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#122808 - youregaylol
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#122806 - anon
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(3 hours ago) [-]
Foster the People  Pumped up Kicks Bridge and Law Remix
#122786 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(15 hours ago) [-]
Hillary's VP choice couldn't have been more boring if she tried.
#122787 to #122786 - youregaylol
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(14 hours ago) [-]
>not bernie
>not young
>not a spic
>not black
>not another wymn

Wow, the only thing this pick as going for him is that he's from a swing state. Hilary just picked an old rich white male when her party is going to rely on blacks and hispanics.

I think we might just have a chance boys.
#122788 to #122787 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(14 hours ago) [-]
Basically his only job is to not fuck up and maybe clinch Virginia.
#122789 to #122788 - youregaylol
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(14 hours ago) [-]
This election is all about demographics.

Hilary is banking on the woman card but men hate her, and Tony Tim isn't going to change that.

She needs the color vote too, I don't see how she'll get blacks to the polls with this shit lol.
#122790 to #122789 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(14 hours ago) [-]
I don't think a VP that reaches to minorities and women is that important since Trump already doesn't do well with them. I think she's trying to reach out to white rural voters by picking a southern democrat. Which is an important Trump base.
#122791 to #122790 - youregaylol
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(14 hours ago) [-]
Trump is doing better with hispanics, especially hispanic males than McCain or Romney iirc.

Also millennials are a huge portion of their voter base. They could've tolerated a Bernie or a Warren but another establishment dem? Who has pro life sentiments?

Dirty pool mister, dirty pool. She must really think Virginia is important.
#122792 to #122791 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(14 hours ago) [-]
He's just so damn boring.
#122793 to #122792 - youregaylol
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(14 hours ago) [-]
WOW Shilldog really wants Virginia, she actually pressured the current governor enough that he tried to give a blanket pardon to 200,000 felons in the state so that they could vote in november.

The Virginia Supreme Court shot him down but now he says hes going to pardon all 200,000 by hand.

www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-court-invalidates-gov-terry-mcauliffes-order-restoring-felon-voting-rights/2016/07/22/3e1d45f6-5058-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html
#122794 to #122793 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(14 hours ago) [-]
She does seem to focus a bit too much on it despite it only being 13 electoral votes.
#122784 - anon
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(16 hours ago) [-]
apparently the gunman has killed himself.
#122785 to #122784 - braus
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(15 hours ago) [-]
But I wanted to kill him
#122783 - braus
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(16 hours ago) [-]
ITT: How do we stop oppressing her?

Also, google now lists wikileaks as a dangerous site.
#122795 to #122783 - cognosceteipsum
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(14 hours ago) [-]
Is this a fake article?
#122796 to #122795 - braus
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(13 hours ago) [-]
Nope. Google the first part of the title. It's real
#122797 to #122796 - cognosceteipsum
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(13 hours ago) [-]
Haha. This looks like one of those "centipedes? in my vagina?" things.
#122772 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(18 hours ago) [-]
Holy shit Wikileaks just dropped a huge leak from the Democratic National Committee which shows evidence of plots against Bernie Sanders, collusion with the media, and rigging of the primary.

- Clinton's campaign wanted to out Bernie Sanders as an "atheist"
- The DNC's chairperson pressured media outlets not to criticize her
- Plotted to plant fake ads on craigslist to smear Trump
- Collusion with media sites such as Politico
- Pushed the false story that Sanders fans where committing violence and throwing chairs
- Wanted the DNC to craft stories about Sanders campaign being an alleged "mess"
- DNC found committing FEC violation and money laundering
- Secretly briefed the WSJ against Bernie "on background"

And that's only the surface. There's over 20 thousand e-mails of documents and many other documents while Wikileaks continues to post the most interesting ones.

www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/22/wikileaks-emails-show-dnc-colluded-bernie-sanders/
theintercept.com/2016/07/22/dnc-staffers-mocked-the-bernie-sanders-campaign-leaked-emails-show/
wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/25
wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1336
uk.businessinsider.com/leaked-dnc-emails-wikileaks-2016-7?r=US&IR=T
wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10127
#122781 to #122772 - youregaylol
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(16 hours ago) [-]
- Pushed the false story that Sanders fans where committing violence and throwing chairs

this was basically true though
#122774 to #122772 - whoozy
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(18 hours ago) [-]
As even Trump said

The most corrupt candidate to ever run for president
#122779 to #122774 - anon
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(16 hours ago) [-]
And yet we have to support her anyways because MUH SOGGY KNEE
#122775 to #122774 - whoozy
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(18 hours ago) [-]
If the left truly stood by their ideology they should have rallied behind Bernie Sanders imo
#122701 - shekelnator
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(19 hours ago) [-]
a small reminder :^)
whoozy
#122708 to #122701 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
The fact that you support Assad is kind of absurd given the messages you've preached earlier.
Assad is nothing but terrorism systemized. If you're willing to sacrifice all your liberty for stability then go ahead. I think you'll regret it
#122712 to #122708 - shekelnator
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(19 hours ago) [-]
>he fact that you support Assad is kind of absurd given the messages you've preached earlier.

fuck off ahmad. go blow up a mosque or shoot a mall or something.

>Assad is nothing but terrorism systemized. If you're willing to sacrifice all your liberty for stability then go ahead. I think you'll regret it
t. moderate beheader
#122720 to #122712 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Blowing stuff up is your culture, not mine
#122722 to #122720 - shekelnator
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(19 hours ago) [-]
im not the one here opposing assad. my moderate beheader friend
#122727 to #122722 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
No. You support yet another dictator

Have fun with tyranny
It is the government you deserve
#122730 to #122727 - shekelnator
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(19 hours ago) [-]
im 100% sure you dont know the meaning of dictator and what it is.

>Tyranny
>government I deserve

You have a misconception of my country history.
#122800 to #122730 - whitechino
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(7 hours ago) [-]
Don't worry bro. This American here is on your side of a Muslim empire from Libya to Pakistan.
#122692 - shekelnator
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(20 hours ago) [-]
i wonder whats is this day for.

reminds 5 years ago of this shit.
#122773 to #122692 - cognosceteipsum
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(18 hours ago) [-]
I'm not really sure, that guys psychological profile was really an enigma. Probably some form of aspergers. He was incredily calculated. Not one in a million could probably pull off something like that. Now, it's very possible that he was funded by something or someone but we'll never really know. No research is being done for it.

