decriminalized, referring back to my previous comment.
User avatar #35572 to #35571 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
I'd rather be an oxygen thief than an actual thief. Usually when you use marijuana (Incredible stress on usually) the only person your hurting is yourself. The same just can't be said about many other drugs, including alcohol.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't touch the stuff with a five foot long stick. I just don't see the point in going through the trouble of fighting it when there isn't that much harm to be had in the first place.
User avatar #35573 to #35572 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
I agree with some of that, the only problem between alcohol and weed is, you can drink 1 or 2 beers and still retain some lucidity (whether or not you can handle it) if you smoke any amount of weed, you get high and it makes you physically care less about things, such as working or being an overall productive citizen. Also, alcohol is regulated to some degree in most countries such as no drinking in public, public drunkeness, no drunk driving or DUI, so alcohol while it does harm yourself as you stated (and possibly others depending on the persons actions) is in my opinion less harmful to a society's well being than marijuana.
#35575 to #35573 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
Also, I'm done for the night. I'll reply tomorrow to any more comments. Just don't think I've abandoned you yet.
User avatar #35577 to #35575 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
Right on, I'm there with you.

noot noot
User avatar #35574 to #35573 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
I'm not advocating it be a nonchalant thing. You need to be in a right setup and mindset for it. It is possible to balance marijuana and a productive lifestyle though. It has its addicts, yet what doesn't?

As for that "marijuana makes people lazy", some of the laziest people I've ever known were alcoholics. It's at least as addictive, and it drains the life out of those who can't control themselves. No matter what drugs you let be legal and decide are illegal, someone's going to ruin their lives with them. It's a fact of life.
User avatar #35576 to #35574 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
A very valid point, and I think our generalizations are based off of different areas. Where I'm from, there's far too many people that start to smoke weed, become lazy twats, quit their jobs, and begin to collect welfare solely to support their continuous flow of weed. Which begins the vicious cycle of weed making one lazy. As for alcohol, I know several people (including family members) whose lives have been ruined by alcohol, I'm not saying one is better than the other, it's more of a "pick your poison" type of deal.
User avatar #35674 to #35576 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
I just don't find it worth the money and efforts of fight either poisons.
#35565 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
Decided to do one of these, courtesy of levchenko.
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#35564 - Major Mayhem (06/19/2013) [-]
>Our Nations Leaders
User avatar #35524 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
What type of weapon system do you guys have the bigger hard on for?

Mine are small arms followed by field artillery and recon vehicles.
User avatar #35641 to #35524 - jadewest (06/19/2013) [-]
bolt action rifles such as the mosin naget
User avatar #35658 to #35641 - jadewest (06/19/2013) [-]
I really wanna fire a H&K weapon, like a MP5 or somethin
User avatar #35643 to #35641 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
I like level action.
User avatar #35645 to #35643 - jadewest (06/19/2013) [-]
different strokes for different blokes
#35647 to #35645 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
"Hey look someone has a different opinion"
"Hey look someone has a different opinion"
User avatar #35650 to #35649 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
look below
#35648 to #35647 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Fuck that guy
Fuck that guy
User avatar #35653 to #35651 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
I love this gif.
User avatar #35655 to #35653 - jadewest (06/19/2013) [-]
whats it from?
User avatar #35659 to #35655 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Shaving Ryan's private
User avatar #35660 to #35659 - jadewest (06/19/2013) [-]
kinky
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#35614 to #35524 - jewishcommienazi **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #35652 to #35614 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
It seems everyone likes small arms
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User avatar #35656 to #35654 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
I ike colt
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User avatar #35661 to #35657 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
.500 S&W
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User avatar #35666 to #35624 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
I named my profile over admiration for that rifle. Pre last ditch type 99's were the best rifles in the war.

Problems with the rifle came from the ammunition, it wasn't very resistant to the humidity or terrain!
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User avatar #35805 to #35672 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
My friend who was almost my cousin owns a bunch of guns, Including a world war 2 era lee-enfield and a trench gun, as well as a cool hunting bow. I've shot them all except the trench gun.

I don't have any guns due to my mom saying "not until you move out" but I also don't have any because I lack a compulsive need to hoard guns thinking rifles will actually do shit all against the armoured division of an army
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User avatar #35693 to #35635 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
Legally speaking, the AA-12 is considered a destructive device (same class as a grenade launcher) and not a shotgun.
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User avatar #35697 to #35695 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
because gun laws are made by people who don't even know what a gun is....
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User avatar #35553 to #35524 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
Guns.

Not firearms.

Guns.

Any howitzer or field type gun. Holy fuck. I would put them everywhere.

Other than that, I really like bolt-action rifles, preferably those with internal box magazines. I also really like the battle rifles used during the early days of the cold war.
User avatar #35579 to #35553 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>bolt action rifles

Yeeeeeeesss.
User avatar #35555 to #35553 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
>Not firearms.

>Any howitzer or field type gun.
>I also really like the battle rifles used during the early days of the cold war.

Wut.
User avatar #35559 to #35555 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
Historically the word gun refers to large-bore weapons, not small arms.

I then moved on to a lesser preferred set of weapons, which WERE small arms

not 2 hard 2 follow m8
User avatar #35588 to #35559 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Wut u want m8
User avatar #35664 to #35588 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
u wan 2 fukn go m8 ill fukn nock ur lites out m8
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User avatar #35852 to #35838 - arisaka (06/20/2013) [-]
you can't be serious
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User avatar #35857 to #35856 - arisaka (06/20/2013) [-]
I spelled serious correctly

also, I'm sure you couldn't tell, but it was a joke you twat
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User avatar #35859 to #35858 - arisaka (06/20/2013) [-]
still a joke
User avatar #35525 to #35524 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
Elegant small arms. In semi-automatic/fully automatic weapons, the machinery and perfectly moving parts is fascinating. I do not like revolvers because they are too simple, same with pretty much anything that explodes because they're just too boring.
User avatar #35527 to #35525 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
I love revolvers not just for their simplicity but for their power, accuracy, and reliability.
I like the Colt single action and the Blackhawk series.

I like all small arms, and even some of the heavier weapons (like heavy machine guns) anything that makes a infantry a deadly foe.
User avatar #35529 to #35527 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
I know revolvers are more reliable, but when you have a rifle that can use a chemical explosion to force a projectile down a rotating barrel to stabilize it for its flight, while not letting the recoil go to waste and instead using it to chamber the next round, all with minimal input work from the user while still maintaining that the user retains the necessary skill, it's beautiful. It's like art.
User avatar #35556 to #35529 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
The recoil on piston type riffles is kind of annoying, depending on the type of piston.
User avatar #35531 to #35529 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Well compared to a rifle its lighter and I like that.
User avatar #35534 to #35531 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
more specificly, I like SBRs
but our annoying federal government banned them (more or less) in 1930ish due to gang activity and the supreme court ruled it constitutional because the 2nd amendment only protects military style weapons, which is sooo ironic today.
User avatar #35536 to #35534 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Where do you live?
Yeah libtards are crazy.

