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User avatar #270 - themightybroham (10/15/2011) [-]
Quick question, isn't Leviticus "obsolete" for Christians anyways? I thought that Jesus dying was supposed to mean that the people were freed from all those petty things like not eating pork or shellfish? (Technically gay marriage would still be banned for Jews but not for Christians, right?)

Just a curious person who isn't from a Christian family.
#283 to #270 - thevenom (10/15/2011) [-]
Well, it's still against homosexuality, but most of the dietary restrictions are because those foods are hard to preserve, and in the desert they shouldnt keep those things, because they'll go bad and make people sick, things like that, which over time became tradition, and they followed it even though it didn't apply anymore. Most the what Jesus says and does in the New Testament is basically breaking apart those pointless traditions, unfortunately, the Catholic church (and many legalists) reinstated many of those traditions. :\ But as a general rule, the obscurities of religion were nullified, but the major rules still apply.
User avatar #292 to #283 - themightybroham (10/15/2011) [-]
But as discussed below, what decides major? Something like this would seem to be in the eye of the beholder to me (open to interpretation, no right or wrong answer).
#300 to #292 - thevenom (10/15/2011) [-]
Indeed. Which is much of why there's so many different denominations in religion. They tend to have different interpretations. The one thing I don't like though is when they get mad at each other over their differences. which happens way to much. :\ But all in all, we will never know until we know, but it doesn't hurt to have faith. :)
#304 to #300 - thevenom (10/15/2011) [-]
Also, it says (cant remember the scripture reference) that all things are permissible, but not all things are necessarily benefincial. IE, God will forgive you no matter what you do/have done, but that doesn't free you from the consequences of your actions.
User avatar #294 to #270 - thetowelboy (10/15/2011) [-]
excuse me if someone else already answered sufficiently (I'm not reading those comments, tl;dr), but in the new testament it says to take the old testament as guidelines but not as straight up rules. So the rules that are covered in the old testament and not the new are things that aren't encouraged but aren't completely horrible. However, homosexuality is covered in the new testament multiple times as well, making it off limits to Christians.
User avatar #298 to #294 - themightybroham (10/15/2011) [-]
No one below said it was in the new testament; do you, by any chance, have the lines of an example at hand?
User avatar #306 to #298 - thetowelboy (10/15/2011) [-]
The new testament speaks out multiple times, mostly in Romans and (I think) perhaps once in revelations when talking about the sins of man.
Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

This is just the first one I found flipping through the bible I had closest to me, as you can tell being it's in the first chapter of Romans
User avatar #324 to #306 - themightybroham (10/15/2011) [-]
Okay, the Christian faith clearly calls gay marriage a sin. Now then, separation of church and state. "the Supreme Court held that the First Amendment establishment clause [separation of church and state] was fully applicable to the state governments". Knowing this, shouldn't all states allow gays to marry, and that gay marriage should only be banned if a federal decree is made?
User avatar #328 to #324 - thetowelboy (10/15/2011) [-]
Even as a Conservative Christian I completely agree, there is absolutely no good political reason (at least in my opinion) that gays shouldn't be able to get married.
#301 to #298 - thevenom (10/15/2011) [-]
John says that marriage is between a man and a woman, that's the only one I know of. In the New Testament that is.
#305 to #270 - atrocitustheking (10/15/2011) [-]
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A good question, unfortunately, there isn't an easy or short explanation and answer.
It really depends on who you ask and from what denomination of Christianity they're from.

The phrase often used to say that the Old Testament laws are no longer strictly neccesary is in Acts (I think, memory's a bit sketchy), where one of the disciples has a dream (or was it a legitimate vision? I forget...) where a large cloth descends, and upon it lay every animal declared "unclean" by the OT, and a voice from Heaven saying "take & eat".

It was declared in the NT that (and this is believed to also refer to the dietary laws) that it is not what you put into your mouth that corrupts you, but what comes out of your body (this is understood to mean your words & actions are what make you a bad or good person).

Hopefully, that helps to answer your question.
User avatar #329 to #270 - illegalartist (10/15/2011) [-]
reading this thread has taught me that religion is balls.
#363 to #329 - atrocitustheking (10/15/2011) [-]
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Really? So this one commentary on Christianity has convinced you that every brand of faith and/or spirituality is negative?
Do you really think all religions are the same, that they can be dismissed so simply?

