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#100813 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
>Trump's wall will cost more than my socialist wetdream
Funny how nobody's mentioning the part of his plan where Mexico will be forced to pay for it. I didn't even know about it until recently.
#100814 to #100813 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Loads of people are mentioning it. It's argued as a fundamental flaw in his plan.
#100815 to #100814 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
I didn't see it until yesterday. I've seen more people just ignoring it.
#100817 to #100815 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
It's the sixth line break on his policy page, and it's been there since a little bit after he started running.
www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
People probably aren't talking about it much now because that was introduced months ago and he's dropped more proclaimed policies since then, on top of him bombarding the news feeds with twitter shitposts.
#100818 to #100817 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
It's still a good idea.
#100819 to #100818 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
It's not, because he doesn't explain how he's going to go about forcing Mexico to pay the wall. He's already giving them the equivalent of economic sanctions with the complete remodeling of the worker visas which includes increases in fee hikes, the only other sanctions he could bring would consequently blow back in our faces with how much we alternatively outsource to Mexico instead of China.
Not to mention, his plan to block remittance will require a great deal of bureaucratic set-up that won't be able to account for wire transfers, especially those tied to cryptocurrencies.
fortune.com/2015/08/17/donald-trumps-plan-to-pay-for-mexico-wall-has-a-tech-problem/
#100820 to #100819 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
We always have gunboat diplomacy.
#100821 to #100820 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Threatening with military intervention is not only going to be nigh impossible to mandate with Congressional approval, but if it did go through it'd lead to a sufficient blockade of economic outsource such that businesses would be forced to redirect outsourcing back to China, and cause us to hurt economically in between.
#100822 to #100821 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
We demand that Mexico pay to fix a problem they caused. We don't specify anything about military intervention. Mexico agrees because they're stupid, not crazy. Everyone wins.

That's real gunboat diplomacy.
#100823 to #100822 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
They're under the constant pressure of the drug cartels and organized crime syndicates at all times. If we're not explicit in stating we intend to go in and flip the country over (which would be necessary to take care of the cartels in the first place, or at least arm the vigilante groups working to fight them), they won't cave.
#100824 to #100823 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Weird that you're even better than I am at coming up with a pretext for war than I am.
#100826 to #100824 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Not quite sure what you mean by that. I'm just looking at the issue with as many big factors as possible.
#100827 to #100826 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
I'm just saying that that's a very good reason for intervention (Or at least the threat of intervention) that I hadn't considered.
#100831 to #100827 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
If something is to be done about the cartels, something along the lines of arming the gathering vigilante groups or even drone striking known cartel HQs will be necessary. But it's not something to be done while we're still juggling a war in the Middle East and only because we want to build up a wall.
#100835 to #100831 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
We won't have to it if we threaten to do it.
#100861 to #100835 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
The cartels will test that. The Mexican government might not be crazy, but the cartels certainly are.
#100864 to #100861 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
If the cartels make a move, it'll be an airtight justification.
#100895 to #100864 - akkere
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(12/14/2015) [-]
The cartels won't make any move, that's the point.
#100804 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Where do rights come from?
#100829 to #100804 - schnizel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Might
#100841 to #100834 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
You know this view conflicts with nationalism, right?
#100842 to #100841 - schnizel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
How?
#100843 to #100842 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
These people do not care about their fellow citizens
altruism like that completely conflicts with egoist individualism, ie "might is right"
These people view the individual as sovereign, not the nation
#100844 to #100843 - schnizel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
No nigga
Think of it as a brotherhood, that has a hierarchy
Big guys on top, Barsads in the middle, and CIA on the bottom
Talking about care pebsy, you are a capitalist, you care only about financial gain.
#100845 to #100844 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
so if the jews are at the top of the hierarchy, does that mean they're right?
#100862 to #100845 - schnizel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Yes and no, they have rights because of mights.
#100902 to #100862 - anon
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(12/14/2015) [-]
money power schniz, jews on their own are sweak pussy swine but they get stupid whites to fight for them
why? whites think jews are special
#100811 to #100804 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
I always figured they were a product of our need to self-define ourselves from common animals, and the ultimate product of civilization. Animals cannot speak (or write, or publish, etc.), therefore it should be the right of all humans to carry their word to the public, so long as it isn't presented in an inhumane way. Animals cannot possess extensions of physical power (i.e. weapons), therefore it should be the right of all humans to possess them (though with the existence of large-arms and explosives, this is kind of a blurry line). Animals don't elect their leaders and are stuck with whoever rules through power, therefore it is the right of all humans (read: citizens of the nation) to elect their leader through democratic process, etc.

