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Ron Paul Speech (not funny)

An amazing speech from Ron Paul speaking about foreign policy and its massive flaws

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User avatar #8 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]
-_- Islamic terrorists hate us because their god tells them to hate everyone not Islamic and we are the most prosperous example of a non-Islamic nation.

The Koran teaches you may not befriend the infidel (non Islamic) unless you believe you can convert them.

Sure our getting involved pisses them off. But they want to kill us because of their religion, sticking our nose in places to defend ourselves just tweaks THEIR noses, cause it protects us.

In order to make accurate statements about your enemies, you need to know how your ENEMY thinks, not how YOU would think in your enemies situation.
User avatar #9 to #8 - soundofwinter (03/22/2012) [-]
Well actually a little known fact about Iran was that they had a democratic govt before we installed a dictator and then it fell to **** .
Then we killed Saddam.
We also brought Taliban into power in Afghanistan and then we soon found out who we supported and declared a state of war on them to.

Now they're taught America is evil because we go in an ruin everything
User avatar #10 to #9 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]
Which doesn't really change anything I said, but I know your point. Things always go ape **** .

I mean look at Iraq, Obama pulled us out early and in a matter of weeks the elected president was declared a traitor by his second who then started to put the country under Shia Law (spelling).

We help support an uprising in Egypt and their Military takes over and is more oppressive than the greedy guy that got over thrown.

Then we help overthrow Gaddafi and the Muslim Brotherhood is already taking that place over.

And It's tough as balls to figure out what's going on in any of these places NOW because as soon as **** started going south the entire media clamps their mouths shut so they don't hurt Obama's numbers.
User avatar #11 to #10 - soundofwinter (03/22/2012) [-]
Well actually we didn't help in Egypt cause he was a pro US dictator and we don't mind pro US dictators for whatever reason.

If the Muslim brotherhood takes over Libya then its Afghanistan all over again.

I think that we went to Iraq and dug ourselves in so we couldn't leave but we did causing turmoil.

I think we should just leave everyone alone unless an ally is under attack because at this point the middle east is beyond repair
User avatar #13 to #11 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]
Whole worlds F'ed, not just the middle east.

User avatar #12 to #11 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]
Ha! That last line reminded me.. Russia 'invaded' and took over Georgia. Saying they were after some sort of missile or probe that accidently fell out of a plane.

Georgia appealed to the UN as a member nation. The UN is supposed to unite and go to war when these things happen to their members (Georgia was a member).

Not a single country did a damned thing. Again we had a media black out so I don't even know how it ended, whether the Russians left or if Georgia is now part of it again.
User avatar #24 to #12 - drewsky (03/26/2012) [-]
If we go to war with Russia, we go to war with China as well. There are a billion people in China. That is a HUGE ratio from citizen to soldiers. Also, that would mark the start of WWIII. We all know how well the first 2 went!
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User avatar #15 to #14 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]

They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
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User avatar #18 to #17 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]
Well, **** me for improper look-up and grabbing the wrong part. *facepalm*

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
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User avatar #22 to #20 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]
Just like Ron Paul you aren't looking at this through the prism of their culture, you're looking at it through the prism of OUR culture. Which greatly changes how it looks.
User avatar #21 to #20 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]
*sighs* You just don't seem to get it do you? It is assumed by the Muslim religion that non believers are your enemy. This is the fatal flaw in interpretation by outsiders. To cease is to convert. To not be their religion is to be an enemy. Being the enemy means any attack on a disbeliever is a righteous act in support of Allah, if they die attacking they are immediately granted heaven.

O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves, for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason.

And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.

O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.

So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
He will guide them and amend their condition
And admit them to Paradise, which He has made known to them.
User avatar #23 to #21 - HobbsBear (03/22/2012) [-]
2 Kings 2:23-24
He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
Exodus 32:27-29
Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.

Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open

You can find things like this in any book about the past, religious, or not. By your thinking, us Americans are all evil because we have books that tell of how we slaughtered thousands of Native Americans for their land. Every culture has their extremists and those who give a bad name to themselves.

Next time you have a racist opinion, bend over, **** yourself with a rake, and don't say it.
User avatar #27 to #23 - malific (03/28/2012) [-]

Dude you're putting up stories from the bible bout things that happened in the past.

I was putting up the parts of the Qu'ran that tell muslims how their religion requires them to act.

Also your analogy is completely flawed and not even close to my meaning.

Please don't mistake cold hard facts for racism.

BTW your ignorance is showing.

User avatar #28 to #27 - HobbsBear (03/28/2012) [-]
That never happened.The last one isn't a story, its literally what you say Islam is. It's saying that because Samaria did (something, idk what), that she rebelled against God, that they should be slain. And not just adults. The children and pregnant women should be ripped open.

I'm gunna say that I can see your point about the others, as yes, they are stories, but I think it conveyed my point for a quick 2 minute research.

I'll give you that my stories don't show exactly the same point, but my analogy is not flawed, and comes incredibly close to your meaning (unless your meaning was sarcasm). I think what you're trying to say is that the Qu'ran calls for it's followers to harm and kill non-believers. Right?

