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User avatar #19 - ChIkEnRuLe (05/30/2012) [-]
Christianfag here who believes in evoloution... now that was a cool gif :D
#212 to #210 - ChIkEnRuLe (05/31/2012) [-]
mfw
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User avatar #216 to #212 - BroadSword (05/31/2012) [-]
On a more serious note. Im athiest, and i believe that everyone has the right to believe in whatever they please. However, i would think that evolution would disprove god? He apparently created the world for humans, but why would he go through the punctuated equilibrium of evolution in order to create us? That doesnt make sense to me, please explain your thoughts.

Going to be pelted in red thumbs from angry christians
#260 to #216 - devout feminist (05/31/2012) [-]
That's utterly absurd, you're building your idea around revealed theology, you're assuming that 'God' had to know that we were coming. Believe it or not, the Christian idea of God is but one of many, and evolution doesn't even touch upon that one.
User avatar #262 to #260 - BroadSword (05/31/2012) [-]
According to the bible, God created the universe for us, so of course he knew we were coming. What im confused about is why go through this elongated and gradual stages of evolution to do so? And on top of that create a world whos surface is 70% salt water
User avatar #217 to #216 - ChIkEnRuLe (05/31/2012) [-]
Yeah thats what i believe god gave us free will and if your a good person then you have as much chance as getting to haven as some very relgious person. I believe he does not dam someone on their beliefs but the action of their hearts. Hmm that is true it could disprove him. But like i said i believe god to be more of an architect figure, causing things to happen which create chain reactions, like the big bang he caused that but didn't create what happened after. So indirectly i believe he created man as i believe he gave the necessary surrondings for evoloution to succeed.

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User avatar #651 to #247 - ChIkEnRuLe (05/31/2012) [-]
Fair point... but a lot of the bible is mis-matched so i can't necessarily say that genesis is correct perhaps an entire chapter relating to evolution was lost. All i feel is that there is a higher entity without a shadow of a doubt.
#221 to #217 - BroadSword (05/31/2012) [-]
I was raised as a christian, but when i was 15 i started to question the ideology that was being preached by our local church, turned to the internet for extensive investigation after my religious teacher at school couldn't satisfactorily answer them. I live my life with good morals, not because if i dont some omnipotent being in the sky who already knows whether ill 'sin' or not will throw his 'loved child' into the fiery depths of hell, i live with good morales because i respect my fellow human being and entitlement to an enjoyable life.
User avatar #649 to #221 - ChIkEnRuLe (05/31/2012) [-]
Well good for... keep it up! we need more people like you
#451 to #221 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/31/2012) [-]
What are your definition of good morals? Those deemed by society as acceptable?
#691 to #451 - BroadSword (06/01/2012) [-]
The way in which i would like to be treated.

I dislike the way Christians say that they take their morales from the bible, but when someone says oh we dont follow that part of the bible anymore, how do you make that decision whether to follow that moral code or not? That just proves we have some moral code embedded within us or something to that extent. Its this mental gymnastics that christians have with the bible is what i find such an incredible flaw in the foundation of christianity. Most of Genesis is rejected now, but its upon this chapter that the christian faith is built upon.

How do some christians agree with gays and some disagree with gays, yet in the bible which they all claim to follow clearly states in leviticus chapter Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them'

