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User avatar #639 - Cambro (01/06/2012) [-]
i'm not trying to start a religious debate, but if atheists (and Christians alike) actually studied and not just read the Bible they would be blown away. It's filled with literary structures, refrains and thematic pillars. If anyone realized that, they would have to conclude that the writers of the Bible were either a. All geniuses or b. It's true. It is honestly mindblowing when you break it down with respect instead of treating it like a children's book. To quote C.S. Lewis, "if one cannot understand a book written for adults, they should probably not comment on it".
#658 to #639 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
Or C A COLLECTION of different things written by MULTIPLE PEOPLE that was recopied during the dark ages by a bunch of monks.
User avatar #679 to #658 - Cambro (01/06/2012) [-]
Actually, false. Historians used to believe this (and honestly they were biased for atheism anyway) until the dead sea scrolls were found. The dead sea scrolls was the old testament but a few books preserved in jars from before the Church's creation. The texts are 97% directly accurate to the same texts we have today. No changes. Multiple authors wrote the books and monks did copy them down, but they did so with near perfection. There is no change in the texts at all.
#726 to #679 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
Actually just looked this up and it's not true. Only parts of the dead Sea Scrolls are accurate to the bible such as issiah, but there are still another 65 books which the bible was composed of.

Even then, the book of issiah in itself was created by multiple authors. In otherwords, how you can argue that the bible was not composed or pieced together by multiple people escapes logic.
User avatar #745 to #726 - Cambro (01/06/2012) [-]
there is no evidence to support that Isaiah was written by multiple authors, there can be only mere speculation. Besides, he uses the same poetic style and shows a knowledge of the political ins of both Babylon and Israel. Only one man could know this, and it suggests one writer.
ALL the texts found in the Dead Sea scrolls are accurate to the Bible, it is just that the entire Bible is NOT in the Dead Sea Scrolls. I never claimed all the books were. In fact, that proves my point more. The newest books weren't in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which somewhat more validates their scholarly dating.
And again, I am not claiming multiple people crafted the Bible. I am saying that one force is behind it, because contradiction is free from the Bible and the same messages/themes/poetry/structures are correlated between many writers over thousands of years. I believe that strongly supports a divine guidance of the book.
User avatar #698 to #679 - msvegeta (01/06/2012) [-]
What about before the dead sea scrolls? You're implying nothing was manipulated while they were written.
User avatar #716 to #698 - Cambro (01/06/2012) [-]
I'm implying it because 1. The texts are historically accurate for all we know. Nothing has been found that contradicts the Bible historically, but there are things that correlate with it. 2. The Israelites had nothing to gain by tinkering with their own texts. Over half of the Old Testament is bad things happening to Israelites because they pissed God off. Why would someone edit it so they're blamed for the happenings that go on to them? 3. to quote a Jewish scholar whose name I do not remember, if the Torah were made up, we "sure could have invented a better story than the one presented".
User avatar #729 to #716 - msvegeta (01/06/2012) [-]
You present an interesting case... I have respect for your argument. However, the sophistication of the bible has nothing to do with whether or not everything in it actually happened. But that's my opinion, you're entitled to your own. It's too late at night for more debating :P
#696 to #679 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
You should source evidence of claims like this. Christian discoveries have gotten so shrouded in lies and fakes(noah's ark been "found" over 40 times) that searching for something that supports Christianity from a reliable website is actually difficult.
User avatar #700 to #639 - bfflaalz (01/06/2012) [-]
I've studied the bible briefly in theology class. I do enjoy the symbolism especially in Jesus' parables even though I'm an athiest. However, I wouldn't agree that the writers were geniuses and saying that the a work of literature is true and historically accurate based solely on the fact that it is well written is somewhat absurd.
User avatar #728 to #700 - Cambro (01/06/2012) [-]
there is much more than just symbolism. That is much to simple. Most of the Bible is structured in chiasms. Its a poetry in the form of a-b-c-a-b. Its a reflection, and the key point of the entire book or fragment of a book is in the center. EVERY book is structured masterfully in this way and I've even found a few for myself. I've only completely broken down one book. This poetry style is in every book over 2000 years. It never faded. That, too me, is interesting.
Secondly, the continued progressive correlation between words used in both the Old and New Testaments is a wonder. It seems every writer had a full scope of everything in the Bible's contents. This is even more amazing when you realize that books of the Bible were being written at the same time in different places. in otherwords, they used the same poetic phrases without having any prior knowledge of its match. The Bible is FILLED with these.
#547 - forevertrombone (01/06/2012) [-]
DURR HURR God doesn't exist because Science!!
#569 to #547 - destructioner (01/06/2012) [-]
HURR DURR God exists because bible!
#595 to #569 - palindromia (01/06/2012) [-]
lol that reminded me of this. both make me chuckle.
#598 to #595 - destructioner (01/06/2012) [-]
i find both funny
even though im atheist lol
User avatar #877 - xquadzcheckemx (01/06/2012) [-]
SIGH... I wish there were more open minded people who just accepted people's beliefs... I'm a christian who believes in God, but I also believe in science. WOW CRAZY I know.
#898 to #877 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
You don't believe in science. You KNOW the temperature at which water boils, you KNOW how cold Pluto is, you KNOW that if you keep eating food with high fat contents your arteries will clog and give you an eventual heart attack.

