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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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User avatar #317 - radkait [OP]
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It's 1 am, what am I doing with my life
Saiyan Facts is up: www.funnyjunk.com/channel/dragonball/Saiyan+Facts/GeRGLTr
User avatar #21 - comicexplain
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Goku would win; Superman has been shown to be swayed with ki/spiritual energy. It's why Ghosts can effect him so much more than mere flesh and blood. Ki, in of itself, is a special form of magic (Stated several times in Journey to the West, which Dragon Ball is based off of), which is a very prominent weakness. And although Supes knows many forms, and has mastered several martial arts, Goku has reached the paramount of martial perfection time and time again, to the point that he's remade the definition of 'the peak'.

I absolutely -adore- Big Blue. Set him up with just about anyone else, and he'd whoop their butts, most of the time without effort. But Goku, despite having similar origin stories and lives, is basically a natural anti-Superman. Although to assume he wouldn't need to go SSJ 1 is definitely folly; without being surrounded by a wall of ki (Which, funny enough, is what surrounds Superman, only it's a shielding aura instead of spiritual energy), Goku wouldn't be able to take three pulled punches from Clark.
User avatar #244 to #21 - titsandgtfo
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I wish I could thumb you down more.

You're so wrong.
#245 to #244 - bishslapper
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Being a cunt won't help prove him wrong, will it? And he's right, anyway.
#247 to #245 - titsandgtfo
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but seriously, you both are very wrong and should feel bad about how wrong you are.
User avatar #29 to #21 - psychonaut
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You're my favorite explain.
User avatar #35 to #21 - matamune
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However Superman from the silver era was retardedly powerful, so it really does hinge on the Ki powers are magic or not.
#93 to #21 - anon id: 60f91e1f
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Superman Prime 1 Million, all I need to say. And also this www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA
#270 to #21 - mysterykid
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I like the idea of Superman vs Dante.   
I'd like to think Dante would win because well, he's immortal, but maybe I could get your opinion if you have the time and this comment doesn't turn to cancer.
I like the idea of Superman vs Dante.
I'd like to think Dante would win because well, he's immortal, but maybe I could get your opinion if you have the time and this comment doesn't turn to cancer.
User avatar #314 to #270 - comicexplain
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Yikes. I'm afraid Superman would win that one; His ranged attacks arn't ranged enough. A few good blasts of Heat Vision would vaporize him hard.
User avatar #322 to #314 - mysterykid
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I'm afraid I must disagree as I feel Dante would be immune or at least largely unaffected by his heat vision. He'd just regenerate. I'm sure a few sparks of Devil Magic would send superman packing. What I like about Dante is that he has no real weaknesses that are addressed. Where as Superman has a few.

It would be a good fight none the less.

DC vs Capcom 2014 pls
#310 to #21 - anon id: 0392e062
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forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe Superman has been shown to move hundreds of times faster than the suede of light, which is way beyond Goku. Couldn't he just blitz Goku and punch hole in his chest faster then he can react?
User avatar #313 to #310 - comicexplain
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Writers sometimes get a little crazy with Supes powers. He can't pass the speed of light (Only the Flashes can do that), but even if he could, Goku's instant transmission would be able to bypass his bodies own limited speed.
#338 to #21 - anon id: 5479de5f
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You shouldn't be 'comicexplain'

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You'd know that Superman is the declared winner among comic and manga fans alike. The only people who are in dispute are casual fans of the anime.

