Israel is peaceful. their land is just so full of pieces stolen from others.. I hate it when people call themselfs "leftist" and support violent islamistic regimes like those in so called "palestine". especially when t Jihad
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#56 - jasonthedragon (02/10/2013) [-]
I hate it when people call themselfs "leftist" and support violent islamistic regimes like those in so called "palestine". especially when they combine their 			******		 oppinions with antisemitism.
I hate it when people call themselfs "leftist" and support violent islamistic regimes like those in so called "palestine". especially when they combine their ****** oppinions with antisemitism.
#184 to #56 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
Palestine is muslim, and don't say "'Palestine'", they deserve to be their own country, they're muslim, they shouldn't have to be ruled by a jewish government.
#59 to #56 - Bloodgartham ONLINE (02/10/2013) [-]
Actually, even the Taliban when sending their messages through to the public, rarely ever say Jews. They say Isrealies.
User avatar #65 to #56 - Crusader (02/10/2013) [-]
I'm going to explain that picture in reality.
Yes, both paintings are offensive.
But one is a person's opinion, their point of view, that is allowed by most freedom of speech laws.
But one of the basic rules of Islam is that you are not allowed to paint a picture of Allah or Muhammad, because they are holy and infinite at this point.
One is freedom of speech and portayal, the other is breaking a central tenet, it's like forcing a Jew to eat a cheeseburger.
User avatar #95 to #56 - dafunkad (02/10/2013) [-]
Both side are not doing much to make things better,

User avatar #117 to #95 - finni (02/10/2013) [-]
What do you for example think that Israel should do then to make the situation better?
User avatar #155 to #117 - dafunkad (02/10/2013) [-]
stop building in palestinian territory for a start,

User avatar #182 to #155 - dmagen (02/11/2013) [-]
you know what you are right.
Israel should give them a country and then take 4 more Jewish countries and invade Palestine the day after. ( if you dont know what im referring to, or need to search/guess in order to find out, you should just quit and support the side that defends western values and not the one that defends terrorists).
also Israel is trying to make peace, but it's hard to make peace with someone who says that your very existence is unacceptable and he should fight you in order to end you.

User avatar #187 to #182 - dafunkad (02/11/2013) [-]
I don't defend palestinian terrorists, I don't know where did you get that idea, you asked me what "Israel should do then to make the situation better"

And yes ty I'm not an uneducated dude, I know what happenned to Isreal,

But Israel is far from being the good guy, both countries aren't trying **** to sort things out,
User avatar #193 to #187 - dmagen (02/11/2013) [-]
what makes Israel not the good guy?
what can Israel possibly do to make things right?
stop building in so called Palestinian territories? well sorry but they had their chance to have a country, they chose to make it a military base, now it's Israels and they have full right to build in their country.
recognize a Palestinian state? if they want to create the biggest terrorist meet up place in the middle east right next to their country, they should definitely do it.
go into peace talks? well nobody ever tried this before!
its easy to talk high when you're not the one at risk, but sorry to brake it to you, Israel can not make peace with the Palestinians now. at least not in their terms.
User avatar #234 to #193 - dafunkad (02/11/2013) [-]
you answered your own question :)

And don't worry you didn't brake anything to me,

If you want exemple on why Israel is not the good guy search israeli demolition on youtube, if you want to know why the palestinians aren't the good guys watch fox news, or look for anything concerning the Hamas
User avatar #239 to #234 - dmagen (02/11/2013) [-]
you know you cant build a building without permission from the state, in order to enforce the law. if a Jewish person build unauthorized buildings they will be destroyed.
and no, the things I described showed that Israel is the good guy and nothing you can say would prove otherwise. so I answered your question, not my own.
and if destroying illegal buildings makes Israel the bad guy, then the Palestinians are satan himself.
User avatar #276 to #239 - dafunkad (02/11/2013) [-]
I'd really like to know, are you jewish ? Is your father really pro-israeli ? Or is it your own made opinion ?

Also have you tried reading other newspaper than only pro-israeli newspaper, not necessarily pro-palestinian but more neutral ?

I think you can't even imagine how biased is your point of view, the israeli demolition are far from being the only thing that israel shouldn't be doing,

(I'm not an english speaker, I lack the correct vocabulary to give you as many exemple as I want to)
User avatar #294 to #276 - finni (02/12/2013) [-]
A newspaper is rarely neutral though. I think what you are saying is wise, but most News papers take sides in these matters. Either they are highly supportive to one side or highly supportive to the other.

If you ask people in Europe, most people will say that they think that the media is too left. If you ask people in America what they think of Fox News they'll say that it's too right wing. It's funny, because the most neutral media I've heard of (don't remember it's name, it was a classmate who talked about it) was an Israeli media station. (I doubt he was Pro-Israel)
User avatar #296 to #294 - dafunkad (02/12/2013) [-]
You didn't answer my question :)

And yes a newspaper is rarely neutral, they can try to be neutral tho, a newspaper that I like, is called "courrier international" means news from the world, and this newspaper only quotes articles from other newspaper around the world, and often try to give articles from both side of a matter,
User avatar #297 to #296 - dafunkad (02/12/2013) [-]
nvm you're not dmagen i'm retarded :)
User avatar #246 to #155 - finni (02/11/2013) [-]
Well the left parties in Israel are against that, and the right-wing parties are for that.

