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User avatar #45330 - roliga ONLINE (08/17/2013) [-]
Dodgeball is being banned in more and more schools across America due to how some kids are shit and can't learn that they're not the best at everything in life. Are American schools beginning to set up kids for failure by making them feel like they're good at everything? My 8 year old nephew told me that on Friday they were playing dodgeball in gym and if you hit someone above the knees you have to apologize to them and you're out.


fucking wat
User avatar #45397 to #45330 - subtard (08/18/2013) [-]
I don't think it's about winning and losing. I think its about the parents suing the school if their kid gets a bloody nose from a dodgeball.
User avatar #45361 to #45330 - undeadwill (08/18/2013) [-]
Hm. Maybe some kinds need to learn to dodge. I am a dodge ball master. It a beautiful think to watch me play. I am unstoppable. I can't catch or throw but despite how big I am you can't touch this.
User avatar #45342 to #45330 - Shiny (08/17/2013) [-]
I agree about winning and losing, but I doubt kids these days are mature enough to handle a game where they throw rubber balls at each other. Bruising someone's ego is different from bruising their dick.
#45332 to #45330 - rety (08/17/2013) [-]
At the YMCA I work at, a couple years ago, a kid broke his nose because he was hit by a tetherball that had come off its string while he was playing dodgeball.

Lo and behold, dodge ball is banned, and the kids now play this game where they go into a 24' diameter fenced in ring and try to hit a kickball into eachothers legs, 4 square style underhand only.

Its fucking stupid, getting hit in the face with dodgeballs builds character and prepares kids for the reality that people will shit on you in real life.
#45334 to #45332 - valeriya (08/17/2013) [-]
I don't think as a child getting hit in the face with a ball meant anything aside from that I got hit in the face with a ball, you don't really think about it, but yeah this is a bit stupid on a general level.
#45331 to #45330 - pebar (08/17/2013) [-]
Where there are winners, there must also be losers. If you take away losers so that everyone is happy, then you won't have any winners. That's why I hate it when you get a trophy for participating; a trophy like that means absolutely nothing.

The economy is going to suffer dramatically if people can't learn discipline.
#45328 - pebar (08/17/2013) [-]
I want to buy political commentary books but I have college expenses I have to save for.
I want to buy political commentary books but I have college expenses I have to save for.
User avatar #45390 to #45328 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/18/2013) [-]
What about downloading them as PDFs?
#45326 - feelythefeel (08/17/2013) [-]
Here's a step by step guide to running the American government.
1.) Do something stupid
2.) People get pissed
3.) Start a terrorism scare
4.) People are now too worried about the terrorism scare to give a shit about what you did
5.) Repeat ad nauseum until you've done enough stupid shit to fuck everyone else over
This has been a step by step guide to running the American government. If you ever end up employing this tactic, please have a nice time being reviled by everyone that isn't either ignorant or profiting from your crimes. Either way, have a nice day.
User avatar #45370 to #45327 - Ruspanic ONLINE (08/18/2013) [-]
I'm no huge fan of Obama, but I'm pretty sure he didn't start this NSA surveillance thing.
User avatar #45337 to #45327 - CapnInterwebz (08/17/2013) [-]
To be fair Nixon was impeached for a shit ton more than wiretapping the DNC room
User avatar #45308 - greatevilbeast (08/17/2013) [-]
I'm curious, what would I be called if I didn't associate with ANY government political form.

I'm not really a "I'm a Liberal/Republican/Democrat/Etc", I'd say I'm more of a disregarding politics while living a hedonistic life style without worries of governments, religions, society formalities, etc.

So, is there a term for that?
User avatar #45385 to #45308 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/18/2013) [-]
Make political tests, I guess. You'll see if you're more authoritarian, libertarian, more to the left or more to the right.
User avatar #45389 to #45385 - greatevilbeast (08/18/2013) [-]
The problem with that is as I've said before, I'm neutral is pretty much everything.
User avatar #45325 to #45308 - arisaka (08/17/2013) [-]
You're simply apolitical. We'd have to evaluate you philosophically.

So I guess you're a utilitarian.
User avatar #45333 to #45325 - greatevilbeast (08/17/2013) [-]
Evaluate me philosophical? Sounds fine, but how will you do that?
User avatar #45335 to #45333 - arisaka (08/17/2013) [-]
Just see if any of your beliefs fit in with any philosophical ideas which have been developing since antiquity, my good sir!
User avatar #45336 to #45335 - greatevilbeast (08/17/2013) [-]
You see, it's a weird thing.

I feel as though the advancing technology lets me not care for modern society. I hear about missions to Moon/Mars and I realize I can just get away from Earth.

I really am neutral on most things. Gun Control? Neutral. Abortion? Neutral. Education? Neutral. I'm seriously the kind of guy who does the life style "Disregard politics and travel the universe with a talking raccoon."
User avatar #45457 to #45336 - arisaka (08/19/2013) [-]
You should read some Nietzsche. Writings on nihilism, surpassing 'man', etc. It's all interesting stuff.
User avatar #45311 to #45308 - akkere ONLINE (08/17/2013) [-]
Probably either an independent or just simply someone not involved in politics.

