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(untitled). . and my US. History teacher was trying to get us to understand why it was such a big deal that England had put a tax on colonial sugar, and he goes

and my US. History teacher was
trying to get us to understand why it
was such a big deal that England had
put a tax on colonial sugar, and he
goes,
What if you had to pay a tax every
time you logged onto wifi?"
And the whole class just went
and I heard at least have people
whisper "l would murder someone"

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#1 - pokemonstheshiz

Reply+172

(04/23/2014)[-]

well someone pays for your internet usage everytime you use wifi, and that's taxed so...

#16 to #1 - vorarephilia

Reply+32

(04/23/2014)[-]

dump the routers into the ocean?

#61 to #1 - anon id: d6a2ee48

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

well people in classrooms dont have the thought of ever having to pay for anything.
"say what, it costs x ammount? MOOOOM, come here and bring money!"

#18 to #1 - godgem

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(04/23/2014)[-]

Hey!

#19 to #18 - pokemonstheshiz

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

sup my glib glob

#20 to #19 - godgem

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

Got gifted 200k points for no reason the other day. Wbu

#21 to #20 - pokemonstheshiz

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

that's awesome
I stopped playing items, working on developing a pokemon game so that takes up most of my time

#22 to #21 - godgem

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

Ptd?

#23 to #22 - pokemonstheshiz

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

huh?

#90 to #23 - welliguessitsaname

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Pokemon Tower Defense?

#102 to #90 - pokemonstheshiz

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

apparently, though I did not know that was a thing. Thanks, though

#112 to #102 - welliguessitsaname

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

I'm assuming that's what he meant, no problem. PTD is a really fun game, actually.

#17 - earlploddington

Reply+90

(04/23/2014)[-]

cough

#31 to #17 - brothergrimm#173 on commentsRank#173

Reply+44

(04/23/2014)[-]

if it came down to people vs the government, most of the military would probably go AWOL

#32 to #31 - badsamaritan

Reply+8

(04/23/2014)[-]

I agree, and besides more than 70% of the military is from right here in tejas

#33 to #32 - brothergrimm#173 on commentsRank#173

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

i give it 2 years tops. the US is a powder keg

#97 to #33 - commontroll

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Meh. I'd say about 10-20 is most likely for it to happen. We're becoming too polarized.

#42 to #33 - angelious#361 on commentsRank#361

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

can someone share that "usa is gonna fall" pic?

anybody???

#70 to #42 - warnikodinson

Reply+6

(04/24/2014)[-]

This one?

#111 to #70 - angelious#361 on commentsRank#361

Reply+1

(04/24/2014)[-]

yes

#91 to #70 - anon id: 5b1cf707

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Meanwhile in the various mayday protests and occupy *insert city/town* here.

#43 to #42 - ScottP

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

I don't have a pic, but that is basically what my Calculus teacher told us one day during a review session

#46 to #17 - twofreegerbils

Reply+8

(04/23/2014)[-]

Okay, so you think that even 20% of the US military would mindlessly follow orders to kill their fellow countrymen?

And then what if they do? Who wants to rule on a throne of graves? You know nothing, consider suicide.

#62 to #46 - houseofscarlet

Reply+7

(04/23/2014)[-]

Actually, according to the psychological term "obedience", those soldiers just might.

Stanely Milgram's "shock learning" experiment determined that 6/10 people would comply with the orders of someone in higher authority even if it means hurting or killing an innocent person. I'm not saying they would just blindly obey, but they may go a bit too far before they finally stop.

#87 to #62 - brettyoke

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

That test was actually done regarding innocent people from enemy territory. Killing one's fellow citizens and countrymen is a very different story.

#105 to #87 - houseofscarlet

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

The shock learning experiment was a deception experiment where a test subject was told he was inflicting increasing amounts of pain to a stranger he had no prior contact with. People went along with this and as the amount of administered pain increased prerecorded dialog would play to make it sound like the learner was in pain, yet many of the subjects kept flicking switches to inflict more and more pain.

Some subjects even went all the way to the machine's highest pain setting possible, at which point the instructor told them to just keep pushing the same button again and again, and they still did it! Some even laughed inappropriately while doing it.

Of course, no one was actually hurt, but the point remains that many people were willing to inflict pain on someone simply because they were instructed to. Now if they were told to hurt friends or family instead of a complete stranger, that would likely be a different story, but the point still stands.

#106 to #105 - earlploddington

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(04/24/2014)[-]

He even did it in different scenarios like instead of a lab he did it in a crumbly old office building and still about 30% went to the dangerously high levels.