DBZ gives one special element that makes this fight easy to calculate. Power levels. They also stress and label how powerful each Z-fighter is as they transform and transcend. Because of this, the strongest level Goku has ever been seen has been calculated. Likewise with Superman. Based on the Canon, Superman would make a joke out of Goku. In fact, screwattack.com did all this.

www.screwattack.com/news/final-analysis-superman-and-goku-w-power-levels

Quit now, pls
User avatar #37 to #21 - mhden
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I am not sure were i heard this .
But Goku can supposedly go even beyond all his SSJ forms with using Kaio-Ken .
Someone said the techniques don't conflict at all and the only reason Goku hasn't used is because he hasn't thought of it .(typical goku)
Thought this video shows him using SSJ1 and kaio-ken
Goku's Super Kaioken [SSJ KAIOKEN] [HD]

Goku can go SSJ4 , about 1,5 billion Power level . If he Kaio-ken's x2 , he is 3B .. Goku can Kaio-Ken x4 with ease 6B . He can even x10 and x20 for a theoretical of 30B .Something that they didn't show in the video.

That been said he still does NOT outclass superman ,like the video said , considering how Goku works that he lets his opponents reach max potential .Ermm .. yea ... we may have a problem . As long as goku doesn't let Superman reach the core of the sun he can wipe the floor with his face . Give Superman the Ultra steroid Sun buff and he outclasses everyone .
#109 to #37 - thephenakist
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Literally everyone knows that DBZ numbers, NO MATTER HOW LARGE! are meaningless. They're there just to give you a comparison between dbz characters, not to be compared to other characters. If you really want this to be as accurate as possible, you would need to get the creators of dbz to make a power level for superman, which is impossible because unlike goku who needs to charge his super saiyan superman just needs to sit in a sun.
#112 to #109 - thephenakist
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I'm agreeing with you for the most part, but they also seem to have forgotten phantom void. Should superman ever feel like he's unable to win a fight he always has that as a backup.
User avatar #38 to #37 - mhden
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The video i am talking about is #6 post.
User avatar #199 to #21 - hirollin
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the creator of dragonball describes the 3 type of ki or qi used in dragon ball universe. the main ki that goku uses is basically willpower/fighting spirit. that isn't magic.
User avatar #200 to #199 - comicexplain
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It's not magic by their logic, but in the DC verse, it would be! It might be a bit of a stretch, or hard to wrap your hands around, but what's true for one universe isn't nesisrally true for the next. It's actually very interesting, but in the end, the thing that makes Ki work in the DB universe (raw fighting spirit/intention) would push right past Clark's natural aura.
User avatar #206 to #200 - hirollin
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Superman is vulnerable to magic, that isn't magic. If he can take Shazams bolt repeated times and walk away with little more than slightly elevated heart rate than the energy bolts wouldn't be anything. Also, they are described as energy beams, not magic beams. You know who has energy beams? Every other DC super hero. Just the fact that they have always been described as a form of energy proves that. Ki isn't magic, its energy mental or otherwise. Don't they make a clear distinction between the two in DBZ universe? Didn't bibidi use magic to create buu?
User avatar #89 to #21 - plutobr
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Dragon ball establish a clear difference between ki and magic. Ki is part of the physical skills, it is even called "fighting power" some times. Magic in the dragonball universe is not related to ki, wizard like Babidi or Baba are the ones who know how to use it, not Goku.
User avatar #178 to #89 - comicexplain
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Magic in the DC universe works similar to how Ki in the DB universe operated, and Ki in the DC universe has shown to be linked to Magic as an alternative form. Screw Attack is awesome, but they were very wrong with this fight!
User avatar #195 to #178 - plutobr
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In the DC universe magic refers to subjects that usually originate from other-dimensional planes of conceptual existence that are considered "separate" from Earth and are thus considered "Supernatural" that have nothing to do with Ki.
User avatar #160 to #21 - badgerbaiting
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You may find this interesting. An analysis of who would win, coupled with a simulation of the fight and explanation.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA
User avatar #171 to #160 - pooplol
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too bad they used incorrect numbers for goku which threw off the simulation
User avatar #174 to #160 - comicexplain
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I've seen. And the decidedly not allow his weakness to ki sink in.
#81 to #21 - oenomaus
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alt. ending
User avatar #181 to #81 - comicexplain
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I love this.
User avatar #43 to #21 - angelious
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eh you neglect to mention in dbz verse ki =/= magic