Personally, I'd urge you to get involved in learning more about issues and possible candidates as much as you can so you have a better understanding of who to give your vote to (if you don't get outraged enough to not vote at all, of course).

This way you don't end up getting buffeted by flyers and people who just tell you "VOTE SO AND SO", which is pretty much what happens to most people in elections.
User avatar #45312 to #45311 - greatevilbeast (08/17/2013) [-]
I don't really vote.

I just view it as a corrupt system that I wouldn't want to get involved with even if it was a good working one.
User avatar #45316 to #45312 - akkere ONLINE (08/17/2013) [-]
Even so, I'd still find it essential to get as informed as possible on the issues so you can have an understanding as to what's going on and why it's happening.
You might never want to vote for a candidate in any of the upcoming elections; that's pretty much what happened with the recent one, including the 2012. Two Party System is pretty fucked, and so are a good majority of the candidates. But you should still make some kind of effort to keep yourself informed (preferably with news from all sides) and up to date with issues to understand the planks and platforms that are the current make-up.
User avatar #45317 to #45316 - greatevilbeast (08/17/2013) [-]
I do keep informed (I'm informed on current things, but future things I usually don't care for.)

And the reason I'm so politically neutral is for a reason, a reason I usually don't like telling people because they assume I'm lying, and if they believe me, they basically think I'm a scumbag.

But oh well, thanks for the help. I'll try and keep a bit more into it. Maybe I should, I'd probably abandon everything humanly on Earth if there was say a Martian or Lunar space station. lol.
User avatar #45322 to #45317 - akkere ONLINE (08/17/2013) [-]
It's generally good to be politically neutral (I'm a centrist, personally) or at the very least a moderate, because that's exactly what the subject manner of politics needs; people that aren't balls to the walls on the extreme. That way, you're more likely to be able to take a piece of news and be able to sift through the bias and the fluff, and get the actual facts and information out.

If you ever want to maintain a large siphon of news from as many ends of the news, check out You need to login to view this link
They keep a bias tracker on most websites/newscasters, and topics that get a lot of attention are listed on the top with news from all ends; Left, Center, Right.
User avatar #45310 to #45308 - pebar (08/17/2013) [-]
I suppose independent.
However, if you don't follow politics, please just give the libertarian wing of the republican party your vote (Rand Paul 2016)
User avatar #45458 to #45310 - arisaka (08/19/2013) [-]
Libertarianism: you're free to believe anything else, but why should you?
User avatar #45313 to #45310 - greatevilbeast (08/17/2013) [-]
So, you want me to use my vote to vote in your favor?

Alright, but can you tell me what Rand Paul is for..?
User avatar #45324 to #45314 - teoberry (08/17/2013) [-]
I like that man
User avatar #45315 to #45314 - greatevilbeast (08/17/2013) [-]
I don't agree with a lot of his points, but he seems alright.

Who else is running?
User avatar #45318 to #45315 - pebar (08/17/2013) [-]
Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton for the democrats
Paul Ryan, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul for the republicans
Gary Johnson for the libertarians

but that's all speculation; the elections are still a few years away
User avatar #45386 to #45318 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/18/2013) [-]
Is there also any leftist that isn't completely buttimperialized and doesn't suck Obama's dick running?
#45320 to #45318 - CapnInterwebz (08/17/2013) [-]
Joe Biden might run?
Joe Biden might run?

User avatar #45321 to #45320 - pebar (08/17/2013) [-]
I've heard both ways. Either way, Hillary is probably coming out of the primaries.
User avatar #45323 to #45321 - CapnInterwebz (08/17/2013) [-]
That's my bet. There haven't been too many big name Democrats looking to run, have there?

And I'm pretty sure Biden's campaign slogan would just be the sound of him chuckling over his opponent's arguments.
User avatar #45319 to #45318 - greatevilbeast (08/17/2013) [-]
Alright, I'll vote for Rand Paul just for you, slick.
User avatar #45305 - thechurchchurch (08/17/2013) [-]
So apparently by the year 2042 the white race will lose its majority in the united states according to the census bureau,and around 90 percent of our nations population growth belongs to the non white races,mostly Hispanic.

Although I try to avoid racial politics,this raises many questions.Will the surges of non whites be able to adapt to the middle class? Or will they continue with the trend of staying in urban poor environments,if that happens I fear the country will be made up of under achievers.

I'm not going to lie,when I hear news like this I get disheartened,I don't see what good could come out of this besides bankruptcy,class warfare,and eventual meltdown. It reminds me of the fall of rome,and its even sadder because I would be alive to see it.
User avatar #45306 to #45305 - arisaka (08/17/2013) [-]
Don't forget, most of the issues with immigrants comes from poverty, not the other way around. When this economical and social change happens, the zeitgeist will change accordingly. I don't think things will go fucking crazy just because the population won't be a white majority anymore.