It rose to about 90% when they removed the system of levers and they just had one other person with a button, so they didn't even have to do anything just tell someone else to flick the switch.

And these were civilians. Like, not even military who're obviously going to be way more obedient because they're the ******* military. They are by definition willing to go out there and kill people without questioning their orders. It's in their ******* job description.

cough yay my psychology course was useful for once

#107 to #106 - houseofscarlet

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(04/24/2014)[-]

Psychology is interesting isn't it? All this stuff that you've probably done without even realizing it and now that you're aware of it it's like you're in the Matrix!

#108 to #107 - earlploddington

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(04/24/2014)[-]

Yeap, though I do confess I'm far more interested in reading and thinking about it than genuinely studying it or anything.

It's nice to do something out of character and then be able to go "why did i do that? oh wait it was probably this and this and this"

waaaait are you being sarcastic

#109 to #108 - houseofscarlet

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(04/24/2014)[-]

No, I'm totally serious. I'm right up there with you about reading about it rather than studying it (if it weren't a requirement for my A.A. I probably would have never taken it) but now that I know about this stuff it's pretty cool to observe something someone does and know why they did it even though they don't know themselves.

#110 to #109 - earlploddington

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(04/24/2014)[-]

Oh cool I'm not used to FJers showing that much enthusiasm for anything.

It's also nice to think about what makes people the way they are in general? Like, not just why they do things but what made them the person they are today if you get what I mean?

It is pretty cool. Nearing the end of the course, probably won't bother sitting the exam but the psychopathology section is real interesting, plus I got a cool book reccomendation from a teacher so that was cool.

#51 to #46 - earlploddington

Reply+4

(04/23/2014)[-]

...what?

#71 to #17 - anon id: c1476d79

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Probably not the french, but the Russians or Chinese possibly, I mean even without help the military has not even 1 million members, and not all are combat troops, whereas there's what 50-100 million gun owners? I'm sure not all of them would take part in a civil war but if even 25% joined in it would be many times larger than the current military. And think of the last few wars we've been in, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, basically all lightly armed guerilla opponents and they engaged the entire US army for decades without ever being defeated, and that's with the US bombing random villages, cities, and infrastructure as they pleased, which they wouldn't even consider doing to their own country without causing a massive ********* and emboldening dissent.

#39 to #17 - bootyman

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(04/23/2014)[-]

implying the military wont turn against the government.

#40 to #39 - earlploddington

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(04/23/2014)[-]

implying i have any real opinion on this subject either way

#81 to #39 - anon id: 68bc1fca

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

There's this pesky little thing that high-up military officials get called a "payroll"

#99 to #81 - commontroll

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

And imagine how much more they'll be paid if they lead the coup... all in all, it would be bad for quite a while if there was a civil war. But ultimately the officers don't make up the backbone of the fighting forces we have...

#68 to #39 - ffx

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(04/24/2014)[-]

Ever been to boot camp mate? It's meant to break you mentally and implant in your brain to follow the orders of your superiors. MAYBE they might stop after **** really hits the fan and their loved ones are in danger.

#80 to #68 - anon id: 68bc1fca

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Probably the only time that they'd start thinking something's sketchy is if they were told to go after their own family, at which point that could easily be eliminated and replaced in nazi/early 1900's soviet union style.

#37 to #17 - newdevyx#10 on commentsRank#10

Reply-4

(04/23/2014)[-]

>Implying the US has the greatest military.

#49 to #37 - Ruspanic

Reply+10

(04/23/2014)[-]

It does, though. When you consider size, technology and sheer reach (military bases all over the world) the US military is way above pretty much everyone.

#52 to #49 - epicsawse

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(04/23/2014)[-]

I feel like USA is that 1 kid at school who no one likes but no one wants to do anything because they know they will get ****** up

#53 to #52 - earlploddington

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

You're getting USA and Russia confused again there matey

#56 to #53 - epicsawse

Reply+3

(04/23/2014)[-]

Well there both kinda one in the same except not really at all...

#64 to #56 - earlploddington

Reply-1

(04/24/2014)[-]

yeah they're exactly the same in all ways except all of them

#83 to #49 - anon id: 68bc1fca

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

The thing the US military needs is a major improvement in skill training, rather than spending 90% of training efforts just on toughness.

#38 to #37 - earlploddington

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(04/23/2014)[-]

Which it doesn't, obviously.

Lovely has the best military. "Wars do not make one great" The greatest standing army in the world: Ted from Tesco's.

