What they really mean. Israel will only be at peace when all its calls enemy are dead or dominated there can be no true peace with such a warlike people.. that is a very ignorant view of the two states. freedom
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#12 - anon (03/30/2013) [-]
Palestine cant be trusted. Anon here. Palestine has always been the aggressive state and shutting them down is the ONLY key to peace. ********** time. Thanks for listening.
User avatar #13 to #12 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
israel cant be trusted either, just because they have big bad USA as their ally is the only reason the world isnt doing anything about them
#16 to #13 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
do you understand that jews have been persecuted for a very long time, and the only way to protect them was to give jews a country of their own? somebody had to lose land. I'm not saying they are good people, they have done and still do terrible things to innocent people. but looking in the past its not that far fetched that they would retaliate that way.
#30 to #16 - jsprmp (05/12/2013) [-]
Aw boo ******* hoo, Two wrongs do not make a ******* right. There is no justification for Israel to act like the same fascists that persecuted them
#31 to #30 - winternetz (05/12/2013) [-]
i know two wrongs don't make a right, but neither side is going to stop just because the other side does. its just a ****** war where most casualties are civilians.

also, mfw you comment on this after like a month and a half lol.
User avatar #18 to #16 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
well maybe things would have been different if the british hadnt lied like **** and claimed palestine was empty just to get international support to put jews there

the jews could have lived there as a part of the people there, instead of nominating 56% of palestine as israel (giving the native palestines the short end of the stick over their own lands)
then as a further kick in the teeth, usa has repeatedly used its powers to protect israel as it attacked and occupied what remains of palestine

yes bad things have happened to jews BUT how does that permit them to do worse in retaliation....the jews began with occupying palestine like the nazis did to poland, BUT making the palestinians live in 3rd word conditions like africa
#19 to #18 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
thats the problem, jews COULDN'T live there as part of the people, they would have been killed off if not for a place to call their own.
User avatar #20 to #19 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
jews and christians were living in there as part of the people for thousands of years, things were peaceful till after ww1 when british got a large chunk of the former ottoman empire and did what it wanted with the lands despite the wishes of the people

then again britain has a track record for fascism
#22 to #20 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
peaceful if you dont count any of the crusades or invasions from armies seeking control of the land.
User avatar #25 to #22 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
well the british were a part of the crusade invasions too

the romans, egyptians, and persians invaded alot more countries than just palestine,

yes the egyptians used the jews as slaves, they also used the apes from africa as slaves,
the romans treated the jews...AND any other non-roman as lesser....
the persians absorbed them as they did with many others and had those in palestine as just another people in the empire
the british under the mantle of judeo-christianity invaded the land the kill the arabs in the name of the god of their judeo religion

and now we have the biggest problem
the single most fanatical sect of all, Zionism, is calling up every debt they feel owed to the jewish people to be paid for with the blood of anyone who has ever been hostile towards jews.....and so bloodthirsty that even other jews are horrified that a part of their people could be so evil
#26 to #13 - mckinkymcormic (04/01/2013) [-]
but Palestine doesn't stop fighting.
but Palestine doesn't stop fighting.
#27 to #26 - konradkurze [OP](04/01/2013) [-]
seriously take a look at how palestine is

it used to be a modest nation, then british gave 56% of it to the jews and made israel, then the first war broke out and israel seized more...so that palestine is about only some 30% of its original size....then after the 2nd war, the israelis occupied what remains

and theyve stayed there for some 30 years so that many young palestinians dont have any ideal of life outside of being occupied and treated like a hostile enemy by the israelis
and to make it worse, israelis have defied the UN by building settlements inside the occupied territory and built israeli-only roads to cut off whole areas of palestine, and deny them access to russin water and medical care

think apartheid in africa,.....thats what the israelis are doing to the palestinians
wouldnt you be angry enough to rise up?
#1 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
that is a very ignorant view of the two states.
User avatar #2 to #1 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
well how long has israel been talking about peace then later seizing more and more land from palestine

