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User avatar #14 - barpmeep
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Rango is for everyone. Which means avatar can be for adults to. But not ponies....ponies is just obviously for kids. (inb4 double standard) Adults loved that movie including me and my parents.
#28 to #14 - crilleballe
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Yeah, ponies are obviously for kids.
From what you've seen so far.
MLP is created, not only for prepubescent girls, but also their parents.
Would a seven year old girl know 'The Big Lebowsky' or Metal Gear Solid?
No. Then why is it in some of the episodes?
Because it's for adults as well as children.
User avatar #34 to #28 - herecomesjohnny
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having an easter egg doesn't really say anything. The show's pretty clearly for little girls, not saying it's against nature to like it but putting a mature cameo inbetween 20 minutes of kiddie humor, that doesn't do much..
#35 to #34 - crilleballe
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Well, i see your point.
However still, it is designed for adults as well.
I don't know how to explain it to you, unless you watch the show itself.
Even still, the creators have expressed how they have designed it for adults as well.
Therefore, from the viewpoint of animators and storydesigners and what do i know, it's made for both adults and children.
#36 to #35 - herecomesjohnny
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dude, it's about ponies learning the meaning of friendship. One's sassy, one's shy, etc. One's pink, one's purple, one's yellow, etc. Together they use friendship to learn that greed is wrong and lying is bad. You got your comic relief over here to the right and then your dramatic soul-searching fomula to the left. There's the ugly girl with dark skin that's bad, and the african one does pagan stuff, and the princess horse is white, etc.

Yeah, i saw the show, my niece digs it, but one pony looking like jeff bridges doesn't make it an adult show, sorry dude. It's a pretty standard little girls' cartoon..
#38 to #36 - crilleballe
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So is adventure time to some degree.
I understand that you may not 'dig' the show, and that's fine, but please do not try to value your own opinion, over the opinion of professional story designers.
User avatar #41 to #38 - herecomesjohnny
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I'm not valuing my opinion, i'm comparing the show with what i think are rigorous criteria.

Let's take your own example, adventure time. Whereas in my little pony there was one or two appearances, in adventure time the entire universe and humor is overflowing with social satire (like the use of nuclear menace), absurdism and references to numerous shows such as Seinfeld.
Since Adventure Time is one of the most radical examples, let's take something more subtle if you want, like Spongebob. Spongebob's humor is itself more based on everyday life, touching to things like economy, having a job, road trips, subjects increasingly touching adult people (they even have academical references like jacques cousteau)
#44 to #41 - crilleballe
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There has not been one or two appearences. There has been way over 20 references in the current episodes.
I am not fond of social satire.
As for 'everyday life': So does MLP.
Two things:
- does a show need to be about everyday life and touching subjects to be interesting.
- MLP touches subject like having a job and responsebility for doing your job. There is not alot of complicated economy, but neither does spongebob. There is currency and there are wages.
Road trips?? Why mention road trips?
User avatar #46 to #44 - herecomesjohnny
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that's nice of you to say you don't like satire, that is indeed a cool story, but satire is pretty much the most explicit sign of maturity in humor.

I'm not saying the pony cartoon isn't ''interesting'', it may be one of the best little girls shows out there (i don't think bratz dolls cartoons are big rivalry if you ask me), i'm not questioning it's value.

But anyways, maybe i'm not getting my point across. You're saying the pony cartoon touches responsibilty. That's nice. But touching the subject of jobs isn't what makes a mature show, it's the intricate winks to adult life about a subject that makes it mature or not.

Whereas a purely kiddie-market show teaches you about responsibility, only a considerably mature show can pop one-liners on the real estate market or the banking crisis.
(by the way, i only mentioned road trips about spongebob because theirs had a similar structure to jack kerouac's according to me)
#48 to #46 - crilleballe
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I didn't mean to say i disliked satire, i just don't know alot about it.
Well, if adult subjects like work and responsebilities is not what makes an adult show, then what is it?
I don't know about you, but i haven't seen any references/winks to any current adult world subject in any cartoons like Death Note.
If it's not a cartoon you're probably right, but it does not need winks to adult life at all, to be a good show.
I'll end it here. MLP-FiM is a highly enjoyable show if you can get over the fact that My Little Pony WAS once a pure girls show and if you can jump into the fact that the entire society is built up and run like modern day human society. It has strictly adult jokes and references, as well as stuff directed to younger people.
User avatar #49 to #48 - herecomesjohnny
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if i couldn't get my point on what mature humor is, i don't think you'd get it with one more comment.

Uh, anyways, maybe what makes death note a mature comic is, uh....death, the fact it's an intellectual detective story, morbid subjects, the downfall of the protagonist, etc. But anyways, i don't think i can explain the difference between death note and a kid's show in one comment if you haven't gotten it already.

now, uh, have a nice day again, i guess
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User avatar #39 to #37 - herecomesjohnny
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Well of course. Anyone does. The writers even do. The audience's opinion is what guides them and dictates every choice, should it be from predicting or from fan requests. Every major studio has entire teams of experts working on audience response. That's their main guide, dude.
#40 to #39 - crilleballe
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'Anyone does'
Does what exactly?
Also, i don't see how the rest of your statement is supposed to make me think that it's not an adult show. None the less, over 30,000 adults watch it, which in short MAKES it an adult show, according to your statement
If television shows are designed for the people who the designers want to have watching it, and 30,000 adults watch it, it is an adult show.
Either it is designed, possibly by accident, for adults, or else we are all little girls.
And i'm pretty sure we're not little girls...
User avatar #43 to #40 - herecomesjohnny
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but don't forget that behind every grown man being a fan of the show, there's about a hundred parents treating it like a normal kiddie cartoon. It goes both ways, and being over-expressive doesn't count as much as you'd think..

Anyways, i'm not saying the audience's definition of a series characterizes the series itself, but heavily influences the developers every step of the way.

In substance, though, i'm still saying it's a little girl's show. Agree to disagree?
#45 to #43 - crilleballe
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I believe that the only reason there are so few watching it is because they've never tried. I can't say how many would watch it if they tried, but it would be way more than one of a hundred.
And if people saying that it's a children show, because they don't like it, we might aswell just assemble people and vote for everything. Just because the majority of people think something, doesn't make it the truth.
If the show can be enjoyed by alot of adult people, it can be an adult show. No matter how many people doesn't think it is so.
Agree to disagree.
Have a nice day sir.
#16 to #14 - jlpeters [OP]
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i swear if you are talking about the last air bender movie.
i swear if you are talking about the last air bender movie.
User avatar #17 to #16 - barpmeep
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im talking about rango
User avatar #19 to #17 - jlpeters [OP]
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good, i thought it was ok. it put me to sleep