#45 - pappathethird

Reply+62

(04/23/2014)[-]

#3 - reginleif#75 on contentRank#75

Reply+25

(04/23/2014)[-]

Actually a lot of those taxes were reasonable, considering that the British shelled out some major coinage preventing the French from Frenching up the place.

Reginleif saying something pro-limey? I know I'm scared too.

Problem was that Americans wanted more autonomy, so they made the issue of being taxed without consent demanding Parliament representatives and the such....while impractical the Crown offered no concessions on their part (King George III wasn't the smartest guy, the byproduct of generations of inbreeding and arrogance combined into one autist) and made the problem worse by shutting down elected bodies and generally being a douche.

Then some people got mad, shot at each other, freedom happened, and now more than 2 centuries later, the tables have turned with the US practically paying for European defense.

#5 to #3 - kikisu

Reply+6

(04/23/2014)[-]

They were reasonable, maybe, but they hadn't regulated america in the past, so they were suddenly angry at the interference. Also, they were given no say in what happened to them, which made them angry as well. Its like the spoiled teen whose parents never ever grounded them until they were 16 and the parents decided they needed to start doing chores suddenly.

#92 to #3 - ragingflamingos

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

It was also more than just taxes. Other issues involved the brits doing things such as randomly quartering trooping in people's houses. Could you imagine waking up one morning to discover that your living room had been taking over by a group of soldiers for the next two months?

#72 to #3 - tommythecatt

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

No taxation without representation

#4 to #3 - pjers

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(04/23/2014)[-]

america doesn't pay for European defence it pays for wars it started & then complains about having to pay for them, the EU has a bigger population, military & economy than the USA, more allies, nicer people & a much better science base. face it Europe is a rich Canada with a better climate.

#67 to #4 - meganinja

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(04/24/2014)[-]

>America doesn't pay for European defence
>EU has a bigger ~~population~~, military & economy than the USA they actually do have a larger population
>more allies
>nicer people
>better science base
>Europe is a rich Canada
>better climate

Everything you said there was wrong except for the higher population.

#98 to #67 - anon id: 5b1cf707

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

That's because it doesnt

#101 to #98 - meganinja

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

wut?

#79 to #67 - pjers

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(04/24/2014)[-]

> defence=/= invasion
> EU: $16.566 trillion GDP. USA: 15.684 trillion GDP. (both figures from 2012).
> military is debatable america spends (lots) more but they do most of the fighting in the unpopular wars. I wonder how they afford it with the smaller economy & all.
> more allies: everywhere that speaks English, French, German & most of the ones that speak Spanish & Portuguese + the commonwealth. the USA is allies with the EU & has friendships with a lot of the EU's allies but if it came to it they'd support the EU.
> nicer people: have you not actually met Europeans? The main reason yanks think Europeans are rude is because Europeans are rude to yanks, if you make een the slightest effort to speak the language properly we overflow with help, I grant you France & London.
> better science base: who had creationism go before the highest court in the land?
> Canada 1.821 trillion GDP (same year as the other two) could never support the same level GDP per capita if it had similar population density as USA or EU, they are nicer than both though.
> much more stable climate, warmer too: England is farther north than the contiguous united states we haven't had more that a meter of snow in the 4 years, how was winter BTW?

#86 to #79 - meganinja

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(04/24/2014)[-]

>What? The USA will defend most of Europe if they're invaded by somebody.
>Per Capita figures, the USA highly outnumbers the EU. Even just looking at totals, the USA is almost the same with roughly 200 million less people
>Europe spends roughly half that the USA does on military. A lot of the technology Europeans use comes from America. Granted the UK and France have pretty good training, but their militaries are still much smaller than the USA
>Allies: Lol, not everybody who speaks a similar language is a great ally. Taiwan speaks Mandarin. China speaks Mandarin. They must be allies right? No, the only allies I'd say Europe has is the Commonwealth and perhaps parts of South America. Most of the world hates Europe due to Colonialism.
>nicer people: have you not actually met Europeans? How about you go to Macedonia and say you're Albanian. Europe has free healthcare, so you won't have to pay those nasty hospital bills. I've probably had more interactions with Europeans than you have, provided you live in Europe. And I've had them probably from a more diverse point of view. I've come to the conclusion that people from the Balkans are probably the most racist people I've ever encountered. Western Europeans aren't that much better, nor are Scandinavians. Their racism is normally just more 'refined'.
>better science base: Well the USA has more nobel prizes than any other country. Creationism has nothing to do with the science base. Just because some people in a country are uneducated says nothing about how good the scientists in that country are.
>richer than Canada: Oh so we're comparing total GDP again? Yeah dem half a billion people compared to 30 million people. Oh wait, but you only have 8 times their income for having 17 times their population? Holy ****. Yeah so much richer.
And you said better climate, not warmer or more stable. England's weather in particular is ****, regardless of whether there's snow or not.