they'll only stop when they have it all or the last chunk is so ****** up from war the israelis wont want it
#4 to #2 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
http://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Timeline_ oftheIsraeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

its been back and forth ever since ww2. israel was and still is trying to keep the only sanctuary they have on this planet.
User avatar #11 to #4 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
well before ww2, there were jews there for centuries...its only after ww2 when british marked out a 'jews only' area and called it israel, that real problems began

youre from canada right
how would you feel if british marked out a chunk of canada as 'french only' and let the french treat you as a hostile enemy the way jews treat palestinians
#17 to #11 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
okay well, if i imagine this accurately, the french and english in canada would be fighting and killing each other. the english would be trying to exterminate the french, and the french fighting to protect themselves. The english would all of the sudden get a huge helping hand from america(germany ww2). then britain makes a french only area in that country because like every other country in that part of the world, everyone hates them. the americans are gone at this point but the english keep attacking the french borders pushing it back. and it goes back and forth like that until present times.
User avatar #21 to #17 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
well then

why if in the hypothetical situation if canada came across as the fascist dominator, the world would be against it, but in the reality, as israel is the fascist dominator, the world does nothing...in fact usa has used (abused) its power of veto 40 times to prevent the UN from taking action against israel
#23 to #21 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
not everybody sees israel as a fascist invader. this is where you and i disagree obviously and neither one of us is willing to change our views.
#24 to #23 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
well aside from after ww2 when britain took 56% of palestines land and not only gave it to israel, but picked the most useful land for settlement and farming, and left the palestinians with the less useful 46% of their own land....but also america has protected israel as it attacked and occupied the remaining 46% and treat palestinians as 3rd class people in their own country

and all the while, the only media sources allowed to go public get heavily edited by usa to twist the story around to protray israel as the poor little victim, and palestinians as the hostile terrorists
the suicide bombers are just desperate people who have nothing else to lose, most of the time israel has already murdered all their loved ones so they blow themselves up to die as the last man standing to fight back against israel

any time an independant media source tries to film stuff, they get arrested, and either imprisoned or expelled from the country, or more conveniently get labelled as hostiles by the israeli army and get shot, one way or another trying to prevent anyone from showing the truth
User avatar #28 - douthit (04/16/2013) [-]
The state is the problem. One-on-one 99% of people have no problem with each other--it's their leaders.
User avatar #29 to #28 - konradkurze [OP](04/16/2013) [-]
true story

the average jew in israel has no problem with palestinians, its only the small number of fascist zionists in israel who do,...its them who spark up hostilities, its them who kill the occasional palestinian to make palestinians revolt, and for occupied palestine, its zionists who are moving in to live there illegally and act like they own palestine
#3 - thefirstporkchop (03/30/2013) [-]
Israel is by the far the aggressor, Palestine just wants to be left alone. Damn.
Go Palestine! Be Free!
#5 to #3 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
http://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Timelineofthe_ Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

i don't think you have the full history
User avatar #14 to #5 - konradkurze [OP](03/30/2013) [-]
did you even read the reports on the violence last month?

israelis murder a palestinian gas station worker, palestinians rise up in revolt throwing ROCKS....israelis reply with stun and gas grenades and firing with live rounds

the israelis are instigating hostilities so they can shoot palestinians and call it 'defence'
#6 to #5 - thefirstporkchop (03/30/2013) [-]
You just gave me a link from wikipedia. Just stop

#7 to #6 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
and a youtube video is better?
#8 to #7 - thefirstporkchop (03/30/2013) [-]
Well I can't ******* buy you the god damn DVD, now can I?
#9 to #8 - winternetz (03/30/2013) [-]
i havent watched the whole video obviously but im getting the feeling this is completely one sided. they see israel as an occupation, not a country.
#10 to #9 - thefirstporkchop (03/30/2013) [-]
Keep watching. It will all come together. If you don't I won't have any qualms with you, but I highly recommend that you do. But this is the internet, so merit is out the door.
#15 to #3 - anon (03/30/2013) [-]
Palestine were the aggreser, they weren't happy with the forming of Israel and they want their old land back that they felt was theirs
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