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#575 - garymuthafuknoak
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(02/15/2012) [-]
0 have killed people cause neither exist
#561 - prototypewalrus **User deleted account**
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#367 - forevertrombone
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I don't understand!! If you don't like it, why do you talk about it all the time?!!
#375 to #367 - Kodakat
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to anger people like you.

#425 to #367 - highflyre
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Because you need to you were lied to...

#433 - applezachs
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i believe it was because god prevented Satan from killing anyone
#252 - austinsaget
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The devil punishes people for all eternity for being evil, and the devils the bad guy? seems legit.
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#258 to #257 - austinsaget
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Then how do you explain hell?
#260 to #258 - seniorawesomesauce
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Satan suffers in Hell too, he doesn't rule anything.
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#332 to #298 - austinsaget
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Dear god what did i start.
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#50 - anon
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#129 to #50 - controlthechaos
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(02/14/2012) [-]
You like that ************?!? ******* love plants...
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#84 to #50 - anotherone
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my garden is the best
my garden is the best
#67 to #50 - biggrand
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come at me bro
#52 to #50 - frozenbro
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#51 to #50 - faithrider ONLINE
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**faithrider rolled a random image posted in comment #157 at THE LZ! ** <<what i plant in my garden
#68 to #51 - therealpokemon
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And the Lord planted the seeds of jet engine technology. And it came to pass that whence the rains had departed out of the valley, that the trees did grow, and unto them was presented a bounty of A-10's.
And the Lord saw that it was good.
#369 - coppi
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(02/15/2012) [-]
just gonna leave this here
#397 to #369 - sweatymexican
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(02/15/2012) [-]
HAIL CATHULU!
#416 to #397 - anon
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*Cthulhu
#325 - wtfmoo
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nice try argumentf⁣ag
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#312 - lcarnage
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**lcarnage rolled a random image posted in comment #547 at Valentines **
I'm an atheist because God made me one.

Problem Christians?
#322 to #312 - latinotornado
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u made urself one
#229 - anon
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(02/15/2012) [-]
Well who gave the most life? :P
#304 to #229 - anon
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So if I had 20 kids, then that means i can kill 20 people?
#241 to #229 - zimfizz
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Your mom...BOOM
#201 - griffkool
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Oh look another post about religion on the frontpage..
#125 - mystupidaccount
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#163 to #125 - vanoreo
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#103 - supamonkey
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plus, satan has all them sexy demonic bitches
#41 - Aiwatcher
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At this point, I think we're kicking a dead horse. Everyone who knows religion is crazy already does, and everybody who doesn't wants to wring our necks.
#617 - wishfullwalrus
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despite my atheism, i think posting arbitrary numbers doesn't really prove a point.
#126 - mrmound
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so, just for the record, technically Satan has killed every single person to have ever lived. Humans were immortal until Satan convinced Adam and Eve to eat from the forbidden tree.
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#127 to #126 - anon
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So, just for the record none of that ever actually happened.
#134 to #127 - mrmound
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who said anything about it being true?yes, I believe its true, but for the sake of this argument, lets look at the bible as a piece of literature. nothing more, nothing less. Satan is responsible for the death of every human, because he convinced Adam and Eve to eat the apple. Do you read it differently?
#151 to #134 - jedic
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Since we are talking in hypotheticals. Wouldn't God be responsible for the death of every human for creating us in the first place?
#176 to #151 - ZOOTAllures
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if god is omniscient then he knew eve was going to eat the apple, and would have known the devil would tempt her, in fact it would be part of his plan, as a being that knows everything cannot change their mind as to change ones mind requires you to have new information which can not happen if you know everything, so every death ever has all been part of his plan. therefore he is responsible for them all. God has killed everything that has ever died.
#179 to #176 - jedic
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Please read my comment below. It basically inferred that.
#186 to #179 - ZOOTAllures
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yeah sorry i read it after i posted mine, great minds think a like, although i am not religious
#197 to #186 - jedic
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I would consider myself more religious then not. I just like arguing because that is the best way (in my opinion) to hone your idea's and mind into an effective weapon when you need it for a serious situation.
#217 to #197 - ZOOTAllures
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i am an atheist, and am as anti-religion and spirituality as someone can be, it's not that i a not aware o the ideas and concepts, it's that i don't strive to believe i strive to know and to know you need reason and you need evidence and faith is the opposite to this. Faith is the idea that something is true without evidence or reason-faith is not knowledge it is just a thought
#165 to #151 - mrmound
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No, because he created us with the intention that we would live forever. So if Adam and Eve would have stayed away from that tree then they would still be alive. Although, God was the one to curse them with mortality when they did eat from the tree. So i guess my answer is no, He is not responsible simply because he created us; you could make the argument though that he is responsible because he was the one who cursed us.
#216 to #165 - anon
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Erm, actually he didn't. There were two fruit bearing trees in the Garden, the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the fruit of Life which would make you immortal like God if eaten.
#171 to #165 - jedic
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But, if you believe in God the Father then you would have to admit that Adam and Eve eating the fruit, thus allowing them to give birth to the human race, was part of his plan. Thus his entire plan involved him waiting and seeing how long it took Adam and Eve to mess up their single commandment.