If you take away someone's rights, they're really not much more than cattle; unable to speak, unable to make themselves independent to a larger force, unable to basically be human. Cattle don't mind this existence, but most humans that aren't conditioned to like this will grow tired of it, and it's why we defined ourselves these set constants of ability that aren't infringed unless the individual has shown themselves to be criminal (animalistic?) rather than civil.
#100805 to #100804 - thumbfortrump
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(12/13/2015) [-]
They are given to you by society.
Or you give them to yourself and await society's reaction.
#100806 to #100805 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
If they are given by society, then they can just as easily be taken away by society and thus they are not rights
If rights are chosen by individuals, then they mean nothing because anything could happen
#100809 to #100806 - thumbfortrump
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(12/13/2015) [-]
messed up some sentences
I'm talking about rights in practice. Theoretically there are many opinions on what rights are, where they come from, and what rights we are entitled to. According to natural law, you have rights just because you are an individual.
They are rights, even if society can effectively remove them. That just means your rights are being violated. And right can just as easily be declared by the individual, but if they conflict with another man's rights or moral, it will most likely lead to conflict between the parties.

"If rights are chosen by individuals, then they mean nothing because anything could happen"
They do mean something. But there is no God to smite those who wish to take your rights, pebar. They are only your rights if you fight for them.
#100808 to #100806 - thumbfortrump
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#100802 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
reason.com/blog/2015/12/12/atlantic-lgbt-summit-dispatches

By the time panelists had sorted out who was micro- or macro-agressing against whom, there was little time left for the planned topic of the panel, trans civil rights.

"Now that government discrimination is largely tamed, gay activists are going after private behavior, using the government as a bludgeon,"

During one Q&A session, an aggrieved audience member suggested panelists watch their use of the word "states" when referring to American land, as it was exclusionary to those who live in U.S. territories.

Sullivan fears that young activists will "cling to victimhood and not see the opportunity that they now have, which was built upon by generations of people that have lived through pain and suffering, and a generation that died unbelievably tragic deaths... And not to do that, given what [prior generations of activists] gave, and what they sacrificed—to revert to this sort of whiny, victimhood, constant sense of oppression—is to do a disservice to all the people that made this moment possible."
#100812 to #100802 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Gee, maybe creating an industry and consumerist culture around protest is a bad idea, considering how we can all agree there's only so many reasonable reforms to make. An industry doesn't stop if the justification ends but the money doesn't.
#100796 - minibeep
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(12/13/2015) [-]
"vice president openly admit in a speech that making the EU economy tank more by forcing them in an economic blockade of russia was a mistake because it costed the EU all the money and not russia.... but still has the balls to call it great american leadership, then you know they have 0 care for the rest of the world if they already fuck their only real allies over"

what is your opinions on this statement i copypasted from someones comment ?
#100798 to #100796 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Economic sanctions are a double edged sword. When you restrict trade, everybody loses.

And yet, there are still retards >>#100797 who think tariffs protect the country.
#100799 to #100798 - thumbfortrump
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(12/13/2015) [-]
"retards"
Stay classy, pebar.
#100800 to #100799 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
#100801 to #100800 - thumbfortrump
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(12/13/2015) [-]
That's how I see you, too. Glad we could reach mutual understanding.
#100803 to #100801 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
#100797 to #100796 - thumbfortrump
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Last I checked Russia is in recession, not Europe. So I really don't get it.
#100793 - thumbfortrump
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(12/13/2015) [-]
IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR
#100792 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Andrew Klavan Talks Trump | Louder With Crowder
#100790 - pebar
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Cruz has a 10 point lead on Trump in latest polls

Trump's favorability rating is tanking
#100782 - anon
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(12/13/2015) [-]
The Government is horrible at keeping secrets. How can anyone be a conspiracy theorist?
#100780 - feelythefeel
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(12/13/2015) [-]
>pol predicts a justice for Jaquise movement
>even I don't believe a nigger can cripple/murder a bunch of kids and become a martyr
>pol was right again
What kind of world do we live in where the future can be reliably predicted by just guessing the most shitty, morally bankrupt outcome possible.
#100787 to #100780 - anon
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(12/13/2015) [-]
>Pol
>Not cucks
#100777 - leorio
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Hillary Clinton 9/11 Family Guy Prophetic Episode
#100776 - Sunset
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(12/12/2015) [-]
why is the media trying to push tension between Cruz and Trump?
#100785 to #100776 - anon
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Becasue trump is stupid.
#100795 to #100785 - Sunset
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(12/13/2015) [-]
not a valid answer
#100770 - anon
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(12/12/2015) [-]
If your argument is "well at least I'm not as bad as x" it still means you're wrong
#100768 - feelythefeel
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(12/12/2015) [-]
Empire came to Europe a barbaric battlefield, and left it a community of culturally compatible nations.
Empire came to the new world an untamed wilderness, and left it a superpower in the making.
Empire came to Asia a neandrathalic memento of the ancient past, and left it a home of world class centers of business and industry.
Empire came to Africa a land of infinitely wasted potential,and left it with an opportunity to realize that potential.