I find the mechanics of small arms to indeed be an art form of everything in the palm of your hand were even the lightest flaw is a death. The beauty of it all.
User avatar #35537 to #35536 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
north dakota
User avatar #35538 to #35537 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Firebomb them. Firebomb them good.
User avatar #35540 to #35539 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Gun laws are getting crazy illogical.
User avatar #35542 to #35540 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
North Dakota's actually pretty good about it since we're a rural state and have a lot of hunters, not to mention the highest percentage of church goers (I think) of any other state so it's pretty republican. It was one of the few states that tried to go against federal gun laws by making it a civil offense of local officers to assist federal agents in gun-control related crimes. Also, our democratic senator was one of the few democrats who voted against the gun control bill in the spring.

interesting fact: if North Dakota were to secede, we'd be the 3rd largest nuclear power since most of the US's arsenal is stockpiled here.
User avatar #35558 to #35542 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
We should totally secede. Wait for the US economy to crash and then boom secede.
User avatar #35506 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/us/politics/in-partisan-vote-house-acts-to-limit-abortions.html
Abortion ban at 22 weeks when the fetus can apparently feel pain just passed the house.
User avatar #35510 to #35506 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
How did they determine the fetus could feel pain...?
User avatar #35518 to #35510 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
They might've determined that the nervous system starts to develop or is developed at that point, which would lead to feeling pain and the like.

Not quite sure if they'd be able to measure the degree of pain at which a fetus could feel, but they could determine that they might feel something at least.
User avatar #35581 to #35518 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Eh, seems dodgy to me. Unless they're actually testing the fetus, there's no real conclusive way to determine if it can feel pain, as far as I'm aware.
User avatar #35676 to #35581 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
I really have no idea what kind of scientists the Republican politicians have been using to back their statements, or how much integrity they have in their work if some of them say things like "Women will somehow not get pregnant if a rape occurs", but I suppose it isn't that implausible to think a fetus could feel pain depending on the developmental nature of the nervous system.

However, they don't seem to cite anything of that nature as a reasoning with the proposal of the act, one of them just saying there's "purposeful movements".

In any case, a 22 week window of time isn't so bad I guess, as long as they don't plan on making that window smaller.
#35511 to #35510 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
IDK. Probably something like tracing the nerves back to the brain.
User avatar #35514 to #35511 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Thumbs for lulz.

Hmm, I'd have to read more about it before I believe it.
User avatar #35508 to #35506 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
hmm, NVM... I guess it started in the house but since that was a party line vote it would have no chance of passing the democrat-controlled senate. Even if it did manage to pass the pres would just veto it.
User avatar #35474 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
So what about that genetically modified food?
User avatar #35521 to #35474 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
In terms of crops? It has the potential to become something absolutely beneficial to the environment and even nutrition wise, but at its current state, it's also a danger.
It requires quite a bit of regulation;
Labeling is obviously a must, and it might even have to be labeled as "Possibly Dangerous Product"; There was a string of incidents regarding a Genetic modification company called Aventis Starlink, and one of those incidents regarded allergic reactions to the product, due in part that the genetic modification used a Bt Protein.

Another apparent issue; contamination. Aventis had a major issue where, I imagine through pollenation, contaminated other markets' corn and corn products. There was even a dilemma regarding Taco Bell's taco shells.

This also raises an additional problem of the attempt at patenting this sort of thing, to the point that any other farmer found growing it without authorization can get sued (which is what Mon Santo is pushing) - contamination would be a doorway to someone getting sued, even if they never wanted the DNA which got forced into their crop to begin with.

GM's a double edged sword - it can be beneficial; I remember reading a scientist who specialized in genetically modifying corn and was actively working to stopping hunger in some poor nations. On top of the added possibility of limited to non-existent chemical presence which causes severe environmental damage as well as economic plus with products like corn needing littler cost, it's something that should definitely be pursued. Hell, it could even help farmers reach a state where they don't have to struggle to make ends meet.

But on the corporate end, it definitely requires a large deal of supervision.
User avatar #35522 to #35521 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Labeling it as a dangerous product even if their is no proof can be just as damaging. Let the people who care about what they eat do the research rather than displaying something that is nonfactual.

Its why they made the food sterile in many cases.

The issue with patents is that they have lasted too long (50 years plus the life of the owner) Thanks didney wurl. But also farmers should also keep test samples and companies should make a genetic trade mark.
User avatar #35526 to #35522 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
Synthesized proteins always have a polar risk, especially when you start producing enzymes that can mimic the nature of a pesticide or a chemical. Because GM is still very young in its advancements, the need for warning should be present, because there's plenty of people that have no idea of the scope of GM outside of its potential. Though it doesn't have to be labeled straight up "DANGER", it will still need a sign that heavily emphasizes its status as a GM food and, if the proteins were never fully tested to showing minimal allergic reactions, requires a label that presents the possibility of risks from these synthesized modifications.

Companies should have some form of genetic trade mark to go by the credit of their earnings, but with the way the patent system is designed, it simply doesn't fit the perquisites for a patent of the nature of genetic modification, beyond just the 50 + life of owner shtick. As GM starts to develop, we'd need to open up a complete department in the Patent offices followed by a crew consisting of both law majors and biological and genetic science and engineering majors, to fully work out how a genetic modification could be patented, if we'd even go the direction of having them be allowed to be patented at all.
User avatar #35528 to #35526 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
If you label "Danger" You will crush the industry and the project will be forgotten.

And allergic reactions change from person to person. Now if you want to worry about allergic reactions label that but a flat out "Danger" will just crush the industry.

No you need to put it on the company to show the genetic info and proof that there was on a large scale operation that is using their product without consent and if so that harvest must be labeled GMO.
User avatar #35530 to #35528 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
Labeling it "DANGER" is obviously going to be ridiculous, but having a system of labeling might be a requirement that shows the degree of testing on the GM vs. the level of negativity (or positivity) found towards the probable allergic reaction.

Overall, GM is going to require a lot of systems to be established.
User avatar #35532 to #35530 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Or.
We could just label it GMO and let the smarter consumer decide if he wants to buy it or not.
And I hope not.
User avatar #35533 to #35532 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
That's too simplified, and that would risk the industry of being destroyed even more, because if the products do start turning up with allergic reactions (or if people fake allergic reactions), then you end up with a mixture of paranoia and outrage at the lack of a more refined system being implemented that risks not only harming the industry, but also rendering it permanently scarred when everyone starts to automatically turn their heads sideways at the sight of the acronym "GM" of any sort.

Refined system ensures a sense of security, sense of security ensures abolishment of any fears towards the subject of GM, GM slowly integrates itself into becoming more and more accepted into the general public, then when GM starts to achieve a more wider stance, it doesn't have any obstacles strangling it; only filtration systems that prevent harmful GMs from striking paranoia in GM in general.
User avatar #35535 to #35533 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
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Did i not just say it would be labeled "Those allergic to _____ should avoid this as it may contain this"

Then be fucking sensible about it sweet Christ! Let the people decide what they want to eat!
User avatar #35541 to #35535 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
And I'm telling you it doesn't work like that.

