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Goku Facts Part 2. Thumb and Subscribe for more. Also making comics, so check those out when you get the chance. Goku Facts Part 1: /channel/dragonball/Goku+Fac

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User avatar #317 - radkait (05/14/2014) [-]
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#70 - thesticklebricks (05/13/2014) [-]
MFW Goku vs Supes in the content
User avatar #143 - kafudamapla (05/13/2014) [-]
Dragonball >> DBZ
Opinions?
User avatar #345 to #143 - deathgaze (05/14/2014) [-]
Agreed. It was more realistic than DBZ with some focus put on stances and physical techniques rather than just on energy moves and super speed etc. The adventure and humour elements of the series are much stronger as well, also one of the main reasons I like it more is that the human Z-warriors and other human fighters were actually relevant.
#145 to #143 - captainganto (05/13/2014) [-]
marry me.
User avatar #146 to #143 - radkait (05/13/2014) [-]
Yep yep and Yep. Original Dragon Ball was better, no doubt about it.
User avatar #147 to #143 - Fjcf ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
I cant disagree.
User avatar #149 to #143 - devilofscience (05/13/2014) [-]
Dragon Ball was better Bulma was more fun better looking and had more influence on the series, Yamcha and Krillin were serious threats, and Goku was a lot more interesting at the time in fact the only thing DBZ did better in my opinion was the amount of time they spent on Piccolo.
#196 - ilikeweed (05/13/2014) [-]
i'll just leave this here.
#312 to #196 - anon (05/14/2014) [-]
Except superman' lifting strength is around 66,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons
#208 to #196 - plutobr (05/14/2014) [-]
I think he can lift a little but more than 100 tons
#212 to #208 - oyes (05/14/2014) [-]
you must have searched for the most far fetched superman comic out there.....

cause that wouldnt even work the chain would just rip through the planets or break.... ******* idiot sit down.
User avatar #251 to #208 - Masterpoda (05/14/2014) [-]
golden age superman is broken. but yes he can lift more than 100 tons.
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#223 to #208 - anon (05/14/2014) [-]
I'm pretty sure that's not cannon
#236 to #196 - sventrain (05/14/2014) [-]
In a few other studies superman would win in multiple scenarios because superman has limitless power from our yellow sun. In no situation could Goku have won unless the sun was literally destroyed or they very far away from any yellow star.
User avatar #356 to #236 - ilikeweed (05/14/2014) [-]
well in that case i guess superman would win. but that's stupid though.
i never liked superman because he's pretty much unbeatable unless somebody has kryptonite. where's the fun if there's no room to be defeated? you just win all the time and you're stronger than literally anybody and everybody and no one's a threat. i just think it's really boring. even when he's being defeated it's always because of kryptonite.
User avatar #21 - comicexplain ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku would win; Superman has been shown to be swayed with ki/spiritual energy. It's why Ghosts can effect him so much more than mere flesh and blood. Ki, in of itself, is a special form of magic (Stated several times in Journey to the West, which Dragon Ball is based off of), which is a very prominent weakness. And although Supes knows many forms, and has mastered several martial arts, Goku has reached the paramount of martial perfection time and time again, to the point that he's remade the definition of 'the peak'.

I absolutely -adore- Big Blue. Set him up with just about anyone else, and he'd whoop their butts, most of the time without effort. But Goku, despite having similar origin stories and lives, is basically a natural anti-Superman. Although to assume he wouldn't need to go SSJ 1 is definitely folly; without being surrounded by a wall of ki (Which, funny enough, is what surrounds Superman, only it's a shielding aura instead of spiritual energy), Goku wouldn't be able to take three pulled punches from Clark.
#93 to #21 - anon (05/13/2014) [-]
Superman Prime 1 Million, all I need to say. And also this www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA
User avatar #244 to #21 - titsandgtfo (05/14/2014) [-]
I wish I could thumb you down more.

You're so wrong.
#245 to #244 - bishslapper (05/14/2014) [-]
Being a cunt won't help prove him wrong, will it? And he's right, anyway.
#247 to #245 - titsandgtfo (05/14/2014) [-]
but seriously, you both are very wrong and should feel bad about how wrong you are.
#338 to #21 - anon (05/14/2014) [-]
You shouldn't be 'comicexplain'

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You'd know that Superman is the declared winner among comic and manga fans alike. The only people who are in dispute are casual fans of the anime.