Only the negroid could so gladly waste the god given blessing of empire.
#100904 to #100768 - anon
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(12/14/2015) [-]
nobody wants a nigger empire
#100918 to #100904 - feelythefeel
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(12/14/2015) [-]
You're missing the point.
#100766 - byposted
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(12/12/2015) [-]
My Pierwsza Brygada - Polskie Pieśni Patriotyczne - Pieśń Legionów, Piłsudski
Hezbollah Brigades Song: I am a Soldier for my Country (English/Arabic)
Lazem Ta3ref Ya Me7tal -معين شريف
#100767 to #100766 - byposted
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(12/12/2015) [-]
Feelythefeel, feel these:

O mój rozmarynie....
Karbala We are coming Eng sub -Iran-Ira War- کلیپ زیبای دفاع مقدس
Mr. Confederate Man - Rebel Son (with lyrics)
#100762 - feelythefeel
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(12/12/2015) [-]
>Obama's elected
That's just how democracy is you just gotta deal with it power to the people XDXD
>Trump might be elected
Democracy is broken Americans are stupid and can't vote the right way XDXD


If you stand for nothing, you fall for everything.
#100786 to #100762 - anon
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(12/13/2015) [-]
No one said that.
#100759 - bismarcksback
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(12/12/2015) [-]
Why is Poland so based?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXvVGjXVMo
#100760 to #100759 - byposted
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(12/12/2015) [-]
People who have historically been deprived of their independence most value it, and know that the greatest virtue is nationhood.

I wouldn't say that this is based behavior, however.

It is natural behavior. Like I said about Obama's geopolitical "accomplishments" below - what anybody would expect. But I expect more of my nation.
#100788 to #100760 - anon
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Putin bring back the USSR won't be good for them.
#100761 to #100760 - bismarcksback
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(12/12/2015) [-]
GIF
I see we are men of equal thoughts.
#100758 - anon
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(12/12/2015) [-]
ITT: Prove that your vote matters
#100773 to #100758 - mixednuts
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(12/12/2015) [-]
I live in Ohio
#100738 - byposted
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(12/12/2015) [-]
You need to login to view this link

Shiny, you were right about /pol/. I shouldn't be the biggest racial nationalist there, but I am.

I could acquire the board in time and vouch for you to become the BO of /leftypol/. Together, as part of our master plan, we won't fly so good, and crash the site with no survivors (if the new software doesn't succeed).
#100754 to #100738 - Shiny
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(12/12/2015) [-]
"(if the new software doesn't succeed)"

I'd count on it, it's a slimy Lavarel abortion made by some IRC idler hack that only knows how to use PHP, which is probably the worst programming tool ever made.

Also, have some argument ammo: only Wahhabism is explicitly pro-terrorist
#100756 to #100754 - byposted
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(12/12/2015) [-]
hello ID: f58383
#100757 to #100756 - Shiny
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(12/12/2015) [-]
I can't help it. Seven years on these stupid forums and it becomes muscle memory.
#100755 to #100754 - byposted
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(12/12/2015) [-]
lol, I know who the "developer" is. He has a habit of bullying Wizards, which is very low but obviously makes him feel better about himself.

I quoted myself btw. The argument appears to be over - no contest.
#100724 - feelythefeel
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(12/12/2015) [-]
"All you need to know about the middle eastern conflict is that the Jews want peace and the Arabs don't"
If I illegally stole your house and then offered you the basement, would you want peace? I thought I was agreeing with him before he brought the Jews into it.
#100733 to #100724 - anon
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(12/12/2015) [-]
The Israelis and Palestinians will be fighting until the heat death of the universe.
#100732 to #100724 - drastronomy
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(12/12/2015) [-]
I do not get this israel-hate thing. It seems to be the one thing libs and polfags can agree upon.