You can't just say "those allergic to _____" because you're not writing down "peanuts, walnuts, oats type genes" you're writing completely new and sometimes hard-to-find genetic protein labels.

Starlink's protein was named Cry9C, for example. Looking that protein up you'll find a scrap of information that will be difficult to understand if you don't have immediate know-how on phrasing used in biological and genetic science. That's just the way these things work.

That's why you HAVE to implement a system that people can immediately read - like a color code or a number rating system - that averages out the amount of testing done on the modified proteins and enzymes vs. the problem rate found in the testing.

If you leave it to just "HEY, IF YOU'RE ALLERGIC TO CX26-Z30, YOU GOT A PROBLEM!", you're going to find a lot of people simply not buying the products - whether they're good or not - because they have no idea how to approach something like that.
User avatar #35543 to #35541 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
...Maybe those who have allergic reactions will ask their doctors for a test for it.

Same thing with peanuts and every other allergy scare before we will create a test and label for it.

Most people don't have issue with allegies so they will ignore it.

But a label will fuel the organic food nuts who say "See it got a label if it was safe they wouldn't need a label!" But a few allergic reactions allow us to open the public to the drawbacks and allow them self to test themselves,
User avatar #35544 to #35543 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
Doctors would have to wait for a report to be generated by the offices regarding that protein's documentation. It's more probable that people will just buy it to try it and put themselves at risk or simply not buy into the industry at all.

Most people have also never consumed a vegetable which contained a protein that became it's own pesticide.

A label in general is going to fuel the organic food nuts no matter what, a refined label system will abolish whatever accusations they could have because it's fleshed out to a point beyond just "HEY, CONTAINS PROTEIN X, SOME ARE ALLERGIC, EY".

And under no circumstances should the public ever become guinea pigs. When allergic reactions appear, they're going to be drastic enough to harm the industry because there was never any proper information being circulated to the public regarding the genetic modifications, and that alone will be enough to murder the industry.
User avatar #35545 to #35544 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Again the same thing can be said about peanuts and other things.

The allergic reactions are limited to a few substances and the one you mentioned which does not effect all GMO products.
User avatar #35547 to #35545 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
Except the rules of allergies in natural foods don't apply to GM.

When corn gets GM'd to be a pesticide, it's generally modified in such a way that it produces a bacteria; this is the basis for the pesticide. Bt corn was created to produce the bacterial Bt toxin, which was effective against the European Corn borer.

A dilemma arises in which, the pest that is being fought against is capable of evolving against its newfound opponent. The European corn borer has even shown capability of developing a resistance against the Bt, and the fact that a quarter of farmers using Bt aren't complying with the rules that were put in place to minimize resistance of Bt in place, that means that they'll need a new GM to produce either a strong bacteria or a new bacteria entirely.

This means that the food is going to have to change. And when it changes, it's going to need the public to be notified all across the board, and they'll have to either find out if the new protein + the bacteria is safe for them by being guinea pigs, or by having it tested and labeled appropriately.

The general public doesn't understand how drastic the changes can be and how what they weren't allergic too before could be a different story because a more viral variation of bacteria was needed.

I don't understand why you're protesting a labeling function that could not only allow GM to run more efficiently but also ensure the safety and security of the public while minimizing all chances of a fiasco.
User avatar #35550 to #35547 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Let me just ask you something when you put warning on tobacco does it or does it no discourage buying it? And allow for organic food people to say "Do you want to take the risk of eating this? Even the government agrees its dangerous!"

Without tests it will not matter what you label it.
User avatar #35560 to #35550 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
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I'm not asking for it to just be a single solitary warning label.

I'm asking for a system of labels that clarify the level of safety for the GM product.
The organic food people would not be able to say that the government says something is dangerous if the label claims it's safe or has a high degree of safety.

It RUNS ON TESTS, that's what the whole thing averages out against.
User avatar #35586 to #35560 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Then say that. But don't ramble on how bad GMO's are and that we need to label them as dangerous products that can cause allergic reactions.
User avatar #35673 to #35586 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
I did say that.
I said it multiple times.
You didn't read.

"That's why you HAVE to implement a system that people can immediately read - like a color code or a number rating system - that averages out the amount of testing done on the modified proteins and enzymes vs. the problem rate found in the testing. "

"Refined system ensures a sense of security, sense of security ensures abolishment of any fears towards the subject of GM, GM slowly integrates itself into becoming more and more accepted into the general public, then when GM starts to achieve a more wider stance, it doesn't have any obstacles strangling it; only filtration systems that prevent harmful GMs from striking paranoia in GM in general."

"Labeling it "DANGER" is obviously going to be ridiculous, but having a system of labeling might be a requirement that shows the degree of testing on the GM vs. the level of negativity (or positivity) found towards the probable allergic reaction. "
User avatar #35675 to #35673 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Decent points.
User avatar #35493 to #35474 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
If plants can be modified to "naturally" produce a pesticide, for example, that increase yield and reduce input costs and chemical runoff into rivers thus lowering the market price and the environmental impact, and it has been shown to be non-toxic to humans,

I'm all for it.
User avatar #35495 to #35493 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
indeed.
User avatar #35497 to #35495 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
but it should still be labeled so that people can still make the choice of what to buy on their own
User avatar #35502 to #35497 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
I agree.

But then again they might label it say "Dangerous product eat at your own risk" Shit that I hate.
User avatar #35486 to #35474 - naxo (06/19/2013) [-]
What about it?
User avatar #35489 to #35486 - naxo (06/19/2013) [-]
Shall we talk about risk of harm from GM food, whether GM food should be labeled, the role of government regulators, the effect of GM crops on the environment, the impact of GM crops for farmers, the role of GM crops in feeding the growing world population, or GM crops as part of the industrial agriculture system.
User avatar #35492 to #35489 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Any one of them you choose. All of those factor into its legality.
User avatar #35515 to #35492 - naxo (06/19/2013) [-]
Risk of harm from GM food:
I've only done basic research on the topic of Round-up Ready Soybeans for a school assignment 2 years ago. From what I saw we have multinational agricultural biotechnology corporations like Monsanto who make the genetically modified products releasing statements saying that the products are safe for human consumption and on the other hand we have intellectuals like Dr. Judy Carman, Dr. Lennart Hardell, Dr. Mikael Eriksson and Peter A. Bowler claiming that there are dangers including cancer and various birth defects.

Personally, I agree with partially agree with pebar. If there are environmental or economic benefits in the short and long term and if, and only if, there is unanimous or widely-agreed scientific research stating that it is safe for human consumption in the short and long term then I am for the use of genetic modification in food products.

Whether GM food should be labeled, the role of government regulators:
Yes, most definitely. I want to know if the food I eat has been genetically modified, and I would like to know specifically what has been modified.

The effect of GM crops on the environment:
Sort of related to my first paragraph. Under the mentioned parameters I would support the use of GM crops, especially for environmental benefit.