But Jews have lived in that part of the world since creation of Judaism. It contains one of the most holy places for Jews and is where Judaism was founded. The only time Jews were forbidden to live there was during Jordan's illegal occupation.
#63 to #56 - byposted (02/10/2013) [-]
I hate it when people who call themselves "conservatives" support a rogue nuclear state who is making us do their dirty work for them.
#107 to #63 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
How many soldiers actually are dying for Israel? If anything I would guess that more israelis have died for our causes in the Middle East than us for theirs.
#85 to #63 - mattymc (02/10/2013) [-]
Oh look another Nazi
User avatar #58 to #56 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
i dont support either side, both are religious zealot nutjobs, but im tired of the pro-jew policy the world has
#214 to #58 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
>both are religious zealot nutjobs
no, israel is a secular republic, palestine isnt
User avatar #254 to #214 - konradkurze (02/11/2013) [-]
is rael is a republic, filled with jewish zealots, palestine isnt a republic, but still filled with religious headjobs
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User avatar #2 to #1 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
sad how israelis and palestinians are both just arabs and their bitchslapping each other over whose imaginary friend in the clouds is better
User avatar #3 to #2 - untouchablechick (02/10/2013) [-]
Israelis are not Arabs...
User avatar #4 to #3 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well what are they then, pureblood israelis have tan skin and black hair, so not caucasians
User avatar #5 to #4 - dafiltafish (02/10/2013) [-]
they are kind of on their own, it all comes down to bone structure at that point.
User avatar #6 to #5 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well that is true, as much as many bleat jewishness isnt racial, but just religion, then why is it in many cases easy to spot a number of jewish people on sight

User avatar #7 to #6 - dafiltafish (02/10/2013) [-]
accent
cloths
hair
yamica

all very good indications

also the nose, the jewish have a very distinct nose.
User avatar #8 to #7 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
not to mention certain other factors

like red hair is mostly a scottish thing, blue eyes a nordic thing, but red hair and blue eyes together...is a jewish thing
young women with very masculine faces, oft tend to be jewish
#9 to #8 - schnizel (02/10/2013) [-]
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#10 to #9 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
oooooh heeeeyyy schnizel.......
User avatar #11 to #10 - schnizel (02/10/2013) [-]
After I conquer the Balkans I will make a video-game company.
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#12 to #11 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
plotting world domination again huh?
plotting world domination again huh?
User avatar #13 to #12 - schnizel (02/10/2013) [-]
Yes.
Muahahahahaahha!
The game will be awesome.
User avatar #16 to #8 - untouchablechick (02/10/2013) [-]
red hair and blue eyes? i don't know a single Jew with red hair and not to most of them have brown hair and brown eyes like you previously mentioned, try not to contradict yourself.
User avatar #24 to #16 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well the pureblood jews from israel or those close to it have said brown hair brown eyes,...but a number of european jews have red hair blue eyes
User avatar #35 to #3 - unicornswag (02/10/2013) [-]
What are they then?
#174 - arnoldbusk (02/11/2013) [-]
Was it wrong to give them the land in the first place?

Probably.

Is it too late to take it away from them again?

Certainly.


So you have 2 choices:

1: Support a country with a democratic system, no female oppression and with some of the best scientists the world has to offer.

2: Support an outdated country full of insane nutjobs who hangs gay people, burn flags and beats their women.

It really shouldn't be that difficult of a choice.
User avatar #206 to #174 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
1) They build Jewish only settlements. Segregation is not morally correct in my book.
2) Most of this is wrong. 99% of the people do not agree or partak in this. You are choosing to focus on only the bad part of the country. Israel has that.

3) Israel is known to have other political leaders/rivals assassinated.
4) Israel is constantly breaking war time agreements with the UN.
5) Israel set up a blockade all around Palestine which is illegal.
6) Israel has attacked nearly all its neighbors, and is the prime instigator of the Middle East and has been for some time.

But does this make the PEOPLE of Israel evil? No. It makes their government evil. Should the people be insulted, left to die or attacked for its governments crimes? NO. This is the same with Palestine. Deal with it.
#210 to #206 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
They fight with their neighbors in self defense.
User avatar #212 to #210 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
Look at all the conflicts(long list) and you will see that they usually are the first to strike.
User avatar #220 to #212 - dkkhafif (02/11/2013) [-]
just wanna throw the war of yom kipur out there....
User avatar #229 to #220 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
"Egyptian and Syrian forces crossed ceasefire lines to enter the Israeli-held Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights respectively, which had been captured and occupied since the 1967 Six-Day War. "
Taken from wikipedia. Kind of explains it there.
And even further revelations that came long after...
www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/22/what-really-happened-in-the-yom-kippur-war/

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakewallissimons/100182402/new-revelations-about-the-yom-kippur-war-raise-questions-about-the-mossad/
User avatar #233 to #229 - dkkhafif (02/11/2013) [-]
Yeah because big media sites/corporations aren't in any way focused on portraying one or the other side as victims depending on the situation/corporation
User avatar #241 to #233 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
Perhaps you are right. But two different sources confirm the same information (and many more do as well). In any event, the information is true. But that doesn't mean the official story will change. Israel won, they get to write the history regardless of its truthfulness.