This constant insinuation that human spirituality and the search for the Divine or a form of higher meaning is ultimately just ignorant and weak-minded?
Even I'm tired of it. Look, I am not religious by any means, but most of my friends are, and many of them can run intellectual circles around me.

Religion for all its faults, has also done a great deal of good, and religion has produced many of the greatest works of art (especially literature) on Earth. I would be a very sad panda distraught were we somehow robbed of the Divine Comedy, the Mahabharata, or the Elder & Younger Edda (from whence we get our knowledge of Norse mythology).

You don't have to agree with them, I certainly don't, but for goodness sake, your comment, if true, shows that you were ready and willing to waive any consideration of a theistic worldview, and that you were looking for an excuse that would satisfy.
That way you wouldn't have to challenge your prejudices, you could pin all the blame upon the subject in question. I'm sorry, but rhetorically, intellectually, logically, ethically, and maturely, that's. ******* . ******** .
Dismiss religion, fine, but don't pretend you ever gave it a chance, or that this single comment can somehow trump every priest, prophet, shaman, or holy man that ever lived.
#365 to #363 - illegalartist (10/15/2011) [-]
YOUR WROTE FOUR ******* PARAGRAPHS on the premise that i derived all my spiritual knowledge fromt this one thread. I thought that my comment was so absurd that it would be impossible to take it seriously but you have proved the opposite.

I HAVE studied every major religion there is and many of the minor ones. My grandmother is catholic, my mother is budhist, my aunt is protestant, many of my best friends are hindus and muslims, and i believe my father to be baptist. All in all ive learned a great deal about religion and all of it has lead me to the conclusion that RELIGION is not responsible for any good or any bad. MAN IS RESPONSIBLE. MAN WROTE THE BOOKS YOU MENTIONED. MAN LAUNCHED HOLY WARS. The thing about religion is that, fundametally, every major religion teaches basic moral values. This is great, but I don't need a church or a holy man to tell me how to be ethical. Religion is fundamentally a means for controlling the people. It has the potential to be the equivalent of an absolute sovereign.

But honestly I don't think you cared about any of that when you commented. If youre as intelligent as you attempted to make yourself appear than you would have recognized that I was obviously kidding. Who the **** makes serious judgements based on funny junk comment threads?
#367 to #365 - atrocitustheking (10/15/2011) [-]
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Far too many people have said your words verbatim, but mean them utterly.

Tone and implication is difficult to discern via text.
My point about religion not being a sign of ignorance remains.
All in all, no I'm not mad, and you're probably right about one thing, there likely was some intellectual snobbery going on, but my words are nonetheless a true gauge of my current opinions.

I get rather exasperated with atheists & agnostics who are so very rude to those who have faith. Why can we not leave one another alone on the issue?

I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree.
Refer to the image, and let me state that I wasn't trying to start a flame war. I simply, like you, have strong opinions regarding the subject matter.
User avatar #371 to #367 - illegalartist (10/15/2011) [-]
Ok, then lets leave it at that.
User avatar #364 to #363 - atrocitustheking (10/15/2011) [-]
Addendum:
So the crude vulgar understanding of a single verse in the Old Testament (and only in one translation, no doubt) automatically entitles you to waive any consideration of the entire 2,000+ years of Christian theology?
And then you go and take it further to dismiss all other religions, even those that are not part of the Abrahamic family; includes Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, as well as any sub-divisions within those three?
Of course, this one idiot's comment, which again, only addresses the Bible from a literalist understanding, allows you to somehow ignore the oh, 5000+ year history of Hinduism too, despite the fact that the latter was ancient when Christianity came onto the scene? Every guru from every Yoga (discipline) and every line of the Vedas?
And this one FJ thread has dismissed every single observation in the 300+ tomes that make up the disparate scriptures of Buddhism's various forms?