also superman has tanked magical blows from far more stronger beings than goku without trouble(etrigan,black adam)


and you completely ignored the fact superman is about 100 times ftl with galaxy level durability and enough strength to split a planet in half with ease(not to mention heath vision) while goku can barely go relativistic speed and barely survive a planet busting blow in his strongest incarnation(ssj god)
#100 to #43 - adu
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heath vision
User avatar #119 to #100 - angelious
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touche.also the reaction here is somewhat different from what i imagined it to be :I
User avatar #120 to #119 - adu
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You were expecting Mike Tyson, weren't you?
User avatar #179 to #43 - comicexplain
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Neither Etrigan nor Adam have the power to destroy the world in a single blast, so I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there! There's countless arguments and counterarguments here,and please trust in me enough to know I've thought about them, too. The only reason Superman would win, would be due to plot armor!
User avatar #351 to #179 - angelious
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etrigan uses his magic to punch. he has punched supes to the moon from earth and supes hasnt given a ****.

black adam is one of the most potent magical villains in dc earth and superman goes h2h wih him all the time.the point i was making is that supes can tank magic pretty well
User avatar #172 to #43 - regius
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Goku and all most villains by DBZ are so powerful they can destroy planets with s single attack which is why goku and most protagonists try to direct attacks towards the sky or deflect enemies attacks towards space. While Supes does have the advantage of being able to breath in space Goku has the ability to instantly teleport anywhere rendering speed an pointless topic. Goku also has the major advantage of not ever actually dying and although he isn't much of a tactician like Supes can be because of his natural genius level fighting skills along with a broken-god level ability to grow stronger every time he's defeated he'd win the overall war. Of course it'd be a very long war as Supes can himself power up by getting different type of suns energy the reality (or imaginative theory i guess) is that Supes would probably dominate Goku for a while then a few fights later start struggling then a maybe 2-3 fights afterword would lose outright.
User avatar #352 to #172 - angelious
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dbz villains didnt go planetary till buu saga.(and i mean like ohk bust a planet) before that their only method of destroying planets was core destroying.


the speed is not pointless since goku can teleport all he wants but supes can move faster than he can think and the moment he decides to throw a punch goku wont even have the time to react.

and the "cannot die" is pretty moot since he always dies but is brought back via plotdevice. meaning no...goku would lose without plot armor
User avatar #84 to #43 - kousei
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You shush now, he said Supes was vulnerable to spirit energy. Ki is spirit energy no matter which way you look at is.
#196 - ilikeweed
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i'll just leave this here.
#312 to #196 - anon id: 0392e062
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Except superman' lifting strength is around 66,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons
#208 to #196 - plutobr
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I think he can lift a little but more than 100 tons
User avatar #251 to #208 - Masterpoda
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golden age superman is broken. but yes he can lift more than 100 tons.
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#223 to #208 - anon id: d568a13c
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I'm pretty sure that's not cannon
User avatar #212 to #208 - oyes
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you must have searched for the most far fetched superman comic out there.....