#88 to #86 - pjers

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

I'm tired, it's 4am here I'll get back to you in about 8 hours.

#89 to #88 - meganinja

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

mkay, I was about to go to bed as well.

#103 to #79 - damping

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(04/24/2014)[-]

Europeans kill each over over the smallest things. Bosnian war ring a bell? Europeans are the most hate filled racists on earth.

#48 to #4 - damping

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(04/23/2014)[-]

Exactly what allies does the EU have other than the US? Plus, we literally pay for France and Germany's defense. Plus the US leads the world in research and science by far. and has the most Nobel prizes by far. LOL at the French are nice people. Canada is richer per capita than Europe. You are a shining example of European education and all its flaws.

#96 to #48 - anon id: 5b1cf707

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Any sources on france and germany's military being paid by the US? I'm not seeing any

#93 to #48 - anon id: 5b1cf707

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Plus, we literally pay for France and Germany's defense

#94 to #93 - anon id: 5b1cf707

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

wait no

#95 to #94 - anon id: 5b1cf707

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(04/24/2014)[-]

****

#75 to #48 - strobler

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(04/24/2014)[-]

Yeaaahhhhhhh after dumping "European education" in the comments you pretty made yourself a complete retard. MAYBE you didn't know. but Europe isn't one country OMGOMGOGMGOGOG :0 e.g. Finland (a country in Europe no joke! ) has better education than Bulgaria (another country in Europe!!!!!)

But seriously. You should know that America doesn't have the most advanced education system compared to the other developed countries (unless no one informed you of that. Then I wouldn't blame you ~~only your education system HAHAHAHA~~ )

#104 to #75 - damping

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Look at the comment I replied too. It was comparing all of Europe to the US. I did the same. Hard to read? European education shines again.

#114 to #104 - strobler

Reply0

(04/27/2014)[-]

The fact that you used european education 2nd time when addressing me just proves my point

#35 - evilhomer#4 on commentsRank#4

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(04/23/2014)[-]

If someone wanted to assassinate me it would be pretty easy. There could be a tiger on drugs playing heavy metal in my house and I wouldn't give a **** and stay in my room. But if someone were to turn off my WiFi router you could bet your balls I would go and check what the **** is wrong with it.

#41 to #35 - tenfinnvo#285 on contentRank#285

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

>Not having the WiFi router in your room
Filthy casual

#63 - jinxter

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(04/23/2014)[-]

>Log in once
>Stay logged in.
>Pay tax once...

#65 to #63 - epicgerbo

Reply+3

(04/24/2014)[-]

you are the ******* future.

#76 to #63 - darkoblivion

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(04/24/2014)[-]

what if you don't live near the source of the wifi

#77 to #76 - jinxter

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(04/24/2014)[-]

#78 to #63 - collegedood

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

**collegedood rolled image**
tax is usually a percentage of how much of something you get.
So it would probably be a time/data multiplied by a stipulation, not an entry fee.

#50 - kevinipples

Reply+5

(04/23/2014)[-]

mfw i have a bunch of preppy white girls as friends and when they complain they just say "i will seriously murder someone"

#85 to #50 - xcoreyx

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(04/24/2014)[-]

> get a recording device
> "hey gals, wouldn't it totally suck if Obama made everyone charge people for public wifi?"
> "omaigawd yeah I would totally kill him I hate Obama"
> play last part of recording to the police
> stupid bitches go to jail

#15 - thomasleinan

Reply+5

(04/23/2014)[-]

**thomasleinan rolled image**

#8 - bashit

Reply-9

(04/23/2014)[-]

Actually, the Colonies (not states) paid hardly any tax. The other colonies and Britain paid 25 times more tax than the colonies. Also we defended them from the french during the wars with them as the colonists refused to defend themselves or serve in the army. And the war of independance would not have been won without the 30,000 troops from france. Considering Washington had a possible army of 250,000 and could only muster 25,000 makes you see just how little support there was for independance. When the war was won nearly half of the population of the colonies left and migrated to Canada..... litlte history lesson. They just didnt like that the East India company were allowed to start importing tea into the colonies. So the wifi argument that teacher used isnt anywhere near the same as the tea tax thing.

#28 to #8 - danster

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(04/23/2014)[-]

>colonists refused to defend themselves or serve in the army
That's a lie, they served under the crown. In fact, Britain's ****** battle tactics in that war helped push the colonist towards our glorious revolution.