Your pimp hand kung fu is no match logic is, shall we say " ****** in great magnitude"?
User avatar #366 to #364 - illegalartist (10/15/2011) [-]
Refer to above comment
User avatar #274 to #270 - tombombadil (10/15/2011) [-]
Most of the old testament is null and void due to the new testament. There are a lot of basic lessons that still apply, you know, ten commandments type stuff; for the most part though, a lot of the old rules don't apply anymore. Aside from that whole "murder and adultery" thing. That still applies.
User avatar #275 to #274 - themightybroham (10/15/2011) [-]
So couldn't one argue that that verse is something that doesn't apply anymore?
User avatar #278 to #275 - tombombadil (10/15/2011) [-]
Correct, sir. The parts of the bible people often quote as evidence of how evil God is are now quite useless, since the New Testament clearly points out that God got way more relaxed after Jesus. Essentially, the Gospel states that sacrifice was no longer needed to sate God's anger for your sins and that God was going to be super chill about everything.
#281 to #278 - themightybroham (10/15/2011) [-]
Knowledge thumb.  
  
Gif related.
Knowledge thumb.

Gif related.
User avatar #282 to #281 - tombombadil (10/15/2011) [-]
thumb for being all bueno about the topic and not being like "religion is stupid, lol"
User avatar #261 - thunderkrux (10/15/2011) [-]
I need to write this down. It's a great counter-arguement
#215 - LiteninStruckTower **User deleted account** (10/15/2011) [-]
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
- Mohandas Gandhi

Nuff said
#119 - SomeRandomPerson (10/15/2011) [-]
I believe in right and wrong. Morals essentially. God might exist and he might not, but unless he was to show himself to me then i'm just gonna go about life. Religion to me is too constricting on life. Its too contradictory to follow wholeheartedly. The picture shows the results of a project which showed that there were over 400 contradictions in the bible. I'm not being biased, im fairly sure that there are just as many contradictions in the Qur'an and Torah. I reccomend that you open in the pic in a new tab rather then enlarging it. Well that's my opinion out there, i hope that there are others who feel the same.
#118 - indeedsir (10/15/2011) [-]
*******		 hero
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User avatar #87 - sirbonzaiatak (10/15/2011) [-]
No one gives a **** about your views on religion guys. So shut the **** up and enjoy the humor of this content.
#334 - FourchansChosenone (10/15/2011) [-]
But judging from peoples comments i agree on what was said
But judging from peoples comments i agree on what was said
#266 - dungledoo (10/15/2011) [-]
i'm a person of faith, but not of religion.. i mean, i actually believe religion is a form of evil. think about it, the first/biggest sin of man is to control his neighbor, right? so what's a religion? it's a structure of control which faithful can form their faith into a social "perfection", or however you want to word it. it's man-made, obviously, so really what it really seems to be is just a way for whoever created it to control his faithful neighbors... hence, it's sinful. ironic, huh? I also hate it when religious people say "God hates gay people" when really He hates their homosexuality, not the actual people, you know? cause homosexuality is supposedly a sin, but humans are born into sin, and God hates peoples' sins and loves them, so He really DOES love everyone. All races, sexes, sexualities, and beliefs.. so basically when you say "homosexuality is a sin", it's a duh, cause pretty much everything's a sin, you know? that's why there was that Jesus guy.

I also hate it when people shove their beliefs in other people's faces.. even when it's my own i think it's stupid... it's like, come on, man.. grow up...

inb4 bible fight
#284 to #266 - ubercripple (10/15/2011) [-]
I'm happy to see a rational person among the comments. Personally, I'm not of faith, and don't agree with organized religion, but just believe in morality. It seems like early religions were trying to be just a moral system, with stories to explain them, but then cultural norms of the time became bonded to the stories, resulting in misinterpretations later.   
  
Also, pic somewhat related.
I'm happy to see a rational person among the comments. Personally, I'm not of faith, and don't agree with organized religion, but just believe in morality. It seems like early religions were trying to be just a moral system, with stories to explain them, but then cultural norms of the time became bonded to the stories, resulting in misinterpretations later.