The impact of GM crops for farmers:
I haven't done much research on it. But from what I saw there has been a bit of a shitstorm with copious suing occurring from both sides..

The role of GM crops in feeding the growing world population:
I believe that, under the parameters stated in the first paragraph, GM food could play a vital role in feeding the growing world population.
User avatar #35517 to #35515 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Everything can cause cancer its all about the dose. I would like to see the evidence for birth defects.

You could pick up and read a consumer report or do research of the products you buy every once and a while.

The issue with GM crops on farmers is directly related to the fact of how long patents exist now.


Not agreeing just adding in info.
User avatar #35582 to #35517 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>do research of the products you buy every once and a while.

I should have seen that coming.
User avatar #35607 to #35582 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Whats wrong with buying smart?
User avatar #35610 to #35607 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
I never said there's nothing wrong with it. Many people don't have the time, resources, or know-how to research the products they buy, however, which is why state regulation remains essential.
User avatar #35519 to #35517 - naxo (06/19/2013) [-]
Thanks.

What's your stance?
User avatar #35520 to #35519 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Allow it and let the free markets deal with it.

I mean we allow tobacco and alcohol which have proven links to disease (liver damage and lung cancer etc.) and liberals are arguing for pot are trying to ban this stuff.
User avatar #35583 to #35520 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>implying we shouldn't be gradually phasing out tobacco
>implying we shouldn't be gradually phasing out alcohol, beginning with decreasing alcohol content and maintaining or increasing prices
User avatar #35584 to #35583 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Why should we?
Bans do nothing but harm and there is no way to eliminate a product without them. and it should not be the business of the people or government what individuals choose to do with their life.
User avatar #35585 to #35584 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Did I advocate banning anything?
User avatar #35587 to #35585 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Because bans are the only way to get limit of human nature and free will. And raising prices to unreal amounts is the same thing as a ban.
User avatar #35590 to #35587 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>implying human nature and 'free' will really exist

And: 'and maintaining or increasing prices.'

Hell, I didn't even specify what the increase would be, if any. But there was another keyword: gradually
User avatar #35593 to #35590 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Take a grain of rice, every day double it. Gradually you get to an impossible amount that leads to boot legging.

Human nature. The nature of humanity. If you are going to sit there and claim that human nature and free will does not exist you sir are beyond reason or logic but rather a beast of emotion and fantasy.
User avatar #35598 to #35593 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Good thing we're not doubling the price everyday. Plus, the point of phasing it out gradually is to reduce the demand for it, so boot legging does not occur.

Free will is making decisions unconstrained by other factors. If you don't think the superstructure has immense influence on the decisions people supposedly make through their own free will, then you're beyond reason and logic. Human nature is something that changes. It's not eternal. It's not universal.
User avatar #35600 to #35598 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
There will always be a demand for it. Name one society that doesn't have a demand for it.

Human nature can be changed but in the end we remain the same in many things. And all people are influenced by things but in the end we have choice.
User avatar #35602 to #35600 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
None that come to mind today. Probably because the demand for it is creating. You know, they can create demand for products people otherwise wouldn't care for, right?

We've changed significantly over the centuries, undeadwill. Today, equality is core to many constitutions. Try going back a few centuries and telling a serf that he's as equal as his lord. That'll end well.
User avatar #35604 to #35602 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Or because human nature dictates what you are proposing is impossible.

Those are societies, not human nature (Seriously nigger. Seriously?) Human nature is that man kind will work to further himself in all things, he will work with others to help accomplish these goals but so long as there is something to gain etc.
User avatar #35611 to #35604 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Yeah, whatever you say.

What the fuck do you think influences how societies are structured? Do you honestly believe that fuedal lords didn't see serfs as their natural lessers?
User avatar #35620 to #35611 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
Unless you can prove without banning you can remove those substances I refuse to believe otherwise with out proof.

No less than the party members saw their peasant workers.
User avatar #35622 to #35620 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
We could look at the decrease in the number of smokers, as it has becomes less desirable. It's not a radical concept.

Haha, really? Because the Bolsheviks gained power with hostility to the far more numerous peasantry, didn't they? Do you even read what you post?
#35442 - byposted (06/18/2013) [-]
Based David Duke wrote a new book on the topic of Jewish commies, to be available soon.

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This book exposes the little known fact that Zionism and Communism have similar ethnic and ideological roots. Karl Marx was descended from a long line of Talmudic scholars, and he learned much of his communist theory from Moses Hess, who later morphed into a rabid Jewish racial supremacist and Zionist.
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Why is there so much emotional attachment to the Holocaust DJ 4DM1Nistered against Jews and so little attention on a much larger Holocaust DJ 4DM1Nistered by Jews. The answers to all these questions — and much more —will be found in the forthcoming pages of this book.
User avatar #35523 to #35442 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
I don't know why you are getting so many red thumbs.

I though the political board was better than this.
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#35472 to #35450 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
Duke will most likely mention, in his section on 1905, this Jew, who was responsible for Russia's loss in the Russo-Japanese War which fueled the failed 1905 revolution.

Jacob Schiff was a typical Wall Street Jew who held a grudge against the Russian Empire for not letting his fellow tribesmen run free and hold control over government institutions. The Jews were restricted to living in only the districts near the Ukraine.

War between the Tzar and Japan was inevitable by the turn of the century due to land disputes in Manchuria and Korea. The Tzar's adviser for the contended region, I remember reading, was the owner of a Russian log-cutting company with interests there. Although Russia's military was far from modern, Japan's was feudal. The Russians entered conflict with them so as to expect a decisive victory. Russian society turned patriotic, Lvov took it to himself to DJ 4DM1Nister charity.

Behind the scenes, however, picture related gave charity of his own. He gifted 200 million dollars, with extension, to the Japanese who in turned used it to fund their military. Obviously, Russia could not overcome such a thing (the fighting was many miles away from St. Petersburg), and lost the war. It was the first war in which a European power lost to a non-European power. The Russian people saw this as the fault of an incompetent Tzar, and so did the 1905 Revolution become a fact. More representation in government, the Russians argued, would be the only solution to the ills which caused such a defeat.

While Russia was amidst in chaos, Schiff was awarded the Order of the Sacred Treasure and later the Order of the Rising Sun, Gold and Silver Star in Japan. He was given them personally by the emperor; the first foreigner to have had such an honor. This, no doubt, had much to do with later Japanese friendliness towards Jews during its alliance with Germany.

A fun fact is that Schiff's descendant married Al Gore's daughter, Karenna Gore Schiff and has three children.
User avatar #35496 to #35472 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
well then.....
User avatar #35503 to #35496 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
tl;dr Schiff, a Jew, funds Japan, fucks over Russia, causes the 1905 revolution. It is an interesting story and rarely mentioned in history books. What I have read on the Russo-Japanese war made it seem like it was Russia's disorganization which caused the loss (e.i. Russian generals ordering their troops to charge into artillery).
User avatar #35505 to #35503 - pebar (06/19/2013) [-]
Same thing happened to everyone during that time, especially during WW1. Rapidly expanding industry creating devastating news weapons such as machine guns that would massacre anyone who dared to attempt a charge, which before that time was a common practice in war.
User avatar #35507 to #35505 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
It definitely was a factor, but the revelation of financial funds from Wall Street was what caused the defeat of Russia. Japanese war tactics were not any better than Russia's.