DBZ gives one special element that makes this fight easy to calculate. Power levels. They also stress and label how powerful each Z-fighter is as they transform and transcend. Because of this, the strongest level Goku has ever been seen has been calculated. Likewise with Superman. Based on the Canon, Superman would make a joke out of Goku. In fact, screwattack.com did all this.

www.screwattack.com/news/final-analysis-superman-and-goku-w-power-levels

Quit now, pls
User avatar #29 to #21 - psychonaut (05/13/2014) [-]
You're my favorite explain.
User avatar #35 to #21 - matamune (05/13/2014) [-]
However Superman from the silver era was retardedly powerful, so it really does hinge on the Ki powers are magic or not.
#270 to #21 - mysterykid (05/14/2014) [-]
I like the idea of Superman vs Dante.   
I'd like to think Dante would win because well, he's immortal, but maybe I could get your opinion if you have the time and this comment doesn't turn to cancer.
I like the idea of Superman vs Dante.
I'd like to think Dante would win because well, he's immortal, but maybe I could get your opinion if you have the time and this comment doesn't turn to cancer.
User avatar #314 to #270 - comicexplain ONLINE (05/14/2014) [-]
Yikes. I'm afraid Superman would win that one; His ranged attacks arn't ranged enough. A few good blasts of Heat Vision would vaporize him hard.
User avatar #322 to #314 - mysterykid (05/14/2014) [-]
I'm afraid I must disagree as I feel Dante would be immune or at least largely unaffected by his heat vision. He'd just regenerate. I'm sure a few sparks of Devil Magic would send superman packing. What I like about Dante is that he has no real weaknesses that are addressed. Where as Superman has a few.

It would be a good fight none the less.

DC vs Capcom 2014 pls
User avatar #37 to #21 - mhden (05/13/2014) [-]
I am not sure were i heard this .
But Goku can supposedly go even beyond all his SSJ forms with using Kaio-Ken .
Someone said the techniques don't conflict at all and the only reason Goku hasn't used is because he hasn't thought of it .(typical goku)
Thought this video shows him using SSJ1 and kaio-ken
Goku's Super Kaioken [SSJ KAIOKEN] [HD]

Goku can go SSJ4 , about 1,5 billion Power level . If he Kaio-ken's x2 , he is 3B .. Goku can Kaio-Ken x4 with ease 6B . He can even x10 and x20 for a theoretical of 30B .Something that they didn't show in the video.

That been said he still does NOT outclass superman ,like the video said , considering how Goku works that he lets his opponents reach max potential .Ermm .. yea ... we may have a problem . As long as goku doesn't let Superman reach the core of the sun he can wipe the floor with his face . Give Superman the Ultra steroid Sun buff and he outclasses everyone .
#109 to #37 - thephenakist (05/13/2014) [-]
Literally everyone knows that DBZ numbers, NO MATTER HOW LARGE! are meaningless. They're there just to give you a comparison between dbz characters, not to be compared to other characters. If you really want this to be as accurate as possible, you would need to get the creators of dbz to make a power level for superman, which is impossible because unlike goku who needs to charge his super saiyan superman just needs to sit in a sun.
#112 to #109 - thephenakist (05/13/2014) [-]
I'm agreeing with you for the most part, but they also seem to have forgotten phantom void. Should superman ever feel like he's unable to win a fight he always has that as a backup.
User avatar #38 to #37 - mhden (05/13/2014) [-]
The video i am talking about is #6 post.
User avatar #199 to #21 - hirollin (05/13/2014) [-]
the creator of dragonball describes the 3 type of ki or qi used in dragon ball universe. the main ki that goku uses is basically willpower/fighting spirit. that isn't magic.
User avatar #200 to #199 - comicexplain ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
It's not magic by their logic, but in the DC verse, it would be! It might be a bit of a stretch, or hard to wrap your hands around, but what's true for one universe isn't nesisrally true for the next. It's actually very interesting, but in the end, the thing that makes Ki work in the DB universe (raw fighting spirit/intention) would push right past Clark's natural aura.
User avatar #206 to #200 - hirollin (05/14/2014) [-]
Superman is vulnerable to magic, that isn't magic. If he can take Shazams bolt repeated times and walk away with little more than slightly elevated heart rate than the energy bolts wouldn't be anything. Also, they are described as energy beams, not magic beams. You know who has energy beams? Every other DC super hero. Just the fact that they have always been described as a form of energy proves that. Ki isn't magic, its energy mental or otherwise. Don't they make a clear distinction between the two in DBZ universe? Didn't bibidi use magic to create buu?
#310 to #21 - anon (05/14/2014) [-]
forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe Superman has been shown to move hundreds of times faster than the suede of light, which is way beyond Goku. Couldn't he just blitz Goku and punch hole in his chest faster then he can react?
User avatar #313 to #310 - comicexplain ONLINE (05/14/2014) [-]
Writers sometimes get a little crazy with Supes powers. He can't pass the speed of light (Only the Flashes can do that), but even if he could, Goku's instant transmission would be able to bypass his bodies own limited speed.
User avatar #89 to #21 - plutobr (05/13/2014) [-]
Dragon ball establish a clear difference between ki and magic. Ki is part of the physical skills, it is even called "fighting power" some times. Magic in the dragonball universe is not related to ki, wizard like Babidi or Baba are the ones who know how to use it, not Goku.
User avatar #178 to #89 - comicexplain ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
Magic in the DC universe works similar to how Ki in the DB universe operated, and Ki in the DC universe has shown to be linked to Magic as an alternative form. Screw Attack is awesome, but they were very wrong with this fight!
User avatar #195 to #178 - plutobr (05/13/2014) [-]
In the DC universe magic refers to subjects that usually originate from other-dimensional planes of conceptual existence that are considered "separate" from Earth and are thus considered "Supernatural" that have nothing to do with Ki.
User avatar #160 to #21 - badgerbaiting (05/13/2014) [-]
You may find this interesting. An analysis of who would win, coupled with a simulation of the fight and explanation.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA
User avatar #171 to #160 - pooplol (05/13/2014) [-]
too bad they used incorrect numbers for goku which threw off the simulation
User avatar #174 to #160 - comicexplain ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
I've seen. And the decidedly not allow his weakness to ki sink in.
User avatar #43 to #21 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
eh you neglect to mention in dbz verse ki =/= magic