All I can say is that even from the perspective of him, his thinking was really flawed. He had some really grandiose ideas going on. I don't hate him. Pointless, won't serve anything. But I'm really sad for what he did, some people from the neighbourhood where my grandparents live died there and it could've been any of my relatives really. If any of my relatives died I would probably have held a seething hatred for him that would not lessen with the years.
#122766 to #122692 - anon
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(18 hours ago) [-]
can you unblock me, I want to comment on this
-cognosceteipsum
#122767 to #122766 - shekelnator
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(18 hours ago) [-]
idk why u even blocked
#122770 to #122767 - cognosceteipsum
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(18 hours ago) [-]
we've had fights
#122685 - shekelnator
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#122655 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
How many of you are Europeans?
If you are I want to hear your input on how to deal with these constant terrorist attacks

What do you think we can do to stop this madness?
#122801 to #122655 - whitechino
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(7 hours ago) [-]
Kick all the mussies out. The drastic way is the only way in this day and age. Keep only the citizens that's been there 10+ years and married to your white woman. Stop being countries of multiple bodies with one mind and be independent from each others bull shit
#122757 to #122655 - kanadetenshi ONLINE
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Employ an integration system for those who want to immigrate, stop creating refugees by destabilizing nations, stop importing refugees and aid them around the country instead. Zero tolerance for muslim immigrants with ties to extremist organizations.
#122759 to #122757 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
I agree with most of what you say, but let me ask you this. If you see someone starving outside your door do you truly have the heart to leave them to their faith? I feel like we could help them so much... if only there was a will beside economical investment...

I'm sorry don't want to be annoying
I just dislike how everything has become numbers. Genuine human reasonable ethics are thrown completely out the window
#122777 to #122759 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(17 hours ago) [-]
The problem with that hypothetical is thinking that giving a poor person money will change their behavior that made them poor in the first place. And taking them in will only raise the risk of both of you resulting in becoming poor, not you raising them out of poverty.

The only way to bring a society out of poverty is to give them the tools and skills to do so on their own. Looking at things in terms of emotion is inefficient and unproductive as it can lead us to incorrect conclusions that have us making the problem worse.

"Drugs are bad, so we'll declare war on drugs"
That was a huge disaster and only enlarged the cartels and other criminal organizations.

"Poverty is terrible, so we'll declare war on poverty and give the poor money"
The percentage of people on welfare and in poverty in America has continued to rise since them.

We have to look at what actually helps the greatest number of people and is most productive according to data, not listen to our feelings and misuse our resources in a feeble attempt to help at a moment's notice .
#122675 to #122655 - cognosceteipsum
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(20 hours ago) [-]
We'd need trump to build a wall around the anatolian border. Not even kidding. That's where they all get in, through Turkey. Once we've done that, we can let Turkey finish of their own business. They can build a border if they want to. Ideally, I'd like Saudi Arabia to handle all these refugees.

Now, a problem is that there's a lot of immigrants from Afghanistan too. About that we might need some kind of patrols around the Urals and the Caucasus mountains. It's hard to pull off but it's sorta what we need by now. I mean, they're all probably taking a certain path that nobody bothers to check, so if we secure these paths we don't have any more hazaars.
#122677 to #122675 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
A wall is unrealistic and a waste of money when we're talking borders like this
We should honestly cut all ties with Turkey. What are we if we allow dictatorships to flourish as long as they don't bother us? The same goes for Saudi btw

But maybe I'm just to idealistic
#122678 to #122677 - cognosceteipsum
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I'm not necessarily talking about a literal wall. Maybe more of a few soldiers armed with assault rifles or such. Now, this would NEVER pass to speak about, especially in a country as mine, but the denial can't hold forever. And yeah, I agree, we should let Saudi and Turkey just fester.
#122664 to #122655 - enlightednatzie ONLINE
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Well, we can nuke america so they wont support these kind of people that kill people in europe
#122668 to #122664 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Go away jihadi
#122667 to #122664 - shekelnator
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(20 hours ago) [-]
NO

AMERICANS ARE NICE PEOPLE! it is just their shitty government thats all
#122802 to #122667 - whitechino
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(7 hours ago) [-]
We're not that nice really. Pretty dumb and sheepish.
#122671 to #122667 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Listen here you little shit
America might not be perfect, but they've helped and contributed a lot t our culture in their young history

What have your people ever done for us, besides siding with the nazis?
#122672 to #122671 - shekelnator
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(20 hours ago) [-]
what the fuck is this type of comment?

i replied positively about USA
#122673 to #122672 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
That comment smells sarcasm, but its always hard to tell online
Dud I misinterpret it?
#122674 to #122673 - shekelnator
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(20 hours ago) [-]
what i wanted to reply to that swede:

Americans are really nice people. worth of being friends and best to what can represent modern humans.

but what makes their country shit is their stupid politicians and their policy. as even Americans knows that well.

also check my reply to his comment below.
#122676 to #122674 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
You're heads deep in conspiracies and I honestly don't see you ever getting out

Anyways my apologies for assuming the worst
#122679 to #122676 - shekelnator
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(20 hours ago) [-]
i live in a continent with political corruptness. dont expect me not going into conspiracy theories.

i think you know about my morals. and clearly i would not like harm to any innocent (except for some motherfuckers need to be wiped from earth)
#122680 to #122679 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Yes you do

I know your morals. Some of them are good others are horrible
I will not go into details here as we would just clutter this board
#122669 to #122667 - enlightednatzie ONLINE
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Yeah and they frequently elect people that do these kind of stunts
#122670 to #122669 - shekelnator
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(20 hours ago) [-]
its not their fault they are tricked. they cant do anything and even if they did they will be silenced and put in prison forever.

its like here. why we Muslims wont be gathering our shit is because our stupid leaders. and if we spoke against them we will be killed for sure in prison. and our corpse will not be found and not even the demon will know where is our body.
#122654 - cognosceteipsum
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Daily reminder that the retarded faglord known as lulz supported Breivik

I'd like to see his scrawny ass walk up to a buff Norwegian and say that.
#122687 to #122654 - youregaylol
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(20 hours ago) [-]
you would know about approaching buff men, though something tells me they aren't light skinned
#122769 to #122687 - cognosceteipsum
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(18 hours ago) [-]
You have insinuated that you support him and that they were traitors and you're defending it with flawed logic. You're still disgusting and mate? You're much more loonier than I've ever been with or without medicine. Now, I will leave you to rot in your own insanity. I'd appreciate it if you didn't follow me around flinging kindergarten tier insults at me in a desperate attempt to get a reaction.
#122771 to #122769 - youregaylol
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(18 hours ago) [-]
lol
#122689 to #122687 - cognosceteipsum
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(20 hours ago) [-]
whoozy
enlightednatzie

what's this guy mean?
#122782 to #122689 - enlightednatzie ONLINE
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(16 hours ago) [-]
I dont know but one thig is certain, they guy is just plain retarded. Dont listen to him.
#122691 to #122689 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
He calls you a faggot and insinuates you're being raped by black people

You know, common courtesy for this inbred weirdo
#122707 to #122691 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Well, youregaylol is an ex-m(urderer)arine. PTSD is probably getting to him from killing all those defenseless Iraqis
#122713 to #122707 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
*sailor

#122714 to #122713 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Ah, so you've had your fill of seamen in your life yet you're insinuating I like having coitus with men... so you're just projecting or what?
#122719 to #122714 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Is your avatar Christian Bale in American Psycho? I think it's fitting.
#122724 to #122719 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
damn son, you got outbanter'd as fuck.