Funny you should mention the fall of Rome. Rome fell because of corruption, plain and simple. That has nothing to do with immigrants.
User avatar #45309 to #45306 - thechurchchurch (08/17/2013) [-]
and of course immigrants contribute to poverty as they put more competitors in a shrinking workforce,but were not talking about immigrants,were talking about a change in the current racial status .
User avatar #45307 to #45306 - thechurchchurch (08/17/2013) [-]
Detroit didnt seem to adapt to the social change,as i recall as soon as the whites left the blacks were unable to salvage even the tiniest part of the cities infrastructure,and this economical and social change is happening in 30 years,there is no way in hell the country will be able to handle that,as the capabilities of the races as groups are nowhere near equal at this time.

And my statement was more about witnessing the fall of a great society,but over expansion and,yes,racial strife led to its fall.

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User avatar #45302 - tredbear (08/16/2013) [-]
anybody know the name of the song at the begining of this?

1983   The Brink of Apocalypse Part 1
User avatar #45303 to #45302 - takamori (08/16/2013) [-]
Blue order - New monday.
#45301 - fatbenreloaded (08/16/2013) [-]
HEY FATGOTS,
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PIC RELATED: IT'S ME AND MY POOP
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#45293 to #45292 - thechurchchurch (08/16/2013) [-]
the jews obviously force fed him to make him unattractive to white women who then become susceptible to jewish sex powers which caused them to sleep with black men

<obligatory jewish stereotype
#45270 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/16/2013) [-]
This is probably old, but I only found it now.
#45254 - pebar (08/16/2013) [-]
I've moveed back into the purple square!!!!!
yay me
#45398 to #45254 - subtard (08/18/2013) [-]
Green square is best square.
#45349 to #45254 - mexicoman (08/18/2013) [-]
Im a firm, green squarer
#45296 to #45254 - jadewest (08/16/2013) [-]
This image has expired
wellwellwell
#45284 to #45254 - byposted (08/16/2013) [-]
More authoritarian.
#45281 to #45254 - valeriya (08/16/2013) [-]
Slightly right and slightly more authoritarian.
User avatar #45275 to #45274 - undeadwill (08/16/2013) [-]
Trolled so hard.
User avatar #45279 to #45275 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/16/2013) [-]
Oh man, what will I do with my life now?
User avatar #45283 to #45279 - undeadwill (08/16/2013) [-]
Get trolled
#45263 to #45254 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/16/2013) [-]
I got more authoritarian a little.
User avatar #45256 to #45254 - feelythefeel (08/16/2013) [-]
[Insert obligatory insult about moderates here]
User avatar #45245 - tredbear (08/16/2013) [-]
the US was only made to make money for the West and put sanctions on the East so it would make it easier for the West to use force of arms to take Eastern resources.
User avatar #45247 to #45245 - CapnInterwebz (08/16/2013) [-]
The US was created by the Illuminati as a front for their new world order. That's why the Challenger exploded, gas prices are so high, and the man with a turban at 7-11 looks at me funny.

User avatar #45246 to #45245 - thechurchchurch (08/16/2013) [-]
>implying the east and west rivalry pre dates 1776.
>implying the USA wasn't constantly at odds with various western european powers.
User avatar #45233 - pebar (08/15/2013) [-]
Is it bad that I don't feel any pity for the dead muslims in Egypt?
User avatar #45243 to #45233 - thechurchchurch (08/15/2013) [-]
I don't think its ever positive when a countries military fires into an unarmed crowd,although it was likely going to become a breeding ground for terrorists.

I still feel bad for some of the people though,I'm sure out of the hundreds killed there were some people who didnt want any trouble at all.

For instance,I hate Nazi Germany and its complacent citizens,but that doesn't mean it was morally right in my mind for the soviet troops to rape and kill their women.

In the end I believe the interim military government will be better than islamic theocratic non sense. But does that mean the military government is morally justified in killing indiscriminately?Not in my opinion,no.
User avatar #45257 to #45243 - feelythefeel (08/16/2013) [-]
Wait, wait, wait. Your problem with Nazi Germany is that its citizens are too complacent? What's next, hating the USSR because their tap water tasted funny?
User avatar #45258 to #45257 - thechurchchurch (08/16/2013) [-]
Yes,the citizens being complacent in their governments public displays of tyranny and racism is one of my main problems with Nazi Germany.

How that equal to hating the USSR's tap water is a leap of logic you made,not me.
User avatar #45259 to #45258 - feelythefeel (08/16/2013) [-]
I'm much more concerned with the actual tyranny and racism then anything else here, to be honest.

That last bit was a bit of a hyperbole, but the point still stands.
User avatar #45261 to #45259 - thechurchchurch (08/16/2013) [-]
The government has no power without people,and the reason evil succeeds in this world isn't because bad people do bad things,its because good people didn't stop them.

Ever heard the poem
"First they came for the gays,but I didn't speak up because I wasnt gay,
Then they came for the catholics,but I didn't speak up because I wasn't catholic,
Then they came for me,but there was no one left to speak up for me"

Or something like that,that whole poem was about german citizens being complacent.