Science isn't beliefs. It's FACTS.

And if, perchance, something comes along that refutes science, proves it point with evidence, then science will accept that new evidence as correct.
User avatar #905 to #898 - xquadzcheckemx (01/06/2012) [-]
I smell an angry anti-religious anon
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#910 to #905 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
Damn dude you are really good at arguing. Teach me almighty religious man.
User avatar #927 to #910 - xquadzcheckemx (01/06/2012) [-]
Wow, "almighty religious man" - I'm not that religious. I just have an open mind and I think you should try that out for yourself. I was raised Christian, and I believe in god. I don't go door to door trying to convert people, I don't even go to church. Plus, if you actually READ my comment fully you'll see that I agree with what you're saying about science.
#940 to #927 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
*I didn't post second anon comment

And if you actually READ my comment, you would've seen "Science isn't beliefs. It's FACTS." Unfortunately, your post said you "believe" in science. What you MEANT to say was that you know the many great things that science has provided for mankind and will BELIEVE that it WILL provide the answer for everything, eventually.

Yes. Mean what you say, not what you want to say or want to mean.

Beliefs. Facts. Don't confuse the two.
#909 to #905 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
No, just someone who likes having his facts straight so he doesn't lie or manipulate others...that's why it's called "praying on feelings".
User avatar #930 to #909 - xquadzcheckemx (01/06/2012) [-]
I hate arrogant ************* . Believe in what you want and let others do so in peace.
User avatar #911 to #877 - humpingturtlelover (01/06/2012) [-]
Hey me too.
User avatar #895 to #877 - tuesdayscoming (01/06/2012) [-]
YOU TOO??
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#820 to #785 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
Don't bother dude. People on FunnyJunk (Well, the internet for this matter) will never understand what you're trying to say. They look at it as an attack on their belief.



"College students are the majority of atheists."
I wonder why......Education? No....couldn't be.
User avatar #880 to #820 - obbichan (01/06/2012) [-]
Its that kind of "don't bother" attitude that keeps us, people with the same views as redandwhitenorth unknown, and the stereotype of Atheists being the ******* anti-christ growing.
#888 to #880 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
Well keep it up man. I'm tired of this religious **** in the world.
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User avatar #884 to #832 - obbichan (01/06/2012) [-]
Sweet, another proud Canadian, eh!
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User avatar #804 to #785 - niburu (01/06/2012) [-]
KYON WHAT DID U DO!!!!!!!????
User avatar #873 to #785 - FatterKid (01/06/2012) [-]
Odd of you to post something smart on FJ. trust me it's wasted on these people. Reddit will actually take your point, and for the most part, enter a healthy and valid discussion on it.
#688 - NutHut (01/06/2012) [-]
Just a heads up to other people seeing this. Don't go down there, there's too much arguing.
User avatar #717 to #688 - dragontamers (01/06/2012) [-]
thanks for the advice it's a war zone down there
#775 to #717 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
says the guy calling the religous retards
User avatar #781 to #775 - dragontamers (01/06/2012) [-]
ah you've seen my work
User avatar #636 - gfourtolip (01/06/2012) [-]
Being Atheist is having a lack of belief of god, not hating christians.
User avatar #657 to #636 - pooflinger (01/06/2012) [-]
Actually thats being agnostic.

Atheists believe definitively that there is no god.