I better leave your ass alone.
#122725 to #122724 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
spamming notifications asking me about your meds =/= banting, my friend.
#122726 to #122725 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
damage control 50% done
keep on going
#122728 to #122726 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
What damage control did you come up with to cover up stabbing your mother.
#122729 to #122728 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
damage control 100% done
I better not rek you anymore now
#122731 to #122729 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
No pls respond again, I want to share the pic of you proclaiming yourself bipolar, it can explain some of this.
#122721 to #122719 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
and your vision is also terrible... Do you have eye cancer maybe?
#122723 to #122721 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
All this talk of disease and death, I wonder if you're considering suicide.

Take the pills before doing anything rash.
#122710 to #122707 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
I don't know his identity, and he has the right to his privacy
I'm glad I don't know him in person
#122733 to #122710 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Damn, you seem like such an interesting person too
#122739 to #122733 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
What's the difference between you and lulz?
#122741 to #122739 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Is this a serious question or is this the build up of a joke.
#122742 to #122741 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Depends on your answer
#122743 to #122742 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
For one thing lulz liked bernie sanders, I didn't.
#122747 to #122743 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
LOL he didn't like bernie sanders you fucking idiot
#122749 to #122747 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
350%
#122753 to #122749 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Except no, I was literally in a skype call with him when he raged for learning that Bernie Sanders was a Jew like himself. He threw off his headset and went away. That was fucking hilarious.
#122758 to #122753 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Did he also take off his mask to reveal his true lizard form.
#122760 to #122758 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
have you ever actually seen lulz? he's always in lizard form when he's on the internet.
#122745 to #122743 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
He seemed to imply the opposite when I spoke to him. Then again the guy was wildly inconsistent
#122748 to #122745 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Idk, maybe his opinions changed

also he blocks people, i dont
#122750 to #122748 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
I know he does

He seemed relatively unstable
Did he leave for good?
#122751 to #122750 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
I'm not sure, he said he was leaving until the election was over I think, but I think that he's lurking probably.

Good guy, been here for years. Just needs to stop blocking.
#122761 to #122751 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
No person who supports a mass murderer is a 'good guy', no matter what side it is on.
#122762 to #122761 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
The allies killed thousands of jap civilians with the nukes, yet by doing so they saved even more lives.
#122763 to #122762 - cognosceteipsum
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(18 hours ago) [-]
I have drank water today.
I have a cellphone next to me.
One time I saw a cat.

Point? Relevancy to what I said?
#122764 to #122763 - youregaylol
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(18 hours ago) [-]
Allies were mass murderers. People support them because it was for a good cause. You can be a good guy and still support mass murderers.

Use your critical thinking skills pls.
#122765 to #122764 - cognosceteipsum
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(18 hours ago) [-]
Murder is murder idiot, not manslaughter. In the case of the nips and the americucks it was a case of preventing war.

This? This was cold blooded child murders, for the most part, by a person dressed as a policeman, on an island.

Nothing I have said I've done, or you have claimed I have done thus far about anything relating to my bipolar can top the fact that you support a child-murderer and think it's ok because you're fighting some sick holy war. You disgust me utterly.
#122768 to #122765 - youregaylol
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Dropping a nuke on thousands of people is just manslaughter? I can see how someone in your state might think that.

I am not lulz nor have I said I supported the AB killings. I'm just explaining why you're wrong. You'd have to ask lulz why he supports him.

You're getting loonier.

#122754 to #122751 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
I believe you and I have a very different perception of what it means to be a "good guy"
#122756 to #122754 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Far be it for me to lecture you, you've probably perceived way more men than me.
#122693 to #122691 - youregaylol
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(20 hours ago) [-]
You can't rape the willing.
#122694 to #122693 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Is that why you've never been molested?
#122695 to #122694 - youregaylol
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(20 hours ago) [-]
lol is that supposed to be insulting

are you trying to bant
#122696 to #122695 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Not really
It's more of a display of disdain
#122697 to #122696 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
I imagine you're an expert on the subject
#122698 to #122697 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
You imagine a lot of things
I'd rather not be a part of it
#122699 to #122698 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Alright, I guess I'll join the rest of the world in not thinking about you.
#122700 to #122699 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Nothing would please me more
#122732 to #122700 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Nothing except maybe shutting down some "radical" groups for saying mean things.
#122688 to #122687 - cognosceteipsum
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(20 hours ago) [-]
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're really fucking grasping at straws now.

Also, why did you want to talk to ragnar?
#122690 to #122688 - youregaylol
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Have you been taking your medication
#122705 to #122690 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
What did you mean by your original comment?
#122703 to #122690 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Why did you want to talk to ragnar?
#122709 to #122703 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Ragnar like the Viking?

Is he your split personality

Maybe thats where all your repressed testosterone goes
#122715 to #122709 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Ragnarfag you retard

thought I'd post it twice in case your alzheimers went bad
#122711 to #122709 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Ragnarfag you retard

Is your memory honestly that bad? Do you have any other neurodegenerative (make brain go bad) disorders like ALS? I hope you stop breathing soon then
#122716 to #122711 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
How am I supposed to remember every personality of yours, theres probably like 14 of them.
#122776 to #122716 - ragnarfag
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(17 hours ago) [-]
Have you talked to your doctor about that delusional disorder of yours yet?
#122780 to #122776 - youregaylol
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(16 hours ago) [-]
Apparently im supposed to know who you are.
#122805 to #122780 - ragnarfag
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(6 hours ago) [-]
Boy, you really do have bad memory
#122807 to #122805 - youregaylol
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(2 hours ago) [-]
Maybe you just weren't interesting enough to leave a lasting impression, idk.
#122718 to #122716 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
You don't even remember the fj user?

Man, your alzheimers is really far gone. Please, if the ALS goes as bad, tell one of your relatives that hasn't disowned you yet for being a fagg.. err seaman to call me so I can laugh at you while you fight for your breath
#122717 to #122716 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Ragnarfäg you retard
#122702 to #122690 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Which medication?
#122704 to #122702 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Medication in general
#122706 to #122704 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Which medication?
#122656 to #122654 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Can you link me to that comment?
#122681 to #122656 - akkere
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(20 hours ago) [-]
You need to login to view this link
This was back when Lulz was constantly shifting accounts because he kept getting banned, minding the name.
#122683 to #122681 - cognosceteipsum
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(20 hours ago) [-]
That guy is such a fucking nutcase.
#122734 to #122683 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
How many relatives do you have to stab to be considered a nutcase
#122735 to #122734 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
damage control 150%
#122736 to #122735 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Do you still live with your parents? They must be really kind if they let their attacker live with them.

