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#220 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
I can't give sympathy for someone that want's to kill themselves. I know depression is a serious thing, but in way too many cases its normally just look for attention. My psychology teacher said that most people that "attempt" suicide are just looking for attention and that's why they don't actually go through with it. I like this post because it is a good thing to think, but there are a lot of things to live for even if it doesn't seem like it.
#260 to #220 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
Your psychology teacher is an idiot.

OFCOURSE IT IS A CRY FOR ATTENTION, HUMAN CONTACT AND ATTENTION IS ONE OF THE NEEDS TO SURVIVE.

We have nothing without each other as human beings, there is nothing to live for, except from each other, and if someone lacks that, that someone is in the ******* void.

People that get depressed often have a lot of bad contacts or none at all. OFTEN, not always.

Killing yourself is the easy way out, and most people take the way of the least resistance.
#263 to #260 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
You called my teacher an idiot, then said he was right in the next line of words that you typed. People want attention for stupid things, and by that I meant the people that want to kill themselves just because their parents didn't get them the new Iphone. People attempt suicide when someone calls them ugly, or fat, and everyone blames it on bullying. Pretty much the suicidal persons thoughts are "I'll cause my self a lot of pain! that'll show 'em!" and it makes no sense to me that people will actually do that just so someone will tell them they shouldn't.
#367 to #263 - persseus ONLINE
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(05/25/2013) [-]
I don't want to be too preachy about this, but I think it's important that we, humans, when faced with other people whom are really suicidal, wether it's because of physical or mental factors, listen and try with our best efforts to understand them and their situation and tolerate it. Instead of throwing out judgements and blaming them for attemping to somehow pass on guilt feelings on to others. Of course this probably happens, but we can not treat the situation as if that is general rule.



#374 to #367 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
I agree with you, but so many people don't even try to get help before they attempt to end their life. I can be harsh with things, but that is how I handle certain things, and I know that some people feel like they have a good reason to commit suicide, but really, there is no right or good reason to do it. In my comments I'm talking about the people that want more attention than they already get, the ones that complain that they don't get what they want. People should just stop and think about how others have it worse sometimes, I think that would help people be discouraged from hurting themselves.
#382 to #374 - persseus ONLINE
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(05/25/2013) [-]
well, nothing else needs to be said, more than that I agree with what you just have written.
#383 to #382 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
Then it was nice to see what you think about all of this.
#369 to #367 - persseus ONLINE
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(05/25/2013) [-]
*the general rule
#268 to #263 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
People that want to kill themselves because their parents didn't get them the new Iphone... That's not depression, that is not the case here, those people are greedy and spoiled little ***** who are whining and bitching about everything because mommy and daddy would always buy them every thing they wanted.
When someone attempts suicide because people call them fat or ugly, that is a legit reason, that is exactly what I am talking about, those people become devoid of social contact, which is a human need.
Once someone tells a suicidal person not to do it, and shows some social contact, the suicidal person will not kill him/herself.
If I had the story about that Asian suicidal dude who didn't kill himself because he got invited to one party, I would link that right now.
#276 to #268 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
I'm sorry but I cannot agree that that is a legit reason for anyone to ever try to hurt them self. Its just words, and people shouldn't care about what everyone thinks about them, if they do then that's their own fault for letting some dumb insult hurt them.

People have friends and family, they choose to not tell them about any problems that are going on, then its too late and they make people feel like crap for not doing anything to help. Its selfish and pointless, its cowardly and just plain stupid for someone to expect everyone to just rush to their aid because some little 6th grader called them fat.
#287 to #276 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
And that is the exact thought process that makes other people depressed.
Say, you were not able to function correctly in crowds, you would say things that you don't think about and people keep calling you names for that, you do your goddamn best to beat that, to get a score, but it won't happen, people around you keep calling you names, what would you do? You would ******* go mad. And I know, I have been there, and I was lucky to move to another town when we did, because I was at the breaking point.

Of course, it goes against human nature to hurt yourself, but you have to know that without the positive contact people feel worthless, feel parasitic, and that is a feeling that destroys you emotionally.