cause that wouldnt even work the chain would just rip through the planets or break....******* idiot sit down.
#236 to #196 - sventrain
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In a few other studies superman would win in multiple scenarios because superman has limitless power from our yellow sun. In no situation could Goku have won unless the sun was literally destroyed or they very far away from any yellow star.
User avatar #356 to #236 - ilikeweed
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well in that case i guess superman would win. but that's stupid though.
i never liked superman because he's pretty much unbeatable unless somebody has kryptonite. where's the fun if there's no room to be defeated? you just win all the time and you're stronger than literally anybody and everybody and no one's a threat. i just think it's really boring. even when he's being defeated it's always because of kryptonite.
#70 - thesticklebricks
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MFW Goku vs Supes in the content
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User avatar #143 - kafudamapla
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Dragonball >> DBZ
Opinions?
User avatar #345 to #143 - deathgaze
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Agreed. It was more realistic than DBZ with some focus put on stances and physical techniques rather than just on energy moves and super speed etc. The adventure and humour elements of the series are much stronger as well, also one of the main reasons I like it more is that the human Z-warriors and other human fighters were actually relevant.
#145 to #143 - captainganto
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marry me.
User avatar #146 to #143 - radkait [OP]
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Yep yep and Yep. Original Dragon Ball was better, no doubt about it.
User avatar #147 to #143 - Fjcf
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I cant disagree.
User avatar #149 to #143 - devilofscience
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Dragon Ball was better Bulma was more fun better looking and had more influence on the series, Yamcha and Krillin were serious threats, and Goku was a lot more interesting at the time in fact the only thing DBZ did better in my opinion was the amount of time they spent on Piccolo.
#272 - anon id: caa42f18
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What anime is this again?
User avatar #275 to #272 - radkait [OP]
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Dragon Ball Z. Pretty cool show although I prefer original Dragon Ball.
User avatar #279 to #275 - jackmanagan
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yea after dragon ball b & c i lost interest didnt know they got all the way to z tho
User avatar #276 to #272 - TheFixer
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death note
User avatar #278 to #272 - zumzizeroo
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Goku no Piccolo
#283 to #278 - mrsauce
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#54 - soydo
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There is a Match Up allready. And as much as I love Dragoball I have to admit it: Goku would lose. He is a sissy compared to Superman.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA
User avatar #57 to #54 - ghostninjaguy
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Can Superman destroy a planet and have good standards
User avatar #154 to #54 - mylazy
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www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman

Here is the thing that deydoca was talking about I think. Anonymoose put it in comment 144 too comment 6.
#58 to #54 - deydoca
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On the screw attack main site they said the results were inconclusive after going more in depth with Goku's character since there was even more factors to Goku than they originally thought (Wiz and Boom just read off a script they never do the tests or research themselves obviously) but they withdrew their decision and nulled it until they could find a more conclusive result
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Death Battle is a youtube channel that pairs up similar fighters and does an analysis of their personality, fighting ability, weapons, armor, etc. Whoever has better stats, or can trump their opponent decides the outcome of the match. Their longest video is of goku vs superman. pic unrelated
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA
#303 to #301 - greenpyro
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KAME!!!!!!!
#305 to #303 - greenpyro
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HAME!!!!!
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User avatar #56 - ninjagaiden
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Goku could destroy Superman easily. No need to go into detail. Superman is about as powerful as Freeza at his final form.
#63 to #56 - kathendight
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You do know that Superman has sneezed and literally destroyed the solar system?
#85 to #63 - lemortedemiller
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You know that Broly blew up 1/4 of the known universe with a single blast and Goku beat the dog **** out of him multiple times?
User avatar #72 to #63 - ninjagaiden
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You do know that Goku could just gather all the dragon balls and just wish Supermans powers away right? Goku also has the dragon radar so he would easily get the balls before superman. Also, instant transmission.
#75 to #72 - redblueyellow
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Yeah but then Goku wouldn't beat Superman by strength alone, and Goku would never do that. If they had a friendly sparring match, Goku would rather lose to Superman with powers then win by simply gathering the dragonballs.

Also, giving Goku the opportunity to gather the dragonballs gives him a huge advantage that isn't fair for Superman. If you want to play it that way you could just say they fight in a solar system that has a red sun and supes wouldn't even have powers so it would be even easier. But as I said before, Goku would only fight with his own strength and not be aided by the dragonballs.

I personally think Goku would win, or better put, I would like too see Goku win.
User avatar #79 to #75 - ninjagaiden
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The "goku would want to win with his own strength" argument pisses me off. He has, literally, won battles because of the Dragon Balls. He has won numerous fights with dirty tactics.

What Goku has is honor.

Goku is basically Superman without limits. I mean just think about that for a second...

