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#102 - tonytails
Reply +5
(05/11/2013) [-]
the act of saving buckbeak was something that already happened. THATS why they had to go back in the first place! to save the life that had already been saved by them in the universal relative past, but in their own relative future. they didnt CHANGE the past, they were just seeing to it that the past happened the way it already had.   
it was absolutely known that harrys parents were dead, and if they HAD gone back with the timeturner, then they would have been unsuccessful ANYWAY, because their death is an absolute truth that had already occurred. there was no way to CHANGE the past, only assure that what happened in the past actually happened, because no matter what you did with the timeturner, whatever you did in the past had already happened anyway, and you were going to follow through with whatever you did, whether you wanted to or not.   
THIS is why they couldnt talk to any of their own selves when they went back. it wouldve caused either a paradox, OR they wouldve already met their future selves when they were still relative to the universal relative time.   
THIS is the "Fixed Timeline Theory." the act of saving buckbeak provided enough information for me to understand that this theory is the one used in harry potter.   
(as opposed to the "Dynamic Timeline Theory" as seen in "Back to the Future")
the act of saving buckbeak was something that already happened. THATS why they had to go back in the first place! to save the life that had already been saved by them in the universal relative past, but in their own relative future. they didnt CHANGE the past, they were just seeing to it that the past happened the way it already had.
it was absolutely known that harrys parents were dead, and if they HAD gone back with the timeturner, then they would have been unsuccessful ANYWAY, because their death is an absolute truth that had already occurred. there was no way to CHANGE the past, only assure that what happened in the past actually happened, because no matter what you did with the timeturner, whatever you did in the past had already happened anyway, and you were going to follow through with whatever you did, whether you wanted to or not.
THIS is why they couldnt talk to any of their own selves when they went back. it wouldve caused either a paradox, OR they wouldve already met their future selves when they were still relative to the universal relative time.
THIS is the "Fixed Timeline Theory." the act of saving buckbeak provided enough information for me to understand that this theory is the one used in harry potter.
(as opposed to the "Dynamic Timeline Theory" as seen in "Back to the Future")
#180 to #102 - Brouwera
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
But the thing is, without the time turner Harry and the gang would never have been able to initiate the loop and Harry could not have saved himself from the Dementors. Ergo, his death would be a fixed point. The cyclus must have started at one point, when Buckbeak's death was also a fact. Harry in the book is not the one to initiate the loop, so it is true that in his universe Buckbeak was never dead but INITIALY Buckbeak had to be saved for real.

If we extrapolate this idea, then if Harry would have gone back in time to save his parents, then he would initiate that loop and his parents survival would be as much a fact as Buckbeak's. That's why the third book is flawed imo.
#104 to #102 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply +10
(05/11/2013) [-]
so what you are saying is that his parents' death was a fixed point in time, where as buckbeak's death was a non-fixed point?
so what you are saying is that his parents' death was a fixed point in time, where as buckbeak's death was a non-fixed point?
#173 to #104 - klavi
Reply +2
(05/11/2013) [-]
Buckbeak's survival was a fixed point in time. Try to keep up
#163 to #104 - anon
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
Buckbeak didn't die. When they thought they heard the sound of Buckbeak being decapitated, it was the sound of the executioneer splitting a pumpkin in frustration. Their future selves had already saved him at that point.

In the Harry Potter universe, your fate is predetermined, you are only fulfilling your destiny.
#155 to #104 - icefall ONLINE
Reply +2
(05/11/2013) [-]
Buckbeak never died, Harry thought he did, but after using the time turner it was revealed that Buckbeak was saved by their future selves.
#105 to #104 - tonytails
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(05/11/2013) [-]
the act of harry and company saving buckbeak was a fixed point in time.
the death of harrys parents was a fixed point in time.
all of time is a fixed point in time and cannot be changed. ever.
its the most logical time theory, and one of my favorites.