also superman has tanked magical blows from far more stronger beings than goku without trouble(etrigan,black adam)


and you completely ignored the fact superman is about 100 times ftl with galaxy level durability and enough strength to split a planet in half with ease(not to mention heath vision) while goku can barely go relativistic speed and barely survive a planet busting blow in his strongest incarnation(ssj god)
#100 to #43 - adu (05/13/2014) [-]
heath vision
User avatar #119 to #100 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
touche.also the reaction here is somewhat different from what i imagined it to be :I
User avatar #120 to #119 - adu (05/13/2014) [-]
You were expecting Mike Tyson, weren't you?
User avatar #179 to #43 - comicexplain ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
Neither Etrigan nor Adam have the power to destroy the world in a single blast, so I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there! There's countless arguments and counterarguments here,and please trust in me enough to know I've thought about them, too. The only reason Superman would win, would be due to plot armor!
User avatar #351 to #179 - angelious (05/14/2014) [-]
etrigan uses his magic to punch. he has punched supes to the moon from earth and supes hasnt given a **** .

black adam is one of the most potent magical villains in dc earth and superman goes h2h wih him all the time.the point i was making is that supes can tank magic pretty well
User avatar #172 to #43 - regius (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku and all most villains by DBZ are so powerful they can destroy planets with s single attack which is why goku and most protagonists try to direct attacks towards the sky or deflect enemies attacks towards space. While Supes does have the advantage of being able to breath in space Goku has the ability to instantly teleport anywhere rendering speed an pointless topic. Goku also has the major advantage of not ever actually dying and although he isn't much of a tactician like Supes can be because of his natural genius level fighting skills along with a broken-god level ability to grow stronger every time he's defeated he'd win the overall war. Of course it'd be a very long war as Supes can himself power up by getting different type of suns energy the reality (or imaginative theory i guess) is that Supes would probably dominate Goku for a while then a few fights later start struggling then a maybe 2-3 fights afterword would lose outright.
User avatar #352 to #172 - angelious (05/14/2014) [-]
dbz villains didnt go planetary till buu saga.(and i mean like ohk bust a planet) before that their only method of destroying planets was core destroying.


the speed is not pointless since goku can teleport all he wants but supes can move faster than he can think and the moment he decides to throw a punch goku wont even have the time to react.

and the "cannot die" is pretty moot since he always dies but is brought back via plotdevice. meaning no...goku would lose without plot armor
User avatar #84 to #43 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
You shush now, he said Supes was vulnerable to spirit energy. Ki is spirit energy no matter which way you look at is.
#81 to #21 - oenomaus (05/13/2014) [-]
alt. ending
User avatar #181 to #81 - comicexplain ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
I love this.
#46 - juffs ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
>Goku gathers dragonballs
>Asks for Kyrpytonite
>?????
>Dead superman
User avatar #51 to #46 - radkait (05/13/2014) [-]
Nah, don't think that would happen, since Goku doesn't do stuff like that.

Basically it would be pretty hard to establish the outcome. With instant transmission Goku has been seen going to Namek and even King Kai's planet in an instant. So it's way faster that the speed of light. Goku has great mastery of this, in the fight against a God of Destruction, he used it multiple times in the middle of battle, to move around.
Also, Goku is able to move fast enough on his own to be able to appear invisible, and with his transformations he becomes even faster. Basically in terms of base Speed, Superman probably has the advantage, however, using instant transmission, Goku would be faster.