Superman needs a yellow sun for all his powers, Kryptonite makes him deathly ill... Goku's only weakness is, theoretically, his family and friends. Which are all more powerful then 90% of the DC universe.

So yeah, without question, if I was Goku... I would just punch Superman into another solar system super far from any sort of sun and just whoop his ass. If he tried to escape instant transmission bitch. Also, while this is happening I would have tasked Gohan to retrieve the dragon balls just in case I needed to wish Superman human.
User avatar #83 to #79 - redblueyellow
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When in DBZ has he won with the Dragonballs? The only time I can think of, is when he uses it against kid buu to wish all the people of earth back to life for the spirit bomb. And technically, that wasn't even his idea, but Vegeta's. He doesn't use dirty tactics. Saying he uses dirty tactics and that he has honor is a paradox.

And Goku obviously has weaknesses. Unlike superman, he can die from a heart disease. He isn't practically impenetrable like superman. A sword or laser-eyes when he's not paying attention and he's dead. Battling too long in super sayian 3 form costs too much energy.

Look, I get that you want Goku to win, and I want that too, but you've got to be reasonable about superman's abilities.

And again, asking gohan to retrieve the dragonballs and then wishing superman to be human isn't fair and Goku wouldn't do that UNLESS Superman would seriously want to destroy the earth.

And you can't just punch superman into another solar system. If we're fichting in the dbz universe we can't even assume there is a red sun anywhere.
User avatar #87 to #83 - ninjagaiden
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Goku bites and shoots Kamehameha from his feet. Kinda dirty.

I was counting that wish. It's really the only one that helps him defeat someone. I don't care that it was Vegetas idea.

Goku would always notice a lazer beam. No question. He got Goku sense like Spider sense. Also he can sense power levels. He'd notice a large spike in power coming from his 6 oclock.

Goku is a God. End argument queue red super saiyan hair.
User avatar #92 to #87 - redblueyellow
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You can't just end the argument. The biting is hardly an effective tactic since it is only used so his opponent will let him go and for comic relief. Shooting kamehameha's from his feet is an ability, not a dirty tactic. Just because something is unexpected doesn't mean it's a dirty tactic.

"I don't care that it was vegeta's idea". Good way to counter an argument. If vegeta wasn't smart enough to come up with that idea, Goku would've died. Also, Goku isn't known for his smarts, so assuming he could come up with the idea of wishing supermans powers away is a long shot. And you'd have to consider if it is within shenron/porunga's powers to grant that wish.

He doesn't have "Goku sense". Yes, he can sense energy and could probably use that to avoid the lasers, but he doesn't have a built in goku sense.

Goku as Super Sayian God couldn't win from Bills, so assuming that form is all powerfull is just outright wrong. And in the fight with bills he could've used your master plan to gather the dragonballs and make bills powerless, but he didn't, so why would he do that with superman?
#235 to #92 - kez
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Just to let you know.

Shenron doesnt cast any wish.

He casts any wish within his power, which is the power of his creator at the time. So some wishes like removing powers from super strong people isnt possible for him, thats why it never happens, and why he cant just kill strong people as a wish
User avatar #104 to #92 - kjftiger
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I agree with your argument, but if the dragons wish is considered "magical" than it would definitely work on Superman, due to his vulnerability to magic. Other than that the fight could possibly go either way depending on the circumstances.
User avatar #99 to #92 - ninjagaiden
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I don't think the dragon balls work against Bills. Him being a god and all. I need to rewatch that movie, because I don't remember Goku losing.

I totally think it's within the dragons powers to turn Superman into a human.

I'm pretty sure Vegeta would be there during the fight between Goku and Superman. So would all the other Z fighters. They're all ways there. I'd bet money that Krillin would somehow die as well.

Goku is known for his smarts, he's just not mentally "quick". Goku is actually a genius. I couldn't cite you a specific episode, I just know he was assigned a task (in the original dragon ball anime) to complete a blacksmith puzzle. Some super hard rubiks cube kinda thing. It took Goku all day and all night but he figured it out and surprised whoever gave him the task. So yeah, Goku is smart. Not as scientifically smart as Superman but smart all the same.