Much of those who died could have lived if their generals could fight via advanced tactics, that is true. Japan was able to overpower Russia in the end, though, only with the excess munitions they purchased through Schiff's loans.
User avatar #35449 to #35442 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
>so little attention on a much larger Holocaust DJ 4DM1Nistered by Jews.

Funnily enough, some of the biggest voices against Israel and human rights abuses are from the Left.
User avatar #35461 to #35449 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
David Duke will look, obviously, into the history of Communism and Zionism, in which they are associated. He is not writing in particular of modern leftists. The point of Hess and his association with Marx is a very good one, for instance, in which there is much to write on.
User avatar #35466 to #35461 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
And it means nothing, byposted. Communists have always opposed Zionism.
User avatar #35446 to #35442 - feelythefeel (06/18/2013) [-]
>David Duke
It takes skill to scare the majority of people away before the end of the first sentence. Good job, comrade.
#35447 to #35446 - byposted (06/18/2013) [-]
He represents his base, which cannot be said of what were the Bolshevik-weenies and what are modern politicians.

10/10, would appoint to DJ 4DM1Nistrative post.
User avatar #35448 to #35447 - feelythefeel (06/18/2013) [-]
His base is the KKK, so I don't really give a shit how well he represents them.
#35459 to #35448 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
The KKK used to represent America. Look at Dixie now that niggers are allowed to roam free.
User avatar #35460 to #35459 - feelythefeel (06/19/2013) [-]
K. Have fun with that.
User avatar #35445 to #35442 - undeadwill (06/18/2013) [-]
Wow two red thumbs already.
User avatar #35463 to #35445 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
They still think Communism is workable, and not a ploy. While the bureaucrats dined like the bourgeois used to during the post Civil War Soviet Union, the laborers had to work more for less with empty stomachs. That is Communism. Duke will attempt to show that the Jews were the masters of the ploy, and he has much to work with in that regard.
User avatar #35470 to #35463 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
And:

'There were 217,061 workers employed in the coal industry in 1926-27. Production per man is still very low by western standards, though in the past two years it has increased 32 per cent. The monthly coal output per surface miner in the Donetz Basin in 1913 was 58.2 metric tons; in 1927-28 it was 62.1 metric tons. However, production per man for all workers was still below that of 1913, due to the reduction of working hours. In 1913 surface workers had a workday of 10 to 12 hours and underground men 8 to 10 hours. At present surface men have a workday of 8 hours and underground men 6 hours. Wages are double those of 1913, plus cheap rent, vacations with pay and social insurance'

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'The labor efficiency has risen through better industrial processes and better machinery. Output per worker in the Soviet Union is still low by Western European standards, but it has been showing a healthy rate of advance. The advance has been aided by a campaign against absenteeism. In 1913 the days of actual work per worker in industry were 257. In the fiscal year 1921-22 they had fallen to 219.5. In 1926-27 they were 262.1.

On the other hand the length of the normal working day, which was 10 hours before the war, was reduced to 8 hours at the beginning of the Soviet régime, and for dangerous occupations to 6 hours. During 1926-27 the working day averaged 7.5 hours.'

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User avatar #35471 to #35470 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
AT the close of 1927 the output of Soviet industries was estimated at 10 per cent above pre-war, while the labor force was about equal to that of 1913. The gain in labor efficiency is the more marked when one considers that the length of the average working day has been reduced by about 25 per cent as compared with 1913.

Real wages for workers in industry in 1926-27 were about 1 per cent above those of 1913. This does not take account of the various additional benefits and services received gratis by the workers. As a charge upon the industries these benefits and services make an addition amounting to 32 per cent of the total payroll.

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User avatar #35478 to #35471 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
You can point to these statistics, and much of it is true I assume, but it was largely the result of industrialization. Any type of a revolutionary government could have pulled this off. I am not arguing that living standards under the Tzar were well, they were far from it.

These claims do come from You need to login to view this link so I will look more into it. Do the wages of the workers take into account the inflation of the Russian ruble, for example?
User avatar #35480 to #35478 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
What you said was that workers worked more for less, which is false.

And yes, they do take into account inflation. That's what real wages are.
User avatar #35483 to #35480 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
I will take your word for it, for now. Expect me to come prepared next time on any peculiarities in these statistics. I believe my point on industrialization still stands.
User avatar #35485 to #35483 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Industrialisation doesn't matter - that's a different topic.
User avatar #35488 to #35485 - byposted (06/19/2013) [-]
It definitely matters as it is a catalyst for higher production, living standards, and pay. The question of the Soviet economy is how did it coincide with socialist policies?
User avatar #35490 to #35488 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
The greatest advances in industry - the period in which the Union 'industrialised' - was during the beginnings of the socialist phase. It became the second largest economic power during this time. Other countries industrialised with little to no labour laws, and the USSR did it with the average working day being about 8 hours. Soviet development is unmatched.
User avatar #35469 to #35463 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Byposted, there's no evidence that communism is a Jewish ploy. You have circumstantial 'evidence' at best, but it means nothing, neither by itself or all together.
User avatar #35464 to #35463 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
I don't like Duke that much.

I rather have those stuck up bastards in Europe actually get some fucking diversity so they will stop going "Hurr Durr, Americans are Racist"

Communism requires faith like all religions
User avatar #35621 to #35464 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Reply limit.

>We are nationalist, we don't forcefully seek to eliminate our enemies across nations but rather focus on home.
Enjoy your 'anarchist' society whilst other states exist.

>Absence of any free will or institution to challenge the notion.
Oh rubbish. Criticism was encouraged in the USSR, and was extraordinarily common.

>If you claim we are internationalist only in the regard of war, genocide, and imperialism than that is not sort of internationalism but rather war mongering.
I didn't make such a claim.

>You seek freedom for workers only because you've never run or owned a business because you have not used capitalism you do not understand it. And you are for oppression of human free will and the voluntary exchange of labor and goods.
I haven't 'used capitalism'? Jesus, you're moronic sometimes.

>Anarcho capitalism is not perfect but it is free.
Communism isn't perfect, but it's freer than anarcho-capitalism. Stateless, classless, moneyless, free access to the means of production...
User avatar #35623 to #35621 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
>Oh rubbish. Criticism was encouraged in the USSR, and was extraordinarily common.
How. Would you allow Ayn Rand to speak?

Communism is the goal of socialism, communism needs to destroy all enemies. thus world domination.

That part is just showing your personal failures please take notice to the rest of the statement

capitalism requires you work for what you want but from this you can be all you can be rather than a looter in the house of a dead man
User avatar #35625 to #35623 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>How. Would you allow Ayn Rand to speak?
How? Through the press, within the party, throughout the entire country. Would we allow Ayn Rand to speak? If her criticism was constructive, yes.

