Death By Utopia. . In 1953, scientist John B. Calhoun created an experiment to see how mice would behave in a utopia. He introduced q breeding pairs of mice int

Death By Utopia

In 1953, scientist John B. Calhoun created an experiment to
see how mice would behave in a utopia. He introduced q
breeding pairs of mice into a 9. 7 metre square with 1. high
walls, no scarcity, no predators. After 1: 34 days they adjusted
to the new world and the population began to grow, doubling
every 55 days. By day 315 the population reached Emil. Then
population growth began to decline and the mice? society
collasped. Young were expelled before they had been
properly weaned and were arbitrarily attacked and eaten by
Ext es sive aggressive male mic e. Females became more
aggressive, males became passive, not
retaliating to attacks. The last healthy birth came on the
sooth day. Then there were no new mic e.
Then came the ‘beautiful ones', which withdrew themselves
ever so quietly from the sick society. Solitary pursuits began
to define them; eating, drinking and grooming among
others. Ho scars on their back or hairs , these
mice behaved like a separate race. They saw the world
through their narrow scopes, as they tossed, turned and
tried to cope.
There' s a reason we' re
becoming statistically less
socail in first world
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User avatar #1 - merpdederp (09/03/2013) [+] (11 replies)
#66 - skysailor (09/03/2013) [-]
**skysailor rolled a random image posted in comment #5998373 at Admin's personal trolling board. ** Why I am antisocial.
#138 to #66 - anon (09/04/2013) [-]
because you're a molester?
#28 - infinitereaper (09/03/2013) [-]
>Implying we live in a world anywhere near a utopia

But how bout a joke?

So you're saying the problem is overpopulation...
User avatar #36 to #28 - foelkera ONLINE (09/03/2013) [-]
Hitler had the right ideas, just the wrong demographic
User avatar #53 to #36 - Mahazama (09/03/2013) [-]
Chances are he wouldn't see you fit into his worldview, or make a real contribution to the Reich.
So you're right! We should start with you, unreine bauer.
Time to get gassed.
User avatar #57 to #53 - nervaaurelius (09/03/2013) [-]
It sorta annoys me seeing these angst filled cynics who feel the need to wipe out any population.
User avatar #58 to #57 - Mahazama (09/03/2013) [-]
Odds are some of the idiots who call for ethnic cleansing would end up getting cleansed themselves, were it to come to it.
User avatar #35 to #28 - rapedthebed (09/03/2013) [-]
Compared to other animals we have it easy. We are virtually out of the food chain.
User avatar #117 to #35 - ilovehitler (09/04/2013) [-]
That doesn't make it a utopia, though.
Utopia is perfection, and while first world countries are pretty great, they are not perfection.
User avatar #168 to #117 - rapedthebed (09/04/2013) [-]
Agreed. I was saying that compared to other animals, it's perfection.
User avatar #2 - thesaurus (09/03/2013) [-]
those effects were mostly a result of overpopulation, the initial object of Calhoun's investigation, not from living in a "utopia"
#6 to #2 - flyslasher (09/03/2013) [-]
Overpopulation would be an effect of a Utopia.
User avatar #7 to #6 - captnnorway (09/03/2013) [-]
Wouldn't be a utopia if it was overpopulated.
User avatar #8 to #2 - ewl ONLINE (09/03/2013) [-]
according to the video (posted 5 hours after this comment), the utopia could have housed 3000 mice, however tapered off and they started dying at 2200. wasn't a result of over population.
#31 - dross (09/03/2013) [-]
Except 99% of the populous of the 'first world countries' have never been forced into a corner for lack of food or resources. They've never had their new-born children destroyed by the government/a tangled mass.

I get where this is coming from, but it doesn't exactly justify my lurking on a website on a Tuesday night with a couple of beers and headphones on....
#106 to #31 - anon (09/04/2013) [-]
i dont care
User avatar #54 to #31 - Mahazama (09/03/2013) [-]
Don't mind OP, he's just Dr. Edge that thinks he's the next big social anthropologist or some ****
User avatar #126 - toadkillerdog (09/04/2013) [-]
that would make us........the beautiful people...the beautiful people....
User avatar #129 to #126 - dharkmoswen (09/04/2013) [-]
HOW has this NOT gotten more thumbs?!
User avatar #133 to #129 - mayormilkman (09/04/2013) [-]
It was posted 23 minutes ago. When you replied to him, he posted nine minutes prior to your reply.
User avatar #137 to #133 - dharkmoswen (09/04/2013) [-]
User avatar #131 to #126 - lolwutthef (09/04/2013) [-]
dude... **** . O.O
User avatar #140 to #126 - waterbottlemanboy ONLINE (09/04/2013) [-]
Is that what the song's about?
User avatar #141 to #126 - priestoftheoldones ONLINE (09/04/2013) [-]
Most children in 'Murica are being born as Indigo children, and our society is collapsing. Mother of god.
User avatar #143 to #141 - iwaspromisedcake (09/04/2013) [-]
Where was 'Murica mentioned?
User avatar #144 to #143 - priestoftheoldones ONLINE (09/04/2013) [-]
By me because this country is having a collapse any time now, so did the mouse, colony, thing.
User avatar #145 to #144 - iwaspromisedcake (09/04/2013) [-]
I'm not trying to argue but I'm actually interested in hearing why you think that
User avatar #146 to #145 - priestoftheoldones ONLINE (09/04/2013) [-]
About? There are two current topics.
User avatar #147 to #146 - iwaspromisedcake (09/04/2013) [-]
Why you believe the US is on the verge of collapse
User avatar #148 to #147 - priestoftheoldones ONLINE (09/04/2013) [-]
Haven't you noticed whats been happening? Economy is **** , like, smelly, squishy **** , the worst type of **** . And that has been getting worse, and worse. Which will lead to a social collapse soon if it isn't fixed, and so far it hasn't been fixed.
User avatar #150 to #148 - animationhac ONLINE (09/04/2013) [-]
I dont think this posting is about America but as the world as a whole...
User avatar #149 to #148 - iwaspromisedcake (09/04/2013) [-]
Just seems a bit of a jump to say the poor economy will lead to a societal collapse. The economy has been worse before and even during this current decade. Are there any statistics to support your claim?
User avatar #152 to #149 - priestoftheoldones ONLINE (09/04/2013) [-]
Well why I say that is, the economy has been bad for a while now, and nothing has been done about, that was a success, and if it keeps up like this, in which I think it will, stuff'll happen, and with a economy collapse, *Which I think will happen* will lead to rioting 'n stuff. I don't have anything to back up my claims, but there is stuff too, I just don't have any to show you.
#157 to #152 - iwaspromisedcake (09/04/2013) [-]
The economy was pretty bad but as the graph shows, following the 2009 collapse, the US' GDP stabilized reasonably well and is currently on the upswing. The economy isn't as bad as fox news would have you believe and if people didn't riot in 2009 it's going to take something big to cause the collapse that you believe is impending. Nevertheless, I respect your opinion and appreciate hearing another side of it.
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User avatar #71 - ubercookieboy ONLINE (09/03/2013) [-]
Something I ripped from Wikipedia:

"Making the leap from mouse to man, however, was not so simple. “This is where it gets controversial,” Dr. Edmund Ramsden of the University of Exeter and the London School of Economics said, describing how other scientists tried to replicate Calhoun’s results in human populations. He cited psychologist Jonathan Freedman's experiment, where he recruited high school and university students to carry out a series of experiments that measured the effects of density on behavior. He measured their stress, discomfort, aggression, competitiveness and general unpleasantness. When he declared to have found no appreciative negative effects in 1975, the tide began to turn on Calhoun’s utopia. Freedman’s work, Ramsden noted, suggested that density was no longer a primary explanatory variable for society’s ruin. A distinction was drawn between animals and humans. “Rats may suffer from crowding; human beings can cope...Calhoun’s research was seen not only as questionable, but also as dangerous."
User avatar #52 - thebestpieever (09/03/2013) [-]
Yeah. I really don't care what people think about this, but the text itself is awfully redacted. So here is some nicely done version courtesy of wikipedia: Initially the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly. The last surviving birth was on day 600. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against. After day 600 the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed “the beautiful ones”.
#73 - thebritishguy (09/03/2013) [-]
Awesome story, now who can tell me how much of it is 			********		?
Awesome story, now who can tell me how much of it is ******** ?
User avatar #50 - Ardoyanconorvich (09/03/2013) [-]
Utopia to mice is female dominance and child abuse?
#12 - lovetruth (09/03/2013) [-]
What puke inducing propaganda.
User avatar #5 - akho (09/03/2013) [-]
Well, too bad we have free will and could change how we act.

Worse is that most of us don't.
#63 to #5 - anon (09/03/2013) [-]
>"free will" lol, grow up
#90 - jawnsky Comment deleted by merpdederp [-]
#79 - anon (09/03/2013) [-]
Mice = humans, especially in mental capacity.
#55 - anon (09/03/2013) [-]
I liked this only because of the scientific implications. not for the comment at the end.
User avatar #114 - ilovehitler (09/04/2013) [-]
I think there's a bit more to consider, though.
1. The size of the cage stayed that size, and a population of over 600 mice is easily enough to cause some problems in a cage that big. Of course it began to decline.
2. That's a lot of inbreeding. That'll obviously cause some problems.
3. Humans, while sharing many traits with mice, are not mice.
4. He didn't give them a utopia, obviously. He couldn't, as the technology simply didn't, and still doesn't exist.
5. Humans have technology such as computers, video games, e books, and a plethora of other things that all contribute to our depleting socialness.
6. While we are becoming less social in the 'real' world, we are making up for a lot of that with being social online.
User avatar #123 to #114 - radtroll (09/04/2013) [-]

but still, they had enough food, why did they kill each other and why did the females rule? I wonder.
User avatar #128 to #123 - ilovehitler (09/04/2013) [-]
Insanity due to overpopulation and inbreeding, maybe.
User avatar #64 - commontroll (09/03/2013) [-]
Implying we're the ones that are the "beautiful" ones...
#38 - johnpoppy ONLINE (09/03/2013) [-]
One problem, we aren't mice.
#17 - themonkeyfrompluto (09/03/2013) [-]
Mice and rats are often used because they resemble us so well. Even thou " we have free will, humans still live as a group and act like a group, it always has been like that.
And like these mice we can't handle living in the unnatural way we live like now. There are too few dangers and diseases so we spread and breed. All the land has already been claimed so we started making wars with eachother all the time. the world wars etc.
We came to a steady halt because of alliance's and the UN. But this isn't the case in less developed country's and we can't be sure this will be the case when those country's reach equilibrium (sorry for my spelling) When all the land is divided and everyone has put their ground to maximal use, will we behave the same way rats and mice do? Or do we prove ourselves as being the first earthly species capable of more than what is natural, making us supernatural?

This problem is still far away and we will probably be wiped out by other things we have brought upon ourselves but still....
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