I imagine they're disappointed in what you are though. Who wouldn't be disappointed in their child after their kid tries to murder them.
#122737 to #122736 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
damage control 200%
#122738 to #122737 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
I'm sure between the voices in your head and the anime porn you must've thought about how they think about you.

At best you're a not quite normal child who is to be taken care of for the rest of their lives. A burden.

At worst you're a deranged psychopath who makes every day a living hell, who will amount to nothing, and who they take care of out of fear and obligation, not love.
#122740 to #122738 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
damage control 250%
#122744 to #122740 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
It doesn't really matter, one day they'll be dead, either from natural causes or from suicide or maybe even homicide considering who they're living with.

Will you be sad when they pass? Are you capable of sadness.
#122752 to #122744 - whoozy
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(19 hours ago) [-]
This is actually interresting
Are YOU capable of sadness?
#122755 to #122752 - youregaylol
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(19 hours ago) [-]
Ask me when I'm drunk.
#122746 to #122744 - cognosceteipsum
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(19 hours ago) [-]
damage control 300%
#122682 to #122681 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Thank you
#122659 to #122656 - cognosceteipsum
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(20 hours ago) [-]
He said it in Skype
#122661 to #122659 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Ah ok
#122657 to #122656 - shekelnator
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(20 hours ago) [-]
beside him. it is true he support Breivik
#122658 to #122657 - whoozy
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(20 hours ago) [-]
Again, I want a link

I don't doubt you guys, I just want absolute confirmation
#122660 to #122658 - shekelnator
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(20 hours ago) [-]
i got no proofs
#122653 - joshlol
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(20 hours ago) [-]
>I'm interested in far right politics

means "I like far right echo chambers, politicised memes, rationalising insecurity and raiding youtube comment sections"
#122803 to #122653 - whitechino
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(7 hours ago) [-]
America has never tried left wing politics for major issues. California has and it's economy rivals the whole of France
#122663 to #122653 - pebar
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(20 hours ago) [-]
The opposite of right is wrong
#122662 to #122653 - enlightednatzie ONLINE
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(20 hours ago) [-]
''I have never actually kissed a girl despite being the age of 30 so now i fool myself by claiming that immigrants are the ones who have stolen and impregnated all white m'ladies and i post images from You need to login to view this link to further support my claim which i am a frequent visitor off and have developed a fetish for this kind of thing''

-Every right winger possible
#122665 to #122662 - joshlol
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(20 hours ago) [-]
it's all satire bro

I only talk about cuck porn 24/7 IRONICALLY
#122666 to #122665 - enlightednatzie ONLINE
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(20 hours ago) [-]
And i only watch my black stepdad pound my mom from the behind while masturbating IRONICALLY
#122652 - enlightednatzie ONLINE
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(20 hours ago) [-]
We have to keep in mind that not ALL muslims are terrorist, just a small minority with 49%. So please guys, they are not even that extreme either, it has been a WHOLE week since the last mass killing done by a muslim. Stay calm peeps.

Also, inb4 americans cheering for the muslim attack in münchen because ''hurr durr this would never happen in 'murica cus guns 'n shiet'', you guys are directly responsible for creating isis you fat inbred fucks and i hope you get another 9/11 you backstabbing jewish fucks. Sieg fucking heil.

America armed syrian rebels and didnt give a fuck about the outcome (like always) and where like ''whoopsy daisy, golly gee, looks lke they became radicalized and wants to kill all westerners now. Luckily Europe is our meatshield lmao''.

This is why the rest of the world hates you, america.
#122651 - shekelnator
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(21 hours ago) [-]
hmm
#122645 to #122599 - shekelnator
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(21 hours ago) [-]
M O D E R A T E
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#122644 to #122599 - nigalthornberry
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(21 hours ago) [-]
Even detroit is looking safe
#122639 to #122599 - thumbfortrump
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(22 hours ago) [-]
- reports of new shooting close by
- reports of several shooters
- first shooter still on the run
#122636 to #122599 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Can this stop please
#122646 to #122636 - shekelnator
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(21 hours ago) [-]
it can. once USA stupid political policy stop arming them in syria.
#122647 to #122646 - whoozy
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(21 hours ago) [-]
Can we not repeat this again?

I'm just not in the mood for your blame everyhything on the west views again
May I remind you this is Europe, not USA
Europe gives billions of dollars every year in charity to these regions, they also take in a lot of refugees from war torn land to protect them from harm

It's like the ultimate ingratitude
#122648 to #122647 - shekelnator
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(21 hours ago) [-]
i dont know man. im not the one who is arming them with weapons from the CIA letting them killing civilians in Syria. then after that i take them to Europe to be poor innocents rapefugees run by the same country who armed them. then allow them to kill innocents people while not notifying the country who took them they are ex-terrorists.

All i know is EU and USA called them Moderate Democratic Freedom Fighters. nuff said.
#122649 to #122648 - whoozy
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(21 hours ago) [-]
Yeah
We're sending the spooky CIA to arm them and then we import them so they can blow us up

What a master plan. It's probably run by the jews as well right?

#122650 to #122649 - shekelnator
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(21 hours ago) [-]
well, then ask the UNHCR. They clearly got the answer and solution you want.
#122637 to #122636 - thumbfortrump
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Only when people stop being intolerant towards the religion of peace.
#122638 to #122637 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
I'm not even going to joke about it
It's just getting me angry and depressed
#122640 to #122638 - thumbfortrump
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Well you see, I can't really take it seriously myself. Because the phenomena isn't new. We know who commit the attacks. We know what they believe in. We know where they come from.

And yet europoors continue to tolerate these people time after time.
#122684 to #122640 - anon
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(20 hours ago) [-]
where do you think the majority come from them? hint: it's not arabs.
#122641 to #122640 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Well the thing is, this is a time where transport and communication is easier than ever

Sometimes a person just go batshit insane in a few weeks. How are you going to predict something like that?
#122642 to #122641 - thumbfortrump
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(22 hours ago) [-]
We can't predict the person itself. But we can predict from part of the population the attacks will come from. Which is muslims.
#122643 to #122642 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Sure but how are we supposed to do that? So many muslims live in both EU and the west
Most of them arent blowing stuff up. How do we find the ones that will when people are being recruited through social media in a matter of days?
#122614 to #122599 - pebar
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(22 hours ago) [-]
some may think it's too early to assume the motivation of the attacker(s)

but stereotypes exist for a reason
#122686 to #122614 - cognosceteipsum
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(20 hours ago) [-]
to be fair, the biggest rampage killer lately was in the US.

before you respond and say nice, no, that doesn't count as a rampage killing.
#122634 to #122614 - thumbfortrump
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(22 hours ago) [-]
eyup
#122606 to #122599 - thumbfortrump
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(23 hours ago) [-]
M U L T I P L E D E A T H S
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#122570 - asotil
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(07/22/2016) [-]
2016 summed up in one photo
#122578 to #122570 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
Our fat guys are happier than your fat guys
#122566 - thumbfortrump
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Alex Jones And Roger Stone Interrupt The Young Turks Republican National Convention Coverage

