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#575 - garymuthafuknoak (02/15/2012) [-]
0 have killed people cause neither exist
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#367 - forevertrombone (02/15/2012) [-]
I don't understand!! If you don't like it, why do you talk about it all the time?!!
User avatar #375 to #367 - Kodakat (02/15/2012) [-]
to anger people like you.

#425 to #367 - highflyre (02/15/2012) [-]
Because you need to you were lied to...

#433 - applezachs (02/15/2012) [-]
i believe it was because god prevented Satan from killing anyone
User avatar #252 - austinsaget (02/15/2012) [-]
The devil punishes people for all eternity for being evil, and the devils the bad guy? seems legit.
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User avatar #258 to #257 - austinsaget (02/15/2012) [-]
Then how do you explain hell?
User avatar #260 to #258 - seniorawesomesauce ONLINE (02/15/2012) [-]
Satan suffers in Hell too, he doesn't rule anything.
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User avatar #332 to #298 - austinsaget (02/15/2012) [-]
Dear god what did i start.
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#369 - coppi (02/15/2012) [-]
just gonna leave this here
User avatar #397 to #369 - sweatymexican (02/15/2012) [-]
HAIL CATHULU!
#416 to #397 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
*Cthulhu
#312 - lcarnage (02/15/2012) [-]
**lcarnage rolled a random image posted in comment #547 at Valentines **
I'm an atheist because God made me one.

Problem Christians?
User avatar #322 to #312 - latinotornado (02/15/2012) [-]
u made urself one
#201 - griffkool (02/15/2012) [-]
Oh look another post about religion on the frontpage..
User avatar #103 - supamonkey (02/14/2012) [-]
plus, satan has all them sexy demonic bitches
User avatar #41 - Aiwatcher (02/14/2012) [-]
At this point, I think we're kicking a dead horse. Everyone who knows religion is crazy already does, and everybody who doesn't wants to wring our necks.
#617 - wishfullwalrus (02/15/2012) [-]
despite my atheism, i think posting arbitrary numbers doesn't really prove a point.
#554 - garbagebrain (02/15/2012) [-]
**garbagebrain rolled a random image posted in comment #290 at She's alive! ** my god.
#325 - wtfmoo (02/15/2012) [-]
nice try argumentf⁣ag
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#229 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
Well who gave the most life? :P
#304 to #229 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
So if I had 20 kids, then that means i can kill 20 people?
#241 to #229 - zimfizz (02/15/2012) [-]
Your mom...BOOM
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#129 to #50 - controlthechaos (02/14/2012) [-]
You like that ************ ?!? ******* love plants...
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#84 to #50 - anotherone (02/14/2012) [-]
my garden is the best
my garden is the best
#67 to #50 - biggrand (02/14/2012) [-]
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come at me bro
#51 to #50 - faithrider (02/14/2012) [-]
**faithrider rolled a random image posted in comment #157 at THE LZ! ** <<what i plant in my garden
User avatar #68 to #51 - therealpokemon (02/14/2012) [-]
And the Lord planted the seeds of jet engine technology. And it came to pass that whence the rains had departed out of the valley, that the trees did grow, and unto them was presented a bounty of A-10's.
And the Lord saw that it was good.
#126 - mrmound (02/14/2012) [-]
so, just for the record, technically Satan has killed every single person to have ever lived. Humans were immortal until Satan convinced Adam and Eve to eat from the forbidden tree.
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#127 to #126 - anon (02/14/2012) [-]
So, just for the record none of that ever actually happened.
#134 to #127 - mrmound (02/14/2012) [-]
who said anything about it being true?yes, I believe its true, but for the sake of this argument, lets look at the bible as a piece of literature. nothing more, nothing less. Satan is responsible for the death of every human, because he convinced Adam and Eve to eat the apple. Do you read it differently?
#151 to #134 - jedic (02/14/2012) [-]
Since we are talking in hypotheticals. Wouldn't God be responsible for the death of every human for creating us in the first place?
User avatar #176 to #151 - ZOOTAllures (02/15/2012) [-]
if god is omniscient then he knew eve was going to eat the apple, and would have known the devil would tempt her, in fact it would be part of his plan, as a being that knows everything cannot change their mind as to change ones mind requires you to have new information which can not happen if you know everything, so every death ever has all been part of his plan. therefore he is responsible for them all. God has killed everything that has ever died.
#179 to #176 - jedic (02/15/2012) [-]
Please read my comment below. It basically inferred that.
User avatar #186 to #179 - ZOOTAllures (02/15/2012) [-]
yeah sorry i read it after i posted mine, great minds think a like, although i am not religious
#197 to #186 - jedic (02/15/2012) [-]
I would consider myself more religious then not. I just like arguing because that is the best way (in my opinion) to hone your idea's and mind into an effective weapon when you need it for a serious situation.
User avatar #217 to #197 - ZOOTAllures (02/15/2012) [-]
i am an atheist, and am as anti-religion and spirituality as someone can be, it's not that i a not aware o the ideas and concepts, it's that i don't strive to believe i strive to know and to know you need reason and you need evidence and faith is the opposite to this. Faith is the idea that something is true without evidence or reason-faith is not knowledge it is just a thought
#165 to #151 - mrmound (02/15/2012) [-]
No, because he created us with the intention that we would live forever. So if Adam and Eve would have stayed away from that tree then they would still be alive. Although, God was the one to curse them with mortality when they did eat from the tree. So i guess my answer is no, He is not responsible simply because he created us; you could make the argument though that he is responsible because he was the one who cursed us.
#216 to #165 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
Erm, actually he didn't. There were two fruit bearing trees in the Garden, the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the fruit of Life which would make you immortal like God if eaten.
#171 to #165 - jedic (02/15/2012) [-]
But, if you believe in God the Father then you would have to admit that Adam and Eve eating the fruit, thus allowing them to give birth to the human race, was part of his plan. Thus his entire plan involved him waiting and seeing how long it took Adam and Eve to mess up their single commandment.