And its a valid point,the comparison to the tap water was trying to make it seem like an absurd assertion when it isnt.
#45239 to #45233 - fatbenforever (08/15/2013) [-]
FAT BEN MADE POOP
#45234 to #45233 - valeriya (08/15/2013) [-]
Nope not really, I don't feel pity for anyone who's first identity is a religion.
#45231 - Major Mayhem (08/15/2013) [-]
Hey, NATO
User avatar #45223 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/15/2013) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Party_of_Canada

Finally found an anarchist party. Although they probably care more about throwing pies at people than anarchism.
User avatar #45255 to #45223 - arisaka (08/16/2013) [-]
They were a dadaist group!
User avatar #45236 to #45223 - akkere ONLINE (08/15/2013) [-]
This party seems more like a really over-played Vermin Supreme joke than an actual party.
....

Wikipedia has a list of people who have been pied?
#45237 to #45236 - valeriya (08/15/2013) [-]
It would seem so, this is certainly the most enlightening article on Wikipedia.
User avatar #45203 - jadewest (08/15/2013) [-]
oxan
labor or liberal?
#45191 - conservativegod (08/14/2013) [-]
Liberals hate Christianity because the Christian god is the biggest competitor to their own god: the government.
User avatar #45251 to #45191 - undeadwill (08/16/2013) [-]
I've been saying that for years.
#45217 to #45191 - feelythefeel (08/15/2013) [-]
Gotta give them "Liberals" credit, it's not everyday that you see someone worshiping something that actually exists.
#45218 to #45217 - conservativegod (08/15/2013) [-]
They think something is a god that is not a god.

If the Christian God does not exist, then praying to him will do nothing. "Praying" to the government, however, will summon the embodiment of incompetence, the King Midas of failure, who worsens everything he touches.
User avatar #45238 to #45218 - feelythefeel (08/15/2013) [-]
I can list a lot of things that praying to the Christian god does, just know that this will be coming from an atheist so not very many of them will be good.
User avatar #45207 to #45191 - subtard (08/15/2013) [-]
Not sure if people are thumbing this up because it's a funny troll or if people think it's serious and this board is retarded.
User avatar #45210 to #45207 - pebar (08/15/2013) [-]
it's a troll in response to another troll
User avatar #45225 to #45210 - thechurchchurch (08/15/2013) [-]
i think its the same person trying to start shit.
User avatar #45226 to #45225 - pebar (08/15/2013) [-]
it's not the same person
User avatar #45227 to #45226 - thechurchchurch (08/15/2013) [-]
how can you tell?
User avatar #45228 to #45227 - liberalgodess (08/15/2013) [-]
I'm not the conservative
User avatar #45229 to #45228 - thechurchchurch (08/15/2013) [-]
and i doubt that considering you're an obvious troll who appeared a few days before this obvious troll with identical names.
User avatar #45204 to #45191 - Shiny (08/15/2013) [-]
So, liberals worship something that exists?
User avatar #45202 to #45191 - jadewest (08/15/2013) [-]
I blame the commies
User avatar #45222 to #45202 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/15/2013) [-]
No u.
User avatar #45194 to #45191 - liberalgodess (08/14/2013) [-]
That is such BS. The Christians basically run this country so it's only fitting that they be brought down to everyone else's level. If you yourself are Christian, you need to apologize for all the agony you're putting people through, especially the gays.
User avatar #45206 to #45194 - jadewest (08/15/2013) [-]
such opinion
#45205 to #45194 - repostsrepost (08/15/2013) [-]
Really? Which Christians run this country? Obama is a bigot Christian then? Good to know.
#45197 to #45194 - conservativegod (08/14/2013) [-]
The gays cause themselves agony by choosing to be homosexual and then shoving it in everyone's face. They only have themselves to blame for being hated.

Besides, the Christians don't run this country. The communists secretly do. They're trying to bankrupt America, morally and financially, in an attempt to make everything collapse so they can instill a totalitarian Stalinist-style dictatorship.
User avatar #45199 to #45197 - loomiss ONLINE (08/15/2013) [-]
Yeah, gays definitely choose to be gay, so society can hate them and make htem miserable, so miserable they'd rather take there own life than "choose" to be straight I mean if they chose to be gay and everyone gives em shit why don't they "choose" to be straight. Fucking asshat
#45219 to #45199 - conservativegod (08/15/2013) [-]
They choose to be gay because they are obsessed with sex. They have no desire to control their lust (which is one of the seven deadly sins, btw), so they choose homosexuality because then they can have sex as much as they want without bearing offspring. They would rather obtain already existing children so they can convert them to their corrupt ways. Convincing people to be gay is their second most favorite thing to do (with sex being the first.)
#45220 to #45219 - loomiss ONLINE (08/15/2013) [-]
Obvious troll.   
I'm done here. You blew your cover, sir.
Obvious troll.
I'm done here. You blew your cover, sir.
#45230 to #45220 - conservativegod (08/15/2013) [-]
It was obvious to begin with. You were just slow enough not to see it until the second post.

lel
User avatar #45242 to #45230 - loomiss ONLINE (08/15/2013) [-]
Well IDK some people in the world are actually that dumb and think like that so I wasn't sure..
User avatar #45192 to #45191 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
Wow.So a few days ago we get liberalgodess and now we have conservativegod?