Tell you what. This is what I think. My rebuttal shows that time and again, other religions also have done, do, and will do this.

Give up. You're using cold hard facts to fuel racism. Sure, it may call for violence, but other parts of it don't. You're looking the other way on OTHER facts, and that's the point you're missing.

By the way, read the second word of each paragraph.
User avatar #29 to #28 - malific (03/29/2012) [-]
I would like to bring to your attention one point that I'm sure your tl;dr missed.

The first two words in my very first comment. Everything I have posted is in reference to that.

So again, no racism here.
User avatar #30 to #29 - HobbsBear (03/29/2012) [-]
I would like to bring to YOUR attention that you've stated multiple times that the Qu'ran calls all to violence. You're saying that an entire religion is based entirely on killing non believers. Your views are ignorant and rediculous, as you are paying attention to only ONE religion, when other religions clearly do the same thing.

Just because you narrow the spectrum doesn't mean you get to say what you want as the whole. Thats like me sayin the Westboro Baptist Church is a bunch of cunt-nuggets because they follow the Bible, and the bible is full of calls to violence.

Every religion pulls this. The few destroy the reputation of the many. But to rip multiple sects holy book because of ONE sect IS ignorant, and while maybe not racist, is definitly not morally correct.
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User avatar #33 to #32 - HobbsBear (04/03/2012) [-]
fair enough, its easy to just consider religons a race, especially when one particular race is the face of that religion. But you're right, i was wrong. He is a bigot, not a racist.
User avatar #31 to #30 - malific (03/30/2012) [-]
The funny thing is, I agree with your hypothetical statement about the WBC.

In your tirade to try and prove me a bigot of some sort you failed to notice one VERY obvious fact.

This content is about Muslims, and the reason for their violent nature. Therefore I'm explaining why that nature is there.... in Muslims... because we're not talking about Christians, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists.

Some Christians have blown up Abortion clinics killing many people. Why? The Bible. Those Christians are Terrorists. Just like the Muslims I'm talking about.

I'm pretty sure average everyday Muslims follow the Qu'ran about as tightly as the average everyday Christian follows the Bible. Which is to say 'not much'. Otherwise there'd be a TON of ******* in the USA that wouldn't happen at all because like 90% of the US is Christian.

Yes the Qu'ran calls all to violence against unbelievers. Do they do that? No. Why? Because they're human, and most humans just want to be left alone, to do their own thing the way they've been taught.

The problem here is that those who DO go out and kill the unbelievers do so with full knowledge that they are doing the "right" thing. They will be rewarded. The unbeliever is the enemy, their religion says so.

Why do you think you hear "Muslim terrorist" and think "oh those guys again." Where as on the flip side you've NEVER heard "Jewish terrorist" "Hindu terrorist" "Taoist Terrorist" and I personally have only heard of the 1 incident involving "Christian terrorists".


Because the Muslim religion is predisposed to killing unbelievers. You are instantly granted heaven if you die in the act of doing so. Christians have a healthy amount of violence in the Bible. But most of it occurs in a "God said do this right now" kinda of way. There are no standing orders to kill specific people for a reward in the Bible, like there is in the Qu'ran.

Effectively Islam places a bounty on the head of all non-Muslims. But not all Muslims are bounty hunters.
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User avatar #16 to #14 - malific (03/22/2012) [-]
As you can see below. If you don't believe, you are to be killed.

And no this is not out of context this is specific to non believers. The Qu'ran preaches love and tolerance for Muslims only. The rest of us are to be killed.
User avatar #1 - sjsharks (03/22/2012) [-]
Thats exactly what we need. A president who points out the flaws in everything while presenting no solutions whatsoever.
User avatar #2 to #1 - soundofwinter (03/22/2012) [-]
Sadly, he won't get elected

Everyone is out to get him
User avatar #3 to #2 - sjsharks (03/22/2012) [-]
^doesn't get the obvious irony in my post.

he is listing problems. not solutions. That isn't what our country needs
User avatar #4 to #3 - soundofwinter (03/22/2012) [-]
Well actually if you listen to him,
he points out solutions.

He's saying we need to leave those areas
and cut spending from it
User avatar #5 to #4 - sjsharks (03/22/2012) [-]
No, he points out that us being in those areas is causing problems. he doesn't mention the reasons we are in those areas or solutions for that.
User avatar #6 to #5 - soundofwinter (03/22/2012) [-]
Well we are there caused we messed up Iran

We destroyed a democracy and replaced it with the Shah and then the Shah was overthrown and replaced with an extremist government

Then we took down Saddam, a dictator we supported in the 1980s

To a lesser extent, Israel
User avatar #25 to #5 - drewsky (03/26/2012) [-]
So, what, you can't think for a second and be like, "Oh! He's probably implying that we should stop causing the problems he's listing off by leaving it all alone!" Really? You can't grasp the simplicity of that thought?
User avatar #26 to #25 - sjsharks (03/26/2012) [-]
We can't just leave everything alone. There are problems there. Leaving them alone doesn't make all the bad things go away.
User avatar #7 to #1 - svulfie (03/22/2012) [-]
What you guys need are more voters who actually cares about politics.
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