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#186 - anonymous (07/14/2013) [-]
Though the time turner was used to save both Sirius and Buckbeak's lives, it had a limit as to how far it can go back in time. It can only go back not forwards in time and the inscription on Hermione's time turner says "not have I yet runout the Sun". Therefore it can only go back as far as the beginning of the day. Any further time turners were destroyed in the battle in the fifth book/movie in the ministry of magic. And the reason that Hermione no longer has hers is because she returned it to McGonagall when she dropped divination and muggle studies thusly returning her schedule back to normal and her having no more use for it.
#165 - anonymous (05/11/2013) [-]
Yeah, but at the time of them going back, buckbeak hadnt been killed yet......... leaving an opportunity for them to save him

if he'd already been decapitated, decapitated he must stay

User avatar #162 - yunoknow (05/11/2013) [-]
so time traveling in the HP universe is technically just creating a clone who is a day older than you.
User avatar #164 to #162 - wankershimm **User deleted account** (05/11/2013) [-]
no, time in HP is linear, if you try to go back and change something, you will find that you, try as you might, cant change it, in fact, the act of you trying to prevent something, might make it happen.
- so if harry went back to warn his parents, it might be that the only reason Voldemort found them would be because someone (Harry) acidentially showed him where they were, when he came to warn them.
#177 to #164 - Brouwera (05/11/2013) [-]
That's ******** .

Harry even goes back in time to save his own ass. How do you come up with the idea that they can't change anything?

The third book is obviously flawed in that aspect. Harry already experiences the effects of the infinite time loop even before he has begun it and we hear nothing of the time turner after the third book.
#179 to #177 - wankershimm **User deleted account** (05/11/2013) [-]
These are the 3 posibilites for a timetravelers effect on the future. as we see a loop, where harry goes back to save himself, so he can later save himself, we are working with a fixed, linear timeline...

Does that make more sence?
User avatar #181 to #179 - Brouwera (05/11/2013) [-]
That's a nice diagram!

I see your point.

I suppose what I don't like about the fixed timeline is that I don't really think it works that way. But that's not what this discussion is about.
User avatar #182 to #181 - wankershimm **User deleted account** (05/11/2013) [-]
Exactly, i belive in a multiverse theory, but in HP, thats not how it works...
User avatar #185 to #182 - Brouwera (05/12/2013) [-]
Fair enough, thanks for explaining this to me :)
User avatar #158 - wardd (05/11/2013) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsYWT5Q_R_w

hishe always makes a good point
User avatar #157 - Hydrocircuit (05/11/2013) [-]
Buckbeak was never killed. YOu lose.
User avatar #156 - kayzl (05/11/2013) [-]
you could see them but you wouldn't be able to save them
User avatar #153 - Tyfighter (05/11/2013) [-]
Except Buckbeak never died.
User avatar #178 to #153 - Brouwera (05/11/2013) [-]
He never died BECAUSE the future versions of Harry, Hermoine and Ron had ALREADY gone back in time to save him.
User avatar #184 to #178 - Tyfighter (05/11/2013) [-]
Yeha I know. Harrys parents DID die though
User avatar #152 - luthervonappledorf (05/11/2013) [-]
Imagine how long it would take to turn it back enough times to get to the right date and how many times you'd **** up. Also, Voldemorte would still get them to be honest. It's not like he'd see that they aren't there and go 'Oh well' and just leave.
#151 - funkyhamster (05/11/2013) [-]
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User avatar #150 - bloodeyes (05/11/2013) [-]
harry potter = batman, arguments are invalid
User avatar #149 - tiltaz (05/11/2013) [-]
READ ****** READ. NO TL;DR SHIET

