New Xbox.. That is literally what it's going to be called if you didn't know. Also, this is based merely on what I've heard through rants and the like.. Alright Xbox one Microsoft

New Xbox.

New Xbox.. That is literally what it's going to be called if you didn't know. Also, this is based merely on what I've heard through rants and the like.. Alright

That is literally what it's going to be called if you didn't know. Also, this is based merely on what I've heard through rants and the like.

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#3 - toastableduckling (05/22/2013) [-]
May someone explain the "Always online and Used Game fee" for me?
#167 to #3 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
You can't play games if you don't have internet connection. And if you buy a used game, you have to pay 10 dollars to "activate" it for your system to play the disk.
User avatar #6 to #3 - jasonmaki (05/22/2013) [-]
neither of those are true it was a rumor someone made up, xbox support team had a tweet saying that it was not true
User avatar #12 to #6 - skeetonamber (05/22/2013) [-]
don't know why you're being thumbed down, i'm also pretty sure it's a rumor
User avatar #28 to #6 - Maroon (05/22/2013) [-]
I dunno, I personally think it was gonna be a thing then they quickly took it back and claimed a rumor because of all the negative criticism.
#4 to #3 - anon (05/22/2013) [-]
The always online thing isn't true, at least not completely. Games will require a one-time connection before you can start playing them, and they say the console itself will need to connect to the internet once a day. As for the used game fee, it's simple. You'll have to pay a little extra if you wanna play a used game in your console, even if it's borrowed from a friend.
#5 to #4 - toastableduckling (05/22/2013) [-]
Wow that sounds horrible.
#186 to #5 - therealsuperderpy ONLINE (05/23/2013) [-]
This image has expired
It's also not real.
#68 to #4 - anon (05/22/2013) [-]
A little extra being the full price.
#160 to #68 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
It isn't the full price. I have no idea where this rumour started. Probably Sony fanboys to be honest.
#166 to #160 - SunilCCXXXVII **User deleted account** (05/23/2013) [-]
Stop hitting yourself
Stop hitting yourself
#215 to #166 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
...why would put that gif up?....i hated that part of the movie when i was a kid
#270 to #215 - SunilCCXXXVII **User deleted account** (05/23/2013) [-]
Have this.
Have this.
#90 to #4 - anon (05/22/2013) [-]
the always on isnt a one time thing its every 24h.
User avatar #67 to #4 - Noblevillain (05/22/2013) [-]
Its a one time fee to play a used game correct? Cause i see it as one of two ways, the fee is to transfer over the license of the disk to the new system, or its just a fee for using a used game. if so then it might actually be cheaper, you and a friend rotate between buying the game and paying the one time fee.
#162 to #67 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
Or you could be the game once and not have to pay any fee later
User avatar #165 to #162 - ilovehitler (05/23/2013) [-]
what if I don't want to be the game?
User avatar #15 to #4 - JariWeis ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
False, the official Xbox twitter account already stated this was not true.
User avatar #25 to #15 - nitroxiii (05/22/2013) [-]
False, the official Xbox twitter account stated that you won't have to pay if you are signed in on YOUR profile, it says nothing about if you want to play it on other accounts.

This is mostly SPECULATION, we know for sure if you lend it to a friend they can play it for free if you let them SIGN IN TO XBOX LIVE on YOUR profile...I'm going to ASSUME, (Keyword's here ASSUME and SPECULATE), that you can only be signed in to Xbox Live on one Xbox at a time (it would cause issues otherwise as far as I can imagine). So basically if you lend it to him, and he wants to play it, you can't play games online while he plays it, which is rather inconvenient still and rather dumb, but we won't know for sure until ALL the details are released, but I'm not getting my hopes up, I'm pretty sure Microsoft is going to piss everyone off and absolutely **** their standing in the gaming industry.
User avatar #79 to #25 - dayasalion (05/22/2013) [-]
has this been proven as well? can i get a source?
User avatar #181 to #79 - thewaronbeingcool (05/23/2013) [-]
Major Nelson said so on his blog.
User avatar #118 to #105 - dayasalion (05/22/2013) [-]
i didn't see anything on there that stated what you said.
User avatar #11 to #4 - pooflinger (05/22/2013) [-]
I thought there was no penalty for used games?
User avatar #37 - sannukas (05/22/2013) [-]
Xbox isn't just for gamers alot of pepole use it as a media center, that's why the Xbox one has so many TV **** . But it's sad that most of the features that they showed will only work in 'murica.
User avatar #39 to #37 - keiishiyama (05/22/2013) [-]
Most of the features work in America only, you have to always be online, you have to pay full price even for a game you borrowed, and there were maybe twenty minutes of gaming to show.