What a totally random coincidence that is in no way attempting to troll people.
#45198 to #45192 - conservativegod (08/14/2013) [-]
Why let the fun be one-sided?
User avatar #45193 to #45192 - liberalgodess (08/14/2013) [-]
to be fair, the conservative is not me
User avatar #45208 to #45162 - teoberry (08/15/2013) [-]
So, basically, I could claim to be female (even tho I'm a guy), and start playing women's rugby, football, lacrosse, hockey, tennis, bDarius Negrophalluston and I could run women's races and win it all? Count me in!
User avatar #45211 to #45208 - liberalgodess (08/15/2013) [-]
and what if you lose like Cartman in that one episode of South Park when he joins the special olympics?
sexist pig
User avatar #45212 to #45211 - teoberry (08/15/2013) [-]
lol i'm a man, I can beat women at most sports
#45196 to #45162 - valeriya (08/14/2013) [-]
Gender politics are of very little importance in the wider scheme of things, don't really care... They can be put on hold for now.
User avatar #45195 to #45162 - liberalgodess (08/14/2013) [-]
Totally support it. It's so sad that this kind of discrimination even exists in the first place.
User avatar #45173 to #45162 - byposted (08/14/2013) [-]
Make a list of these mentally deranged people and they will all have ropes set aside for them.
User avatar #45201 to #45173 - jadewest (08/15/2013) [-]
can u not
#45179 to #45173 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
this shit is getting addicting
User avatar #45182 to #45179 - pebar (08/14/2013) [-]
your swastika is backwards
#45183 to #45182 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
idk,this is one from singapore. I think it changes the meaning when you flip it right?

Like one way is full on kill jews and the other is the pussy peace version.
User avatar #45186 to #45183 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (08/14/2013) [-]
There's even a jewish swastika, I think.
User avatar #45187 to #45186 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
for when you want to show everyone at temple what a non conformist you are.
User avatar #45170 to #45162 - feelythefeel (08/14/2013) [-]
I agree in theory, but then there's the whole sexual dimorphism issue. For example, men are generally stronger than women, so what if a guy does well simply because he's transgendered and competes on the female side of a strength based sport?

Not that it really matters in high-school sports, but it has to be considered. Especially if it gets taken farther than just pep rallies.
User avatar #45224 to #45170 - teoberry (08/15/2013) [-]
That's the thing. I can claim to be a women and just dominate in their sports. Men have a natural advantage in this shit. The only way to get around that would to do a complete psychological test, but then the trannies will complain about that.
User avatar #45164 to #45162 - pebar (08/14/2013) [-]
That's retarded... teams are split up by sex because as a general rule, testosterone fueled males are more aggressive; it has nothing to do with gender identity.
User avatar #45165 to #45164 - rageisfunny (08/14/2013) [-]
I agree. Retarded.
#45149 - feelythefeel (08/14/2013) [-]
You know how Google defined rape as "Committed by a man"? Guess what search engine doesn't give the definition of rape anymore?
User avatar #45156 to #45149 - liberalgodess (08/14/2013) [-]
But rape IS committed by men; I don't understand what you're saying.
User avatar #45123 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
World In Conflict (USSR March)

This just gives me the chills, because if the Soviet Union really wanted to, they would easily rip us a new asshole, within a blink of an eye.

that shit scares me, the soviet union was not to me messed with.
User avatar #45172 to #45123 - byposted (08/14/2013) [-]
The Communists were more afraid of the West invading them than the other way around. Had General Patton had his way, then the war would have been continued and Poland would have been truly freed. It had about as much of a chance of being realizied as Churchill's pleas to invade Russia in the late 1910s.

It didn't need to happen in the end for Western politicians realized that the Soviet Union's lifespan was limited. It destroyed itself from within barely 50 years later.
User avatar #45175 to #45172 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
that's why they were the onces preparing for an attack rather than attack themselves.
User avatar #45132 to #45123 - akkere ONLINE (08/14/2013) [-]
With graphics that bad, we'd never stand a chance against the Soviet Union and their superior framerates.

God Bless the PhysX
User avatar #45125 to #45123 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
Doubtful,NATO was far more powerful than anything the eastern block could muster. The only real threat the soviets posed to the US was the nuclear threat,but conventional military? Not a chance.
User avatar #45126 to #45125 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
NATO was strong in aircraft and stealth

PACT was strong in firepower and heavier weaponry.
User avatar #45127 to #45126 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
An extreme generalization.What makes you say that?
User avatar #45128 to #45127 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
what makes me say that?

seriously, it's obvious that NATO was building much, much more aircraft than the USSR, and had better stealth capabilities, and radar. My Step Uncle was stationed on a submarine, and they would spy on Russian subs, they would tail them all the way to their Russian sub bases, and that shit was pretty scary, because if they were caught, they would be done for, because Russia does not take kindly to spys in their own terriory. And they never were caught because they had better radar than the USSR.

