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User avatar #109 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
that's some deeeep shit, man. that means my kid, or even yours, could be the next in our fucking species. like, a fucking Klingon or some shit
User avatar #239 to #109 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
we ran out of space. also, cauliflower is supposed to help with cancer rates.
User avatar #114 to #109 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
more like, one tenthousandth of the line between next species and this one.
User avatar #116 to #114 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
your big words harm me, i have no idea what you mean
User avatar #118 to #116 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
there are hundreds if not thousands of generations between one species and the next on an evolutionary chain. each one carries on genes or mutates a teeny, tiny amount. the creature that gave birth to the first chicken was almost indistinguishable from the chickens themselves.
User avatar #120 to #118 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
oh i see, yeah that actually makes sense.
User avatar #122 to #120 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
cool, glad i could help.
User avatar #123 to #122 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
yes, thank you ^^. humor me for a second. what if a human lived for so long that eventually his own species began to dwindle? as in, say someone lives forever. 10,000 years later or something, he or she is pretty much the last one. how fucked would that be lol
#145 to #123 - pariahlol (01/31/2013) [-]
If a species were to evolve immortality through some method to stop the aging of cells, assuming that they do not die by some other means, two things would happen. First, he and all his offspring would be immortal. His offspring would continue to evolve in a way to prevent death by other means, so evolution would still take place. Still, it takes a long time (longer than 10,000 years). So, assuming he manages to live for upwards of a million years, yes, it is theoretically possible for him to see entire species that evolved from him.
I've always found it interesting to think of the very distant future. Not very much of our culture covers 1 million years from now, or billions of years from now when our earth itself is dead. At the exponential rate that our species is growing, and assuming we branch out to other planets and galaxies, then eventually our species will know no bounds, humans would not even know the extent of our own existence. The aliens that we dream of in this century, would in actuality be an extension of humanity. For example, say a distant colony is stranded and left for dead. Looking at our own history, it would only take them a matter of a few thousand years to redevelop their society to reach space. In their own little corner of the world they could evolve into a different species that looks very different from humans, or they could be humanoid (which provides a good explanation for aliens in Star Wars if you ask me). The wars of the distant future will not be fought by nations, but they will be fought by branches of humanity. And in this distant future, evolution could have gone in any direction, as much as our technology would have. Technology would be like magic to us, and evolution could be the same. Instead of a rich man buying his own island, he could buy his own planet, engineer dragons, elves, and all sorts of fantasy creatures, and then create magic for them to fight with. The WoW of the future could be real
tl;dr? The Future is cool....
User avatar #151 to #145 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
i like you. come, we will dream together.
#159 to #151 - pariahlol (01/31/2013) [-]
the more you sit there and think about the future, the more awesome it gets. Even if you think of the various routes evolution could take. Perhaps we will evolve to see more of the light spectrum, in which case we could potentially see things like ultraviolet rays, and gamma rays. However, they wouldn't appear as we know them, they would be a new color, something we cannot even fathom. Think of all the environments that we could adapt to and the results of such adaptations. Anything and everything is possible, and I mean that literally. I want there to be a book, or a tv show, or a movie that somehow touches on the distant future, the place we dare not go. Doctor Who has tried, but they barely do much with it. These are the things I think of in the shower, when I daydream at school, and when I go to sleep. My dreams are filled with other worlds, and places. If only i could remember the damned things, lol.
User avatar #163 to #159 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
god, i know that feel so dam well i might become it. the best part about all of this is that it's new territory. we would be the pioneers going and making history teachers oh so content. granted, i might not want to see gamma rays. instant DNA damage does not sound very enticing.
#170 to #163 - pariahlol (01/31/2013) [-]
This sounds bad, but i would be so eternally happy if somebody were to invent a guaranteed type of Cryo-Sleep. I would just want to be stuck in there, with my safety insured, and to be pulled out once every hundred or thousand years to get caught up on my history and technology and whatnot. I would ride that Cryo-Sleep chamber all the way to the Year 2.7 x 10^9
User avatar #175 to #170 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
im with you on that, maybe not for as long though. you run the risk of people not being able to revive you, or maybe they just wont want to. who knows. plus, you'd have a lot to catch up on. maybe like every century or some shit you should wake up, just to see what's changed and to not seem like a caveman to whoever thaws you.