New information about old events pops up all the time, it is not uncommon. Sometimes people spill the beans of what they kept secret for many years and usually it doesn't change anything. People choose to ignore it because it is easier and after so long of a time, few people really care.

Basically, it was a false flag, Israel is famous for these as well as other nations of the world.

User avatar #177 to #174 - setzboyz (02/11/2013) [-]
Logged in to thumb this up...
User avatar #188 to #174 - Ruspanic (02/11/2013) [-]
That's a bit of a false choice. It shouldn't be a simple as just picking a side.
I sympathize with the Israeli motive of self-defense, and I also don't think Palestine is ready for statehood, but that doesn't mean I have to approve of Israel building Jewish-only settlements in the West Bank or not allowing inter-religious marriage or doing all that unethical covert ops stuff that they undoubtedly do.
#273 to #188 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
Israel doesn't only allow inter religious marraige, and all the settlements they built were actually bought from individual civilians in the west bank (who very likely where killed afterwards by their fellow Palestinians for betraying them)
User avatar #125 to #60 - godisdog (02/10/2013) [-]
Is that supposed to be America or Israel?
User avatar #258 to #125 - konradkurze (02/11/2013) [-]
its israel....but then again they get money and weapons from usa
#157 to #125 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
It is a reference to the whole Gaza thing.
User avatar #22 - eliotmoose (02/10/2013) [-]
thumb me down but OP is an idiot
User avatar #23 to #22 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
why, because i dont hold back from speaking truth?
User avatar #37 to #23 - CorporalObvious (02/10/2013) [-]
You're an idiot for thinking there's one "truth"
User avatar #38 to #37 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
yes there is never one truth but i choose not to pick the 'poor little israel' story they call truth
User avatar #66 to #38 - Crusader (02/10/2013) [-]
"poor little Israel"
You mean the country that was founded on ancestral holy land, is open to all 3 monotheistic faiths, and was created as a safe haven for a race/religion that has been persecuted for hundreds of years?
#185 to #66 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
Politicians kiss Isreal's ass, Palestine should be their own country, if Isreal was as open as you say they are, they would allow that to happen.
User avatar #70 to #66 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
it was holy land for multiple sides so who has the right so say it belongs to one side, unless one side plans to relive the holy wars and try genocide on the others
User avatar #71 to #70 - Crusader (02/10/2013) [-]
It was holy for Jews before the others considering that Christianity and Islam are based off of Judaism.
User avatar #73 to #71 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well then why have the jews been a minority there till after ww2
User avatar #75 to #73 - Crusader (02/10/2013) [-]
Because they were forced out by other nations and spread around the world and continuously persecuted.
User avatar #77 to #75 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
they were forced out by a few arabs and chose to spread around the world, hoping to find new homes, but came across others saying "if people in your own land dont want you, we sure as **** dont want you"
User avatar #78 to #77 - Crusader (02/10/2013) [-]
That's not true.
There were laws that were specifically made around Jews that were not made around other nomadic groups.
As for "pushed out by a few arabs" they were pushed out by Romans and then Europeans during the crusades.
User avatar #79 to #78 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well the jews invented the christianity the europeans follow, so they are to blame if they made a problem child religion

plus the romans were dicks to alot more people than the jews, they were dicks towards the french, germans, and eastern europeans too
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User avatar #257 to #137 - konradkurze (02/11/2013) [-]
> the majority
implying there was a minority who accepted him and went christian
thus the original christians used to be jewish
User avatar #81 to #79 - Crusader (02/10/2013) [-]
Jews didn't invent Christianity, Christians created Christianity, it is based off of Judaism.

Also, all those other countries now have there own countries, France, Germany, etc.
Why not Jews?
User avatar #89 to #81 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
have you even look at how the world is...very few countries actually belong to the people from there anymore, theyre all being bred out by blacks and arabs
europe in fact is just becoming a bigger Turkey

so jews are allowed israel but the rest of us cant have our native homelands?
User avatar #40 to #38 - wolvesbrickwall (02/10/2013) [-]
"poor little Israel"? Dude, Israel is one of the strongest countries in the world, speaking from a military perspective.
#43 to #40 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
they play the game of 'boo hoo hoo, the holocaust happened, pity us forever", while at the same time endorse massacring arabs

other countries have lost millions of people in war, and in some cases peacetimes...and they dont spend forever bitching about it
User avatar #50 to #43 - wolvesbrickwall (02/10/2013) [-]
Except, you know, Israel doesn't just go out and murder people because they are Arab...
User avatar #52 to #50 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
no they go out and murder people because they're muslim or islamic
jews really hate religious competition
User avatar #53 to #52 - wolvesbrickwall (02/10/2013) [-]
Yeah and Jews totally don't get murdered for being Jewish throughout the middle east.
User avatar #55 to #53 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well i agree both sides are at fault, though the jews were the ones who sparked up the fires of war here