So, one could infer from this that God set Adam and Eve up to fail rather then just giving them a 'mortal' life right off the bat.

Note, I am not Anti-Christianity I just like to argue opposite points to see what type of defense people put up.
#185 to #171 - mrmound (02/15/2012) [-]
oh, i didn't see you as anti christian in the least. Playing devils advocate is always good.

anyways, what this argument is boiling down to is the classic paradox of God's plan vs. freewill. How is it possible that God is all knowing, and He gave us the ability to have free will. I can't answer that question.

Also, humans could give birth before God put the curse on them. The curse just made childbirth painful, and increased the odds of conception.
User avatar #206 to #185 - ZOOTAllures (02/15/2012) [-]
the reason why you can't answer that question is because it's impossible to. It's basically the question-how can two opposing things, that cancel each other out, occupy the same space at the same time- the answer is they can't.
God can not be all-knowing and and at the same time we have the power of free will, its logically and grammatically impossible. Its like asking, how can something be both light and dark at the same time, no its either light or dark.
#193 to #185 - jedic (02/15/2012) [-]
Actually. It's really easy to explain God's Plan vs. Freewill. We have the ability to choose whatever we feel like choosing but since he is God he already knows what we are going to choose to do. Thus, while he could force us to choose what we were going to choose anyway he has the ability to say &quot;I did not make you choose that choice.&quot;    
   
   
One could say that since they were still innocent they never even thought about it till afterwards. Else, you'll need to explain to me how come they had no kids till afterwards.
Actually. It's really easy to explain God's Plan vs. Freewill. We have the ability to choose whatever we feel like choosing but since he is God he already knows what we are going to choose to do. Thus, while he could force us to choose what we were going to choose anyway he has the ability to say "I did not make you choose that choice."


One could say that since they were still innocent they never even thought about it till afterwards. Else, you'll need to explain to me how come they had no kids till afterwards.
#210 to #193 - mrmound (02/15/2012) [-]
the problem i have with the idea of Adam and Eve not having sex until after they lost their innocence is that God didn't create sex as a dirty thing. He created it as a very beautiful thing for a married couple to enjoy. The way I would explain the no kids before the curse is that since humans were immortal God made the rate of conception extremely low to avoid rapid overpopulation. In the curse it said God increased the rate of conception, so it makes since that they didn't have kids beforehand because the rate of conception was be almost zero.
User avatar #168 to #126 - doctorknuckles (02/15/2012) [-]
Who made Satan?
#208 to #168 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
God
User avatar #230 to #126 - Eox (02/15/2012) [-]
Well.. God can make them immortal again.
#471 to #230 - mrmound (02/15/2012) [-]
that's very true. and he will, when Jesus returns again.
#131 to #126 - anotherunusableacc (02/14/2012) [-]
Who put that apple in the tree anyway?
User avatar #154 to #131 - vanoreo (02/14/2012) [-]
never said apple