It's things like that that make the fight between the two so unpredictable. Because in the DB universe, things are way different than things in the Superman universe. And that's what many people don't take into account.
User avatar #201 to #46 - plutobr (05/13/2014) [-]
>Goku
>Using the opponent weakness against himself instead of fighting them him in his strongest

Do you even Dragonball?
User avatar #340 to #201 - paraplegicdinosaur (05/14/2014) [-]
Goku isn't Vegeta.

Goku obviously wouldn't be using weaknesses like that if he wasn't in lethal danger, however the commonplace scenario is that they're fighting to the death. Since Goku has no known weaknesses (or at least nothing comes to mind) it would be ideal for Goku to use everything he could to win the fight. Only Vegeta ever really made the mistake of letting a villain/foe power up the point where he couldn't beat him.
User avatar #357 to #340 - plutobr (05/14/2014) [-]
Goku does it too, I can remember only one example tough.
During his fight with Frieza King Kai told him to finish Frieza before he made his final transformation or else he would be unbeatable and Goku replied with something like "Good! I want to fight him when he is most powerful" and let Frieza transform.

Here you go, life threatening battle, destiny of the universe in the table and yet he refused to use the enemy's weakness.
User avatar #358 to #357 - paraplegicdinosaur (05/15/2014) [-]
I primarily think Goku went into that thinking he was going to win no matter what, regardless if he used Frieza's weakness. That sort of resolve is common from Goku, where as Vegeta's what blind ignorance.
#204 - hirollin (05/14/2014) [-]
If they were to "spar" they would win at different times. Superman has lost to Wonder Woman in sparing. He is undoubtably stronger, however that doesn't mean he will win every time. Same with Goku, you think he wouldn't be fine with losing a couple times? He would love it, that would mean he could learn new tactics and moves.

The real question is who would win a hotdog eating contest, Goku or The Flash?
User avatar #240 to #204 - chewiewhatawookie (05/14/2014) [-]
It depends. If the contest is who could eat the most hot dogs, Goku would win easily. His Saiyan anatomy allows him to eat an unbelievable amount of food; flash is only a human. However, if the contest was who could eat a set number of hot dogs the fastest, I would lean towards flash. Flash is fast as **** . I mean, REALLY fast. He even beat superman in a foot race, stating, ''Those were for charity, Clark.'' when superman mentioned he'd beaten him in previous races.
User avatar #243 to #240 - hirollin (05/14/2014) [-]
Everyone forgets that Superman wasn't going full speed in those races either. They have idle chat in most of them.
User avatar #249 to #243 - chewiewhatawookie (05/14/2014) [-]
Yes. However, I'm pretty sure they were both going full speed when flash beat him. I think.
User avatar #252 to #249 - hirollin (05/14/2014) [-]
Well if they were to have a race in the New 52 Flash would undoubtably win. The Flash has the speed force to suit every mary sue's needs. And the writers debuffed Superman so hard he is practically weaker than Batman. Superman also is inconsistent in the different comics he is in. Batman defies all physics and logic. Taking punches from Darksied and shrugging them off like they are nothing. I think it's insulting to the past writers who had superman win the race to just say "ha ha just kidding" That is decades of work tossed away.

The storylines of the New 52 are decent, but **** are there character development and limitations bad as **** .
User avatar #261 to #252 - chewiewhatawookie (05/14/2014) [-]
Batman taking punches from Darkseid, being able to jump 15 feet in the air, and dodging bullets with acrobatics just pisses me right the **** off. He's the one that doesn't have powers, the one that's supposed to use deception and cunning to win battles. And yet, some writers just decide to give him an off screen dose of super soldier serum. Idk, man. Maybe the times are a changin'. Maybe a super hero without superpowers just doesn't fit in with the rest of the dc universe and that's why the writers do it. It just bums me out thinking about it.
User avatar #253 - landartheconqueror (05/14/2014) [-]
goku would definitely win. hypothetically, he could just transport superman into another solar system with a different sun. boom, superman's powers are gone. unless i'm missing something with how superman's powers work
User avatar #259 to #253 - radkait (05/14/2014) [-]
Superman works like a solar powered light. Even without sun light he can still fight, but his energy can deplete, and eventually get weaker and weaker until his powers are gone. And when fighting he uses more energy so his powers would drain faster.