all in all, all mainstream religion is responsible for the wars we've had for centuries
User avatar #82 to #55 - Crusader (02/10/2013) [-]
No, the perversion of religion is responsible for some of the wars.
WW1 was not religion based, neither was Vietnam, Korea, 1812, or the American, French or Russian Revolutions.
User avatar #91 to #82 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
WW1 was started by a jewish terrorist assasinating an austrian noble

how many americans acted like the vietnam/korean wars were bringing truth to the godless communist heathens

yes other wars were bsed on politics, but each side has taken a blindly dogmatic approach that they are always right
User avatar #209 to #91 - waaw (02/11/2013) [-]
The assassination of Franz Ferdinand wasn't what started WWI. WWI started because all the major countries were crazy nationalists making alliances that allowed any small conflict to quickly escalate to a world war.
User avatar #255 to #209 - konradkurze (02/11/2013) [-]
okay you just said the assassination didnt start it then said any small conflict would escalate

the assassination WAS what sparked off a small conflict which escalated to WW1
#133 - envinite ONLINE (02/10/2013) [-]
mfw people here argumenting the Israel-Palestine conflict but don't 			*******		 know what the real case is.   
   
last time there's post like this, everyone support Palestine and now everyone support Israel   
Way to be bipolar FJ
mfw people here argumenting the Israel-Palestine conflict but don't ******* know what the real case is.

last time there's post like this, everyone support Palestine and now everyone support Israel
Way to be bipolar FJ
User avatar #208 to #133 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
90% of the world take Israel's side because they are not properly educated. They listen to what their TV says. The last time there was an I-P post, it turned out the same as I recall.
User avatar #248 to #208 - finni (02/11/2013) [-]
Your comment right there shows how little you know of this matter.
User avatar #279 to #248 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
Is that so? Would you care to counter my argument instead of making a general claim with no support?
User avatar #282 to #279 - finni (02/11/2013) [-]
If you look at the world, every Arab nation is against Israel, mostly all of the European Countries are against Israel, except for some countries like Finland. It's only America and Canada that are the two major Western countries that support Israel. Most European countries are critical of it, some more than others
User avatar #283 to #282 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
Critical, not against. Most of Europe side with Israel, but are not afraid to call them out when they are wrong.
User avatar #284 to #283 - finni (02/11/2013) [-]
No? They are against almost every action Israel takes especially the EU. Why the Israelis want to join that fanatical faction I will never know, especially considering how against Israel it is. Like 1/3 of Europe is pro-Israel, the rest is not neccessarily for Palestine, but they condemn Israel
User avatar #285 to #284 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
Israel today reminds me of Nazi Germany. Go figure.
User avatar #286 to #285 - finni (02/11/2013) [-]
Again, shows how little you know of this issue
User avatar #287 to #286 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
>Builds Jewish only settlements.
>Oppress specific people (Palestinians)
>They do this because they are the chosen race.

I don't need to know much to be able to make the connections. I am sure there are more connections if I dig for them.
User avatar #289 to #287 - finni (02/11/2013) [-]
-No policy on only allowing Jews to move to Judea-Samaria
-Is democratic with freedom of speech and religion
-Allows anyone of any race to vote and be a citizen of their country
-Has several non-Jews in high positions like military, soccer, judges etc.
-Over half of the population are secular
-Has allowed several Palestinians to immigrant to their country as workers and made them citizens.

I don't see a connection

With the Palestinians/Arabs how ever...
-Haj Amin al-Husseini, the father of Palestinian nationalism, was an acosiator with Hitler and was going to help him with the final solution
-Muslim brotherhood who were one of the founders of Hamas, translated mein kampf over to Arabic.
-Palestinians show their kids TV-shows were they are taught to hate Jews and that they are descendence of apes and pigs
-Show several propaganda cartoons with the Jews controlling the world.
-Some of them deny the holocaust (like today's neo-Nazis) or they praise it.
User avatar #290 to #289 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
The bottom half with the whole "Jewish propaganda" is incorrect. Palestinians do not hate Jews. They hate Zionism. Unfortunately the Israeli government is controlled by it.

"-Some of them deny the holocaust (like today's neo-Nazis) or they praise it. "
Sounds more like Iran. Not Palestine.

"-Show several propaganda cartoons with the Jews controlling the world. "
Perhaps, but Israel has its nose just about everywhere. It is one of the strongest military forces of the world too. It isn't too much to say that they at least believe they should be controlling the world.
#291 to #290 - finni (02/11/2013) [-]
Palestinians does indeed hate Jews. They use Zionists just as a code word. They want the end of the Jewish state. And it has several anti-Jewish propaganda: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Eu6_P8rNpk www.terrorism-info.org.il/data/pdf/PDF_06_040_2.pdf www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/11/SPOTLIGHT-%20Incitement-%20Antisemitism%20and%20Hatred%20of

They see Zionism as a way of saying Jews instead. It's like the same thing for them, Zionist, Jews, there's no difference. They've even used the Quran's passages like Koran 5:60 and just replaced "Jews" with "Zionism"
User avatar #292 to #291 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. Suffice to say both the Hamas extremist government and the Zionist Israeli government are assholes trying to brainwash the people into hating the other side.