(and i think doctor who is some sort of hybrid of the fixed timeline theory, and the multiverse theory.)
#106 to #105 - faithrider ONLINE
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(05/11/2013) [-]
i think it's something like that...
i think it's something like that...
#108 to #106 - tonytails
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(05/11/2013) [-]
oh, and my studies on theoretical physics kinda draws some strength and mindpower from me...
oh, and my studies on theoretical physics kinda draws some strength and mindpower from me...
#107 to #106 - tonytails
Reply -3
(05/11/2013) [-]
i still need to start watching that damn show, but i dont know where to start...   
someone told me to begin with the 9th doctor, but i really dont know...   
besides, ive got enough stuff on my plate, what with teaching myself german and esperanto, playing dust: an elysian tale, and watching breaking bad, band of brothers, the original star trek, and of course, all my music writing, practicing, and playing. i dont know where id fit it in...
i still need to start watching that damn show, but i dont know where to start...
someone told me to begin with the 9th doctor, but i really dont know...
besides, ive got enough stuff on my plate, what with teaching myself german and esperanto, playing dust: an elysian tale, and watching breaking bad, band of brothers, the original star trek, and of course, all my music writing, practicing, and playing. i dont know where id fit it in...
#110 to #107 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
definitely start with 9th doctor (beginning of the 2005 series) because i have yet to find a decent source for the original series. they have it on netflix. that's how i saw it. also thepiratebay.sx has most of the series.
#111 to #110 - tonytails
Reply -3
(05/11/2013) [-]
netflix it is then... thats where im watching breaking bad and star trek.
#115 to #111 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
like literally. i just bought a new samsung galaxy sIII mini ( a month and a half ago) and it has more processing power than my current (6 year old) computer...
#113 to #111 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
i figured. i have one but i can't use it because GPU is kill...
#114 to #113 - tonytails
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(05/11/2013) [-]
xbox live, man.
#119 to #114 - faithrider ONLINE
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(05/11/2013) [-]
don't own an xbox. i usually use my phone i am all caught up on my dr who on netflix. but they don't have the new season of matt smith's series because it is still in season. right now i am watching Heroes with my girlfriend. Hiro is my favorite superpower, mainily because there are few people who can follow polt twists, and alternate timelines as well as my girlfriend and i ( dr who helped with that...)
#120 to #119 - tonytails
Reply -4
(05/11/2013) [-]
i wish i had a boyfriend to watch tv with...   
kinda stuck alone... where do you think i have the time to study TWO languages, theoretical physics, and play so many games and watch so many tv shows?
i wish i had a boyfriend to watch tv with...
kinda stuck alone... where do you think i have the time to study TWO languages, theoretical physics, and play so many games and watch so many tv shows?
#121 to #120 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply -3
(05/11/2013) [-]
i didn't know you were a girl...
i didn't know you were a girl...
#123 to #121 - tonytails
Reply -4
(05/11/2013) [-]
im.... not...?   
i would sell my soul to the lowest bidder and endure millenia of torture just to be so, but i am cursed with a horrendously blatant male body.
im.... not...?
i would sell my soul to the lowest bidder and endure millenia of torture just to be so, but i am cursed with a horrendously blatant male body.
#125 to #123 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
i don't usually reuse the same reaction pic... but when i do...
i don't usually reuse the same reaction pic... but when i do...
#126 to #125 - tonytails
Reply -4
(05/11/2013) [-]
non-cross dressing transbi male.
im an interesting breed.
#127 to #126 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
i think Funnyjunk is stealing my brain...
#128 to #127 - tonytails
Reply -3
(05/11/2013) [-]
youre thinking too hard.   
just do what i do.   
...   
...   
<<<THAT
youre thinking too hard.
just do what i do.
...
...
<<<THAT
#129 to #128 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
i try to. thinking is usually a dangerous thing for me.
i try to. thinking is usually a dangerous thing for me.
#130 to #129 - tonytails
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(05/11/2013) [-]
thinking too hard almost got me killed once. i wouldnt suggest it.   
its why i study so much ****. ive made it my life goal to know everything. ever.
thinking too hard almost got me killed once. i wouldnt suggest it.
its why i study so much ****. ive made it my life goal to know everything. ever.
#131 to #130 - faithrider ONLINE
Reply 0
(05/11/2013) [-]
cool...
cool...
#133 to #131 - tonytails
-3
(05/11/2013) [-]
theoretical physics and time anomalies are one of my favorite subjects.   
bringing us back to the original content of this ******* thread... time travel.   
   
so yeah. the harry potter universe exists within its own confined fixed timeline.
theoretical physics and time anomalies are one of my favorite subjects.
bringing us back to the original content of this ******* thread... time travel.

so yeah. the harry potter universe exists within its own confined fixed timeline.