When he has the sun, he just keeps charging up and is basically invincible.
User avatar #262 to #259 - landartheconqueror (05/14/2014) [-]
wasn't it earth's sun that gives him powers, as opposed to krypton's sun, which is why he didn't?
User avatar #265 to #262 - radkait (05/14/2014) [-]
Well, it's any yellow sun. However Krypton's sun is a red sun if I'm not mistaken. So in his home planet, he would be powerless.
#266 to #265 - landartheconqueror (05/14/2014) [-]
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#268 to #253 - rimjobmcgee (05/14/2014) [-]
What you're missing is that Goku likes fighting people at their fullest, so would more likely transport Supes to a blue sun planet. Ki is considered magic though, so even then Goku could take him easily. The popular video on youtube explaining that Goku loses, limits Goku's speed at returning from Snakeway, which is around 1/10 what it is arriving on Namek, and far less than even SSJ1 much less SSJ3 or SSJgod
#271 - anon (05/14/2014) [-]
Ignoring the fact that goku could mop the floor with superman in a straight up slug fest, Goku can teleport, grab some kryptonite, teleport back, tiny energy beam, boom, superman's dead.
User avatar #286 to #271 - elbrysobrony (05/14/2014) [-]
Only problem is that Goku'd need to A) know about Supes's kryptonite weakness and B) know where to teleport to.
#218 - kinginyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
Well no 			****		 the comic-con poll favored Superman, it's mostly gonna be populated by people who prefer him. That's like asking the same question in an anime convention, Goku's gonna rate higher.
Well no **** the comic-con poll favored Superman, it's mostly gonna be populated by people who prefer him. That's like asking the same question in an anime convention, Goku's gonna rate higher.
User avatar #48 - gragasvlad (05/13/2014) [-]
DO THE MATCH UP
User avatar #52 to #48 - radkait (05/13/2014) [-]
Yea, think I will now. Everyone is saying Superman would win, but to be honest, things are to different between the two to get a proper conclusion. But I'll try my best to.
User avatar #61 to #52 - gragasvlad (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't like dragon ball but I think goku would win, the dragonball guys could destroy the moon easy enough when they where going to fight Vegeta.
#66 to #61 - mamenber (05/13/2014) [-]
Vegeta tried to destroy Earth with power level of 20,000 but Goku stopped him. Vegeta's already been fighting Goku for a while and was a bit weaker than Gohan in his monkey form (power level over 1,000x10). Because of this I think it's possible to destroy Earth with power level over 9,000. As stated in #37, his SSJ4 pl is 1.5B, but I think he's forgetting the fact that it's possible to use more powerful Kaio-ken when you are stronger (4 times for 9,000 power, over 10 times while fighting freeza (probably over 200,000)). But since he didn't think of that, he can go "only" up to 1.5B, which would probably be enough to destroy more than half a sun.
I'm sorry for my english
User avatar #77 to #66 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
He didn't forget to use the kaio-ken, he chooses never to use it because it would put too much strain on his body when he was in his super sayian state. I believe he says so himself during his fight with Pikkon, after which he does actually use it for a very short time. But that was supersayian 1, so 4 would put even more strain on his body, possibly destroying it outright.
#90 to #77 - mamenber (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't know much about filler characters, but Goku probably said that even in manga. Goku would use it if he felt like he had to though (for example his first fight against Vegeta).
BTW, I just realised that Picollo destroyed moon when his power level was less then 1,000. This means that to destroy the Earth, you would need power level less than 3,500. This would mean that Goku could probably destroy the Sun, and since Supermans energy comes from the sun, Goku would probably be able to overpower him. I am not sure about this, so correct me if I'm wong.
User avatar #94 to #90 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't think destroying the sun would benefit anybody, so i don't think Goku would do that. If he would actually be able to do it isnt clear. He did fire both cooler and baby into the sun and didn't destroy it. But it isn't clear if he used his full power.
However, we must also consider that the earth, moon and sun are all made up of different materials. The moon is just a rock, which wouldn't be difficult to break. The earth is bigger than the moon with a different core, but it has been stated that numerous characters could destroy the earth so I'll assume goke can too (easily).