The way in which christians disregard parts of the book in which the entirety of what they believe in is based upon is beyond me. Yet Christians say where do atheists get their morals? This is such a hypocritical statement as where do christians get the morals in order to take some of the bible but not the whole thing as a away to live their lives.
#696 to #691 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (06/01/2012) [-]
Well, Jesus came and fufilled the old testament, and as soon as I find the verse that says it, I will send it to you. There is another verse that says something along the lines of we will ignore the old testament rules that aren't restated in the new testament, except for sexual immorality, drinking of the blood of animals, and human sacrifice.
#697 to #696 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (06/01/2012) [-]
Also, did you not learn what was right and wrong from your parents, and the laws from society? Not everyone can follow their own code, that's how we get serial killers and rapists.
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#31 to #19 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/30/2012) [-]
Explain. Are you saying God did not create the world?
User avatar #36 to #31 - aldheim (05/30/2012) [-]
He's saying that evolution is a tool of god.
User avatar #203 to #36 - ChIkEnRuLe (05/31/2012) [-]
that is exactly what i meant thank you :)
#39 to #36 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/30/2012) [-]
Hmm. Then what would be the point of the story of creation? Or how would sin have come into the world?
User avatar #70 to #39 - wheresthefudge (05/31/2012) [-]
You have to be able to put things into perspective. The bible is a philosophy book, not a history book. The oldest stories in it are more than 2000 years old, there are going to be some errors. That doesn't diminish the philosophy of it though.
User avatar #42 to #39 - aldheim (05/30/2012) [-]
You can be Christian without believing everything in the bible.
#155 to #42 - kdeastab (05/31/2012) [-]
Doesn't the story of creation tell how original sin happened? Without the original sin, there's no fall. Without a fall, there's no need for redemption. With no need for redemption, there's no need for a redeemer. Seeing as Jesus is the redeemer, that pokes a bit of a hole in the entire basis of Christianity. This is why there are many religious people that reject evolution. About 43% of the United States population still reject evolution.
#45 to #42 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/30/2012) [-]
How do you decide what not to believe?
User avatar #213 to #45 - ChIkEnRuLe (05/31/2012) [-]
I believe the one thing that god gave us is freewill... no matter our choices... they are our choices and he won't condem you for not believing in him... in fact he probably would condem a religious man who did things wrong then an athiest who is a good person, because god hates hypocracy... i think...
#446 to #213 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/31/2012) [-]
No, we can't be saved by our works. Unless you happen to be a denomination that believes that.
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#188 to #106 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/31/2012) [-]
refer to the above comment
User avatar #46 to #45 - aldheim (05/30/2012) [-]
Don't ask me, I'm not Christian.
#47 to #46 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/30/2012) [-]
Then why would you say that?
User avatar #51 to #47 - aldheim (05/30/2012) [-]
Because it's true. I know a few people who are Christian but don't believe everything.
Hell, with all the bs in the bible, the only people who really believe all of it must be ******* retarded.
#54 to #51 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/30/2012) [-]
What do you consider B.S.?
User avatar #55 to #54 - aldheim (05/30/2012) [-]
Two of every animal in the world fitting on a boat springs to mind.
Everything about that story, actually.
Earth being 5000 years old.
The creation of life itself, in fact.
And half a dozen other things that we can now say for certain aren't true due to science.
#56 to #55 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/30/2012) [-]
So, you are saying that although God is all powerful, the story of noah is ridiculous? Also, how old do you believe the earth is, and what evidence do you have for what you believe is the creation of life?
User avatar #57 to #56 - aldheim (05/30/2012) [-]
I don't recall ever having said that god was all powerful, and if he was, he created the laws of physics, the least he can do is abide by them.
We as humanity know the Earth is older than that with a wide myriad of techniques, the most vague being common sense and the most specific being things like carbon dating.
We also know that humans weren't created as simply as the bible would have us believe, because we have fossils of animals that are, if you will, 'caught' between monkey and human, which no longer exist as animals today.
#191 to #57 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/31/2012) [-]
Don't you love how I get thumbed down for having a discussion? I never called you a fool or said you are wrong, I simply asked questions to receive answers. Luckily thumbs aren't important. Anyway, you can answer my questions if you want, or just move on if you are bored. I can always try and find information elsewhere.
User avatar #261 to #191 - aldheim (05/31/2012) [-]
Thumbs down = I disagree.
Apparently, the majority is on 'my side.'
A rare occurrence for me.
#447 to #261 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/31/2012) [-]
Or, you could just refute it. I disagree with you, but I thumbed you up for replying.
#59 to #57 - justthisonepost **User deleted account** (05/30/2012) [-]
How many of the fossils do we have that you described? Also you didn't say that God being all powerful was B.S., so that's why I brought it up. Additionally, does God have to follow rules that apply to things that are not of a higher power?
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#24 to #19 - devout feminist (05/30/2012) [-]
Dont hate me for saying this, but religion has nothing to do with evolution.
Sure, Super-christians don't like to believe in evolution because they believe god created man, but thats just an opinion.

In truth, like I said, religion has nothing to do with evolution.

On to my point: There is really no reason you had to type that youre a "christianfag".
User avatar #204 to #24 - ChIkEnRuLe (05/31/2012) [-]
Errrr i believe god created man indirectly... i believe god is more of an architect and places things in the world which cause chain reactions. Like the big bang, i believe god caused it to happen but he did not control what happened after entirely... i am a christian because i believe in christ and heaven and stuff however... i think Science and religion could work together.I believe much science as i believe much religion. Science is cool for explaining things. Religion is cool for hoping things :) that is all i have to say :)
User avatar #270 to #204 - pollux (05/31/2012) [-]
i love you
User avatar #252 to #204 - iisammehii (05/31/2012) [-]
I just don't understand how you can believe in something like that. I don't get it, what exactly is the point? Are you afraid of death? Do you need to know that there is someone better to go after death than just decomposing in the ground? If you believe God created the big bang and that evolution is one of his tools, what is the need for him? What is the purpose of this god? These things do not need an almighty creator.

Probably get red thumbs but I'm genuinely confused.
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