Even though it's a media center, I'm sure the primary demographic is the gaming one. When you alienate the base that much, it won't end well.
User avatar #16 - JariWeis ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
The OFFICIAL XBOX TWITTER has already stated that there will be NO USED GAME FEE!
User avatar #66 to #16 - thebtardist (05/22/2013) [-]
allah akbah
User avatar #22 to #16 - azraelthemage (05/22/2013) [-]
>Implying twitter is a trusted way to release information.
User avatar #42 to #22 - JariWeis ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
Official Twitters? Yes.
User avatar #26 to #16 - Maroon (05/22/2013) [-]
There was gonna be a used game fee? How exactly would that work and who in their right mind would even think people would buy a system that did that?
User avatar #89 to #26 - JariWeis ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]

Origin the console?
#107 to #26 - firesky (05/22/2013) [-]
They games come with a one time code which is connected to your Live-Account like with Steam or Origin.
You can sell the game and the code, but the buyer has to pay a fee to change it to his account.
User avatar #213 to #107 - poniesareghey (05/23/2013) [-]
that's still ******* ****
#23 to #16 - guruxz (05/22/2013) [-]
'bout ******* time, it takes 2 minutes of not money grubbing and asking what gamers want to think ohh maybe gamers paying extra for games they have already bought is a bad idea.
#140 - bighairyfart (05/22/2013) [-]
I swear, Nintendo Is the only ******* company that actually listens to their fans anymore. Don't get me wrong, I like MS, but lately they have done absolutely NOTHING that addresses the complaints of the masses. Nintendo for life.
User avatar #144 to #140 - deathcampforjewtie (05/22/2013) [-]
I've made plans to sell my 360 and my PS3 in a month, and all my games with them, and after that I'm either going full-on classic Nintendo, buying a Wii, or kicking my gaming habit. I'm leaning towards the Wii.
User avatar #146 to #144 - bighairyfart (05/22/2013) [-]
I usually sell my **** as soon as I finish it. I plan on saving a ******* of money this summer to buy the ******** of 3DS stuff coming out this year. And later, when I get a job, I will be saving up for a Wii U. Wind Waker in HD... my life is complete. Also, I HIGHLY recommend buying a Wii if you haven't played on one yet, there are so many amazing games: TLoz: Twilight Princess, TLoZ: Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy 1&2, Smash Bros. Brawl. The list goes on.
User avatar #163 to #146 - Tyranitar (05/23/2013) [-]
Wind Waker HD is the only thing I pulled out of that. Please, I must hear more.
User avatar #272 to #163 - bighairyfart (05/23/2013) [-]
Well, there's going to be a new Zelda in HD for the Wii U. New Super Mario Bros. U looks good, as well as Super Luigi U. Nintendo Land. Super Smash Bros. There's plenty more, but for whatever reason my brain is not functioning properly today.
User avatar #149 to #146 - deathcampforjewtie (05/22/2013) [-]
I have my old GameCube, N64, My old SNES and NES, every Gameboy model they've made, a DS(I bit the bullet), a DSi, and a 3DS, I just didn't have a Wii. Nintendo started my life as a gamer, and they're the only company that gives a **** about anything that isn't green with a picture of a president on it. Even Sony were pricks about getting my PS3 fixed, I has to buy a new one.
#151 to #149 - bighairyfart (05/23/2013) [-]
That's quite a collection. I only ever had a GC, Wii, GBA, DS Lite(broken), & 3DS. I nearly missed out on the classics, but luckily I found emulators.
User avatar #154 to #151 - deathcampforjewtie (05/23/2013) [-]
I don't touch anything older than the N64, I refuse, even though I check once every few months to make sure they work. I emulate the classics as well, I'm actually playing Pokémon Emerald on my phone as we speak. I just never throw away game consoles, I've sold a few, like my PS1, but I've hung on to a lot of them, and I'm glad.
User avatar #95 - MythBuster (05/22/2013) [-]
They had that conference so that they could focus entirely on the games at e3.. Quit ******* bitching, holy **** you guy are a bunch of whiny faggots
#109 - unworldlypath (05/22/2013) [-]
for the love of god it was a console reveal   
microsoft just wanted to show off the console itself and some choice games   
more games will probably be shown at E3    
mfw everybody complains there are no games for the xbox when it was the console reveal
for the love of god it was a console reveal
microsoft just wanted to show off the console itself and some choice games
more games will probably be shown at E3
mfw everybody complains there are no games for the xbox when it was the console reveal
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User avatar #117 to #109 - yusay ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
The reveal was awful. Genuinely awful.