Time turner cant change the past.
Even when harry and Hermione went back in time they were'nt changing the past they were partisipating in it again.
So if Harry went back in time to save his parrents he could not.
Same mistake HISHE made.
#148 - cawpikolo ONLINE (05/11/2013) [-]
well to be fair his parents had to die so he would have gotten their protection spell. or else voldemort would have just killed him because he was never his horcrux.
#147 - jazzspeaks (05/11/2013) [-]
That's a fixed point in time! Reality would fall apart!
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User avatar #143 - apollotaren (05/11/2013) [-]
Time travel can be a tricky thing. In Harry Potter, it doesn't seem that it can change the past. With Buckbeak, as well as with Hermione using it during classes, nothing changes after they go back. Hermione was in those classes the whole time, and Buckbeak never died. Harry didn't change his own outcome when he went back in time and saved himself from the Dementors as he had already done that. Travelling back in time, in the HP universe, won't change the past, as the past already happened. So if they were to travel back in time and try to save Harry's parents, something would prevent them from doing that. Or, on the other hand, they may very well cause his parents to die through their own actions. Whatever the case, they won't be able to change things.
User avatar #141 - bothemastaofall (05/11/2013) [-]
Actually... Buckbeak never died.
#122 - hungryforwords (05/11/2013) [-]
Something to consider is that harry managed to defeat Voldemort in the end using the knowledge and experience he gained over the years through his various tragedies and triumphs. Had his parents lived he might have become an entirely different person living an entirely different life. When the prophesied confrontation between him and Voldemort arose he might not have been strong enough to defeat him or might have been susceptible to manipulation and ended up going over to the enemy's side, being that without his parents death he'd have no reason to truly hate Voldemort.
#102 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
the act of saving buckbeak was something that already happened. THATS why they had to go back in the first place! to save the life that had already been saved by them in the universal relative past, but in their own relative future. they didnt CHANGE the past, they were just seeing to it that the past happened the way it already had.   
it was absolutely known that harrys parents were dead, and if they HAD gone back with the timeturner, then they would have been unsuccessful ANYWAY, because their death is an absolute truth that had already occurred. there was no way to CHANGE the past, only assure that what happened in the past actually happened, because no matter what you did with the timeturner, whatever you did in the past had already happened anyway, and you were going to follow through with whatever you did, whether you wanted to or not.   
THIS is why they couldnt talk to any of their own selves when they went back. it wouldve caused either a paradox, OR they wouldve already met their future selves when they were still relative to the universal relative time.   
THIS is the "Fixed Timeline Theory." the act of saving buckbeak provided enough information for me to understand that this theory is the one used in harry potter.   
(as opposed to the "Dynamic Timeline Theory" as seen in "Back to the Future")
the act of saving buckbeak was something that already happened. THATS why they had to go back in the first place! to save the life that had already been saved by them in the universal relative past, but in their own relative future. they didnt CHANGE the past, they were just seeing to it that the past happened the way it already had.
it was absolutely known that harrys parents were dead, and if they HAD gone back with the timeturner, then they would have been unsuccessful ANYWAY, because their death is an absolute truth that had already occurred. there was no way to CHANGE the past, only assure that what happened in the past actually happened, because no matter what you did with the timeturner, whatever you did in the past had already happened anyway, and you were going to follow through with whatever you did, whether you wanted to or not.
THIS is why they couldnt talk to any of their own selves when they went back. it wouldve caused either a paradox, OR they wouldve already met their future selves when they were still relative to the universal relative time.
THIS is the "Fixed Timeline Theory." the act of saving buckbeak provided enough information for me to understand that this theory is the one used in harry potter.
(as opposed to the "Dynamic Timeline Theory" as seen in "Back to the Future")
#180 to #102 - Brouwera (05/11/2013) [-]
But the thing is, without the time turner Harry and the gang would never have been able to initiate the loop and Harry could not have saved himself from the Dementors. Ergo, his death would be a fixed point. The cyclus must have started at one point, when Buckbeak's death was also a fact. Harry in the book is not the one to initiate the loop, so it is true that in his universe Buckbeak was never dead but INITIALY Buckbeak had to be saved for real.

If we extrapolate this idea, then if Harry would have gone back in time to save his parents, then he would initiate that loop and his parents survival would be as much a fact as Buckbeak's. That's why the third book is flawed imo.
#104 to #102 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
so what you are saying is that his parents' death was a fixed point in time, where as buckbeak's death was a non-fixed point?
so what you are saying is that his parents' death was a fixed point in time, where as buckbeak's death was a non-fixed point?
User avatar #173 to #104 - klavi (05/11/2013) [-]
Buckbeak's survival was a fixed point in time. Try to keep up
#163 to #104 - anonymous (05/11/2013) [-]
Buckbeak didn't die. When they thought they heard the sound of Buckbeak being decapitated, it was the sound of the executioneer splitting a pumpkin in frustration. Their future selves had already saved him at that point.

In the Harry Potter universe, your fate is predetermined, you are only fulfilling your destiny.
#155 to #104 - icefall (05/11/2013) [-]
Buckbeak never died, Harry thought he did, but after using the time turner it was revealed that Buckbeak was saved by their future selves.
User avatar #105 to #104 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
the act of harry and company saving buckbeak was a fixed point in time.
the death of harrys parents was a fixed point in time.
all of time is a fixed point in time and cannot be changed. ever.
its the most logical time theory, and one of my favorites.