So, one could infer from this that God set Adam and Eve up to fail rather then just giving them a 'mortal' life right off the bat.

Note, I am not Anti-Christianity I just like to argue opposite points to see what type of defense people put up.
#185 to #171 - mrmound
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oh, i didn't see you as anti christian in the least. Playing devils advocate is always good.

anyways, what this argument is boiling down to is the classic paradox of God's plan vs. freewill. How is it possible that God is all knowing, and He gave us the ability to have free will. I can't answer that question.

Also, humans could give birth before God put the curse on them. The curse just made childbirth painful, and increased the odds of conception.
#206 to #185 - ZOOTAllures
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the reason why you can't answer that question is because it's impossible to. It's basically the question-how can two opposing things, that cancel each other out, occupy the same space at the same time- the answer is they can't.
God can not be all-knowing and and at the same time we have the power of free will, its logically and grammatically impossible. Its like asking, how can something be both light and dark at the same time, no its either light or dark.
#193 to #185 - jedic
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Actually. It's really easy to explain God's Plan vs. Freewill. We have the ability to choose whatever we feel like choosing but since he is God he already knows what we are going to choose to do. Thus, while he could force us to choose what we were going to choose anyway he has the ability to say &quot;I did not make you choose that choice.&quot;    
   
   
One could say that since they were still innocent they never even thought about it till afterwards. Else, you'll need to explain to me how come they had no kids till afterwards.
Actually. It's really easy to explain God's Plan vs. Freewill. We have the ability to choose whatever we feel like choosing but since he is God he already knows what we are going to choose to do. Thus, while he could force us to choose what we were going to choose anyway he has the ability to say "I did not make you choose that choice."


One could say that since they were still innocent they never even thought about it till afterwards. Else, you'll need to explain to me how come they had no kids till afterwards.
#210 to #193 - mrmound
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the problem i have with the idea of Adam and Eve not having sex until after they lost their innocence is that God didn't create sex as a dirty thing. He created it as a very beautiful thing for a married couple to enjoy. The way I would explain the no kids before the curse is that since humans were immortal God made the rate of conception extremely low to avoid rapid overpopulation. In the curse it said God increased the rate of conception, so it makes since that they didn't have kids beforehand because the rate of conception was be almost zero.
#168 to #126 - doctorknuckles
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Who made Satan?
#208 to #168 - anon
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God
#230 to #126 - Eox
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Well.. God can make them immortal again.
#471 to #230 - mrmound
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that's very true. and he will, when Jesus returns again.
#131 to #126 - anotherunusableacc
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Who put that apple in the tree anyway?
#154 to #131 - vanoreo
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never said apple

says fruit
#182 to #126 - nnever
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#135 to #126 - superjewcer
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Technically it would be Eve's fault then.
#142 to #135 - anon
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figures the woman ruins everything for us.
#141 to #135 - mrmound
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yes, i would agree. Adam was a part of it too though, because he also ate from the tree before God caught them. I guess we could put Satan down as a co conspirator though.
#153 to #126 - vanoreo
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why doesn't anyone get that the creation stories were myths created by the Hebrews in the Babylonian exile to show that God loves us?
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#441 - enmity
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jesus christ i'm farting so much that my room reeks of boiled egg left to rott
#500 to #441 - anon
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#302 - durkadurka
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mfw religion thread.