Who is this thing aimed at? Gamers? The average consumer? Is it a gaming console or an entertainment box that plays games? While it looks good, this isn't what people wanted. They wanted to see games and it's capabilities for gaming. Who was actually wowed by seeing some racing, sports games, and the new COD(which is a multiplatform title)?

Why would MS say they would show all these exclusives later if gamers were the ones tuning into the livestream yesterday, not the average consumer?

Not to mention how they glanced over important issues like always online, the specs and used games. They had to come out on Twitter later to clarify, and on the topic of always online they flat out contradicted themselves, at first saying it was not always online but then saying that it would require online on their website.

I'm just going to copy and paste this.
User avatar #125 to #117 - unworldlypath (05/22/2013) [-]
what i think they are trying to do is to also market to families and avid tv watchers in order to gain a wider range of consumers

they might have thought that their gamer consumers might have been a nit more mature and understood that the games would most likely come at E3

i do agree with you that there could have been alot more in the show but its one day after the release, there is roughly a week from here to E3 for them to sort things out, and even more time to show off the console a little more at E3
User avatar #127 to #125 - yusay ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
But that's the thing. Gamers were the ones watching the livestream, not families and avid TV watchers. They get them with advertising, not events.

It didn't instill confidence to say,"We have fifteen new exclusive titles that will launch this year alone." and then not show any gameplay at all. It was Sports and Racing, then COD, a multiplatform title. If there's 15 of these, wouldn't you want to see two maybe three of them?

Plus, like I said, they glanced over very important issues.
User avatar #129 to #127 - unworldlypath (05/22/2013) [-]
yes they should have done that, you raise several valid points there.
#130 to #129 - yusay ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
I think a lot of people are getting too jumpy over the actual console, but the conference was abysmal.

Personally I will not be buying either console.
User avatar #138 to #130 - unworldlypath (05/22/2013) [-]
ive got a pc myself, so i dont need too much
User avatar #111 to #109 - resbiansrock (05/22/2013) [-]
Finally, someone who understands...
#145 to #109 - imortalpig (05/22/2013) [-]
It's not the fact that there weren't any good games released that made people mad, but the fact that they are turning a gaming console into something nobody wants. Do you really wake up in the morning and say, "I can't wait to watch TV and Skype with my friends on my Xbox One!"   
Picture relevant, PC gamers during console war
It's not the fact that there weren't any good games released that made people mad, but the fact that they are turning a gaming console into something nobody wants. Do you really wake up in the morning and say, "I can't wait to watch TV and Skype with my friends on my Xbox One!"

Picture relevant, PC gamers during console war
User avatar #147 to #145 - unworldlypath (05/22/2013) [-]
i guess not, but it does look cool you have to admit
#150 to #147 - RipperMan (05/22/2013) [-]
I really hope that was sarcasm.
User avatar #153 to #150 - unworldlypath (05/23/2013) [-]
what? the multiple app thing looked neat
User avatar #155 to #153 - RipperMan (05/23/2013) [-]
thought you were talking about the actual appearance of the console.
User avatar #156 to #155 - unworldlypath (05/23/2013) [-]
what the box? good lord no
User avatar #224 to #145 - clockworkmage (05/23/2013) [-]
I dunno. I've always wanted a water cooler that could play COD
#137 - spacelubber (05/22/2013) [-]
You guys act like gamers are the target audience for the next generation console. Please.

Ever since the Wii came out and managed to plop itself in the households of so many families that have no "hardcore" gamers, the console industry has changed dramatically. They no longer tailor themselves to gaming, their focus is on providing service to as many people as possible.