However, the sun is made up of pure energy, so I don't know if a kamehameha on the sun would have the same effect as it would have on the earth. My guess is that the energy the sun produces and emits is too powerfull for an energybeam to destabilize and destroy. Also as if stated before, it would benefit nobody since the explosion alone would destroy everybody (seeing as piccolo died from the explosion the earth produces).
#96 to #94 - mamenber (05/13/2014) [-]
What I actually meant was that Superman gets his power from Sun (right?), and since he can't get more energy than the Sun has, it would be enough to prove that Goku can destroy the Sun, but you are right. Also, Picollo, while destroying moon, did not have time to charge his attack, so I guess that his power level was 400-800. That would mean that Goku could destroy moon, maybe even if it had two times more mass than Sun. Considering this, I think it would be draw.
User avatar #98 to #96 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
I think that goku, with an energy attack strong enough like the spiritbomb or a very strong kamehameha, could disintegrate (like cell or kid buu) Superman and win. I do not think he could beat superman to death, so Goku needs to rely on his energy skills.
User avatar #64 to #61 - radkait (05/13/2014) [-]
Yea, and Vegeta when he first came to earth, he could destroy earth (he was going to do that when he was losing). And that was way back at the start of DragonBall.
By the end, everyone was literally like 1 million times stronger than Vegeta was then. So they could probably destroy earth just by farting or something. They really powered everyone up to a point where they kept having to get even stronger and stronger enemies.
Like Broly who seemingly destroyed whole planets when he was still a kid. Or Buu who basically destroyed whole galaxies.


Basically what I'm getting at, is that at the end of Dragon Ball, all Z fighters (even Yamcha) could probably destroy a whole planet without breaking a sweat.
User avatar #65 to #64 - gragasvlad (05/13/2014) [-]
I think superman could do it, but just pointing his hand att it and blasting it from existance is not possible for him.
User avatar #67 to #65 - radkait (05/13/2014) [-]
Yea, in terms of sheer strength, Superman is stronger, probably could destroy a whole planet just by punching it.
But in DragonBall it comes down to abilities, energy beams and so on. That's what makes them so strong. Unfortunately most people just say, oh Superman is stronger so therefor he wins, when in reality it doesn't come down to that. There's many things to take into account.
User avatar #78 to #67 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
I think Goku could hold his own against Superman in terms of strenght for some time, but to actually win the fight he would have to use an energy attack strong enough to destroy Superman like he did with kid buu and gohan to cell.
#159 to #52 - anon (05/13/2014) [-]
use this to help your analysis.
www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman

oh and mamenber...I think that power levels are nonlinear....they move up exponentially. For example...a normal human has a power level of about 5 right...they can't do anything against bullets or what not. Kid goku had a power level of 10. He could catch bullets in air and even take one right to the skull...Far more than double the power of a normal human even though his power level was only double.
User avatar #32 - zoidz ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
[TFS] Goku and Piccolo Drive Cars They're the best drivers.
User avatar #144 to #6 - anonymoose (05/13/2014) [-]
www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-erred-goku-vs-superman

Screwattack were highly biased in that. Also, since that was made Goku has achieved a much stronger form.
#190 - waffenmia ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
I have created this image especially for this kinds of post superman vs goku
#291 to #190 - keybladewarrior (05/14/2014) [-]
That's funny, why did you post some faggot with a Sun in his hand?
That's funny, why did you post some faggot with a Sun in his hand?
User avatar #191 to #190 - radkait (05/13/2014) [-]
WHY THAT GOKU? PLZ NO, NOT THAT.
User avatar #56 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku could destroy Superman easily. No need to go into detail. Superman is about as powerful as Freeza at his final form.
#63 to #56 - kathendight ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
You do know that Superman has sneezed and literally destroyed the solar system?
#85 to #63 - lemortedemiller (05/13/2014) [-]
You know that Broly blew up 1/4 of the known universe with a single blast and Goku beat the dog **** out of him multiple times?
User avatar #72 to #63 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
You do know that Goku could just gather all the dragon balls and just wish Supermans powers away right? Goku also has the dragon radar so he would easily get the balls before superman. Also, instant transmission.
#75 to #72 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
Yeah but then Goku wouldn't beat Superman by strength alone, and Goku would never do that. If they had a friendly sparring match, Goku would rather lose to Superman with powers then win by simply gathering the dragonballs.

Also, giving Goku the opportunity to gather the dragonballs gives him a huge advantage that isn't fair for Superman. If you want to play it that way you could just say they fight in a solar system that has a red sun and supes wouldn't even have powers so it would be even easier. But as I said before, Goku would only fight with his own strength and not be aided by the dragonballs.

I personally think Goku would win, or better put, I would like too see Goku win.
User avatar #79 to #75 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
The "goku would want to win with his own strength" argument pisses me off. He has, literally, won battles because of the Dragon Balls. He has won numerous fights with dirty tactics.

What Goku has is honor.

Goku is basically Superman without limits. I mean just think about that for a second...

Superman needs a yellow sun for all his powers, Kryptonite makes him deathly ill... Goku's only weakness is, theoretically, his family and friends. Which are all more powerful then 90% of the DC universe.