Also, pic somewhat related.
User avatar #372 to #284 - dungledoo (10/15/2011) [-]
yeah! i totally agree! almost the whole bible is misunderstood because people cling to it too much because their pastor tells them to!

and that pic made my pope myself laughing
#318 to #266 - iamjacksaccount (10/15/2011) [-]
you sir some just dropped some major logic like a boss and wish to shake your hand.
#373 to #318 - dungledoo (10/15/2011) [-]
s'what i does
s'what i does
#258 - owlssss (10/15/2011) [-]
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User avatar #232 - jesustwoque (10/15/2011) [-]
God is an alien.
so to put it bluntly, who gives a **** ?
User avatar #216 - krispybananaz (10/15/2011) [-]
im christian and i dont give a **** about homosexuality, if its in private. do whatever the **** you want to do. none of anyone elses buisness. its idiots like that and like the ones that say pooping is a sin that make us regular christians look bad to other religions. i hate it so much. those dumbasses make us look all uptight and snobby. i have a firm philosiphy beleive in what you want and love what you want.
User avatar #220 to #216 - silkysmoothnuts (10/15/2011) [-]
but, everybody that is a christian is stupid and ignorant, thats why we hate them.
User avatar #229 to #220 - krispybananaz (10/15/2011) [-]
sounds like your a little stupid and ignorant yourself my friend
#252 to #229 - lordbuttersi (10/15/2011) [-]
Arrogant? Yes. Ignorant? No.

Religion is delusion. There is just no way around this, and no point in softening the blow. There is literally no evidence that god exists. None. There is nothing anywhere in the universe that requires a god to function, or in fact even benefits from one.

Therefore, belief in god is irrational. Theists actively ignore reason and logic. If they did so with any irrational belief other than god, we would call them insane. But because religion is so entrenched in society, we permit this one specific delusion.

If you stand on a sidewalk yelling that alien reptiles are impersonating world leaders, you get called a lunatic. If you do the same thing but say something about Jesus, you get called an evangelist. The two theories have exactly the same factual backing yet we give one special permission to exist.

If you believe in magic, you are delusional. No exceptions.
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#248 to #236 - anon (10/15/2011) [-]
Stupid and ignorant for being an ass showing your hatred to christian without any reason what so ever.
User avatar #231 to #220 - ButtonFly ONLINE (10/15/2011) [-]
Wow...
User avatar #240 to #216 - viresdeus (10/15/2011) [-]
You, sir, are an outstanding member of the religious demographic and I applaud you.
User avatar #185 - sosyourmom (10/15/2011) [-]
the porn i had just had a lesbian named lacey in it with her mom telling her being gay is bad...
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#145 - cyberflame (10/15/2011) [-]
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This is my religion
#161 to #145 - improbablyyourdad (10/15/2011) [-]
Didn't know gay was a religion,
#90 - ninjastarthrow (10/15/2011) [-]
i dont believe in religion, religion is corrupted and i dont want it corrupting my mind or the minds of my family. if youre a guy and you want to marry another guy its none of my buisniss, i know my sexualality (im straight btw) but just as long as another guy is hitting on me then its a problem
i dont believe in religion, religion is corrupted and i dont want it corrupting my mind or the minds of my family. if youre a guy and you want to marry another guy its none of my buisniss, i know my sexualality (im straight btw) but just as long as another guy is hitting on me then its a problem
User avatar #96 to #90 - slenderize (10/15/2011) [-]
i believe in christianity, but we all know the bible was written by man....so who's rules are they??
User avatar #129 to #96 - airrick (10/15/2011) [-]
not really
remember, in the Old Testament God was more... connected, I guess, with the believers. After Christ came and died, it was either journals or vision-dreams.
User avatar #132 to #129 - slenderize (10/15/2011) [-]
and the bible was written 300 years after Jesus's ascension.....and the old testament was still written by man. sooooooo yeahhhhhhhh
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User avatar #140 to #135 - airrick (10/15/2011) [-]
However, man didn't change what they heard God tell them to write: the writers were simply mediums for writing.
The only time God actually wrote something was the 10 Commandments.

No, I don't think you understand the culture back then.
Now we have mass print and the internet and such, but back then writing was known only to the highly educated, so their only way to share stories was verbally.
The spent large amounts of time memorizing everything, and since they believed that it was God's word, they tried even harder, obviously.
Also, if one of them ever mixed up a detail or whatever, the rest of their community was there to correct them.
User avatar #149 to #140 - slenderize (10/15/2011) [-]
right and we still started having wars and killing people because it says, "They commit this sin, stone em." one thing i dont like about the bible. Its got morals and immorals jumbled up together and apperantly people cant tell them apart. talk about a dictatorship.
User avatar #190 to #149 - airrick (10/15/2011) [-]
Well we didn't start our wars because of punishment and such, and we don't need to stone anyone anymore since Jesus died on the cross....