That being said, Palestine has more of a reason to hate Israel than Israelis have to hate Palestine. Palestine are occupied, contained, policed, bombed and shot at and forced out of their homes. The Israeli government is the aggressor.
#293 to #292 - finni (02/11/2013) [-]
"Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people." It represents Gaza.

The Israeli government only wants to take out terrorists that are shooting rockets at them. Israel does a lot to avoid civilian casualties, while Hamas uses their own citizens, mostly children as human shields.

The Palestinans have full right to vote in their own elections in Gaza and in the West Bank, Israel does not prohibit this, although it is not sure if you could call them democracies because of that.

Besides, before 1967, Israel had no control over Gaza or the West-Bank and they still got bombed the hell out of and if Palestine were to become a state, it would just be another **** hole with women oppression, homosexuals being executed, Christians and Jews living as dhimmis and so on, so not much freedom, yet that's what all Pro-Palestinians (aka Anti-Israel) people say they want.

I would support the two state solution if I for a second believed that the Palestinians would accept it and make peace with Israel, but it's not a realistic solution since they'd never agree to it.
User avatar #135 to #133 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
Please stop calling it the israeli-palestinian conflict... I do not, and nor does my country, have a conflict with imaginary people.
#175 to #135 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
Hi I'm a Palestinian, just here to say that we do exist but you probably didnt see us past all the military checkpoints and walls Israel built around us. Half my family is in refugee camps because the Israeli military destroyed their houses and built jewish settlements on top. Honestly Israel is just another coloniser like the ottoman empire an british before thats bound to collapse, Israel is digging its own grave, soon it will all be unleashed back on to the european invaders
User avatar #176 to #175 - Haruhi (02/11/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, are you sure you're not a lebanese refugee abandoned by his country to create a political sit storm? Oh wait, you are? That's a shame.
User avatar #178 to #176 - Haruhi (02/11/2013) [-]
Im sorry i made a mistake. *Jordanian refugee.
User avatar #190 to #135 - Ruspanic (02/11/2013) [-]
>implying there weren't Arabs living in the region before the creation of Israel
>implying there aren't currently Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank, with whom Israel is in conflict
User avatar #201 to #190 - Haruhi (02/11/2013) [-]
arabs are not palestinians.
User avatar #203 to #201 - Ruspanic (02/11/2013) [-]
Palestinians are Arabs. That's the name used for the Arabs living in the territories.
User avatar #205 to #203 - Haruhi (02/11/2013) [-]
my point is, there's no such thing as palestinians.
User avatar #207 to #205 - Ruspanic (02/11/2013) [-]
Sorry, I don't know what you're trying to say. There are people living in Gaza and the West Bank. Fact. We call those people Palestinians. Ergo, Palestinians exist. If you don't want to call them Palestinians for some asinine reason, call them Arabs or whatsits or whatever name pleases you. That doesn't change anything.
User avatar #150 to #135 - envinite ONLINE (02/10/2013) [-]
> imaginary people

I see you try defending your country. I don't have any smart arguments right now so I'm not going to argument with your Israeli though.
User avatar #153 to #150 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
Look at the history. Theyre made up.
User avatar #158 to #153 - envinite ONLINE (02/10/2013) [-]
History about Palestine? no
History about Israel? yes

just goddamn what do you learn from Israel school? I heard Israel school brainwashed their kids with false information so they can defend their country at all cost even if that's wrong. Look up the real world and learn, *****
User avatar #173 to #158 - Haruhi (02/11/2013) [-]
Palestine has no history because... It's never existed... I don't know what you were taught.
User avatar #181 to #173 - thatoneiranianguy (02/11/2013) [-]
Palestinians are simply people that lived for a long time the British Mandate for Palestine (and before that Egypt.) that now want to be identified as a people and want freedom.

As Americans, we just sorta made ourselves up didn't we? Came here for new life, technically British citizens. Revolted, kicked the crown out and called ourselves Americans, did we not?
#167 to #158 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
Are you an American Envinite? If you are i'd like to inform you as a fellow American that the United States does not recognize the State of Palestine and neither do many of our allies.
#105 - sirbutterballs (02/10/2013) [-]
Needed some kind of captioning.
User avatar #120 to #105 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
fukkin lol
User avatar #224 - Tsuna (02/11/2013) [-]
/you know what? All of these comments irritate me. I don't care about what happened in the past. I don't care what people say. I'm all for a peaceful solution. I'm just tired about having to go through so many hoops to see my family in Ramallah. I have many Jewish friends, both here in America, and some in Palestine. Most of the troops of the IDF are nice people. Right now, I just want to be able to go visit family. Think in the now. The Israeli settlements are illegal. Also, it seems to be that by 2020, Palestinians will outnumber Israeli Jews. These are just some things I had to get off my chest. I know I'm just a teenager in America, but this still affects me.

Also, Haruhi, please stop saying Palestinians don't exist. I was boring in the last 20 years, and I view myself as a Palestine American. Palestine is now classified as "The State of Palestine", and was moved up to non-voting member of the UN. Whether Palestine existed or not isn't the deal, the deal is that now it does exist, and you need to deal with it.