The USSR had much higher firepower, they massed produced much warmachines, such as the T-80U, which can smash an Abrams anyday, the USSR did not hae the air advantage, but they sure did have an advantage in heavier ground units, from firepower, to heavier armor, to longer range ATGMs, you name it. The USSR's military was buildt for full on ground warfare, and they really were, take the AK-45 for example, it beats the AR-15 in a milestone, the AR-15 would get so dirty from fireing cllip, and it did not come with a cleaning kit because "the gun is soo good, that is doesn't need to be cleaned" and the inner barrel would rust easily, that's why the US salvaged AK-47s from dead Commies in the Vietnam war. The AK-47 would not get anywhere near as dirty as the AR, even if it did, it would still work fine, because the gun's parts were put together loosley, so that there is plenty of room for everything to moove around with ease, but the AR, the componets are fittet tightly, so you had to clean it when it got dirty, or it won't fire, the AK was built for combat, the AR was more of being accurate, and it was more accurate than the AK-47.
User avatar #45129 to #45128 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
Well now you're talking about the differences between individual weapon systems. While it may be true that some eastern ground weaponry was slightly better than its western counterpart,that doesn't mean that it was "stronger" in firepower and heavy weaponry.

There are many other factors,like the number of artillery pieces,tanks,soldiers,and ships as well as the ability to deploy them effectively.

Do you have like,a side by side comparison of the combined firepower of NATO and Warsaw? That would prove your case better then comparing minor differences between rifles and such.
User avatar #45130 to #45129 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
are you serious? want a picture?


All you have to do is look it up

Nato was more stealthy, accurate, in weaponry, and had a superiority in aircraft

the USSR had more firepower in their weaponry, and had superiority in ground units
User avatar #45134 to #45130 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
"are you serious? want a picture?"

why are you being so confrontational?I tried to look it up actually,I couldn't find anything.

But why is it my responsibility to prove your points?You don't need a picture,maybe just a link.

You just saying it is isn't exactly proof you know.
User avatar #45138 to #45134 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
The US was more advanced than than the USSR, even you know that, but the USSR war more prepared for war, they had the numbers, they have the firepower.

Remember able archer 89?

the USSR was massively moving troops, from boarder ro boarder, they were moving mobile nukes, they were sending out surveillance aircraft, they were moving submarines to the US coast, ready to for US attack,t hey were more ready for war than they ever were.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Df7Uf3mlk

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505009/September-26th-1983-The-day-world-died.html

hope that fits your fancy
User avatar #45139 to #45138 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
I thought we were talking about conventional warfare not involving nuclear missles and such? I already conceded that the USSRs missles posed a threat to us,but our missles also threatened them.

I was asking for a comparison "the number of artillery pieces,tanks,soldiers,and ships as well as the ability to deploy them effectively."

And if im correct we always had a nuclear submarine in striking distance to russia,like at all times.
User avatar #45141 to #45139 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
like I stated before, the USSR had the number and firepower, the US had the aircraft and stealth.

Just watch the documentary, I find it very useful and interesting, I am sure you will enjoy it.
User avatar #45166 to #45141 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
Here I looked it up myself.These are the current figures as i cant find the numbers of the soviet union and the usa during the cold war,but the federation inherited most of the firepower to my knowledge,they kept all of their missles after all.

Tanks
USA:8,325
Russia:2,867

Armored Fighting Vehicle(AVF)
USA:18,539
Russia:10,720

Self propelled guns
Russia:2,646
USA:1,934

Towed artillery pieces
Russia:2,155
USA:1,791

User avatar #45169 to #45166 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
the USSR had much more ground units than the US, but the US had much more aircraft than the USSR, but since the USSR broke apart, those unit number of Russia lowered because all that stockpiles weaponry was was either kept by the former soviet states, or sold to other countries.
User avatar #45171 to #45169 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
if you can give proof of that id appreciate it,because i cant find anything.
User avatar #45174 to #45171 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
same here, I am having a hard time finding of whats online.

the USSR was made of multiple countries, so more manpower, but since it is now just Russia, the numbers are have lowered.

and another thing, you keep giving me these numbers of the current state, I am talking about the state of the USSR and the US at the height of the cold war.


Watch the documentary, you will enjoy it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Df7Uf3mlk&list=PLnYY9qf0dhv-kn2iosd3ZbC9Cv7EADmLb
User avatar #45177 to #45174 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
"and another thing, you keep giving me these numbers of the current state, I am talking about the state of the USSR and the US at the height of the cold war. "

I understand that,but these are the only stats we have,and statistics are kinda the end all in matters like this.And the states that made up the USSR still couldn't match the manpower available to the USA,it would basically take two Russias for them to be almost equal to the USA in population,plus they would have to deal with the NATO nations.
User avatar #45178 to #45177 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
You got a point there.