Some good entertainment.
#122563 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(07/22/2016) [-]
"America isn't the only country with free speech"

Canadian comedian gets fined $30k for offensive jokes.
#122799 to #122563 - redandgreen
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(7 hours ago) [-]
It isn't. We've been through this twice before, you were wrong then and you're wrong now.
#122804 to #122799 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(7 hours ago) [-]
That's not an argument
#122569 to #122563 - whoozy
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Do Americans genuinely believe that free speech is exclusive to them?
#122571 to #122569 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Most don't. But I believe we have it to a greater degree than most other first world nations. Especially now compared to Europe.
#122572 to #122571 - whoozy
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Really now?
I've been saying what I want all my life
Nobody has arrested me yet

The only thing I can think of is that it's illegal to deny the Holocaust in Germany (which I think is stupid bu the way)

Of course that doesn't mean that you can't get socially outcast if you say horrible things, but I've yet to see anyone arrested unless they make a literal death threat
#122574 to #122572 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Also your personal anecdotes don't really disprove anything. I've done many illegal things in my life that I wasn't caught for, but that's doesn't mean that some people don't see consequences for those same exact actions.
#122573 to #122572 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(07/22/2016) [-]
www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/15/merkel-allows-prosecution-of-german-comedian-who-mocked-turkish-president/

Maybe you haven't, but this guy sure did. Just don't be a decently popular comedian and mock a foreign president.
#122575 to #122573 - whoozy
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Yeah, I remember that
Thing is that was an outdated law to protect foreign politicians which is now being removed

She had to enforce it sonce it was there, but sonce tje law could ne abised by someone like Erdogan it is promptly being removed

Something like this is far more appalling to me
edition.cnn.com/2013/07/12/tech/social-media/facebook-jailed-teen/

The comedian in Germany will probably get a small fine
This shitty kid got prison for being retarded on Facebook. While threats are illegal one would think a fine would suffice
#122583 to #122575 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(23 hours ago) [-]
Threats and calls to action are not protected under free speech. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a call to action which can result in injury of innocent people based upon a falsity, that's why you can be an accessory for murder if you tell someone else to kill another individual and they go through with it.
#122584 to #122583 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
I know it's illegal
That wasn't the issue

The issue is the ridiculous sentence

#122585 to #122584 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(23 hours ago) [-]
Then that isn't a free speech problem, it's an issue with that areas justice system.
#122587 to #122585 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
It could be considered a free speech problem
If I could get 8 years in prison for saying something that could be considered a threat (like really crude humour or an angry post) I would probably be a lot more afraid of voicing my opinions.

If you slip up you loose a decade of your life. A DECADE for a Facebook post.
#122590 to #122587 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(23 hours ago) [-]
That's not a violation of free speech, that's a violation of the 8th Amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). If the person is being punished for saying their opinion, that's a violation of the 1st. If they are being punished excessively or too severely for something that is actually illegal, that's a violation of the 8th.

The kid did do something illegal, but anyone knowing the totality of circumstances should have realized that 5 months in prison was excessive.

So again, problem with this situation? Yes

Was it free speech? Not one bit.
#122598 to #122590 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
When punishments become to cruel it can make people afraid to act within their rights
On paper this isnt' a free speech issue, but if this was where I lived I'd never post any form of morbid humour anywhere
#122629 to #122598 - marinepenguin ONLINE
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(22 hours ago) [-]
I still would.
#122580 to #122575 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
saying you're going to massacre children is better than critizing a foreign dictator apparently
#122582 to #122580 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
No
The reason I found the case so stupid was because of the sentence he got

Like you would think after driving home to the kid arresting and interrogating him finding out he's just a retarded shitkid a fine would be sufficient

I could do the exact same thing here and just be fined for it (if even that)
#122586 to #122582 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
He hasnt beenn sentenced or even found guilty, he spent 5 months in jail because he didnt post bond. Basically his parents let him stay in there because they didn't want to go into debt through a bail bond company, an entirely different issue.

As soon as a donor posted bond he was released.

And yeah, im gonna say bullshit on the claim that you can threaten to kill kids on twitter in germany when you're throwing people in jail for criticizing brown people.
#122588 to #122586 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
Yeah
Sit in jail and hope some random gives you half a million dollars

Tell me, in what world do you live. If it was reality the goverment would have to imprison all of pegida for life
#122592 to #122588 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
Also it's illegal in germany to say anything "inciteful", basically bullshit hate speech laws on steroids. In that sense the government can punish you for almost any controversial opinion.
#122595 to #122592 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
Do you come up with this garbage on your own or do you listen to some delusional right wing propaganda where everything outside the US is communism?
#122597 to #122595 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
"The most important and sometimes controversial regulations limiting freedom of speech and freedom of the press can be found in the Criminal code:

Insult is punishable under Section 185. Satire and similar forms of art enjoy more freedom but have to respect human dignity (Article 1 of the Basic law).

Malicious Gossip and Defamation (Section 186 and 187). Utterances about facts (opposed to personal judgement) are allowed if they are true and can be proven. Yet journalists are free to investigate without evidence because they are justified by Safeguarding Legitimate Interests (Section 193).

Hate speech or "incitement of popular hatred" (Volksverhetzung) may be punishable if against segments of the population and in a manner that is capable of disturbing the public peace (Section 130 Agitation of the People), including racist agitation and antisemitism.

Holocaust denial is punishable according to Section 130 subsection 3.

Dissemination of means of propaganda of unconstitutional organizations (Section 86).

Use of symbols of unconstitutional organizations (Section 86a) as the Swastika.

Disparagement of
the federal president (Section 90).
the state and its symbols (Section 90a).

Insult to organs and representatives of foreign states (Section 103).

Rewarding and approving crimes (Section 140).

Casting false suspicion (Section 164).

Blasphemy in the sense of Insulting of faiths, religious societies and organizations
dedicated to a philosophy of life if they could disturb public peace (Section 166)

Dissemination of pornographic writings (Section 184).

involving violence or animals (Section 184a).

involving minors (Section 184b & 184c).

Dissemination of writings depicting cruel or otherwise inhumane acts of violence in a manner that is trivializing, glorifying or otherwise injuring human dignity (Section 131)."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany
#122602 to #122597 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
We already talked about the holocaust
It's stupid and I agree

Germany have some problems in this regard due to WWII

Is it stupid? Yes
Does it make sense? Yes

Again the only real difference about the US and most of Europe is that Europe is stricter on hate speech
#122604 to #122602 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
Hate speech is just a way for the government to censor speech they don't like. You can't have free speech when you throw people in jail for opinions. If your country does that, your country doesn't have free speech. Sorry.
#122607 to #122604 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
Sure thing buddy.
We live in a tyranny because you can't yell that we should gas niggers on the street

You don't have hate speech regulation in the US?
What about hate crime?