says fruit
#182 to #126 - nnever ONLINE (02/15/2012) [-]
#135 to #126 - superjewcer (02/14/2012) [-]
Technically it would be Eve's fault then.
#142 to #135 - anon (02/14/2012) [-]
figures the woman ruins everything for us.
#141 to #135 - mrmound (02/14/2012) [-]
yes, i would agree. Adam was a part of it too though, because he also ate from the tree before God caught them. I guess we could put Satan down as a co conspirator though.
User avatar #153 to #126 - vanoreo (02/14/2012) [-]
why doesn't anyone get that the creation stories were myths created by the Hebrews in the Babylonian exile to show that God loves us?
#317 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
k bud if ur catholic thats kool but if ur hatin shut up cuz im catholic and god wasnt and is not a cold blodded killer the ppl he killed he killed them to use them as examples they were being retarded so he show the world if u do this this is what will happen and all that info comes from the old testament ( 1 of 2 parts of the bible) so what if all the old testament writers were retarded alright kid

#321 to #317 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
I hope that you're a troll and you don't actually insist on writing like that.
User avatar #326 to #317 - pedrobeard (02/15/2012) [-]
Burn in purgatory, she witch.
User avatar #328 to #317 - LOLinternet (02/15/2012) [-]
So what you're saying is that God is a tyrannical dictator who will execute his lowly subjects to show an example?
User avatar #337 to #328 - roaringfox (02/15/2012) [-]
he used to be then jesus strolled along
#333 to #328 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
no what im saying is that when u get 8 chances to get ur **** stright and you dont u deserve what u get god is just being fair and again maybe retarded writers

User avatar #344 to #333 - LOLinternet (02/15/2012) [-]
Oh, I think I understand.

Hello Good Sir, have you heard the glorious word of Evolution, our one and true founding creator?
#335 to #317 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
Oh god I am The English Language and what the hell did you type?
#345 to #335 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
sorry i have been told my writing is hard 2 understand
#339 to #317 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
So you're basically telling us that it's okay to kill so long as God kills. That generally goes along great with the question of "Is God good or is good God?" Because if you say that God is good, then you state that he made what is good and if he made good, then he made evil. Therefore, if God is just and good, why is he making evil things? Also, if you state that good is God, you say that there was something that came before God to predetermine what is good and what is bad, which means that something existed BEFORE God, which negates the whole Bible thing.

The argument of "God killed them to show an example" is hollow at best, and I wouldn't want to follow someone like that.
#368 to #339 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
and dude if you look outside just at nature and say damn that was made by accident bullcrap if was made by a genius god ok only somebody with his power could do that
#438 to #368 - durcwill (02/15/2012) [-]
statistically, if you have an unlimited amount of time and space, isnt it possible that life would be able to exist out of sheer probablility. think of it this way: it the possiblities are 1 in 100000000000000000, doesnt it mean once in that once in one hundred quadrillion planets would have life? which would be considerable amount of planets if there is unlimited time and space
User avatar #420 to #368 - lcarnage (02/15/2012) [-]
Right, only SOMEONE, that's the point. As far as we are aware (which is a flawed theory) at some point in time there was put simply a 'gas cloud' of matter and anti-matter. There just so happened to be a small percentage more of matter than there was anti-matter which created the big bang. You believe in miracles, so why not believe in that? That it wasn't an act of God, simply a miracle.
#434 to #420 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
i beleive in miracles when they are made for a purpose your crap with luck that made the big bang no god was there he just was ok thats something i cant fully explain but ill ask him when i meet him but he made everything
User avatar #437 to #434 - lcarnage (02/15/2012) [-]
How can you meet an incorporeal being? That doesn't make sense, and on the topic why is 'he' a he, as opposed to an 'it'.
#442 to #437 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
its just easier to call him him i just picture him that way but you could be right and ill ask him when i mett him when i go to heaven he will be there and if not i will ask jesus ok one of them will be there i guarantee it ok