They're targeting every single family, not the gamers, and that's exactly what business will do. The new generation stuff is still superior to the 360 and PS3 so far as gaming is concerned, but the innovation and next-gen stuff is NOT about you anymore.
#88 - anon (05/22/2013) [-]
They aren't going to show off all the games at a CONSOLE REVEAL. How are people this stupid? E3 is right around the corner. That's where they show the games off.

Seriously, actually learn a little bit about video games before hopping on a stupid fanboy bandwagon.
User avatar #91 to #88 - nimba (05/22/2013) [-]
Personally, I wouldn't buy an xbox 1, even if it had the most marvellous games in the world because of what I've heard.
User avatar #101 - awesomenessdefined (05/22/2013) [-]
******* hell, I would hate to be a Microsoft Executive.

Ok Smith, how's our public image going?

People think we're going to charge you to play a used game and our xbox is always going to be connected to the internet.

Oh well, I'll just clear it up that it'll only cost money for a used game if you keep the installation on your device and it only needs to be connected to the internet a few times in it' lifetime.
No sir, no one is listening. They still think it always needs to online and will charge you money to play at a friends house.

**Sigh, I guess I'll just tell them once more...

No sir. Now they think they think that the only games we'll have at launch are going to be the ones we show'd them

******* Christ, consumers are idiots.
#104 - goobyplzstahp (05/22/2013) [-]
I like the X1. I like the idea of having everything concentrated, the reveal yesterday was more about functionality (things like the interface, improved kinect, snapping, instant switching) than it was about the games, they did stress that we would see more at E3 multiple times during the conference. If we look at the hardware we can see that the only difference is the GDDR5 in the PS4 which is more powerful but is also expensive, likely to see the same situation as the current gen where PS4 is more powerful but people buy the X1 anyway.
As for the name, it seem silly at a glance but until you really look into what the thing is it doesn't make sense. We've already connected the "One" to mean "all in one" as everything is in the X1 now, but the connotations go further. X1 is an entirely new direction for the Xbox brand, its a fresh start. Where do you start? At number One of course. (This is the only use i've managed to find for my English Language AS Level ;__; )
#217 to #104 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
Problem is though the Playstation won't be more expensive this time and the gap between the PS4 & XBone is a fair bit larger than the gap between PS3 & 360.

Fair enough is Mircrosoft want to go in a different direction and throw in Kinect and all these TV features but it comes at a cost. Games aren't their priority this Gen.
User avatar #205 - durkadurka ONLINE (05/23/2013) [-]
The used game fee is for the same reason PC games have CD codes. The inability to play 360 games is a result of the change in architecture more similar to PCs.

Now this explains microsoft's decisions, but it begs a new question: Why not just invest in a gaming PC?
User avatar #219 to #205 - rangerofthesea (05/23/2013) [-]
this is exactly what im going to do, but the reason consoles are still so popular is because parents rather their children be on a console, which has a very limited use beyond movies and games...idk how the xbox 1 is gonna be...but i know the wii was about the only one you could surf the web on or am i wrong?
User avatar #239 to #219 - durkadurka ONLINE (05/23/2013) [-]
The 360 has the capability to web surf and has a handful of streaming capabilities. The one does this too, but really a PC could do the job better. You could get the same things done with a media center PC in your living room. It may take more work to set up, but your options and potential are as limitless as it can get.
User avatar #188 - exarzero (05/23/2013) [-]
They will no longer have to be online only. Confirmed.
User avatar #216 to #188 - sketchE (05/23/2013) [-]
and they are thinking of another solution to the used game fee
User avatar #220 to #216 - exarzero (05/23/2013) [-]
Yeah, they confirmed they were not doing that too. See guys? If enough people complain, they have no choice.
#158 - Tormound (05/23/2013) [-]
Nothing is confirmed except something along the lines of gamers can sell and trade games at retail. The 24 hour log on thing was retracted and put as a "potential scenario" along with the used game fee. So everything can be subject to change.
#175 - dochoiday (05/23/2013) [-]
**** this I'm going to PC gaming! This picture makes more sense than microsoft right now.
#244 to #175 - comanderspy (05/23/2013) [-]
may the Gabe guide you in your travels through the glorious PC master race. please let me know what you think after you have had a chance to play, i can be reached at comrade_spy @ steam dat com, and my favorite class is the pie. thanks and have fun!
User avatar #8 - chrolt (05/22/2013) [-]
A lot of people bash the used game fee, but I really don't have a problem with it.