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#240 to #224 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
The UN might recognize it but many other countries still don't. I personally agree with my country that it was a mistake to move them up.
User avatar #245 to #240 - Tsuna (02/11/2013) [-]
The point of the UN is to promote peace throughout the world, among other things. Your nation may have voted no, however if it's part of the UN then it should abide by what happens.
#14 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
If Israelis are just "settlers in occupied Palestine", than Americans are just settlers in occupied... whatever the Native Americans called the land before they arrived. Except even more so, because when the Europeans came to North America, they pillaged the land, raped the women, and slaughtered the men. The land of Israel (never once recognized as "Palestine") was given to the Jewish people and then fought strictly to keep control of. Oh, and even more so again because, as opposed to when the US gained more land in war and kept it, Israel gained more land in war and then gave it all back (and more) in order to try to establish peace.

But you don't hear about Americans being "settlers" in someone elses land.
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Log in and say that like a man
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#62 to #14 - Bloodgartham ONLINE (02/10/2013) [-]
Giving "America" back? Irelevant at this point: If they did, there wouldn't be enough people to run the country, and most people would starve due to the lack of animals and forrests compared to before.

If Israel gave everything back, how come they now have Palestinian land?

Never once recognized as Palestine? The UN has reports of thousands of Palestinians leaving that area from when the British placed the Isrealis there.



#93 to #14 - roughy (02/10/2013) [-]
That's so ******** . In 1948 the UN gave 51% of Palestine to Israel (second pic), and after wars Israel took more land than they were given in the first place (third pic). But as you can see in the fourth picture the palestine part are becoming smaller and smaller, and why is that? Well, Israelites are founded by Israel to move into palestine areas to spread the Palestine areas (american jews also do this). I am not judging all the inhabitants of Israel, but I am judging the leaders of the country, and the settlers, because they are a big part of the problem for why there isn't peace in that area.
If anyone wants to know more about the basics of the conflict, just ask.

Tl;dr anon is full of ****
#127 to #93 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
The UN plan was denied by the Arabs and supported by the Jews. If the Arabs had supported it those borders would have remained the same but they decided to attack them along with neighboring countries. In the end Israel won the war and even gave back much of the land that it had conquered in that war.
#139 to #127 - roughy (02/10/2013) [-]
I am not saying it was a vice move from some of the arab countries to attack Israel, but for Israel to take to take that much of the country was really not vice. But who attacked Gaza in 2009? And don't say it was because of the rockets the palestines fired at Israel, because then you clearly don't understand the consept of needing food and other important supplies. If you didn't already know this, Israel have blocked out all of Gaza's directly contact with the areas around, for example at sea (which is a violation of UN rules) meaning that in order to get food and cloathing they need to get it from tunnels. And who wants to give away food for free? not many. So Iran has a deal that works this way: Gaza get food and other supplies if they fire rockets from the border to Israel. Meaning they don't have a choice. It is good that you know a little bit about the conflict, but you need a greater understanding of things, from both sides. PS: this isn't nearly all to say about this part of the conflict, but to say all is not possible in 2000 characters.
User avatar #39 - drewbridge (02/10/2013) [-]
The UN and Israel have offered Palestine solutions everyone could've agreed on, that were completely fair. Palestine has turned them down over, and over and over again.
User avatar #151 to #39 - cullenatorguy (02/10/2013) [-]
Well I'd be pretty pissed if someone took over my house and then offered to give me my bedroom back.
User avatar #44 to #39 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well i think it would still come down to the palestinians are still upset over the invasion

kinda like 911....how many americans still ********* about arabs even what....12 years after it hapened
User avatar #46 to #44 - drewbridge (02/10/2013) [-]
No-one here talks **** about arabs. Not that many are butthurt about 9/11, I'd bet you 4/5 people here would laugh then feel terrible, but still laugh.

Besides, Hamas and other dickheaded groups only make **** harder by consistently attacking.
#68 to #46 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
"No one here talks **** about arabs"

Really because I remember recently there was a picture of an innocent girl gunned down, and her father carrying her. You know what a lot of people said "We don't care because they're ************ "
#83 to #68 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
Do you actually think that people hold these racial beliefs in real life? All of the " ****** " comments are just jokes.
User avatar #48 to #46 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
i suspect these smal terrorist cells are just small copies of the alquaeda, and funded by the CIA too
what beter way to keep active USA military presence in the middle east than sponsored terrorists to put on an act
#49 to #48 - drewbridge (02/10/2013) [-]
So, you "SUSPECT" something, so it's true. Ok.


i suspect these smal terrorist cells are funded by Burma for their rubber trees. Nixon is the leader of Hamas, and Obama is really Saddam, who is also phone/potatoe.
User avatar #54 to #49 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
right, so because i dont have access to the government information regarding the secret dealings between usa and terrorist cells, you have a whine

rename yourself to be called trollBridge

its a fact the CIA was responsible for Osama bin laden...youre saying its not possible that there would be other terrorist cells working under usa patronage?
User avatar #72 to #54 - drewbridge (02/10/2013) [-]
So, you're saying that you're probably right based off of nothing but your own speculation, which will be treated by you as irrefutable fact.