If you want the truth... If this fight was an episode they wouldn't even fight. Somehow the dragon balls would be brought up and Superman could wish his entire planet back to life with all the inhabitants restored to life.

So Goku wins through pure virtue.
User avatar #102 to #99 - redblueyellow
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Goku loses most of his ssg powers very quick and can hold his own for a very short time against bills. However, in the end goku realizes he is no match for bills and admits it, thus effectively losing the battle. In the end everyone only survives because bills likes pudding.

I'm not saying goku is dumb, but other than the kamehamehafeet like tactics, ideas aren't really his thing. That's what vegeta is known for. And this is a fight between goku and superman. Not goku and friends vs the justice league. So even if vegeta was present, he would not aid goku in the fight in any way.

It seems to me that you rely on the dragonballs way too much. I can imagine that goku would use them if the earth really was in danger and it was his only option, but that's not the point here. The whole discussion is about who would win in sparring match. Is one of them strong enough to destroy the other? The dragonballs, kryptonite and red sun don't matter in this discussion, because it would give one of the contestants an unfair advantage. It's also very probable that superman could destroy at least one dragonball, thus making them useless.

However, I do think Goku could win. Not in terms of raw strength, since superman seems to posses an endless quantity of that, but in energy attacks. I believe that if goku could somehow use the spirit bomb or an extremely powerfull kamehameha, he would destroy superman in the same manner as kid buu and cell were.
User avatar #126 to #102 - ninjagaiden
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I'm only relying on the dragon balls because that's what I'd do.

I'm sure Goku would just laugh and be happy another strong person has showed up. I don't have to worry about Superman being evil either.

The only fair way to find a winner is to summon the dragon and wish that both of them were human. Then they can fight it out 1v1 without any advantages from alien origin. However, doing this will still render Superman at a disadvantage because Goku has been training his whole life and knows techniques to raise his power (kaoi ken). Superman would have non of this... Superman would still be big and strong, but I've never thought of Superman as a perfect fighter, you know, a Bruce Lee (goku) type. In this way Goku wins 10 out of 10

With powers in tact... I firmly believe that with one punch Goku could break Supermans neck.

I also hate Superman. I don't think he's cool at all. He's just an alien in the right solar system. On Krypton Krillin could beat him mercilessly.

Flying into a long dead universe just to sneeze? Yeah sorry, unless that long dead universe had a yellow sun (long dead universe so I'm assuming no yellow sun) he would have died instantly just from being in outer space. Linking up entire planetary systems via a giant chain so he can pull them into a better orbit? How obscene.

Here is my accepted version of Superman:

He is not as strong as the hulk. He does start out stronger though.
He is not as fast as the flash.
He cannot travel into the past (or future) using only his own power.
He cannot punch something so hard that it creates a supernova.
He cannot survive in space without a yellow sun close enough to empower him.

And finally... Superman was beaten to death by Doomsday... Basically a sentient diamond killing machine. If Superman is going to die to Doomsday, then he would die to Goku.
User avatar #335 to #126 - redblueyellow
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I actually believe Superman is stronger than the hulk, but that whole thing is uncertain.
I agree he is not as fast as the flash, on foot. Superman flight ability makes him faster in that area since, well the flash can't fly.
I agree with you on the punching and timetraveling thing, though I'm guessing that happened in the gold/silver age of comics when everything was more over the top and they gave superman alot of (weird) powers. I think most of those powers have been revoked now.
His powers aren't immediatly gone when he's not near a yellow sun, but it is true he can't survive for very long in space without his powers.

But wishing away both their powers? That just misses the whole point of the debate. It's about which powerfull alien would win because of all their powers and techniques.
User avatar #353 to #335 - ninjagaiden
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The dragon balls are a power and their alien. It makes the whole thing a lot more interesting if you ask me.