The thing is, if you buy a used game, none of the developers get any money from that puchase, only the retailers. So if you buy GTA 5 new, Rockstar sees some of that money, but if you buy it used it's only Gamestop (or where ever) that gets paid. And I for one am for developers getting paid for their work.

I know it's not that simple and there are mitigating circumstances, but the fact remains that the sellers of used games are screwing over the developers, who in turn try to fix this with methods that end up screwing over the consumer.
User avatar #183 to #8 - thewaronbeingcool (05/23/2013) [-]
No other industry gets to pull this ******** .

You don't see Ford bitching about used car dealerships.

What makes gaming so ******* special?
User avatar #13 to #8 - permass (05/22/2013) [-]
this is a valid point why the negative thumbs? here have a greenie
User avatar #14 to #13 - chrolt (05/22/2013) [-]
Thank you, it's nice to see someone atleast sees my point of view.
#241 to #14 - noschool (05/23/2013) [-]
to be fair why should the game industry get those liberties, no one else does. i don't have to go pay Ford if i want to buy or even just borrow my friends truck. so why should i have to do that for a game, that i legally bought from my friend when i don't have to do that for anything else i buy? i understand they need to be paid but treating their customer like this is not how you do it, if anything it makes me want to not give them money.
User avatar #27 to #8 - Maroon (05/22/2013) [-]
Who gives a **** ? You really think they keep producing those games for months after release? No. They make a certain amount for launch, and make some more based on demand after launch. Charging for a used game is literally making money twice on a single item for them. It's not like they keep producing new copies that no one buys because they buy used; that complaint I could understand.
#30 to #27 - jakatackka (05/22/2013) [-]
Skyrim alone was actively updated and improved for over 18 months after release, at considerable expense to the developers. I imagine they give a **** .
User avatar #31 to #30 - Maroon (05/22/2013) [-]
Ok, those were improvements to a game that had glitches and content that was sold as DLC. I don't see your point.
#32 to #31 - jakatackka (05/22/2013) [-]
The point is, they went through a lot of trouble fixing thousands of minor bugs in the game, well beyond the average game's life cycle, so it was very much still being produced. However, playing it used gives absolutely nothing to the developer, so every person that plays it costs the company money in potential profits. I'm not saying that banning used games is good (in fact I think it's a terrible idea) - all I'm saying is that developers do give a **** .
User avatar #34 to #32 - Maroon (05/22/2013) [-]
Do developers even get paid according to sales? I thought the publisher got that money and developers got commission basically. And my point still stands. They were still making improvements and DLC's for the game, but not manufacturing new disks. I wouldn't even care about used game fees if they had a factory chugging out new games constantly because then they actually would be losing revenue to used game stores. Otherwise they are just trying to charge people again for something they already sold.
#36 to #34 - jakatackka (05/22/2013) [-]
Every person that buys a game used isn't buying it new. That's it. The publisher and developer don't make any money off of a used game, unless the player buys DLC for it, which usually doesn't happen. It's not about the manufacturing expense of producing new discs, it's the unrealized potential profit. The manufacturing of discs is just supply and demand - if people will buy it, they make it. When people don't buy it, the company doesn't make it, so the shelves might not be stocked with new copies of the game, yet they are still losing money.
User avatar #18 to #8 - OddityInfintas (05/22/2013) [-]
Most Pre-owned games are purchased long after launch, when the developer will no longer see much profit from new sales, Most copies of games (new ones the developer is getting paid for) sell in the first few months after launch and then printing will be stopped, after six months the majority of games sold "new and sealed" are remnants from the launch window.
Used games are good for developers and users, The cheaper used games that are available to consumers let them stretch their budget to accommodate more titles and try riskier games. If a consumer isn't convinced that the game is going to be good they will put off getting it and likely get a cheap used copy, If they like the game after all then they are much more likely to buy a sequel, or follow up, new at launch. So used games might not directly give money to game designers but they generate a consumer base and help with future sales.
Blocking used games until you pay a fee basically means that once the online service goes offline then all the games will be useless, unable to be used on any other console, or if the speculation on the Xbox One needing to regularly connect are true then in 10-15 years all the games on Xbox One will be impossible to use, even if you bought them new and keep them in good condition, because the services won't be available.