So am I!
Nixon did it.
User avatar #76 to #72 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
right, any time someone contradicts what you believe, you troll them

seriously trollbridge, **** off
#123 to #76 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
Take you're weird ******* theories elsewhere you ******* psycho, you'll say next that America didn't land on the moon.
User avatar #259 to #123 - konradkurze (02/11/2013) [-]
right, if usa landed on the moon 40 years ago, why havent they done anything more since
User avatar #99 to #48 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
The terrorist cells like Hamas are FUNDED BY IRAN. THAT IS A KNOWN FACT.
User avatar #103 to #99 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
and where would iran get funds, theyre dirt poor
usa is funneling money to hamas using iran as the middle man to cover it
User avatar #106 to #103 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
The US has placed sanctions on Iran severely limiting Iran, so why would we give them aid money at the same time? You're a hopeless idiot.
User avatar #119 to #106 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
its a term called 'plausible deniability'
do whatever you like under the table as long as you are the opposite in the public eye, you can get away with it
#80 to #44 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
The original Partition Plan for Palestine proposed by the UN was shot down by the Arabs while the jews supported it. Now they palestinians have even less land than what they would have had under that plan.
User avatar #87 to #80 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well theyre pissed off they were getting the **** end of a deal, now theyre even more mad theyre getting even less...its just causing them to carry on
if only obama had the balls to back up his words of saying israel should move back to the original 1969 borders
User avatar #97 to #87 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
WHat the hell are you talking about, **** deal? the 1948 plan gave more than half of modern day israel to the arabs. More than half. The reason why we haven't made peace yet, the ONLY reason, is because arabs hate jews, and want to kill them all. Until all the jews are dead, there will be no peace for them. That is the reality. ******* learn your history before you spew out things that are clearly untrue.
User avatar #108 to #97 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
exact same story can be said for jews
jews hate arabs and there wont be peace till all arabs are dead
User avatar #111 to #108 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
We don't hate arabs. We have arabs serving in our government. We give arabs more rights than any arab country in the world. We accept arabs into our society and give them the same rights and treat them the same way as jews.
User avatar #118 to #111 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
right, then so youre going to just blame the jewish army for all the atrocities committed against palestine...thats not the general feeling of jewish people at large is it
User avatar #122 to #118 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
You talk about palestine like it exists. It does not.
User avatar #260 to #122 - konradkurze (02/11/2013) [-]
it is still a defined space of land with borders, country or not it is called palestine
#104 to #87 - John Cena (02/10/2013) [-]
They thought it was a ****** deal, but based on what happened it was a very good one for them. I think returning to the 1969 borders would not be fair.
#191 - sevenscars (02/11/2013) [-]
was going to participate in a little debate down in the comments but after a little scrolling....
was going to participate in a little debate down in the comments but after a little scrolling....
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#180 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
in the Jewish religion their not even aloud to have the state of Israel so this Israel is built off a lie anyways they just illegally expand for their Zionist needs, even Rabbi's oppose the state of Israel it's imply bombing Palestine claiming there terrorists then building over the Palestinian land to have more Jewish settlements, they put walls all around Palestine they set military checkpoints every where for what 'terrorists' odd the tsa at airports hasn't ever caught a terrorist no seems to have proven someone to be a terrorist simply just pure racism for oil money and power, saying there's no palestine well there's no ******* Israel either says so in the torah to never build Israel again till god says so, pretty ******* sure the country has the biggest religious backround from King david to Jesus to now even if you aren't religious. It is said they can never restore Isreal and they are so **** the jews
User avatar #223 to #180 - waaw (02/11/2013) [-]
A few minor corrections about the Judaism parts of your post. Not commenting on the actual Arab-Israeli conflict parts.

1) This is oversimplified, but Judaism can be split into 4 main group in terms of religiosity. In terms of how strict they are, it goes Reform < Conservative < Orthodox < Ultra Orthodox. Reform generally believes Israel is no longer significant. Conservative and Orthodox support the state of Israel. Ultra Orthodox is against it because they believe it should only happen when the Messiah comes.

