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#14 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
When I'm left to play support I always play Nidalee, they can't bitch because I heal them and the more AP I get the better off we are as a whole.
User avatar #60 to #14 - babyanalraper (04/15/2013) [-]
Okay, for everyone debating: Nidalee support is viable in solo/duo, but not in full teams or competetive. This is because she works in lane, but doesn't fit any team comps later on in the game (if you have a poke-team you should pick someone who can disengage). Due to her lack of CC a skilled co-ordinated team can capitalize on her weaknesses, but in the more chaotic solo que she might win the game with her spears.
#67 to #60 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
Very true, however she is quite viable as a chaser and a engagement disengager(That probably isn't the best way to put it but by that I mean a well thrown spear can not only hunt down low health individuals but it can also be thrown at an attempt to engage the team battle, and if you get the timing and distance right to hit the ADC or their sup hard they most of the time will back up and not even get to retaliate, therefore you get free pokes.) She doesn't fit perfectly with anyone which is another place you're definitely right but can be effective at disrupting the enemies ganks moreso than almost any other champion, and also at defending jungle. The reason for this is because of her Bushwack trap, it cost very little mana and can be placed everywhere to warn of impending ganks or scare the enemy jungler, combine that with the short CD on Pounce that allows you to jump certain walls and clairvoyance and she grants excellent map control.
#70 to #67 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
Her global presence is also only matched in my personal opinion by Shen(With teleport, of course).
User avatar #178 to #70 - babyanalraper (04/15/2013) [-]
The more wards, the less presence for Nida, and as we all know, solo queue tends to have fewer people warding. Likewise, people in solo que are generally worse at dodging, especially if you compare it to competetive. Nidalee's main issue, however, is that she needs ap to work mid and late game, and thus she won't be able to build support items that the team desperately needs, and if she doesn't gain gold from assists early her spears won't do high damage enough. She is good as a supporting ap-carry, but she'll never be good as a regular support. I don't think that she's viable in competetive or any co-ordinated 5vs5, but if you have a supportive jungler, or possibly top-laner, then she is great bot.
#179 to #178 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
I have to agree with you 100%. She works very well for me as a supporting ap-carry but you're absolutely right when you say I won't be able to support my team as well if I focus AP. I just generally get paired with so-so people and I can tell early game if they're going to be effective late game and build myself accordingly, most of the time, sadly, I can't build straight support or the team as a whole actually suffers(Ironic, right?) but if our ADC is worth supporting I build straight support, it's just not often I find an ADC that's worthwhile.

I always buy wards, and throw the wards up to warn against ganks on lane but not enough wards to cover jungle as well which is where I pay by Bushwackers.

Solo que, as you said, Nid is wonderful because it takes skill to use and to beat which turns it into, usually, just who is plain better, which is how I like to fight. I'm 90% of the time running bot as well so you hit the nail right on the head there, I never use her to jungle or top(Shen is my go-to top man, and I like Jax/Skarner for jungling)
#48 to #14 - dirtycopgangsta (04/15/2013) [-]
If you ever want to be useful as AP support Nidalee, you must remember this one thing: Play another champion.

Srsly, don't be that guy, nobody likes that guy.
#50 to #48 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
Most of the time, yes, no one likes an APNid running sup, and the majority of times at the beginning of the game people are disgusted I decide to build that way. However, at the end of the game, when they go back and look at who did the most to pull to team and who pushed into their Nexus the hardest, they reconsider disliking me.
#22 to #14 - jinkazama (04/15/2013) [-]
>building AP
>you're doing it wrong. And "Oh it makes my heal better is a stupid excuse" Items that buff your team are what you need as support. Building AP is just playing badly
User avatar #61 to #22 - schneidend (04/15/2013) [-]
> gaming
> dictating how others play
#154 to #61 - jinkazama (04/15/2013) [-]
When it's a competitive game and you hurt your teams chances by playing ineffectively my point stands valid.
User avatar #159 to #154 - schneidend (04/15/2013) [-]
New strategies don't get discovered if you never experiment. More importantly, it's only "less effective" if it actually is less effective in the hands of a given player, and not just because people who use cookie-cutter builds can't play it effectively. This goes for any game, not just LoL.
#222 to #159 - jinkazama (04/16/2013) [-]
its not about it being new. It's a commonly played mistake. It simply doesn't work. AP is nothing without gold and you can't get much playing as a support. Your damage falls off quickly and you can't support your team with buff items. You become about as effective as someone who has been afk for half of the match
User avatar #223 to #222 - schneidend (04/16/2013) [-]
I'm sure some people manage to run it just fine. People say stuff like this all the time. "Melee doesn't work in Mass Effect 3," they say, or "You can't do well in Dark Souls PvP without the ninja flip ring." And yet, people constantly run contrary to that and do just fine. Don't get caught up in cookie-cutter build logic or thinking that some prevailing notions are in any way factual or objective.
#224 to #223 - jinkazama (04/16/2013) [-]
You clearly don't play LoL.

There are 4 sources of gold in the game.
each lane is one source each and the jungle is the fourth source. The support makes the sacrifice of not killing minions in lane and not taking any kills so that the AD carry can become more powerful without sharing gold, as AD carries are the strongest late game. The support buys gold generating items and support items that do things such as buff your team or give map visions as they cost less and are effective.

