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#178 - notsain (04/05/2012) [-]
This man blindly obeyed orders to kill hundreds of people, trained him self so he could continue to kill, and people call him a "GOD".
User avatar #211 to #178 - nycdood (04/05/2012) [-]
Killing people may be wrong, but sometimes it is necessary. I used to believe that it was ALWAYS avoidable, but it isn't, and I accepted that unfortunate truth. I think he said that ("I was just doing what I was told") as most soilders do: to avoid the guilt. I'm sure he felt bad at some level, and at most points in his life. Look at it this way: at least he didn't use his incredible skill (and sniping is an incredible skill) to murder civilians. Snipers do purposefuly target civilians a lot more than most people would like to admit...
User avatar #424 to #211 - notsain (04/06/2012) [-]
There is no justification to take a life. It is sad that you do not see that there is always an option. Perhaps more spiritual, and more sophisticated than you can accept. If the armies of two nations put down their guns and refused to fight, there would be no war. It is a corrupt world that we find ways to justify monstrous acts. Simply saying "Thats a bunch of nonsense, things just can't be like that." does not make it right. We as a people will no longer follow blindly to the man in front of us when we open our eyes, although...that is proving harder than imagined. To sum it up. Men and women and signing up world wide to arm them selfs with deadly instruments in case their "leader" finds reason to take life's. It is their option not to....and yet millions take barrels in hand.
User avatar #576 to #424 - nycdood (04/07/2012) [-]
I hold this view because of the evidence I find through out history. Take ancient Mediterranean history, the Romans to be specific (although, any ancient Mediterranean nation is applicable). To the ancient Romans, warfare was a part of life. A portion of their mythos was devoted to war (Mars, the God of war). In fact, that's true of most ancient cultures.. You see the pattern forming? The Romans needed no justification of war other than the advancement of themselves.

Need more living space? Conquer the barbarians. Need more slaves? Conquer the barbarians. Need more resources? Conquer the barbarians. The reason humans don't behave like this anymore is because there is such an abudence of resources that we don't need to be so vicious to one another. That, and our economic structures don't require slaves anymore. If you don't beieve me, go and look at current events where a diverse group of people coexist in an enviorment where resources are scarce. The Balkans is a prime example. My family is from the Balkans, so I understood human nature from a young age.

The question is this: if someone is determined to see you destroyed, what choice do you have but to destroy them? It is a terrifying concept, I know, but hope isn't completely lost. The fact that the world today is so peaceful (and it is peaceful relatively speaking) is testiment to our ability for peace. Can things go wrong in the future? Yes, but it might not. So don't be too sad of the state of human affairs; rather, take comfort in the fact that it isn't anything new.

P. S. I'm sorry if this comes off over-simplified, I can't write a whole thesis paper here, even though I kind of did lol. Also, I never said killing is justified, only necessary.

P. P. S. Sorry for any gramatical errors.
User avatar #586 to #576 - notsain (04/14/2012) [-]
If some one is to see you destroyed, there is always more you can do than just to see them destroyed as well. To be passive does not entirely mean 'not to use force' but to contain the problem with out getting rid of it. All things die of nature, there is no need to force nature on to an individual. I believe if we all were giving a chance to think on the actions we've made, the things we've said, and who we've become...no matter how villainous...we would see truth. We are all human after all.
User avatar #587 to #586 - nycdood (04/14/2012) [-]
Agreed. I just don't know if that is always possible. Take murderers for example: they are a extreme case of violent behaviour, but it does show that on some level, humans are instinctively vicious. You're right though, we should at least exhaust all peaceful options first. I also believe that most people would rather choose peace over violence.

User avatar #441 to #424 - franklyimaperson (04/06/2012) [-]
There are circumstances in which taking a life is validated, some of them are far weaker then others, but to say that we can just drop violence is insane, as a species we are hardwired to survive, nothing will ever change that, and as long as there is something worth having, as long as there is a different view point, as long as we are diffrent, violence can never end.
User avatar #585 to #441 - notsain (04/14/2012) [-]
The only thing that will change our desire of hatred that fuels killing (among other things) will be only if we do "just drop it". Some times the only way forward is a hard left turn.
User avatar #588 to #585 - franklyimaperson (04/14/2012) [-]
Except that, no, as a species we can't just drop it, even if we do, we would only be successful for but a while, if at all, before we pick it back up like a neurotic mess.

We will eventually run out of X, making us wage entire wars over claiming what is left, outa simple need. Even if we some how reached some state like the ayran race, where we are all blonde haired and blue eyes, as long as anyone can find anything different about something; Height, Weight, Left Handed, Right Handed, the size of your hands. Conflict and segregation can happen
User avatar #188 to #178 - dirigiblequixote (04/05/2012) [-]
A post on FJ that doesn't blindly support militaristic machoism? I hope you're okay with red thumbs.

I agree with you, though. He was very skilled with a gun, but that doesn't makes someone a good person, let alone a god.
User avatar #426 to #188 - notsain (04/06/2012) [-]
People will thumb down comments that don't agree with their parents beliefs.
User avatar #185 to #178 - kingofnewyork (04/05/2012) [-]
I kind of agree with you. Just because he belonged to the "right side" of the war means he can be glorified. A guy who killed over 200 people "because he was told to do so". Makes you think really.
User avatar #431 to #185 - notsain (04/06/2012) [-]
Indeed, and he is not the only one "just following orders".
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