I am telling you though, NATO had the advantage in aircraft, stealth, and spying and what not, the USSR had the firepower.

but war with the USSR would be the end of life on Earth as we know it

seriously, whatch the documentary, you will enjoy, I promise.
User avatar #45167 to #45166 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
MLRS(Multiple Launch Rocket System)
Russia:1,421
USA:1,330

Portable Mortar System
Russia:8,600
USA:7,500

Portable anti tank weapons
USA:28,000
Russia:24,000

Logistical Vehicles
Russia:112,000
USA:106,407
User avatar #45168 to #45167 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]

Active military Manpower
USA:1,477,896
Russia:1,200.000

Available Manpower
USA:145,212,012
Russia:69,117,271

www.globalfirepower.com/

Make of that what you will I guess
User avatar #45136 to #45134 - tredbear (08/14/2013) [-]
if I find something online to prove this to you, I will let you know, I am just telling you from what I learned from the books.
#45118 - akkere ONLINE (08/14/2013) [-]
Pro-Morsi camps were violently cleared out recently by Egyptian security forces, whom used just about everything ranging from armored cars, bulldozers, and armed forces using bird shot and even live ammunition (some of which were snipers).

The camps became a sight of a conflict as protestors fought back with make-shift utilities such as gasoline bombs and even hurling paving stones, but hardly stood much ground against the security forces that cracking down on the two camps.

[From New York Times] Egyptian media claimed the dead were up to 95, including two policemen, though the injured that were flooded into hospitals would stipulate that the death toll would certainly rise higher, [From Washington Post] The government claims at least 149 were killed, and 800 injured, [From Christian Science Monitor], CSM (can't find the exact citable source) claims over 250 were killed in the clashes.

A spokesperson for the Egyptian government made a statement on state-run TV, stating that the government blamed the Muslim Brotherhood "for any blood spilled" and urged protesters to abstain from using violence. The spokesperson also warned that authorities will not stand for any attempts to attack state buildings and police stations in the wake of the crackdown.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been up in arms about the altercation, immediately estimating the death toll in the hundreds (exact figure isn't found in either articles) and calling the altercation a "massacre".

Sources:
www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2013/0814/Violent-breakup-of-pro-Morsi-protest-camp-ends-Cairo-s-tense-calm-video
www.nytimes.com/2013/08/15/world/middleeast/egypt.html?hp=&_r=1&
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/14/many-dead-hurt-egyptian-forces-clear-pro-morsi-cam/
User avatar #45221 to #45118 - annoos (08/15/2013) [-]
You do know that the citizens of Rabaa al adawya were complaining about how the protestors were shitting and pissing all over their buildings, also going up asking for food from houses in the name of god.... there were complaints to the authorities and they tried to evacuate them, but the protestors refused to go and started throwing stones at the police cars, which made them use tear gas, authorities did not shoot until about 30 police men which include about 10 officers to be SHOT dead.
The muslim brotherhood is just a dangerous organization working for the west, you cannot prove otherwise. They just want to let egypt become like my country , syria.
Don't go along with it. There is no freedom in there, there is no democracy wanted, they just want bloodshed and the country to become dead....
User avatar #45235 to #45221 - akkere ONLINE (08/15/2013) [-]
I don't like Morsi at all. I'm just posting news from You need to login to view this link because, well, it's topics that are presented from all sides. I don't like anything that has a "Muslim Brotherhood" tag to it, nor do I like anything with any organized religion tag to it, especially if its militant.

I still have confidence in what's called the "Arab Spring" (a label I didn't even know about until church mentioned it) because there's still a populace that actually wants democracy, hence how Morsi got ousted as well. Even though a large portion of it has corrosion from militants, if Egypt's direction turns properly, it could create a ripple effect for the other Middle Eastern nations.
User avatar #45241 to #45235 - annoos (08/15/2013) [-]
And if you heard about the three isreali airstrikes on Government millitary weapon storages. that were filmed by rebels in videos that can be found on youtube with them shouting ALLAHU AKBAR like they freed mekkeh again....
#45240 to #45235 - annoos (08/15/2013) [-]
But you do not get it. the people who actually want democracy will soon crumble off the streets in the face of muslim brotherhood militias or maybe even die in the streets! it is just another enactment of what happened in my country, syria! The revolutions were stolen and turned into a tool of TERRORISM by muslim organizations.... they are just a tool used by isreal and the west to fuck up the middle eastern countries that had just gotten back on their feet. Syria had no debt for no country, it was the most secure place ever i was like 12 years old and i would stay out till like midnight and the streets would stay enlightened and there are many people, i have never heard of a robbery in my area! look at us now...   
You cannot believe non of that arab spring crap, the media says what it wants, im in syria and im telling you what it is.
But you do not get it. the people who actually want democracy will soon crumble off the streets in the face of muslim brotherhood militias or maybe even die in the streets! it is just another enactment of what happened in my country, syria! The revolutions were stolen and turned into a tool of TERRORISM by muslim organizations.... they are just a tool used by isreal and the west to fuck up the middle eastern countries that had just gotten back on their feet. Syria had no debt for no country, it was the most secure place ever i was like 12 years old and i would stay out till like midnight and the streets would stay enlightened and there are many people, i have never heard of a robbery in my area! look at us now...
You cannot believe non of that arab spring crap, the media says what it wants, im in syria and im telling you what it is.
User avatar #45248 to #45240 - akkere ONLINE (08/16/2013) [-]
Hm, if that's the case, then I am very sorry about what's happening in your country. I suppose I'll take that and look into the matter more, especially when I make another news post regarding the issues in Syria as well as the Middle Eastern conflicts, I'd just have to find some reports online regarding the matter.