Inb4 red pinkies for the correction. Just helping the fella out. Hatersgonnahate.jpg
User avatar #660 to #657 - gfourtolip (01/06/2012) [-]
lack of beleif of god=believing there is no god
User avatar #686 to #657 - msvegeta (01/06/2012) [-]
I thought agnostics were like the open-minded atheists. Like, they think, 'sure, there could be a higher being out there.' While atheists are just like ' **** No!'
#709 to #686 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
Agnostics are okay.....kind of...
Being atheist though, I don't like their logic. It's kind of like the transition phase from a religion to atheism.
Still better than Christian/Baptist/Islam/Hindu/etc.
#600 - Benton (01/06/2012) [-]
Come on guys, we ALL know what the "gods" are..
User avatar #565 - shemillionaire (01/06/2012) [-]
******* atheists... Stop starting religious debates. If you hate them so much why do you love starting **** ?
#661 to #565 - patchesdacrazy (01/06/2012) [-]
Because we don't hate them nearly as much as the religious. ;)
User avatar #699 to #661 - shemillionaire (01/06/2012) [-]
I thought you guys get all upset when a little religion is shoved in your face, but yet you cant stop shoving your belief into our faces. Is it because its science and you are trying to enlighten us? Heres a lesson from the bible, treat others as you would like to be treated.
#760 to #699 - patchesdacrazy (01/06/2012) [-]
Well, I do it for the sheer enjoyment of debate. Honestly, I have no desire to "enlighten" others. Not really my thing. We both know we will never convince the other that our opinion is right. That's fun in faith!

However.

I do love to poke fun at things. And I find these debates to be a great source of entertainment.
User avatar #452 - LocoJoe (01/06/2012) [-]
"And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless."

Got to admit the Bible ha some bitching verses.
#297 - alfreditor (01/06/2012) [-]
ATHEISTS
User avatar #253 - snapplecap (01/06/2012) [-]
Today i was talking to my Dad about religion. He grew up going to a Catholic school, and was very religious, but has lightened up since me and my sister were born and he has been preoccupied with the family. I, as a child, never really went to church. My sister and i are both Lutheran, still Christian but a lot less strict I guess you could say. Well my sister and my father got in an argument because she believed that there was a Jesus, but that he never rose from the dead. I have similar views since i think more realistically than anyone in my family, but i kept to myself. My dad's only rebuttal to her my sister was this:

"You not believing in God makes me very disappointed. If that is how you feel then I will never get to see you in the afterlife."

And this got me thinking... i love my father very much, and what if there is an afterlife and i could spend all the time i wanted with him? But i was never religious, and i still find religion very difficult to believe in. And what if he makes it into "Heaven" and he is just waiting for his family to show up... and they never do. I don't care if this gets pinkieed down, but it really made me think.
User avatar #313 to #253 - joeylopezis (01/06/2012) [-]
I kind of always thought that you go to whatever afterlife you believe in. If there is an afterlife that is.
User avatar #925 to #886 - CRosBY (01/06/2012) [-]
Israel and Pakistan... that's all I gotta say.
User avatar #953 to #886 - slappadabassmon (01/06/2012) [-]
Yeah right, like the jews and the muslims will be conversing with each other...
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#644 - bennyboyy (01/06/2012) [-]
I see now there are alot of Christians on FunnyJunk
so why is it I see so many intolerant/racist people here
if you're going to be Christian don't do it for other people or out of fear of hell
do it because you think it's right, and practice what it preaches, which is tolerance and morality
I think everyone could do with a bit more of that
User avatar #659 to #644 - animalsgreenberet (01/06/2012) [-]
i'm christian and i would have to agree. it is about tolerance. which is why i hate it when people go around bashing others in the name of God. do we believe homosexuality is a sin? yes. but their sins are between them and God. we are not to decide who is right and who is wrong. i also hate racists. do i hate black people? no. do i hate the black people that go around accusing others of being racist and trying to get free things or get out of work, etc? yes.
#693 to #659 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
I am a Muslim and I agree with 100% of what you just said.
#526 - renderbroken (01/06/2012) [-]
I know alot of ppl are not going to understand this but the bible that "condemns" is the Old Testament. That bible is really from the old Hebrew Bible (Jew for ppl that do not know) ?They believe eye for an eye and \most still do. Present day Christian believe in Christ (I know crazy, right?) and Christ is from the New Testament. You will not find a vengeful God in the New Testament. It bugs me because Atheist ONLY quote the Old Testament. Also this is why we "Loosely" follow the word of the Old Testament as it doesn't exactly pertain to Christians as much as it did before Christ died for our sins. If you want to come at us Christians then come at us with something that is more relevant to us, not just convenient for you. U Mad? lol
#560 to #526 - kingoyaks (01/06/2012) [-]
I'm an Atheist. I quote New testament. Here, watch me:

Timothy 2:11-14: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

The Bible, yes the New Testament, condones sexism. It also condones slavery and worse.
User avatar #575 to #560 - shemillionaire (01/06/2012) [-]
You have a good argument, but. Slavery, sexism and that **** are not just from christians and that only stoped in the 1980s...
#587 to #575 - kingoyaks (01/06/2012) [-]
What's your point? We aren't claiming to be perfect. YOU are. Or rather, you are claiming that the Bible is perfect, the "Word of God". That is why Christianity is so dangerous. Any logical attack can be shrugged off with the simple defenses like "God works in mysterious ways", or "But the Bible said otherwise".
#543 to #526 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
Go read Mattew 5:17 ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".

Now.....was Jesus the New testament or old one? I forget these things.

+1 for Atheist knowing the bible more than Christians. Perhaps if you read your own book you'd know the new testaments just as stupid.
#554 to #543 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
You know how to pull up a webpage and recite the bible. Woop-de f***** doo
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#536 to #529 - renderbroken (01/06/2012) [-]
Lmao. Well who likes figs anyways
Lmao. Well who likes figs anyways
#455 - rednpinkfish (01/06/2012) [-]
The problem with atheists is that they take the bible too literally. They mostly refer to rules that were followed THEN but we're not expected to follow NOW.

Picture unrelated.
#458 to #455 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
why would it change lol? and how does "god" expect us to know they did
#469 to #458 - rednpinkfish (01/06/2012) [-]
Because he created us to be smart and adaptive. Like for example there is one verse that is demeaning towards women. Basically it's saying they can't show their face and partake in activities men are allowed to do. It's obvious that for many years people did follow this rule seeing as how women were mistreated up until the late 20th century. Though it's apparent that we shouldn't have taken everything in the bible literally.
#484 to #469 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
well. Here's how i think of it, when you die your brain stops working. Your brain is what make you think. You cannot think without a brain. I do wish i could believe in god but just thinking about that makes me not.
#495 to #484 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
Nothing happens after death because when I ask they dead what happens they say nothing. Hahahahah
#477 to #469 - hoobob (01/06/2012) [-]
True true, I concede . I don't feel like getting into a religious fight today.
#510 to #455 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
The problem with Christians is that they think this makes sense.

Yes, the all powerful creator of the universe let the book on him be written in such a way that people wouldn't know what to take literally and what not to. Even Christians disagree what happened and what's just a story.

Ohh Jesus dying and coming back to life and **** , and walking on water, that's all LITERAL, but that part about the earth flooding or the garden of Eden, well that's just a metaphor.

BTW the problem is the rules themselves. The idea that a ******* GOD would make ANYONE at ANYTIME follow rules like making women on their periods leave town for a couple of days is the problem.
User avatar #518 to #455 - minkatte (01/06/2012) [-]
Why do you get to pick and chose what to take literally.
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#461 to #455 - hoobob (01/06/2012) [-]
I don't understand how someone can take "rules" from their religion say, "Follow them," at one point in time, and then years down the line say, "Now stop doing it."
Just hardens my resolve to not follow a religion
If you got rules, you stick to them no matter what. You're "God" made your "morals" who are you as human to change them because you feel like it?


#471 to #461 - rednpinkfish (01/06/2012) [-]
You have to take into account that most of these rules were made in the old testament. The same rules that tell us to make animal sacrifices. You don't see us making those anymore.
#523 to #461 - Rascal (01/06/2012) [-]
old testament was overwritten by the new testament.

thats why its called the new testament and not just an addon to the old one.

all the rules in the old testament are no longer needed to be followed since the new testament happened with jesus's appearance and whatnot.
User avatar #513 to #461 - OuterworldKing (01/06/2012) [-]
Then they should amend the bible so that the rules deemed "archaic" are removed and possible replaced with more modern ones.
Oh wait, that is going against god and all that "he" is.
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User avatar #192 - coppi (01/06/2012) [-]
i know religions better then anyone who follows them and i hate all religions equally... im not a racist
User avatar #210 to #205 - coppi (01/06/2012) [-]
my lack of commas has made my comment very hard to understand. but im to damn lazy to fix it
User avatar #212 to #210 - mcpadlock (01/06/2012) [-]
Meg
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