#122610 to #122607 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
"We"

So are you a german or what?

Hate crime exists if you like lynch a black, yeah. But thats not hate speech. Hate speech codes are only enforced on campuses in the US because they want to be like enlightened eurofags.
#122613 to #122610 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
"We" reffered to Europe
quote: Again the only real difference about the US and most of Europe is that Europe is stricter on hate speech

Why should the punishment for lynching a black because you're a racist be any different than lynching a white because you didn't like his face?
#122615 to #122613 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
In theory it's supposed to crack down on hate groups, but I agree it's bullshit.

Still has nothing to do with free speech or what we're talking about though. Speech is speech, violence is violence.
#122623 to #122615 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
I can't speak for all European countries, but I know some of them have laws on hate speech
The irony is though that the punishment are much lower, so even if you say something illegal (like a threat) you'll get a small fine and move on
#122626 to #122623 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Or you can say something non threatening but inflammatory and get fined or thrown in jail, especially if you have a record.

Whereas in the US nothing happens to you.
#122617 to #122615 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
True enough, but hate speech here is limited to racicst slurs directly aimed at ethnicity so it doesn't bother me much

I could legally say that romanians are useless for example
#122622 to #122617 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
It not bothering you personally isn't the point, the point is that european countries have measurably less free speech than the US.
#122591 to #122588 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
his parents could've got him out any time, bail bond companies serve gang members, I think they can approve a loan for this kid. But as I said, different issue. He was never sentenced.

But I can criticize the holocaust and foreign dictators all I want without being thrown in jail. Thats something you just cant do.
#122594 to #122591 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
He risked facing up to 8 years in jail and he was lucky to have someone pay bail

It's illegal to deny the holocaust (because yeah... history), and actually I can, since I'm not german.
#122600 to #122594 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
He didn't get 8 years though, thus your claim that the supposed "sentence" was appalling is negligent as he wasn't sentenced. He just didn't pay bail. Anybody who doesn't pay bail will remain in holding, thats the point of bail.

"lol the usa thinks theyre the only one who has free speech lol"
"but dont you actually throw people in jail for speech"
"ya but muh history is problematic"
#122601 to #122600 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
He risked getting i

Your argument is literally "he was lucky so everythings fine"
#122603 to #122601 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
He said he wanted to kill children and swim in their blood on twitter. Whether that warranted an investigation is up for debate, but we're talking about the legal system and US law. Unless he was actually convicted and sentenced you cannot say the US sentenced him as the court hasnt found him guilty.

Your head of state meanwhile let a prosecution continue on a man who criticized a foreign dictatorship.

The two cases are fundamentally different in so many ways.

The crimes were far different. Saying you're going to kill children is far worse than criticizing a dictator.
One is being prosecuted with the consent of the highest legal authority in the nation while the other is being prosecuted by a local DA.
One is likely to get a conviction while the other is likely to be let loose.

It's a false equivalency.
#122605 to #122603 - whoozy
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(23 hours ago) [-]
I know what he said
He could have said all the terrible things in the world for all I care

The point is that a facebook comment could have absloutely ludicrous punishment. He already sat six months and had to pay 500.000$ for his freedom. That in and of itself is retarded. If he was unlucky, he could have sat for 8 years.

My head of state? How many times do I have to tell you I'm not german? Again it was abused by Erdogan and it's being removed as we speak.

I already said that the kids post was way worse, the punishment though is just pants on head retarded
#122608 to #122605 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
The punishment that he never revived is pants on head retarded?

If you're unlucky you can be murdered by the government right now if they think you're a bomber. If you're unlucky you can be convicted of a crime you never committed. "Luck" isn't an argument.

He sat in jail because he didnt pay bail. He got out as soon as bail was paid. Thats not a problem with the justice system in regards to free speech, if anything its about bail reform.

Also Obama never approved the prosecution.
#122609 to #122608 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Yes it is. The fact that this is a possible outcome is absurd
The 6 months and the half a million bail he had to pay was also absurd. Very few people have that kind of money

Good on Obama I guess
#122612 to #122609 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
It's a possible outcome that you can be tried for rape after having sex with any woman, if she says you raped her. Your justice system is absurd.
#122635 to #122612 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Yeah I agree
If you consider hate speech as free spech you would be in the right

Again, Europe isn't a country though so I don't know the spesifics for all of them

What I can say though is that punishments are usually very low, so you're not screwed if you do slip up
#122630 to #122612 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Yes and no
We try to avoid violence so some of us have some limits on hate speech. Punishments are always low if they exist
#122632 to #122630 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
I think the debate in regards to free speech is settled though, I would say it's fair to state the America has "more" free speech that european countries.
#122625 to #122612 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
We don't have incitement laws here
I wish we did so police could arrest scum groups that tries to radicalize youngsters

Better on paper and worse in reality perhaps
#122627 to #122625 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
And theres the difference between europeans and americans. In general we value free speech more than you do.
#122616 to #122612 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Being prosecuted for rape demands huge amount of evidence
Usually DNA

A lot of rapists get away because of that

The issue is when someone has sex and the girl regrets it later and blames it on rape. This is a problem in the US as well as it's very hard to prove either way unless you taped the whole thing
#122619 to #122616 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
The point is there will always be breakdowns in the legal system. Unfair things happen, mistakes are made.

However, theres a difference between law in practice and law on paper.

Europeans in many different ways and forms lack free speech on paper in regards to hate speech laws or incitement laws, in addition to the breakdowns of the legal system in practice. This causes more crackdowns on free speech than the US which has a pretty resolute free speech doctrine on paper that sometimes fail due to the inherent fallibility of man.

Our lack of hate speech laws and banning of certain types of speech makes us a better nation for free speech, despite our mistakes in putting those laws in practice.
#122611 to #122609 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
A bail bond company will pay for almost any bail. If he wanted out he could've been out.
#122633 to #122611 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Interresting
I guess the UK has it worse than most of us
#122628 to #122611 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
Do you have an example of this?
One that is not related to Germany's holocaust laws
#122621 to #122611 - whoozy
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(22 hours ago) [-]
And they expect to be paid back, correct?
#122624 to #122621 - youregaylol
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(22 hours ago) [-]
They do, at which point you work out a payment plan and incur debt.

The government is paying to put you through a trial, no court system would be sustainable without a way to recoup taxpayer losses and hold prisoners.

It's either A. We don't offer bail and hold the person indefinitely without trial and without a way to get out while paying for their housing and their future trial

Or B. Let them out with little to no bail at which point the tax payers front the cost of the trial and potentially violent peoples may be released into the general public and possibly flee.
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(22 hours ago) [-]
And if you can't afford it?
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(22 hours ago) [-]
A bail bond company will pay for almost any bail
#122577 to #122575 - whoozy
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(07/22/2016) [-]
and abused*

#122576 to #122575 - whoozy
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(07/22/2016) [-]
since* the*

Phone unit
#122558 - lotengo
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(07/22/2016) [-]
>>#122488, why did you blur out the name zaxplab?
#122778 to #122558 - Zaxplab
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(17 hours ago) [-]
I wanted to preserve his dignity
#122581 to #122558 - youregaylol
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(23 hours ago) [-]
who are these faggots, never seen them before
#122519 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
My platform

Social issues:
Abortion- Allowed, promote free BC especially in cities with high teenage pregnancy. Encourage adoption for the preggers and for parents across the country as being more sustainable for our country in general. More people, more problems.