2) It never says not to rebuild Israel. It just says that God exiled the Jews and that they will eventually come back. For those of us who still care about Israel, the main debate is whether we need the Messiah as a sign to rebuild it, or rebuilding it will be the sign that Messiah is coming
User avatar #124 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
OP is just a conspiracy theorist who hates Jews and deletes comments when he gets proven wrong.
User avatar #211 to #124 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
OP doesn't hate Jews or the people of Israel. OP hates the Israeli government. It is hardly a conspiracy theory. It is more like the blinding of the truth by leaving out one side of the argument entirely and passing it off as the whole truth. It is called propaganda. It is called brainwashing. And America, and most other countries have perfected it.
#227 to #211 - chrisf (02/11/2013) [-]
exactly all western countries have perfected propaganda through the news and other media and know exactly how to turn and stir the wests emotions and views for their own zionism needs
User avatar #236 to #227 - Haruhi (02/11/2013) [-]
The western media hates Israel though... so your theory doesnt make any sense.
#195 - UnoSkullmanx (02/11/2013) [-]
Awesome, more propaganda thumbed up by children who don't even understand what's being told to them.
#196 to #195 - UnoSkullmanx (02/11/2013) [-]
Instead of supporting a Jewish democracy that doesn't support the oppression of Women and homosexuals, we should replace them by Muslim extremists who would happily see America and Britain burn in a nuclear hellfire, who openly support the killing and genocide of "inferior" people, etc.
User avatar #200 to #196 - eight (02/11/2013) [-]
Implying that all Muslims are extremists? Wrong. A very small percentage of them, likely less than 1% are extremists.
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#231 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
if you were from another planet and came to earth and saw the conflicts with a fresh un biased view, you would see a bunch of people bombing the middle east and not much fight coming back in return you would think the western countries are evil and not the middle east. You would see illegal expansion rigged elections and assassinations in western countries and in the middle east you'd see innocents getting bombed daily military checkpoints not allowing food into their countries and making the rules, you would instantly think Israel and the west were some kind of god over the world that has power of everything, that's sad because that's the way people that are new here would see it, sadly people of the world can't see it because were to busy having to much SWAG and getting hammed and partying and only listening to news that we aren't even asking the innocent civilians of Palestine
#238 to #231 - John Cena (02/11/2013) [-]
I think they would die of laughter watching hundreds of people walk around a rock.
#86 - tommyymmot (02/10/2013) [-]
Both sides have done bad things for ***** sake. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are in the right, so stop trying to gain a moral high ground.
User avatar #90 to #86 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
both sides are corrupt and evil, just sometimes someone needs to speak up the other side
#101 to #86 - lesmiserables (02/10/2013) [-]
"Both sides"? There's so many different "sides" of the conflict. There's
the Jewish settler, who actually doesn't want all that occupied land, but just want his own country and peace,
the Hamas "terrorist", who watched Israeli bombs blow his family to pieces and now wants revenge,
the Palestinian child, who is a refugee, and live in Gaza, one of the most dense populated areas in the world
and many other "sides". Civilians are always the victims of war.
#136 to #101 - tommyymmot (02/10/2013) [-]
Okay, it's more complex than how I conveyed it. That doesn't change what I mean though. It's a situation where powers are fighting for what they respectively believe is a 'just cause' and refusing to accept that they are doing anything wrong. As a result of this people are dying.
#152 to #136 - lesmiserables (02/10/2013) [-]
It's a bit more complicated than that since one of the powers have chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and the other side has rocks, but you have a point. Hamas' whole policy is based upon the destruction of Israel and they are only causing their own people more harm by continuing to fight against a force that they had no chance of defeating to begin with.
#25 - Xepheros (02/10/2013) [-]
Two state solution. That is all.

Also, you can't really deny how Israel has been constantly expanding its borders since its modern inception. They both have a right to exist, they do not, however, have the right to kill eachother over it.
User avatar #26 to #25 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
could be better for someone to step in, bitchslap both israel and palestine, tell them neither gets gaza and just make gaza an independent nation on its own
#28 to #26 - Xepheros (02/10/2013) [-]
That wouldn't really work. The people of Gaza are patriots loyal to Palestine. What would work, however, is giving back a part of that area to Palestine and try to help fight the islamist extremists working in the area by implementing a working government.
User avatar #134 to #28 - Haruhi (02/10/2013) [-]
We already tried to have a working government for the palestinians.. The PA... And they regularly support the terrorist organizations in teh region... When the government you are trying to make peace with regularly meets with people who's sole existence is to kill every member of your race, you don't really think they're looking for a 2 state peaceful solution
User avatar #32 to #28 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
yeah but then who picks said working government....the actual people of the land who know how to deal with the situation....or some american hand-picked bunch of lackeys.....
kinda of obvious which it would be
#34 to #32 - Xepheros (02/10/2013) [-]
Neither. I think the United Nations should pick a government. Definately not the US. The US is pro-israeli in general, and cannot be counted on to further Palestinian interests.
User avatar #42 to #34 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well Britain is the reason for putting the jews in the middle east in such large numbers so if they play a part in the UN its still going to be pro-israeli
#45 to #42 - Xepheros (02/10/2013) [-]
Well that's true. I suppose there isn't anyone that's actually completely neutral in this conflict. Most countries seem to de-facto be either pro-palestine or pro-israeli. Generally speaking, I suppose I'm pro-palestine as well, but I do not resent Israel nor do I deny their right to exist. This really is an insanely complex conflict.
User avatar #47 to #45 - konradkurze (02/10/2013) [-]
well i think things should have been as they were under the ottoman empire and before...

the land used to be largely muslim/islamic, with other religions, jews included, as religious minorities in the land but still citizens

the conflict we have today is because in the 40's, britian stepped in and said "this land here is ONLY for the jews"
thats kinda comparable to if today, some outsider decided to take part of california and say "this is ONLY for the mexicans"
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#29 to #27 - Xepheros (02/10/2013) [-]
Not really. The entire west bank area could be autonomous, but in the hearts of the people it'll always be palestinian. The biggest issue is ******* Hamas.
#31 to #29 - Xepheros (02/10/2013) [-]
Most of the conflict could be neutralized to a certain degree if we actively remove Hamas from any real power, and fight against Israeli expansionism as well. Like I said, the two state solution is the only real solution, but it cannot be achieved when Hamas is in power and when the zionist extremists refuse to acknowledge Palestine.
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