#186 to #175 - pariahlol (01/31/2013) [-]
I feel like I could make it pretty far running simply off human curiosity. I mean, if we found a frozen caveman today who we could revive, wouldn't we thaw him? So, who's to say in 1,000 years they won't want to revive an 1,000 year old guy. As for the reviving thing, if they have a somewhat promising technique when I first enter it, then it's almost guaranteed they would have perfected it in 1,000 years. Think about it, in a thousand years, mankind rose from the darkages to space. And it's exponentially increasing, scientific discoveries occur at a much more rapid pace. For example, 5,000 years ago, wasn't too extremely different from 4,000 years ago, though 3,000 years ago was a bit more different, and with each milennia the rate at which we increase our technology increases, and it's gotten to the point where in one century we can evolve at an amazing rate. And when you see people born a couple decades ago being surprised at the technological development of that time, what will happen in the next century. I think we will achieve a lot, however due to population and motivation restrictions, I don't think it will be as far as some people present it. However, in 2 centuries? 3? 4? A thousand years? We could be out of the solar system in a thousand years. In a million we would have surpassed all we could dream of. In the future mankind will be the gods. Surely we would have evolved longer lifespans and great genetic strength. So, if I were to be awoken some distant time from now as a science project, perhaps technology could render me similar to them, perhaps in the future they could literally transfer memories as we transfer data on computers now. They just stick up a biological usb to my brain, and transfer me to my evolved body. And as we evolve, we grow smarter, and that even further increases the acceleration of our intelligence, to infinite bounds. When mankind has the power to break an atom apart, and reassemble it into a different element, imagine our power.
User avatar #194 to #186 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
Loads of power. Would have to be kept in check, though. Playing with atoms is no small matter... jokes and shit.

You gave me an interesting idea, though. Transfer conscious brain into virtual equivalent. That could be a way out of certain death induced by brain cancer. That being said, I wouldn't want to just hop bodies if I could help it. I like the one I'm in, thank you very much. Novelty and all that. Test tube bodies would just be boring. No differences between anyone, and you could be engineered to have a certain peak, that sucks big time. As for talk about the atom, though, I so hope that shit gives us something akin to magic. THAT, would be the tightest shit. Whole new field of study. Infinite applications, especially if we use in conjunction with technology. This needs to happen, this century. I am not content letting myself not experience any of this. We need to get money, start a business, and just fucking do this.
#205 to #194 - pariahlol (01/31/2013) [-]
Future Incorporated will be the name. We just research cool shit. Somebody asks us what, we say "you know, like magic and shit. We wanna make that with science".
It would be the most happening thing this side of mother earth. What I really want, is to set up a bank account with a measly cent in it, and then go into cryo-sleep for a million years. Emerge, the most rich bitch in the entire history of humankind, buy myself a solar system, make myself immortal, and specialize each planet in it's own theme. I'll have a fantasy themed planet, a futuristic themed planet, a steampunk planet, a 21st century war planet, a hunting planet, and any other planet i so wish to have. And then I just live out whatever I want. That's another thing in the future that would amaze me. In the past, there was always the option of Adventurer, just go around and do whatever the hell you want. It wasn't easy, but it was an option. Nowadays that's pretty much impossible. But in the future, you can literally be whatever you want. You like cowboys? Go find a cowboy planet. You like fantasy? Go Find a fantasy planet. Want to live like it's Valhalla, where you feast all day, and then you enter into battle through a genetically controlled clone-robot thing? Have at it. Want to live with a species that is both robot and organism, an organism where cells are composed of nano-bots and the entire thing is metal, yet organic? The Universe is your oyster, and you are the bard of your own existence. Do it. While, chances are I will never experience this amazing time period and it's glory, I do intend on going into videogame design, so perhaps one day you shall see a game pop out on the market that remind you of this, and perhaps it will be me behind the concept. I sure hope so. I must go to sleep, as it is an hour past when I should have gone to sleep. I bid you a good night, and a good day tomorrow.
User avatar #227 to #205 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
A good night and good day to you tomorrow, as well. I would love to see a game like that. Also, don't be so sure you won't be around to see it. Can't promise anything, but just know I've practically dedicated my life to making this happen or, at the very least, getting the ball seriously rolling. I learned in such a short time tonight that there are a lot of people who think the same things we think. Now we just need to organize them, and have each individual specialization work at what it's best at. It'll happen, time is the only unknown. At the end of the day, we will succeed because we want to, and because we believe that we can make it happen. I definitely hope this isn't the last I hear from you.