'But it must not be assumed that the press is barren of criticism of the regime. Indeed, it is full of it--from Party meetings and in letters from the thousands of worker and peasant correspondents all over the Union. But it must all be helpful criticism, attacking bad DJ 4DM1Nistration or ill-advised regulations, and directed toward the upbuilding of Russia according to Soviet objectives.'
Baldwin, Roger. Liberty under the Soviets, New York: Vanguard Press, 1928, p. 152

>Communism is the goal of socialism, communism needs to destroy all enemies. thus world domination.
Er, communism is the goal of communism. Socialism can be a final goal in its own right. Communism will dominate the world in the sense that it will become the dominate mode of production. When do you plan on ending your demagoguery?

>That part is just showing your personal failures please take notice to the rest of the statement
Good job perpetuating false consciousness. Why even bother with the rest of the statement? I haven't 'used capitalism' and 'do not understand it'. Sigh, I'm against all forms of oppression and for the voluntary exchange of labour and goods, between individuals, insofar as it precedes the exploitation of labour of others.

>Capitalism requires you to work for what you want
And communism doesn't? Undeadwill, this is weak, even for you. 'From each according to their ability.'
User avatar #35626 to #35625 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
The evidence provided is highly bias.

It has not dominated the world just as nationalist socialist hasn't. If anything we will both lose to the statist progressives.

You see labor as slavery despite payment for work and I feel that you may never see past that.

No yours is "Work or die" in then people really do become nothing more than a COG in the machine.
User avatar #35634 to #35626 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>You see labor as slavery despite payment for work and I feel that you may never see past that.

Sigh. Wage slavery.

>No yours is "Work or die" in then people really do become nothing more than a COG in the machine.
Not finished with the demagoguery, I see.
User avatar #35631 to #35626 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
As we have described previously, free criticism, however hostile it may be, is permitted, even encouraged, in the USSR, of the directors of all forms of enterprise, by the workers employed, or by the consumers of the commodities or services concerned.
Webb, Sidney. The Truth about Soviet Russia. New York: Longmans, Green, 1942, p. 74

Moscow, August 16, 1930--although "free speech" and a "free press" in the western sense are unknown in Soviet Russia, Moscow newspapers are now indulging in such a loud chorus of complaints, rebukes, and pessimism as has probably not been equaled since Jeremiah was the "official spokesman" of Israel. To read the newspapers one would suppose the country was headed straight to perdition.
Duranty, Walter. Duranty Reports Russia. New York: The Viking Press, 1934, p. 369

User avatar #35632 to #35631 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Thus, side-by-side with all the self-praise and glorification I have mentioned, the Soviet press throughout the war period carried sharp criticisms of party and state officials. Over a period of months I collected literally hundreds of items of this nature, covering a wide variety of activity. Probably the most numerous reprimands and warnings were addressed to officials responsible for weaknesses in the production system.
Slipshod methods of harvesting, which resulted in great losses of grain, were continuously criticized in specific regions. Individual officials caught in the wrongful use or appropriation of state property were singled out as examples. Instances of losses due to poor packing and shipment of manufactured goods were frequently cited, and engineers responsible for waste of metals and materials were upbraided. Outright thefts of materials and embezzlement of funds were exposed and cases of bribery of state employees were frequently reported in the Government and party press.
Blockheadedness, indifference to duty, and evasion of responsibility by officials and bureaucrats were the subject of many editorials and newspaper stories, in which individuals and localities were often mentioned by name. The detail into which these criticisms enter is frequently surprising....
...Other town fathers were rebuked for failing to provide adequate living quarters, for inhuman bureaucracy, for falsifying reports, for neglecting improvements in the school system, and so on.
Snow, Edgar. The Pattern of Soviet Power, New York: Random House, 1945, p. 205
User avatar #35633 to #35632 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]

...Open criticism of different party branches for failure to accomplish their educational and organizational duties, in the rear and at the front, also, usually preceded or coincided with dismissals and new appointments. And from the extent of such criticism in the press it was evident that a process of change and reform was going on all the time.
Snow, Edgar. The Pattern of Soviet Power, New York: Random House, 1945, p. 207

Stalin continued his criticism of party leaders by discussing another familiar topic: the "verification of fulfillment of decisions."... Stalin stated, "There is still another kind of verification, the check-up from below, in which the masses, the subordinates, verify the leaders, pointing out their mistakes, and showing the way to correct them. This kind of verification is one of the most effective methods of checking up on people."
Stalin stated, "Some comrades say that it is not advisable to speak openly of one's mistakes, since the open admission of one's mistakes may be construed by our enemies as weakness and may be used by them.
This is rubbish, comrades, downright rubbish. The open recognition of our mistakes and their honest rectification can, on the contrary, only strengthen our party, raise its authority in the eyes of the workers, peasants, and working intellectuals.... And this is the main thing. As long as we have the workers, peasants, and working intellectuals with us, all the rest will settle itself."
Getty, A. Origins of the Great Purges. Cambridge, N. Y.: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1985, p. 146
User avatar #35636 to #35633 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
And some more:

Of course, criticism had been strongly encouraged during the purges, and local records contain plenty of it. The press strongly endorsed criticism from below at the end of 1938.
Thurston, Robert. Life and Terror in Stalin's Russia, 1934-1941. New Haven: Yale University Press, c1996, p. 161

The regime regularly urged people to criticize local conditions as well as leaders, at least those below an exalted level.... Pravda went so far as to identify lack of criticism with enemies of the people: "Only an enemy is interested in saying that we, the Bolsheviks... do not notice actual reality.... Only an enemy... strives to put the rose-colored glasses of self-satisfaction over the eyes of our people." As the Zawodny materials and a mass of other evidence show, these calls were by no means merely a vicious sham that permitted only carefully chosen, reliable individuals to make "safe" criticisms.
Thurston, Robert. Life and Terror in Stalin's Russia, 1934-1941. New Haven: Yale University Press, c1996, p. 185
User avatar #35487 to #35464 - naxo (06/19/2013) [-]
Everything requires faith..

Driving a road requires faith, walking down the road, leaving your house. They all require faith. Faith in the fact that you won't get hit by another car, run over, shot, stabbed, raped...
User avatar #35491 to #35487 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
No it does.

Faith is not required of those things but rather desire, and free will. You walk down the street because you WANT (desire to get somewhere)

What you are talking about is hope. Not faith.

a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>


Eat shit.
User avatar #35501 to #35491 - naxo (06/19/2013) [-]
Let's not engage in frivolous banter. This is purely semantics.
User avatar #35504 to #35501 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
For now~
User avatar #35498 to #35491 - naxo (06/19/2013) [-]
Faith:
Noun
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

Hope:
Noun
A feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen.

I don't know about you, but when I leave my house I have "complete trust" and "confidence in" the fact that I will not be raped, or stabbed, or shot. While I desire it not to happen, I have faith in the fact that it will not happen.
User avatar #35500 to #35498 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
1
: to cherish a desire with anticipation <hopes for a promotion>
2
archaic : trust
transitive verb
1
: to desire with expectation of obtainment
2
: to expect with confidence : trust


Faith is the act of putting belief in something without proof.
Hope is acknowledging the risks and proceeding.