Gay marriage- Let them have it. Not a fan of how it was obtained but idgaf about any couple over the age of 18 getting their freak on and getting married as long as it is consensual. More weddings and divorces boosts economy and jobs as well even if just a little bit.

LGBTQ Bathrooms- Dick=Men's room Vagina=Women's room. Don't give af what you were born. If this terrifies people who worry about their kids than go in the bathroom with them? Bathrooms should be based off your genitals not your social and sexual statements.

Black Lives Matter- Improve pay of all first responders thus improving qualifications for the jobs and the type of people that will apply. Encourage huge diversity programs so that cops reflect their community. These cop shootings have been exacerbated by the news and its hate inspiring coverage. Condemn acts of violence as means to obtain anything.

Women's pay- the women's wage gap is a fucking myth. That being said still ensure that the same job pays the same across the board with clear tangible incentives to promote performance.

Affirmative action- Horse shit. Scholarships, colleges, and jobs only obtainable if you meet a certain racial standard? Sounds like racism towards white people to me. Just creates more resentment and issues than it fixes. Remember, many empires over the years have pit the middle and lower class (typically two different races) against each other so they ignore the upper class pulling the strings. Don't drag down white people so that the others can catch up. Simply put effort into helping them catch up by helping themselves and understanding the options available.


Immigration
We have to get rid of the current illegals. Amnesty isn't an option because it sets a bad precedent. The system to become legal for South/Central/North Americans should be streamlined. While I don't want our numbers to increase, the income of people from around the world is a founding principle. So at least make sure they're paying taxes.

Refugees- sadly, Trump and Britain have it right. We already have so many issues with race relations currently; adding even more minorities that this country isn't acclimated to is foolish. Especially adding groups of people from violent areas with our current vetting process. The current FBI is drastically undermanned and underpowered to surveillance an influx of minority unknown citizens.


Economic
Taxes- Flat rate tax. As simple as it gets. There is no reason a starting teacher should be taxed as much as they are. Something inherently wrong about taxing someone paid by taxes...
Close loopholes that the top 1% uses to avoid paying what they owe.

Privatise as many things as possible. This creates competition in the market which drives down rates, improves quality of service, lessens the tax burden, and encourages more spending by the masses. Choice is an amazing thing and is why monopolies were so fought against.

Must crack down on offshore accounts and outsourcing jobs to other countries. NAFTA is also a joke. Super Pacs should be illegal and donors should be public knowledge.


Environment:
Short and sweet: this planet will die. However, we need to prolong that as long as possible. Global warming is real and it's obnoxious the entire world doesn't run on solar, wind, water, thermal energy.

Education
Simple, raise the requirements to be a teacher (from a Bachelor's to a Master's) and pay them one of the highest salaries in the US. This encourages the brighter minds to pursue this career and creates competition instead of complacency.
to be cont.
#122522 to #122519 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Education cont.
Remove companies like Pearson from the equation. It is ridiculous that tax dollars are sent to schools and then a private company makes almost billions from those taxes. Want to know how that company keeps its gig? Buying politicians undoubtedly.

Remove Common Core's fuckery

Don't pass kids along. They either pass or fail. Quit babying students in this capitalist society. The less people receive degrees the more they mean. That doesn't mean make it harder but don't lower standards so everyone can feel good about themselves.


Political Parties
Must be removed. People should run on what they believe in and not vote along party lines. There is no way you can divide people up into two different groups. Some will believe in gun control but not abortion, no gun control no abortion, gun control and abortion, and so on.

Each candidate's campaign should be given the same amount of money not from donors. They should be given air time to discuss what they believe and never their opponent. Immediately followed by a fact checker. Debates should consist of asking each candidate the same question instead of oddly personalised questions.


Middle East
We shouldn't be involved to begin with. The UN should be held accountable to help more. Preventing radical or unstable countries from nuclear capabilities is paramount. (North Korea should have never have been allowed to get to where it is but we need countries actually geographically close to the issues to handle them *coughchinacough*)

All of that being said, support Israel. They have been an ally to the US for the long time. Now we need to realise they'll do some brutal shit to retaliate to their unstable neighbors but they have the ability to gain a relative balance in the Middle East.

Shut their (ISIS) media recruiting the fuck down. I honestly think the government should work closely with people like Snowden.


Healthcare
As mentioned earlier, privatise it and repeal this shit ass Obamacare. Most social programs are a plague to this country and an utter burden to the middle class. No one should die for not having healthcare. However, the costs needed to save a life are obnoxiously inflated due to such a heavy handed federal government.

Final thoughts:
+Don't fuck with the second amendment but clearly gun purchasing processes are fucked up. It is hard to look at Australia and what they did and not wonder if it would work over here in the U.S.A. Background checks should be mandatory even when purchased at gun shows and the sort. Psych evals would be preferential but difficult to execute. This really falls back on the FBI's need for a stronger and better workforce/infrastructure.

+Supreme court and any other judges should have NO political connections whatsoever. Ridiculous, they should interpret the law as written not as they feel.

+Federal government has to shrink, Social Security needs to be corrected to not be such a financial burden (you get what you put in), military spending has to chill as well considering how much we outspend other countries. Could easily be streamlined as far as the bureaucracy goes.
#122528 to #122522 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
background checks are already mandatory at gun shows.....
#122532 to #122528 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Not true. It is a common loophole to purchase guns at the shows from private dealers. Yes, licensed dealers have to conduct checks.
#122543 to #122532 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
it's illegal for a someone to be a "dealer" and not be an license to be a dealer
the private transaction you're referring to is if you trade with just a guy who had a gun he wanted to get rid of.

which has nothing to do with gun shows
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Isn't that recent though?
#122567 to #122559 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
no
#122568 to #122567 - theism
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(07/22/2016) [-]
That was Obama's recent executive order, banning private sales of firearms.
#122579 to #122568 - pebar
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(23 hours ago) [-]
that's not how executive orders work
#122593 to #122589 - pebar
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(23 hours ago) [-]
executive orders enforce current laws, or deal with management of the executive branch

#1 has flat out that the order is meant to to clarify the existing law, not create a new one
it was already illegal to be "in the business" of selling guns without a permit
#122548 to #122543 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
It is a known issue to happen at the shows but yes it typically relates to individual sales between buyers. Regardless, the bigger picture was more about the FBI's current abilities to monitor some of these purchases like what happened in Orlando. Earnestly, this topic has little efficacy. The NRA has such a clutch on preventing too much change to anything to do with the second amendment. Personally, I understand the original intent of the amendment but often wonder what true use many have for an assault rifle. What Australia has done with gun control is compelling.
#122551 to #122548 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
the original purpose of the guns according to the 2nd amendment is to kill police
that is literally true; I'm not just being edgy

and what do you mean by "assult rifle"? The term assault rifle to fully automatic rifles that fire an intermediate cartridge. These types of weapons are never used in crime because they are so uncommon

do you mean an AR-15, pic related, and similar weapons? because this isn't an assault rifle. So what exactly do you mean?
#122552 to #122551 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
To specify, I mean semi-automatic rifles. The ban in Australia focused on semi-automatic in particular and had great statistical effects. Not saying it would do the exact same for our country but it is worth looking into.