Sorry, rant but I felt this needed to be explained.
User avatar #20 to #18 - chrolt (05/22/2013) [-]
I have to agree with much of what you say, and I again feel the need to point that it's not a simple matter, and there are good and bad parts (I neglected to mention the good parts, and I apologize).

And I was wrong for sticking up for the "used games fee", like you said, it sounds horrible. What I mean is that I want the developers to earn money when people buy their games, and like it or not, as it stands now they kinda don't earn anything from the used games market, even though they do get some publicity. I have no idea how to fix this, but it's a system that needs fixing. In my humble, uninformed opinion anyway.
User avatar #41 to #8 - keiishiyama (05/22/2013) [-]
But what if you're just borrowing it from a friend? It seems unfair that you have to pay full price for a game you'll play for about an hour or two.
User avatar #141 to #41 - bighairyfart (05/22/2013) [-]
Or paying used price and then full price on top of that.
#24 - cwilkens (05/22/2013) [-]
Why is everyone bitching about the games? They just revealed this what? Like 2 -3 days ago? They just want to get the general word out there, and show some of the cool features. Just ******* be a little patient and you'll see what games are coming out. I for one can't wait to throw my money at a cashier and get this console. Hell, I hate Sony, but if the PS4 is good enough, I'll buy that too.

TL;DR Stop bashing it. Give it time.
User avatar #29 to #24 - amegaara (05/22/2013) [-]
dude it will require always online and it will require a fee for online play with loads of HEY BUY DORITOS BUY MTDEW HEY BUY THIS BUY THAT coming to your face and most of these features are not for gamers i mean NFL? really?
User avatar #273 to #29 - MTDEW (05/24/2013) [-]
Buy me? K.
User avatar #47 to #29 - kingnewfag (05/22/2013) [-]
it does not require always online i dont know where everyone is getting this...
User avatar #69 to #47 - Fgner (05/22/2013) [-]
The leaked information is that you need to be online when you play a game for the first time (to prove it's new and if it's not, make you pay the used game fee); then once every 24h it has to get a connection.
User avatar #56 to #24 - ilovetocuddle (05/22/2013) [-]
Most of the people complaining don't even know what their talking about. Just riding the hate bandwagon. Just like how everyone on FJ has had sleep paralysis, or are doctors, or Navy seals.
#252 to #202 - sabcy (05/23/2013) [-]
Make me
#254 to #252 - bonkii (05/23/2013) [-]
#269 to #254 - sabcy (05/23/2013) [-]
I'm gettin' me mallet
#93 - rbpwn (05/22/2013) [-]
It's funny how it's neither always online, nor do you have to pay fees for used games   
And people still bitch about it   
I'm not an XBOX fanboy at all, but 			*******		 come on
It's funny how it's neither always online, nor do you have to pay fees for used games

And people still bitch about it

I'm not an XBOX fanboy at all, but ******* come on
User avatar #98 to #93 - vonboon ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
making you login ever time you play a game is always online to me .
User avatar #99 to #98 - rbpwn (05/22/2013) [-]
I've literally never heard about ANYTHING like that
#102 to #99 - vonboon ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
its true you dont alway need to be online but in order to verify you own your installed games you must login ONLINE to verify the games are tied to your account.

So ya you dont need to stay logged in but if your internet went down one day you **** out of luck

if you dont read articles and just watch rants you would not
User avatar #121 to #93 - yusay ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
It requires you to connect online once a day to use anything you own and while they have repeatedly mixed their words on used games the last thing they said was that if a game has already been installed to another drive then you must pay full price to use it.
#82 - iaintevenrustled (05/22/2013) [-]
They aren't trying to stick to their market. They're trying to expand into the Wiis market, the "Family Friendly" market. They're making complete business sense right now. Their objective isn't to make games. They're objective is to make a nice innovative console, and try to make money. It's innovative. If you don't like it, stick to the 360 or whatever you have.
User avatar #1 - ineptinevitability (05/22/2013) [-]
The always online thing actually isn't true. But yeah, the used game fee is total ******** .
User avatar #184 to #1 - thewaronbeingcool (05/23/2013) [-]
It's not always online, but you do have to connect every 24 hours.

And there is a fee for pre-owned games.

Major Nelson (Director of programming at Microsoft) confirmed both of these.
User avatar #7 to #1 - jasonmaki (05/22/2013) [-]
the used game fee isnt true either
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