#249 to #227 - pariahlol (01/31/2013) [-]
And I hope I do hear more from you as well. Perhaps we could discuss this further elsewhere.
#146 to #145 - pariahlol (01/31/2013) [-]
I used literally every character available in that message. I could go on for hours about that.
User avatar #157 to #146 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
yes, i actually like talking about it too. it's become an obsession of mine to get the ball rolling on the necessary research.
User avatar #125 to #123 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
well if he lived forever (loneliness aside), breeding doesn't play an evolutionary purpose anymore. the whole point of it from a biological point of view is te ensure that the "self promising" deoxyribonucleic acid molecule (dna) survives indefinitely, even if it changes a little bit. if someone is immortal, that doesn't pose a problem.
User avatar #127 to #125 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
hooooo-weeee, that's some sick (in the good sense) shit right there. let's figure out to work that out, okay? you and me, research partners.
User avatar #129 to #127 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
i'm an engineer, not a researcher. i just know this stuff because i read a lot. i wouldn't be of any help.
User avatar #132 to #129 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
don't care, those are just details. engineer skill are arguably better here anyway. tell me, if you know anything about this that is, could nanobots be used to clear arteries without causing chunks of build up to block pathways? that's actually been an interest of mine, haven't figured out how to dispose of nanobots, but i suppose any start is a good one.
User avatar #134 to #132 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
yes they could, but not for 50+ years. i'm not a robotics engineer, but i know that when it comes to robotics, we are really terrible. the smallest robots are still far too large to fit in your bloodstream, even in the largest veins, and those robots are so simple that a high-schooler with a soldering iron could build them, with some time.
User avatar #136 to #134 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
dammit, that's like the last thing i wanted to hear lol. there's always something about technology not being where we want it, and by the time it is, we're old as shit and probably wouldn't benefit that much from it.

the reason i say all this is because, by keeping the pathways open, that could potentially slow the rate of damage to cells within the body, effectively giving us "more time". i still dont know how much DNA damage factors into this, but having unobstructed blood flow can't hurt.
User avatar #139 to #136 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
well, if you're looking for immortality, you may be surprised. there are some respected scientists who believe that we may achieve that within the century. after all, average life expectancy has doubled in the last century, and we're always advancing rapidly.
User avatar #142 to #139 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
shit, you always know what to say to make me feel all super and stuff. be mine 5evar. but that's actually really exciting. assuming that's true, my only regret would be not being able to share that technology with my parents, as much as they get on my nerves at times. i'm sure the people who came before us and made this all possible for us, wanted the exact same thing. bit depressing, but i'm not about to waste their efforts, know what i mean?
User avatar #144 to #142 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
yeah. of course, it's all theory, and there will always be certain diseases that will kill us. some types of cancer seem nigh incurable. also, nothing can save you from a bullet to the brain.
User avatar #148 to #144 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
and just like that, the magic is gone. poo on you, person. still, gimme immortality. we can deal with invincibility later. diseases suck too, we should make those suckers illegal. but really, i've my own theories about cancer treatments. i stress treatments, not cures. i've wondered if it would be possible to inject live viruses or something into cancerous growths to kill them. but then, what's to stop it from killing the host as well. quite the dilemma.

there's got to be something to it, though. cancer has to have some vulnerability. early detection works, but often times its neglected or is pretty hard to detect in the early stages anyhow. could've sworn i read once that the body has natural defenses against cancer, as in its white cells can target them. so clearly the body can identify them, now we just need to figure out how to make that work in our favor a bit more noticeably.
User avatar #152 to #148 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
well some types of cancer are curable. but think about it; cancer is your own tissue. you can't cure brain cancer without lobotimising yourself.
User avatar #153 to #152 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
or bone cancer. didn't even know that existed until relatively recently. i'll admit, brain cancer didn't even come to mind...that sucks. i don't suppose you would know if any gains have been made in that field?
User avatar #172 to #153 - shadowstepone ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
yes. even the tiniest advance in anti-carcinogens is celebrated like the second coming.
User avatar #179 to #172 - darudelink (01/31/2013) [-]
i keep seeing all over the place that blueberries, of all things, are practically super anti-carcinogenic weapons. i think the point was that something in blueberries helps in the body's maintenance of free radicals, which are surprisingly harmful left unchecked. i'm assuming the theory is roughly: less free radicals=less carcinogenic material in the body and overall goodness. i know what im buying next time i go out. that and cheerios. super nutrition new year's resolution is a go.
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