So yeah, without question, if I was Goku... I would just punch Superman into another solar system super far from any sort of sun and just whoop his ass. If he tried to escape instant transmission bitch. Also, while this is happening I would have tasked Gohan to retrieve the dragon balls just in case I needed to wish Superman human.
User avatar #83 to #79 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
When in DBZ has he won with the Dragonballs? The only time I can think of, is when he uses it against kid buu to wish all the people of earth back to life for the spirit bomb. And technically, that wasn't even his idea, but Vegeta's. He doesn't use dirty tactics. Saying he uses dirty tactics and that he has honor is a paradox.

And Goku obviously has weaknesses. Unlike superman, he can die from a heart disease. He isn't practically impenetrable like superman. A sword or laser-eyes when he's not paying attention and he's dead. Battling too long in super sayian 3 form costs too much energy.

Look, I get that you want Goku to win, and I want that too, but you've got to be reasonable about superman's abilities.

And again, asking gohan to retrieve the dragonballs and then wishing superman to be human isn't fair and Goku wouldn't do that UNLESS Superman would seriously want to destroy the earth.

And you can't just punch superman into another solar system. If we're fichting in the dbz universe we can't even assume there is a red sun anywhere.
User avatar #87 to #83 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku bites and shoots Kamehameha from his feet. Kinda dirty.

I was counting that wish. It's really the only one that helps him defeat someone. I don't care that it was Vegetas idea.

Goku would always notice a lazer beam. No question. He got Goku sense like Spider sense. Also he can sense power levels. He'd notice a large spike in power coming from his 6 oclock.

Goku is a God. End argument queue red super saiyan hair.
User avatar #92 to #87 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
You can't just end the argument. The biting is hardly an effective tactic since it is only used so his opponent will let him go and for comic relief. Shooting kamehameha's from his feet is an ability, not a dirty tactic. Just because something is unexpected doesn't mean it's a dirty tactic.

"I don't care that it was vegeta's idea". Good way to counter an argument. If vegeta wasn't smart enough to come up with that idea, Goku would've died. Also, Goku isn't known for his smarts, so assuming he could come up with the idea of wishing supermans powers away is a long shot. And you'd have to consider if it is within shenron/porunga's powers to grant that wish.

He doesn't have "Goku sense". Yes, he can sense energy and could probably use that to avoid the lasers, but he doesn't have a built in goku sense.

Goku as Super Sayian God couldn't win from Bills, so assuming that form is all powerfull is just outright wrong. And in the fight with bills he could've used your master plan to gather the dragonballs and make bills powerless, but he didn't, so why would he do that with superman?
#235 to #92 - kez (05/14/2014) [-]
Just to let you know.

Shenron doesnt cast any wish.

He casts any wish within his power, which is the power of his creator at the time. So some wishes like removing powers from super strong people isnt possible for him, thats why it never happens, and why he cant just kill strong people as a wish
User avatar #104 to #92 - kjftiger (05/13/2014) [-]
I agree with your argument, but if the dragons wish is considered "magical" than it would definitely work on Superman, due to his vulnerability to magic. Other than that the fight could possibly go either way depending on the circumstances.
User avatar #99 to #92 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't think the dragon balls work against Bills. Him being a god and all. I need to rewatch that movie, because I don't remember Goku losing.

I totally think it's within the dragons powers to turn Superman into a human.

I'm pretty sure Vegeta would be there during the fight between Goku and Superman. So would all the other Z fighters. They're all ways there. I'd bet money that Krillin would somehow die as well.

Goku is known for his smarts, he's just not mentally "quick". Goku is actually a genius. I couldn't cite you a specific episode, I just know he was assigned a task (in the original dragon ball anime) to complete a blacksmith puzzle. Some super hard rubiks cube kinda thing. It took Goku all day and all night but he figured it out and surprised whoever gave him the task. So yeah, Goku is smart. Not as scientifically smart as Superman but smart all the same.

If you want the truth... If this fight was an episode they wouldn't even fight. Somehow the dragon balls would be brought up and Superman could wish his entire planet back to life with all the inhabitants restored to life.

So Goku wins through pure virtue.
User avatar #102 to #99 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku loses most of his ssg powers very quick and can hold his own for a very short time against bills. However, in the end goku realizes he is no match for bills and admits it, thus effectively losing the battle. In the end everyone only survives because bills likes pudding.

I'm not saying goku is dumb, but other than the kamehamehafeet like tactics, ideas aren't really his thing. That's what vegeta is known for. And this is a fight between goku and superman. Not goku and friends vs the justice league. So even if vegeta was present, he would not aid goku in the fight in any way.

It seems to me that you rely on the dragonballs way too much. I can imagine that goku would use them if the earth really was in danger and it was his only option, but that's not the point here. The whole discussion is about who would win in sparring match. Is one of them strong enough to destroy the other? The dragonballs, kryptonite and red sun don't matter in this discussion, because it would give one of the contestants an unfair advantage. It's also very probable that superman could destroy at least one dragonball, thus making them useless.