The primary focus of my postings is to present information from all sides, to have links to a variety of news sources so that all bias is factored out and only the full details and numbers remain. Of course, that's limited to what numbers stick to the headlines, but eventually everything gets accounted for at some point, even if it unfortunately doesn't make it as soon as preferred.

Because of that, I understand the Arab Spring isn't as fantastic as it's romanticized to be by the mainstream media sources (hence why I always read my news online rather than watch televised news) , and I understand that at the current moment, organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood and just plain militant groups who could be rated on the level of Jihad extremists (if they aren't already are) have gripped some of these movements to destabilize any government that isn't Theocratically Islam.
User avatar #45260 to #45248 - annoos (08/16/2013) [-]
It kinda of is alot sadder. You see you know about the free syrian army right? the one that came at first. This shit is everywhere in vast numbers, but they utterly fail most of the time, who does all the work are called "jabhat al nosra" which would roughly translate to "The aiding front" or some shit like that, all i know is they don't even speak arabic, they also have videos on youtube with only "allahu akbar" and some afghani gribbles in there.
The current regime certainly wasnt the best, but i would take it over people who want a muslim kingdom any day
User avatar #45120 to #45118 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
interm military government > Islamic theocracy
User avatar #45121 to #45120 - akkere ONLINE (08/14/2013) [-]
Theocracies are pretty bad, but I'm wondering why the military felt the need to make the charge against the protesters in general. There doesn't seem to be any reports regarding any violence coming from the protesters that wasn't until after the strike from the military was made, but maybe more on the story will develop as time goes by.

It doesn't work well for their image, and it just gives the Muslim Brotherhood a leg up with the momentum that'll derive from the outrage. This just doesn't seem to be a very strategic decision on their part.
User avatar #45124 to #45121 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
well to my understanding the main tactic of the muslim brotherhood and similar movements for pseudo Islamic fascism has been to create division and discontent among the masses with religious calls to arms,which middle eastern muslims are extremely vulnerable too.

Then again you can't force secularism on people stuck in the dark ages,but I'm not sure what other options the military would have had besides let them fester and become a more serious problem.

It could be that Egypt was destined for another civil war no matter what,one things for sure though.

The "Arab Spring" was a lie.
User avatar #45131 to #45124 - akkere ONLINE (08/14/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call it a lie; some of the things the previous governments have done in terms of human rights violations were pretty fucked, and I'm sure there's a large amount of the population that's apart of the protests that just want to have a more perfect government that isn't controlled by theocracies (hence the removal of Morsi).

It's a pretty hard reason to argue about a religious call to arms if the military can't prove that's exactly what the protesters were doing, where part of the evidence showcases that the protesters intended to form a violent protest at some point (import of weapons as an example). There's other ways the military could've handled it, publicly or covertly, and that was a really bad way to do it. Now the Muslim Brotherhood has plenty of outrage to work with to perform a religious call to arms, and there's even a chance there could be an actual civil war outbreak depending on what the Brotherhood decides to do.
User avatar #45137 to #45131 - thechurchchurch (08/14/2013) [-]
I would call it a lie just because I can't think of one place that was better off under islamic You need to login to view this link fact Morsi is one of the best examples of the failure of the spring movement.

And although they can't prove anything it would still be logical to assume that the muslim brotherhood would resort to its normal tactics of religious division. I think the Brotherhood was already gearing up for a civil war since the coup,in fact didnt they say something to that effect?Idk.
User avatar #45140 to #45137 - akkere ONLINE (08/14/2013) [-]
Like I said, theocracies suck, what I'm saying is that I'm sure there's quite a few people that don't want that. That's why Morsi got ousted once people realized what was going on, which is an example of the Spring movement gaining some traction even when an obstacle rises (despite the fact there's still more to do)

A logical assumption doesn't hold well in the same perspective as an actual action. If they had the actual proof of something about to snowball and become a threat to the welfare of Egypt, anything, then there'd be less a chance of the Muslim Brotherhood being able to take this situation and letting it play into their hands. If anything, they just helped them gain even more traction than they ever had before, and that's a big problem.

That's why, even if the Muslim Brotherhood was going to do something, if the military didn't come up with proof and only an assumption on probable cause when they fired those tear gas canisters and that live ammunition, then they just made a poor strategic decision that could potentially spark a religious civil war.
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