Also, a major point of that is that God has the right to decide whether someone should die and whatnot (at least, that's what Christians believe), not people
User avatar #102 to #96 - ninjastarthrow (10/15/2011) [-]
i could probably care less
User avatar #105 to #102 - slenderize (10/15/2011) [-]
My thoughts exactly
#61 - minikeith (10/15/2011) [-]
the bible is a bunch of ******** made by the roman government to subdue revolts. jesus never existed. thats why the bible is just the old testimant but then people believed it on accedent so they made the new ones. youre all ******* stupid
#67 to #61 - defender (10/15/2011) [-]
wrong you are
#72 to #67 - minikeith (10/15/2011) [-]
**** you you just ignaNT
User avatar #75 to #72 - defender (10/15/2011) [-]
ignaNT?
#77 to #75 - minikeith (10/15/2011) [-]
yes you stupid ****** lover
User avatar #78 to #77 - defender (10/15/2011) [-]
do you mean ignorant
User avatar #81 to #79 - defender (10/15/2011) [-]
why are you angry all I did was help you spell
#85 to #81 - minikeith (10/15/2011) [-]
you dont correct gods choosen people
#88 to #85 - defender (10/15/2011) [-]
thanks for saying that now this image has some reference
User avatar #120 to #88 - girlygirlygirl (10/15/2011) [-]
dude, I am very doubtful that this is Jewish... and as a Jew... i think this pic is disgusting...ill prob get thumbs down for stating my opinion...but oh well
#76 to #61 - CJT (10/15/2011) [-]
Missing quite a few apostrophe's there and you're spelling is a little atrocious.

Not trying to be a grammar Nazi, but I can't take you seriously.
User avatar #99 to #61 - winterfrost (10/15/2011) [-]
I'm afraid you are wrong dear friend. Jesus did exist, and so did John. Watch the History channel for once and you might understand what i am talking about.
Now, shut the **** up and enjoy the internet! :3
#103 to #99 - minikeith (10/15/2011) [-]
theres no proof you purple ******
#111 to #103 - winterfrost (10/15/2011) [-]
Whoa, man. calm down...calm down..don't get a big dick..  
And there is proof, you frog stained sperm puffer. :3  
You are probably a little kid, who gets on the internet just to yell at people, swearing, being racist and what not...I know how you feel.. Now, calm down..calm down.  
You at least need the I.Q. of over 90 to understand that He and John did exist. E.G. footprints, drawings. Hell, Archaeologists went into Johns tomb and saw his footprint and the painting of what to be Jesus.  
Now, i'm not one of those Hardcore christian people who go around shoving the bible down peoples throat, but if you want someone to rag on. Go hate on the Mormons, those bastards are 			******		 up in the brain.
Whoa, man. calm down...calm down..don't get a big dick..
And there is proof, you frog stained sperm puffer. :3
You are probably a little kid, who gets on the internet just to yell at people, swearing, being racist and what not...I know how you feel.. Now, calm down..calm down.
You at least need the I.Q. of over 90 to understand that He and John did exist. E.G. footprints, drawings. Hell, Archaeologists went into Johns tomb and saw his footprint and the painting of what to be Jesus.
Now, i'm not one of those Hardcore christian people who go around shoving the bible down peoples throat, but if you want someone to rag on. Go hate on the Mormons, those bastards are ****** up in the brain.
User avatar #131 to #111 - airrick (10/15/2011) [-]
lol its not the hardcore christians who shove the bible down ppl's throats: it's the mislead

yes, I don't even know from where Mormons got their beliefs. friggin wack as hell.
#115 to #111 - minikeith (10/15/2011) [-]
a ******* painting isnt proof you **** coverd monkey. i derw a painting of myself raping a bear. ive never done that. only small woodland creatures.
User avatar #134 to #115 - airrick (10/15/2011) [-]
You're actually retarded.
User avatar #116 to #115 - winterfrost (10/15/2011) [-]
Y u mad tho?
#71 to #61 - Benjina (10/15/2011) [-]
Alternatively, you could provide a bit more substance with your argument instead of just swearing a lot and getting a bit grumpy. I'm not for the bible either, but your argument is what makes atheists the world over look like giant ass holes.
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