(and i think doctor who is some sort of hybrid of the fixed timeline theory, and the multiverse theory.)
#106 to #105 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
i think it's something like that...
i think it's something like that...
#108 to #106 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
oh, and my studies on theoretical physics kinda draws some strength and mindpower from me...
oh, and my studies on theoretical physics kinda draws some strength and mindpower from me...
#107 to #106 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
i still need to start watching that damn show, but i dont know where to start...   
someone told me to begin with the 9th doctor, but i really dont know...   
besides, ive got enough stuff on my plate, what with teaching myself german and esperanto, playing dust: an elysian tale, and watching breaking bad, band of brothers, the original star trek, and of course, all my music writing, practicing, and playing. i dont know where id fit it in...
i still need to start watching that damn show, but i dont know where to start...
someone told me to begin with the 9th doctor, but i really dont know...
besides, ive got enough stuff on my plate, what with teaching myself german and esperanto, playing dust: an elysian tale, and watching breaking bad, band of brothers, the original star trek, and of course, all my music writing, practicing, and playing. i dont know where id fit it in...
User avatar #110 to #107 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
definitely start with 9th doctor (beginning of the 2005 series) because i have yet to find a decent source for the original series. they have it on netflix. that's how i saw it. also thepiratebay.sx has most of the series.
User avatar #111 to #110 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
netflix it is then... thats where im watching breaking bad and star trek.
User avatar #115 to #111 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
like literally. i just bought a new samsung galaxy sIII mini ( a month and a half ago) and it has more processing power than my current (6 year old) computer...
User avatar #113 to #111 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
i figured. i have one but i can't use it because GPU is kill...
User avatar #114 to #113 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
xbox live, man.
User avatar #119 to #114 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
don't own an xbox. i usually use my phone i am all caught up on my dr who on netflix. but they don't have the new season of matt smith's series because it is still in season. right now i am watching Heroes with my girlfriend. Hiro is my favorite superpower, mainily because there are few people who can follow polt twists, and alternate timelines as well as my girlfriend and i ( dr who helped with that...)
#120 to #119 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
i wish i had a boyfriend to watch tv with...   
kinda stuck alone... where do you think i have the time to study TWO languages, theoretical physics, and play so many games and watch so many tv shows?
i wish i had a boyfriend to watch tv with...
kinda stuck alone... where do you think i have the time to study TWO languages, theoretical physics, and play so many games and watch so many tv shows?
#121 to #120 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
i didn't know you were a girl...
i didn't know you were a girl...
#123 to #121 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
im.... not...?   
i would sell my soul to the lowest bidder and endure millenia of torture just to be so, but i am cursed with a horrendously blatant male body.
im.... not...?
i would sell my soul to the lowest bidder and endure millenia of torture just to be so, but i am cursed with a horrendously blatant male body.
#125 to #123 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
i don't usually reuse the same reaction pic... but when i do...
i don't usually reuse the same reaction pic... but when i do...
#126 to #125 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
non-cross dressing transbi male.
im an interesting breed.
#127 to #126 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
i think Funnyjunk is stealing my brain...
#128 to #127 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
youre thinking too hard.   
just do what i do.   
...   
...   
<<<THAT
youre thinking too hard.
just do what i do.
...
...
<<<THAT
#129 to #128 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
i try to. thinking is usually a dangerous thing for me.
i try to. thinking is usually a dangerous thing for me.
#130 to #129 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
thinking too hard almost got me killed once. i wouldnt suggest it.   
its why i study so much 						****					. ive made it my life goal to know everything. ever.
thinking too hard almost got me killed once. i wouldnt suggest it.
its why i study so much **** . ive made it my life goal to know everything. ever.
#131 to #130 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
cool...
cool...
#133 to #131 - tonytails (05/11/2013) [-]
theoretical physics and time anomalies are one of my favorite subjects.   
bringing us back to the original content of this 						*******					 thread... time travel.   
   
so yeah. the harry potter universe exists within its own confined fixed timeline.
theoretical physics and time anomalies are one of my favorite subjects.
bringing us back to the original content of this ******* thread... time travel.

so yeah. the harry potter universe exists within its own confined fixed timeline.
#101 - hoffmeisterh (05/11/2013) [-]
Buckbeak never died they just thought he died due to the view that they had of the execution, everything happened the same for their 'past selves' as it did for them before indicating it is a closed loop, where nothing was really changed, but it required them to believe they needed to change something for them to go back. Another signs of this are the times when the werewolf howls in both the first and second run.
Furthermore some people are talking about Harry 'just deciding to come back to life' and asking why his parents couldn't do that. Well that would be because they did not possess the Deathly Hallows as well as the complete conviction to die at the time of their deaths.
Also I would imagine the deaths of Harry's parents were 1. a fixed point in time, and 2. required in order to fulfill the prophecy to make Harry the chosen one etc. etc. I mean what would you pick; one kids having parents, or the vanquishing of a quasi-immortal evil wizard not only capable of killing 90% of the population, but who actively wants to do so.

tl;dr buckbeak never died because time travel. Killing Voldemort>Harry having parents. Yer a wizard harry.
#103 to #101 - faithrider (05/11/2013) [-]
coming at you bro
coming at you bro
User avatar #118 to #103 - hellsjester (05/11/2013) [-]
don't make him touch you. yah frigidity git.
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