That much is literally just math. If your support is taking minions/kills and not doing their usual job then the other AD carry will become more powerful is just a few short minutes. Then they can kill both of you easily with any set up from their support. Again, this is just the math behind the gold generating and building portion of the game surrounding the bottom lane which consists of an AD carry and a support.

I play unheard of builds all the time. Hell, i was one of the first ever people to play AP tryndamere long before it was known how broken it was, which lead to his great nerf.

But really, playing AP when you should be playing support just puts your team at a huge disadvantage inarguably. Sure it's possible if your opponents are no good, but what good is that? If you main AP support then once you get to higher tiers of play you will be completely outclassed. That is all i'm saying.
#24 to #22 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
I buy things like Archangel's and SR, I get a PT and then move on to get a RD if my ADC isn't ***** , but if he is I go with that order in reverse and then build mana to keep my sustainability. It works a hell of a lot more times than it doesn't, so I daresay I'm doing alright with it.
#38 to #24 - killerofcows (04/15/2013) [-]
how hard is it to say the item names, none of the acronyms you used are common expect ADC
#39 to #38 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
All the acronyms I use are extremely common because they're the most used items. You probably just don't play enough League's to know what they mean by heart like I do.
#43 to #39 - killerofcows (04/15/2013) [-]
from what i could find I could only assume
SR is shyrilias revere, which I never heard abrivated only ever shyrelias or its full name
PT I couldnt even figure because no item that starts with p has a second part starting with T
RD I figured once I started searching for the others you meant rabadons deathcap, once again something I never heard or seen abrivated, its always rabadons, or deathcap or full name
#47 to #43 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
Well then think harder, you're right about the two but a PT is an easy item to guess, what do most support people think is underrated but is actually one of the better items to go with when your Summon Spell is Heal/Clairvoyance?

Like I said, you just don't play enough to recognize them immediately, especially since you had to search to find what SR and RD meant, lol.
User avatar #165 to #47 - shitinmymouth (04/15/2013) [-]
Seriously, I've NEVER seen anyone shorten Rabadon to RD, nor Shurelya's to SR. And for PT, I neither have a friggin' clue what you mean. And note: I play all 5 roles on ranked, and I sometimes play 10-20 matches a day (usually 5-15), so I'm not just talking out of my arse.
#187 to #165 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
Same here on the roles save ADC, I usually leave the ADC slot open because people tend to prefer that role and I, while pretty good at ADC don't pull out to be the best in top tier, that's why I run sup/AP with Nid. Believe it or not that just simply works for me. I can see why you don't understand the acronyms simply because you play with other people more than likely, like I said before on an earlier post when I say these things my teammates 9/10 of the times immediately know what I mean.
User avatar #219 to #187 - shitinmymouth (04/16/2013) [-]
You still failed to provide answer to the most important question: What the hell is PT short for?? I must know!
#220 to #219 - chancevance (04/16/2013) [-]
A Philosopher's Stone, no one abbreviates it PS because it causes confusion even moreso than PT, I take one Philosopher's Stone and build it into Shurelya's, and take another and build that into Eleisa's to decreases heal/clairvoyance CD.
#81 to #47 - killerofcows (04/15/2013) [-]
what from that I would say elise miracle but how would I get that from PT
I play plenty, never see people mention any of the abrivations, guess I dont see to much peopla talking about what they build however

people in general dont use that much acronyms except adc items
#87 to #81 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
Maybe not the people you play with, but the people I play with all understand what I speak of immediately.

"People in general" is a very iffy statement to use in this situation, like I said maybe not the people you play with. But, generally speaking, 9/10 times I say any of those acronyms my teammates understand what I mean, so I guess it just comes down to the people you generally play with.
#32 to #24 - jinkazama (04/15/2013) [-]
I've made it through many games as AP kayle. It still isn't half as effective as a proper support build.
#33 to #32 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
And that's Kayle, not Nidalee. APNidalee means you're never getting out of a fight with 10%, spearkchucker's galore will end your life and I'm more than capable of landing 90%+ flush, I build enough support to keep my ADC alive and secure any kill he/she cannot. You might be mediocre at APKayle, I'm beast with APNidalee when it comes to bot or mid, that's just how it is, you can disagree all you want but my experience says it's nothing but hot smoke.
#155 to #33 - jinkazama (04/15/2013) [-]
Except you can't get the gold to be an effective AP, and you wont have the items to be an effective support. Also securing kills? It's your job to set up the kills for the adc. If they are getting away you're doing it wrong.

I'm just saying, play it all you want, but at high tier play AP builds just don't work for the support role.
#184 to #155 - chancevance (04/15/2013) [-]
I can see your point, and for the most part you are absolutely 100% right. However, where the line is drawn here comes to the skill of the opposing team and how they can CC me vs my skill at escaping said CC. Like I said, it simply works very well for me and generally pulls my team far, far more than a straight support build.

What works for some may not work for others, with your opinion and corresponding playstyle I of course never recommend this route, but it just happens to work wonderfully for me.
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