Its a 5 second google search.
User avatar #35494 to #35491 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
You're arguing semantics more than anything.

Faith, hope, they're essentially the same thing, with minor differences. Anyway, communism is no more of a religion than anarcho-capitalism.
User avatar #35499 to #35494 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
....How are we a religion? There is no higher authority in anarcho capitalism other than the individual and ours is based on free will. If you are going to argue we "Worship" money or the free markets than no, we just see that both are more effective and logical approaches to industry and business.

Your system is based on the ideas that you are all one people and have more in common with the church than you realize. That each man is a slave to his neighbor.

1
: to cherish a desire with anticipation <hopes for a promotion>
2
archaic : trust
transitive verb
1
: to desire with expectation of obtainment
2
: to expect with confidence : trust

User avatar #35509 to #35499 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>Your system is based on the ideas that you are all one people
What do you even mean?

>That each man is a slave to his neighbor.
'Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate the labour of others by means of such appropriations.'
User avatar #35512 to #35509 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
You just answered your own question.
User avatar #35513 to #35512 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Unless you care to explain how, I don't believe I did.
User avatar #35516 to #35513 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
'Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate the labour of others by means of such appropriations.'

You keep everyone down so that every man is a slave to his neighbor. By denying everyone the right to trade or sell labor you make everyone a slave to their neighbor.

You have yet to prove that anarcho capitalism is religious in nature.
User avatar #35580 to #35516 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>deprive him of the power to subjugate ... others

I thought that was clear. How do you enslave someone if you actually can not?

>You have yet to prove that anarcho capitalism is religious in nature.

I never said it was.
User avatar #35591 to #35580 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
By holding other back, you enslave everyone whether or not you are allowed to get ahead from this act of enslaving everyone is irrelevant.

You claim that the communist faith is no more a religion than my economic system of individualism.
User avatar #35595 to #35591 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
No one's being held back. The only thing you cannot do is enslave others. If you think slavery is justified so long as someone can afford to purchase slaves, then this isn't really worth my time, is it?


>You claim that the communist faith is no more a religion than my economic system of individualism.

You never actually explained just how communism was a religion. Anyway, I stated that communism was no more of a religion than anarcho-capitalism - because neither are religions.
User avatar #35603 to #35595 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
We have been over this the free trade of labor for resources is not slavery. Slavery means you own that person which you just can't claim in today's society.

On political charts religions from Buddhism and Christianity both score on the collectivist side along side communists.

These are some posts I've made on the subject.

Communism is a religion like Buddhism, or Confucianism. No god a but more of philosophy disguising itself as a economic policy but in reality it is no different than many other religious in its nature, it believes that suffering make you great, that greed is evil, that selfishness of any king is evil. It tries to eliminate any other faiths because their holy book says that it is the opium of the people. Believe in the Jihad, crusade but they use the word "Revolution". It leads to a all powerful state ruling as a god till "Judgement day" when all of the nonbelievers (Capitalists) were killed off. Then they engage in "True" communism that is akin to HEAVEN. Communism is a religion plain and simple.

Because communism is a religion disguised as a economic system that plays off a worker's misguided anger but is another bit of twisted morality like every other religion of altruism.
It follows the same guide lines
One other gods before me (Which is why they seek to destroy all the other religions that would harm their faith and side track it.)
Love thy neighbor
Etc.
And have a revolution (Crusade Jihad what ever word works best) to share its "truth"

It wants to share the "truth" of its word with the world whether they want it or now. and when you question it they react the same manner of "You just don't get it"

Before anyone says "Well we don't believe in a god" Neither did Confucianism or Buddhism both were life philosophies.

Hell it even as a heaven and hell. Hell is imperialism and heaven is that final stateless, moneyless, classless society.
User avatar #35608 to #35603 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Then in what way does communism mean that man is enslaved by his neighbour? You're the one that brought up slavery in the first place.

>that greed is evil, that selfishness of any king is evil.
So are all forms of morality a religion?

>It tries to eliminate any other faiths because their holy book says that it is the opium of the people
It opposes religion because it is the opium of the people. It opposes other ideologies because they're dangerous - you know, the way Germany outlaws Nazism, because it's dangerous.

>Believe in the Jihad, crusade but they use the word "Revolution"
So, capitalism is a religion? What, you think the bourgeoisie didn't take control during a revolution? Is industry a religion because of the Industrial Revolution?

> It leads to a all powerful state ruling
Because states don't rule now?

User avatar #35612 to #35608 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
In capitalism society*

Imposed morality is basis of all religions.

"I have to kill you because you don't agree that my faith is a faith of peace"

To claim industry is faith because of a revolution in technology is to say the existence of worship of a fire god and a wheel god. You can not sit there and smugly make an illogical connection to an revolution of technology to that of one

It leads to an absolute fascist state because of the destruction of all of the other means of power that the people can take hold of.

User avatar #35616 to #35612 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
What?

And you're looking to impose a morality, too. Well, to be fair, you're looking to maintain a moral system - bourgeois morality.

I never indicated a support such a thing. Just like there's no one that advocates a return to feudalism, there will be no one who advocates a return to capitalism.

But you can make smug and illogical connections to socialist revolutions being equal to the Crusades?

What rubbish. It leads to a stateless society, and does not inherently lead to a fascist state.
User avatar #35609 to #35608 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
>when all of the nonbelievers (Capitalists) were killed off.
Rather, when false consciousness has been eliminated, the entire world has achieved socialism, and then the process of the withering away of the state takes place.

>disguised as a economic system
It is an economic system...

> plays off a worker's misguided anger
Xenophobia would is more akin to misguided anger. Good thing we're internationalists.

>It wants to share the "truth" of its word with the world whether they want it or no[t].
Like anarcho-capitalists.

>Hell it even as a heaven and hell
Heaven is utopian - we're not utopians.
User avatar #35615 to #35609 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
So basically when everyone else is killed off.

No its a collectivist system that requires the absence

No you are not internationalist, in any positive sense of the word, you want just want world domination you care not for the existence of others so long as they bow to the will of communism

We share the truth of freedom you of oppression and a misguided equality.

You make communism sound like your heaven.
User avatar #35618 to #35615 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Because the bourgeoisie physically eliminated everyone who didn't accept bourgeois ideology, right? No, rather people came to accept it.

The absence of what?

Wow, that might be a good argument, provided you have any evidence. Too bad you don't.

You perpetuate bourgeois ideology and false consciousness.

You make anarcho-capitalism sound like yours.
User avatar #35619 to #35618 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
We are nationalist, we don't forcefully seek to eliminate our enemies across nations but rather focus on home.

Absence of any free will or institution to challenge the notion.

If you claim we are internationalist only in the regard of war, genocide, and imperialism than that is not sort of internationalism but rather war mongering.

You seek freedom for workers only because you've never run or owned a business because you have not used capitalism you do not understand it. And you are for oppression of human free will and the voluntary exchange of labor and goods.