Superman is stronger than the Hulk... Until the hulk starts building up steam. It's possible for Superman to put Hulk down before he becomes too angry. That's the source of the Hulks powers. Infinite rage. Thor compares him to a god.

1v1, all powers intact, no outside interference... Just Goku and Superman out in a desert.

Goku is faster. (instant transmission. doesn't matter how faster Superman can fly or run. It takes TIME for Superman to do anything. Goku takes time out of the equation. So Goku is faster.)

Superman is stronger. Even a die hard Dragon Ball Z fan can see that Superman is stronger. There really isn't an argument here. Goku is DAMN strong though.

I'm not sure if Superman would be weak against the Ki Blasts the DBZ world is so famous for. They are not "magical" attacks. Ki is inner life force.

Goku is the better fighter. No question. Superman grew up being an indecisive pussy, hiding his powers and never being formally trained in his early years. I'm sure Superman learned to fight in the future... But Goku has been training and fighting since he could talk.

It would be a fight, that's for sure. I think SSJ2 form is all that is needed to defeat Superman.
User avatar #354 to #353 - redblueyellow
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I think in hand to hand combat, Goku has more techniques (although I believe Superman has been trained by Batman in hand to hand combat, but I don't think it really compares to Goku's skills) and therefore has an advantage in evading hits.
However, I think Superman in raw strenght would beat goku. Superman landing a direct hit on goku would do more damage than goku hitting Superman. This is also because I think Superman is more durable than Goku.
But I think Goku has en advantage with his energy attacks. I don't think Supermans invulnerability covers pure energy, so with a strong enough attack (spirit bomb) Goku could defeat superman like he did with kid buu or cell.
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User avatar #144 to #6 - anonymoose
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www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman

Screwattack were highly biased in that. Also, since that was made Goku has achieved a much stronger form.
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>Goku gathers dragonballs
>Asks for Kyrpytonite
>?????
>Dead superman
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Nah, don't think that would happen, since Goku doesn't do stuff like that.

Basically it would be pretty hard to establish the outcome. With instant transmission Goku has been seen going to Namek and even King Kai's planet in an instant. So it's way faster that the speed of light. Goku has great mastery of this, in the fight against a God of Destruction, he used it multiple times in the middle of battle, to move around.
Also, Goku is able to move fast enough on his own to be able to appear invisible, and with his transformations he becomes even faster. Basically in terms of base Speed, Superman probably has the advantage, however, using instant transmission, Goku would be faster.

It's things like that that make the fight between the two so unpredictable. Because in the DB universe, things are way different than things in the Superman universe. And that's what many people don't take into account.
User avatar #201 to #46 - plutobr
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>Goku
>Using the opponent weakness against himself instead of fighting them him in his strongest

Do you even Dragonball?
User avatar #340 to #201 - paraplegicdinosaur
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Goku isn't Vegeta.

Goku obviously wouldn't be using weaknesses like that if he wasn't in lethal danger, however the commonplace scenario is that they're fighting to the death. Since Goku has no known weaknesses (or at least nothing comes to mind) it would be ideal for Goku to use everything he could to win the fight. Only Vegeta ever really made the mistake of letting a villain/foe power up the point where he couldn't beat him.
User avatar #357 to #340 - plutobr
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Goku does it too, I can remember only one example tough.
During his fight with Frieza King Kai told him to finish Frieza before he made his final transformation or else he would be unbeatable and Goku replied with something like "Good! I want to fight him when he is most powerful" and let Frieza transform.

Here you go, life threatening battle, destiny of the universe in the table and yet he refused to use the enemy's weakness.
User avatar #358 to #357 - paraplegicdinosaur
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I primarily think Goku went into that thinking he was going to win no matter what, regardless if he used Frieza's weakness. That sort of resolve is common from Goku, where as Vegeta's what blind ignorance.