#26 to #8 - mrmcput

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(04/23/2014)[-]

The American colonies had been allowed to function autonomously for decades with very little British interference. They elected their own officials, wrote their own laws, and set their own taxes. Then came the 7 years war and everything changed. Britain needed their war debt paid so they decided to take a more direct hand in American colonial affairs. They set taxes on things the colonists needed and sent 10,000 troops that were neither wanted nor needed, without even bothering to build barracks for them. They ordered the colonists to house them. While these things were dealt with by the colonists, the thing that pushed them over the edge was the removal of Massachusetts' colonial charter in response to the Boston Tea Party, and the replacement of their government with a royal governor. The other colonies saw this as a direct threat to their sovereignty. While many colonists supported the British, that just makes the rebels' victory more impressive. The French didn't give any support to the rebels until they saw that they were capable of winning the war on their own.

#113 to #8 - xxbandwagonxx

Reply0

(04/24/2014)[-]

Faggot can't handle the truth

#59 to #8 - playerdous

Reply0

(04/23/2014)[-]

"The other colonies and Britain paid 25 times more tax than the colonies."

"Historical Statistics of the US, and came up with a conversion of one pound sterling in 1770 = about $150 in 1998, with a shilling equal to 1/20 of a pound sterling, or twelve pence = $7.50 today; the average wage for an urban laborer was around 5 shillings, equivalent to about $40, per day.) In Britain, the tax amount worked out to about 26 shillings per year (say around 200 bucks)."
www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1594/percentagewise-were-taxes-greater-in-the-old-days-or-now

#57 to #8 - playerdous

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(04/23/2014)[-]

"Considering Washington had a possible army of 250,000 and could only muster 25,000"

"In the beginning of 1776, the army of Washington had 20,000 men wherein two-thirds of them were enlisted in the Continental Army and the other third were in the various state militias(dot) When the American Revolution in 1783 ended, both the Continental Navy and Continental Marines were disbanded(dot) There are about 250,000 men who served as regulars or as militiamen for the Revolutionary cause during the eight years of the war(dot) However, there were never more than 90,000 total men under arms in one single time(dot)"

I don't know what you're trying to say here but he mustered 20k at once, had 90k at max and had overall 250k supporting vs the 30-35k overall supporting loyalist(dot)

#55 to #8 - playerdous

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(04/23/2014)[-]

"Also we defended them from the french during the wars with them as the colonists refused to defend themselves or serve in the army."

"The opportunity to serve side by side with British regulars during the war gave many Americans a sense of pride and confidence. It is estimated that some 20,000 Americans fought with the British against the French and Native American opposition. "
www.sparknotes.com/history/american/revolution/section1.rhtml

#54 to #8 - playerdous

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(04/23/2014)[-]

"When the war was won nearly half of the population of the colonies left and migrated to Canada"

"So to be identified as a Loyalist was dangerous, meaning true numbers of Loyalists is not known, but an estimated 30,000 were either forced or decided to leave the thirteen colonies during the war and a further 70,000 left with the British troops when they evacuated held territory, in total about 5% of the population(dot) "

#10 to #8 - anon id: 9fd46d9c

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(04/23/2014)[-]

As a former colonist nation, Im gonna have to call ******** on "as the colonists refused to defend themselves or serve in the army" because my grandfather was in service to Britain for some 20 years of his life, even during WW2 he had even killed a few japs

#11 to #10 - hellfiazz

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(04/23/2014)[-]

I'm fairly sure he meant the Colonials in North America, no around the world. Everyone knows that the colonies helped Britain in WWI and II.

#13 to #11 - mrmcput

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(04/23/2014)[-]

He's still wrong. American Colonial forces served alongside British troops during the 7 years war.

#14 to #13 - hellfiazz

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(04/23/2014)[-]

I guess he is wrong then.

#25 to #14 - bashit

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(04/23/2014)[-]

I didnt mean ALL of them. I meant most of them. And yes the colonies such as India, Salom, New Zealand etc all had standing armies. The American colonies at the time of the way of independance had no official standing army.

#27 to #8 - Gewdaism

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(04/23/2014)[-]

The size of the army argument is ********, there were far more patriots than there were loyalists its just that the newly formed government was financially weak and had almost no credit. It was impossible for the Continental Congress to field a massive army, many colonists instead served in unpaid and locally organized militias that would fight along side Continental regulars at a minute's notice (Minutemen).

#12 - softcover

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(04/23/2014)[-]

USA vs England World Cup - Dodge Challenger Freedom Commercial