When I was eleven years old I had a lot of trouble with everyone, I would be fighting at school every day, the fact that my parents are immigrants created a cultural difference between them and me, I had no one but myself, at least it felt like that. I stood in the kitchen, with the knife to my own throat and thinking about my life, about what happened thus far and if this was indeed the way to go. I thought about my mother, and thought how she would be without me, and came to the conclusion that she did love me, yet it wasn't enough, I thought of my father, who never was proud of anything I did or say, but yet I knew that he would be broken, but it still wasn't enough. Then the face of the girl I loved crossed my mind, yes I was so deep in love at that age, even earlier, she and I practically grew up together, and she was the only one that made me feel... wanted. I put the knife down, went to my parents and cried, told them everything that boiled in me this far and went into therapy, if not for that one girl, I would be dead.

I take it you haven't ever really been devoid of positive social contact for a long while.

Oh and my father not being proud of me? That has changed throughout the years.
#297 to #287 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
I know that there are plenty of people that have problems in life, and for many different reasons like bad parenting or just growing up in the wrong place. Its not the people that have the real issues that I am talking about, and no, I have never really had to deal with any major problems in my life, but the reason the things that have happened to me are not that major is because I kind of just shrugged them off as 'that's life' and moved on with things.

People are depressed because they are not accepted by others, but they try to get accepted by people that don't want anything to do with them, its like setting the bar so high that they fall every time they try to reach it, and each time its worse for them. I don't think that people should try to get others to like them, or to accept them, the only time that is necessary is when you are trying to get a job or a gig somewhere.

I'm sorry for what happened to you, it does sound horrible, and I have never had to go through something like that. Throughout my life I've lost friends and I don't think I've ever really gone through depression, nothing serious anyway, but I do know what its like to keep living because of someone I love, even though it didn't work out I might not be alive, for reasons other than suicide, if that person didn't keep me here.

Ending your life just because you're not well liked, or its difficult to handle situations is a really terrible reason, knowing that there is someone that loves you, even if its just one person, or maybe even an animal like a dog or a cat, is really a good reason to stay alive, things get better, and getting rid of yourself could possibly send someone else, or a lot of others into depression.
#298 to #297 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
And this is where we somewhat get on the same line, may I refer to my comment #255, if you look it up please.
#305 to #298 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
Well, its nice to offer help, and if people do talk to you then it'll probably help them a lot. People kind of just need to realize that there is a lot to live for, sometimes they're just too lazy or too negative to look for it.
#330 to #305 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
I bow now to you, I have had an amazing argument, I feel that you feel the same way.

May your path be prosperous.
#335 to #330 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
Mhmm.

I couldn't think of a better way to say bye.
#337 to #335 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
OH GOD, YES. Did you read the books?


**** this goodbye, let's keep on talking.
#340 to #337 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
No, I've only seen the movie. I like different kinds of books, mostly Stephen King novels.
#345 to #340 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
I tell you, the books, they are epic. The movie is good, but the books, all three of them just leave it to bite the dust. Seriously, the story is not finished after the movie.
Same goes for Eragon. Trust me and read them, you will love it and I finished one book a day. It did take a full day of reading tho.
#352 to #345 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
I don't have time for a full day of reading, but I can burrow the Hunger Games books from my friend, I'll give them a try someday. Right now I'm on another series book though, and there's 11 of them.
#353 to #352 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
Which? It sounds amazing already.
#356 to #353 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
The Legend of Drizzt. It is a very good series so far, but I'm only on the 4th one. Its a fantasy book, by the way.
#357 to #356 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
The Legend of Drizzt... It sounds interesting, I am going to look it up.

Fantasy novels are my favourite!
#359 to #357 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
Huh, I don't like fantasy much, but they are good books, each book isn't too long, give plenty of detail, and the author tells a great story, and it doesn't just stick on Drizzt the whole time.
#364 to #359 - moshthun
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(05/25/2013) [-]
Those are basic methods of writing to keep the tension up. I like to write myself, and dream of becoming a writer of bestsellers.

But I yet have to stick to writing, which is getting harder and harder as I am losing inspiration and keep having less time.
#365 to #364 - ellenrimbauer
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(05/25/2013) [-]
What kind of writing do you want to do? have you written anything yet? or started something?