#122553 to #122552 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Nearly every pistol, pic related, you will ever come across is semi-automatic
revolvers fire at the same rate

what's wrong with semi-automatic?
#122555 to #122553 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Regardless, I am heading to bed. I appreciate this chat though and the opportunity to discuss things at a level-headed manner. I would have to say I think either of us would make a better presidential option at this point.
#122554 to #122553 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
I think it is hard to say exactly. The thing is that, with recent events especially, there is a desire to make some type of change to the existing system to improve the safety of our people. However, there is a case to make that more people being armed could protect themselves.

Typically it is the semi-automatic rifles that appear excessive but even the handguns as you pictured have become common amongst these shootings. It is a difficult topic with no real answer for a solution that comes to mind.
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(23 hours ago) [-]
it's hard to say because the position you're taking is indefensible unless you also want to ban ALL handguns
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(07/22/2016) [-]
how are you going to force private citizens from exchanging firearms?
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(07/22/2016) [-]
That's the issue isn't it? Not much you can do in situations like that without overreaching the federal government's powers. Typically if some shady transaction is committed the serial numbers are filed off which becomes a serious crime. However, making the punishments severe doesn't serve as a deterrent. I don't claim to know everything so I would love to know what your idea may be. Also why I mentioned looking at other countries approaches to firearms and their effectiveness. Mostly you would have to make selling the guns back through the proper channels more appealing than a backdoor option.
#122521 to #122519 - youregaylol
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(07/22/2016) [-]
what is your stance of memes

specifically meme proliferation and the right to bear memes in public
#122523 to #122521 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
All memes are created equal but their status in the world are determined by their own originality and humorous content. May they roam free but with caution.
#122525 to #122523 - youregaylol
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(07/22/2016) [-]
communist faggot
#122531 to #122525 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Fair enough
#122520 to #122519 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
where to begin.....

>abortion - "promote free" - considering how controversial it is already, this would cause an absolute shit storm
>for gays; do you think government should force a bakery to cater a gay wedding against their wishes?
why or why not?
>bathrooms - what do you think about the phrase "separate but equal"?
>BLM - pay doesn't improve qualifications; it's the other way around, higher standards do
>equal pay - what gives you the right to intervene in the private transactions of consenting adults?

>flat taxes are inherently regressive since income has diminishing marginal utility (poor people care more about an extra dollar)
>crack down on outsourcing jobs - you know absolutely nothing about economics. Of all the issues, you pick the most uncontroversial thing in the field. What you just said is akin to supporting creationism. It's really that retarded.
>super pacs - the reason donors are not public is so they can voice their opinion without fear of public back lash. It is the exact same philosophy "Anonymous" wears the guy fauks mask

environment - the only reasons we haven't switched is because fossil fuels are super cheap and people would go bananas if their utility and gas bills quadrupled

education - high standards lead to a lack of supply which leads to high pay
high pay does not create higher standards
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(07/22/2016) [-]
I don't think they should be forced. If their offer for example says they don't want to sell to a certain group of people, fine.

However, if they do not specify in the offer, they should and are legally bound by it.
#122550 to #122539 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Now, I don't think a government employee should be allowed to refuse the service. If they can't serve the needs of their job then they should be removed from the job.
#122556 to #122550 - thumbfortrump
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(07/22/2016) [-]
I agree, I'm of course only talking about privately owned businesses.
#122530 to #122520 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
>Shit storms lead to real effective change.

>Nope, private companies have a right to refuse service and always have. Don't be dicks about refusing the service and if you're turned down you should go elsewhere and you have the freedom to shit talk that establishment all over yelp. Personally, if I'm a business owner, I'll take your money even if you're a neo-nazi. Not my place to judge your hitler cake.

>I don't think anyone is equal in the first place. We may be born equal. But our circumstances, genetics, cultures, etc. separate us. No life is lesser than others and all deserve the same rights but physically I am not equal to Michael Phelps, mentally I am not equal to many, and so on. But yes, all should be treated equally IT IS THE GOLDEN RULE.

>Both higher pay and higher qualifications is what I proposed. I have seen my peers entering the education major and it is not a bright group. Most of the intelligent people tend to go towards the higher paying jobs but I know many who would teach in a heartbeat if the money was better. Agreed with your point overall though.

>Nothing. Like I said with private businesses, that is there right. However, as far as government ran jobs go that is something that can be controlled.

>That is true but flat tax often brings more out of the upper percenters and provides a more 'fair' feeling than the current flawed bracketing system where sometimes you make less by getting a raise into the bottom of a bracket. People shouldn't fear more money.

>Economics is an admitted weak point but I think that your response was a little excessive and harsh. Typically, I would look at countries that are successful or plans that have been historically successful and emulate those.

>I understand where you're coming from with the anonymous protection of donating but it causes more harm than good. Typically businesses are donating large chunks for an unjust reason.

>I understand that as well but as a long term solution there is almost no debate to be had.

>A mix of higher pay and fair standards leads to a better education and an honest product. If the standards are set instead of continually lowered than it is known what is expected and that each year has a certain benchmark.
#122541 to #122530 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
>Economics is an admitted weak point

the most successful countries have open trade
#122544 to #122541 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Lol nice picture included. That's the reason I skimped out on the economic section. I'm not well versed in it and it is such a broad topic to delve into. I have some required reading to do on free trade in general no doubt.
#122545 to #122544 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
Milton Friedman  Imports Exports  Exchange Rates I hope this isn't too advanced for you
#122546 to #122545 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
The music leading into this video is spectacular. Currently watching.
I do enjoy my continued polite and conversational tone I am maintaining with you while insist on coming off as antagonistic
#122547 to #122546 - pebar
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(07/22/2016) [-]
people against free trade are my trigger
libertypen, the uploader, does that with all their videos
#122549 to #122547 - zanekin
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(07/22/2016) [-]
I was earnestly ignorant on the subject. Inherently, it seems to be negative due to shipping out jobs. A quick read on some articles and the video makes a lot of sense on its benefits. Hell, the numbers speak for themself. Now tax loopholes with businesses are real issues but a completely different topic.