#354 to #339 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
you are retarded first of all and no its not ok for me buts its ok for him because he is all and decides all ok and second god made good and evil to give the option so if you go to the "evil" side you wil be sorted and almost sayin im against you and if you dont repent ( ask forgiveness) have fun after bud

#364 to #354 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
So you're saying that God made Adam and Eve and put the apple there and basically predetermined Eve to fail and plummet us all into a spiral of hell. So we're the Sims. He knows what he's going to do with us and even made us a hell to throw us in when he feels like it?

Also, I didn't once call you names. I'd appreciate the same respect, sir =)
#385 to #364 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
alright no names but im kinda mad anyway he said ur choice knowin they would but what they did was monumental little things then asking for forgiveness is deiifferent and can be changed you choose wether you go to heaven or hell its all in your power and god doesnt have a certain line where u go off you die its a plan but his plans are changabl as long as you change it

#413 to #385 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
I don't really see that, though. One minute he determines our fate and we have a destiny, the next we don't. We either have a predetermined fate or we don't. If we don't, and he can't control us, then he isn't all powerful. If our fate is predetermined, and he makes people to be convicts, then it's not a very nice God.
#430 to #413 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
no he has a plan that we can chage if we do nothin then its pre determined but if we want 2 change it the you can thats how awesome he is

#440 to #430 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
Yes, but what about the children that get kidnapped, killed, mauled, or just die quickly? They're put here to live for a few fleeting seconds? It was his plan to have them here so that a creature or person could kill them?
#446 to #440 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
no he put them here to live as they were supposed to all the evil was not his intenton it was man being dumb and he cant change that only we can but some choose not to while others choose to do so and those people live it unsafe areas where the people how kidnapped them watever have turned to evil but god will not intervine its in our hands
#458 to #446 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
But he made evil. So in essence, by creating evil, he ended the life of that child.
#493 to #458 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
no he gave the chance for man 2 screw it up thus ending the childs life

User avatar #382 to #317 - breekachu (02/15/2012) [-]
dickbutt.
User avatar #323 to #317 - norbit (02/15/2012) [-]
he's not your bud, pal.
User avatar #324 to #317 - lcarnage (02/15/2012) [-]
You are a great representative for Christians everywhere, really.

Something I find so retarded is how we are supposedly pre-determined by God, then punished for our sins that he determined us to do. Well that doesn't really seem fair.
#338 to #324 - brodud (02/15/2012) [-]
thnx man and i know but the whole pre dertermined its luck of the draw i guess but i bet because god is god if you wanted 2 do something about it you could

#449 to #338 - durcwill (02/15/2012) [-]
i think that God wouldnt want someone to simply take someones word on something alone. I feel that He would want you to gain a full understanding of how you fit into the world before making a rash decision. Thats why I am educating myself without any kind of bias one way or another. Personally, I would rather believe that when you die you have an afterlife, but I wont distort facts to fit what I want. I explore Christianity trying to get a solid grasp on the universe because you cant discount either side
#331 to #317 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (02/15/2012) [-]
If you care to read the bible, god is quite... Questionable.
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them.
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place.
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you
Leviticus 20:10
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

#340 to #331 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
I think there's one where kids make fun of a guys haircut or lack of hair, and they get mauled by bears for it
pretty funny
User avatar #336 to #331 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (02/15/2012) [-]
Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
Timothy 6:1-2
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
Timothy 2:11-15
Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty.
According to the bible, genocide human sacrifice belittling women and slavery are all ok.
But then the bible we read is only half of what was in it 600 years ago.
#352 to #336 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
I wouldn't be surprised if the bible was edited in the many translations its gone through, or at least misread or mistranslated
Maybe the original bible was pretty pimp
User avatar #353 to #352 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (02/15/2012) [-]
even the number of the devil was misinterpreted, it is actually 616.
#356 to #353 - anon (02/15/2012) [-]
oh well, 666 sounds cooler
lol idk
do you have the excerpt of where it says that though out of curiosity?
User avatar #358 to #356 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (02/15/2012) [-]
not off the top of my head no
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