In my opinion though, israel is the better of the two. Yes, they are at times overly aggressive in their conquest, but consider this:
-Hamas uses civilian areas as bases (thus the civilian casualties)
-They are surrounded by jew-hating countries (egypt, jordan and other countries declared war on them, if you remember - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War )
-They have a proper army, not ragheads doing terroris

#100737 to #100732 - feelythefeel
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(12/12/2015) [-]
I don't like the Palestinians. But you can't blame someone for getting pissed when you fuck with them, no matter how much of a prick they may be.
#100753 to #100737 - drastronomy
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(12/12/2015) [-]
One can just as easily argue that it was the palestinians that fucked with Israel, and Israel got pissed
#100735 to #100732 - Shiny
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(12/12/2015) [-]
Center-liberals hate Israel because it's "trendy" and because those Jews have their damn white privilege. Personally I don't think they're any different from their neighbors aside from US alliance.
#100725 to #100724 - thumbfortrump
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(12/12/2015) [-]
>Every single country surrounding Israel wants to destroy it, yet Israel is the aggressor.
>Every single country surrounding Israel has much less tolerant than Israel, yet Israel is the intolerant.
>Every single government in the countries surrounding Israel oppress their citizens much, much more, yet Israel is the oppressor.
#100783 to #100725 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Israel is technically the aggressor on account of the multiple atrocities they did to take that land in the first place waaaay back in the early 1900s, like displacing people from their homes and slaughtering the ones that refused to leave.
Not saying that justifies Hamas in any way shape or form for the numerous atrocities they do, but this isn't exactly a black 'n' white issue.
#100794 to #100783 - thumbfortrump
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(12/13/2015) [-]
Yes, I can agree that the Israeli settlements are an overstep. And of course Israel can't continue to refer to historical events to justify their actions. But I nevertheless can't stand the "Isreal is evul, Palestinians dindu nuffin" mentality that especially many young people have.
#100810 to #100794 - akkere
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(12/13/2015) [-]
I can definitely understand that. People treating the issue as black 'n' white definitely goes both ways for both the absolute supporters of Palestine as well as those of Israel. It's essential that the issue is recognized for what it is, otherwise the juxtaposing that Hamas and the IDF will simply continue alternating and will only end until one or the other (and their surrounding collateral) is reduced to Stone-Age rubble.
#100726 to #100725 - feelythefeel
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(12/12/2015) [-]
1.) If life is so shitty in Israel, why did they conquer Palestine to live there?
2.) They oppress their citizens less because Palestinians aren't citizens.
#100727 to #100726 - thumbfortrump
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(12/12/2015) [-]
>implying Palestinians haven't been given an olive branch several times.

Perhaps if they stop sending missiles at Israel and stop supporting Hamas, Israel will stop treating them like they are.
#100728 to #100727 - feelythefeel
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(12/12/2015) [-]
Please refer to my original metaphor. If I steal something from you and then offer a fraction of it back, I can't complain when it isn't good enough.
#100729 to #100728 - thumbfortrump
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(12/12/2015) [-]
Funny, I don't see you criticizing Russia's annexation of Crimea.

Anyways, Palestine was never a state. It was no ones land. If jews weren't given the land, there'd be mud huts now where there are skyscrapers.
#100730 to #100729 - feelythefeel
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(12/12/2015) [-]
I criticize it so long as Russia holds Konigsberg. If you're going to justify conquest with historical claims, don't cling to land you have no historical claim on whatsoever.


Sound familiar?
#100734 to #100730 - thumbfortrump
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(12/12/2015) [-]
I agree, people who justify Israel because they were there 3000 years ago are morons. But I don't believe the current Israel is founded upon conquest, and the civil and economic development there outweighs any claim the Palestines may have. If the arabs didn't try to cast Israel in the ocean throughout half the last century, I would be inclined to criticize Israel as a state. But Israel has, against all odds, come out as the superior nation in every aspect in the Middle east, and for that I believe they deserve the land. I'd much rather have a state there run by jews, than another ISIS factory.
#100740 to #100734 - feelythefeel
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(12/12/2015) [-]
Thank you for agreeing that the new world belongs to Europeans instead of natives.
#100752 to #100740 - thumbfortrump
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(12/12/2015) [-]
Well, it depends at what time in history the territory was conquered. According to the doctrine of intertemporal law, you have to apply the international legal principles at the time of which the dispute occurs, the so called 'critical date'.
Now, acquisition of territory through conquest has been illegal since 1945, and this rule has status of jus cogens, which means all nations are bound by it. But acquisition through conquest before 1945 is, because of the doctrine of intertemporal law, perfectly legal.
So Americans actually legally own the American territory, not the natives, even though many tend to claim otherwise.