Anarcho capitalism is not perfect but it is free.
#35430 to #35425 - valeriya (06/18/2013) [-]
How do you pronounce that name, because I'm pronouncing it boner. Ha. Boner.
User avatar #35435 to #35430 - pebar (06/18/2013) [-]
bay-ner
#35436 to #35435 - valeriya (06/18/2013) [-]
Well that was less fun then I thought it would be, no matter, on the actual topic it really depends on if or not these labourers are skilled, or if they're filling in a gap in the market or what, by making them citizens it makes minimum wage laws apply to them (in theory) so this is going to have more kick then they're thinking, or they're aware of it and looking the other way like many things in the American Government,.
User avatar #35439 to #35436 - pebar (06/18/2013) [-]
As far as I know, skilled workers are able to immigrate fairly easily; it's the unskilled workers who are forced to come through illegally. I agree with the minimum wage part. These immigrants will be left unemployed so they'll be competing with citizens ( who are eligible for welfare) so more will be left on government assistance and further ruin the government spending problem. Even if their income is taxed to increase revenue, this extra revenue will only cause the government to increase spending on other things just because they can. Big government = big problem.
#35420 - arisaka (06/18/2013) [-]
introducing the official opposition to the fjcp

we are an advant-garde group of socialists who are anti-boredm, anti-fun, and anti-you.

Arisaka
Jewishcommienazi

toodles, kidz

(late as fuck but I don't care)
User avatar #35452 to #35420 - akkere ONLINE (06/19/2013) [-]
I agree with this.
It's high time we made a stand against these sick fucks, all for one and one for all.
To bring down the atrocity that is the FJCP.
To bring down child porn in Funny Junk.
... That's what we're fighting right?
User avatar #35473 to #35452 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Don't say that, I think my folder at ASIO is big enough without that degernerate material.
User avatar #35458 to #35452 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
This is mostly caused by the fact that Oxan didn't invite me to his birthday party though
User avatar #35467 to #35458 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
If you makes you feel any better, I never have parties.

Would you like to come to hygge on Friday?
User avatar #35476 to #35467 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
I'm going to a wedding, actually

kinda lame but my uncle is fucking awesome

also no money to get to australia
User avatar #35479 to #35476 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
Dangit.
User avatar #35481 to #35479 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
I don't have parties either

I forgot I was 17 at one point because I did virtually nothing, and my friend had to remind me
User avatar #35482 to #35481 - oxan (06/19/2013) [-]
I've never been a fan of parties. I think I've been to about three in my life. One of them I played Fallout in my friend's room for most of the night.
User avatar #35484 to #35482 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
My brother had a bunch of friends over during the week when my parents were gone. It was awful because everyone made a mess and tracked dirt in the house. My parents were using the time as a "trial run" to see if I could stay alone (I want to stay alone in new york this summer) and I basically had to scrub everything and clean everything all week because he had them over more than once

it was the worst. Fuck parties
User avatar #35457 to #35452 - arisaka (06/19/2013) [-]
If you want!
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User avatar #35428 to #35420 - oxan (06/18/2013) [-]
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

This is the best thing ever.
#35423 to #35420 - valeriya (06/18/2013) [-]
Opposition in my our party, get the guns we can't have this sectarian non-sense.
User avatar #35434 to #35423 - arisaka (06/18/2013) [-]
We were never a part of your party, good sir.

At least I wasn't.

Also I was counting to see how long it would take for the word sectarian to pop up. I am not disappointed.
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User avatar #35443 to #35438 - arisaka (06/18/2013) [-]
understandable
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User avatar #35432 to #35426 - arisaka (06/18/2013) [-]
If the Enragés allow it!
User avatar #35422 to #35420 - pebar (06/18/2013) [-]
Why do you call it "opposition to the fjcp"?
If the FJCP dies then so would this party because there would no longer be anything to oppose.
User avatar #35433 to #35422 - arisaka (06/18/2013) [-]
We're not a party.
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#35424 to #35422 - valeriya (06/18/2013) [-]
Because they're a lot more libertarian (In means at least, technically we're all libertarian in ends) then the rest of us I think.
User avatar #35421 to #35420 - arisaka (06/18/2013) [-]
I'm going to let my comrade do all the talking now because I have to go outside and do some gardening
User avatar #35395 - anonymouzss (06/18/2013) [-]
Any National Socialist on this board?
User avatar #35427 to #35395 - undeadwill (06/18/2013) [-]
That video was taken him on a campaign tour, where he visited 20 cities in 7 days
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User avatar #35453 to #35451 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
I'm watching a documentary
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#35462 to #35454 - undeadwill (06/19/2013) [-]
It was above me a moment ago.
#35385 - feelythefeel (06/18/2013) [-]
Advice of the wheneverIfeellikeit: A problem with most people is that they make complicated things simple, and much worse, simple things complicated. Always see the forest for the trees, and you'll need neither map nor guide to transverse your way through it.
#35393 to #35385 - akkere ONLINE (06/18/2013) [-]
I feel like this sums up a major issue with Politics where people keep trying to simplify a complex issue and that just causes further problems with producing misinterpretation on the matter and then producing a faulty solution.    
   
Like how people think issues are as easy as &quot;Yes/No&quot;, and whichever one seems good to them is the best solution.
I feel like this sums up a major issue with Politics where people keep trying to simplify a complex issue and that just causes further problems with producing misinterpretation on the matter and then producing a faulty solution.

Like how people think issues are as easy as "Yes/No", and whichever one seems good to them is the best solution.
User avatar #35387 to #35385 - thechurchchurch (06/18/2013) [-]
who is this guy?

I just looked through the board and i cant find him.
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#35391 to #35390 - feelythefeel (06/18/2013) [-]
Or that. It could be that.
User avatar #35389 to #35387 - feelythefeel (06/18/2013) [-]
If you're talking about the author of the quote, that would be me.
User avatar #35382 to #35372 - thechurchchurch (06/18/2013) [-]
ever heard the story about the american officer who led a NATO division during the cold war who ordered a british officer to attack an airport that was occupied by russian forces?

The british officer responded "I'm not going to start WW3 for you" and refused.

The american officer was Clark.

That asshat preaching about senseless wars almost sent us into nuclear war over a fucking airport.

Typical hypocrisy from the democrats.
#35383 to #35382 - valeriya (06/18/2013) [-]
Yeah I've heard of that, wasn't it in the Yugoslav wars (Kosovo if I remember rightly)? and I remember hearing a similar story about James blunt and how he told the Americans to fuck off.
User avatar #35384 to #35383 - thechurchchurch (06/18/2013) [-]
it was general jackson who have blunt the go ahead to refuse the order.

and they told one american general to fuck off,the vast majority of american officers were level headed about incidents such as this.

Clark is a glory hound,he wont be remembered like storming norman and McChystal.
User avatar #35381 to #35372 - thechurchchurch (06/18/2013) [-]
Clark is a talking head for the democratic party,always has been,always will be.

He's not the first person I would go to when im looking for a non biased reason for the wars.
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