However, I do think Goku could win. Not in terms of raw strength, since superman seems to posses an endless quantity of that, but in energy attacks. I believe that if goku could somehow use the spirit bomb or an extremely powerfull kamehameha, he would destroy superman in the same manner as kid buu and cell were.
User avatar #126 to #102 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
I'm only relying on the dragon balls because that's what I'd do.

I'm sure Goku would just laugh and be happy another strong person has showed up. I don't have to worry about Superman being evil either.

The only fair way to find a winner is to summon the dragon and wish that both of them were human. Then they can fight it out 1v1 without any advantages from alien origin. However, doing this will still render Superman at a disadvantage because Goku has been training his whole life and knows techniques to raise his power (kaoi ken). Superman would have non of this... Superman would still be big and strong, but I've never thought of Superman as a perfect fighter, you know, a Bruce Lee (goku) type. In this way Goku wins 10 out of 10

With powers in tact... I firmly believe that with one punch Goku could break Supermans neck.

I also hate Superman. I don't think he's cool at all. He's just an alien in the right solar system. On Krypton Krillin could beat him mercilessly.

Flying into a long dead universe just to sneeze? Yeah sorry, unless that long dead universe had a yellow sun (long dead universe so I'm assuming no yellow sun) he would have died instantly just from being in outer space. Linking up entire planetary systems via a giant chain so he can pull them into a better orbit? How obscene.

Here is my accepted version of Superman:

He is not as strong as the hulk. He does start out stronger though.
He is not as fast as the flash.
He cannot travel into the past (or future) using only his own power.
He cannot punch something so hard that it creates a supernova.
He cannot survive in space without a yellow sun close enough to empower him.

And finally... Superman was beaten to death by Doomsday... Basically a sentient diamond killing machine. If Superman is going to die to Doomsday, then he would die to Goku.
User avatar #335 to #126 - redblueyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
I actually believe Superman is stronger than the hulk, but that whole thing is uncertain.
I agree he is not as fast as the flash, on foot. Superman flight ability makes him faster in that area since, well the flash can't fly.
I agree with you on the punching and timetraveling thing, though I'm guessing that happened in the gold/silver age of comics when everything was more over the top and they gave superman alot of (weird) powers. I think most of those powers have been revoked now.
His powers aren't immediatly gone when he's not near a yellow sun, but it is true he can't survive for very long in space without his powers.

But wishing away both their powers? That just misses the whole point of the debate. It's about which powerfull alien would win because of all their powers and techniques.
User avatar #353 to #335 - ninjagaiden (05/14/2014) [-]
The dragon balls are a power and their alien. It makes the whole thing a lot more interesting if you ask me.

Superman is stronger than the Hulk... Until the hulk starts building up steam. It's possible for Superman to put Hulk down before he becomes too angry. That's the source of the Hulks powers. Infinite rage. Thor compares him to a god.

1v1, all powers intact, no outside interference... Just Goku and Superman out in a desert.

Goku is faster. (instant transmission. doesn't matter how faster Superman can fly or run. It takes TIME for Superman to do anything. Goku takes time out of the equation. So Goku is faster.)

Superman is stronger. Even a die hard Dragon Ball Z fan can see that Superman is stronger. There really isn't an argument here. Goku is DAMN strong though.

I'm not sure if Superman would be weak against the Ki Blasts the DBZ world is so famous for. They are not "magical" attacks. Ki is inner life force.

Goku is the better fighter. No question. Superman grew up being an indecisive pussy, hiding his powers and never being formally trained in his early years. I'm sure Superman learned to fight in the future... But Goku has been training and fighting since he could talk.

It would be a fight, that's for sure. I think SSJ2 form is all that is needed to defeat Superman.
User avatar #354 to #353 - redblueyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
I think in hand to hand combat, Goku has more techniques (although I believe Superman has been trained by Batman in hand to hand combat, but I don't think it really compares to Goku's skills) and therefore has an advantage in evading hits.
However, I think Superman in raw strenght would beat goku. Superman landing a direct hit on goku would do more damage than goku hitting Superman. This is also because I think Superman is more durable than Goku.
But I think Goku has en advantage with his energy attacks. I don't think Supermans invulnerability covers pure energy, so with a strong enough attack (spirit bomb) Goku could defeat superman like he did with kid buu or cell.
User avatar #10 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
I'm gonna regret this but i feel the need to poke at the superman supporters. Think about it people, the ONLY thing superman has going for him is his straight physical ability and an occasional moment of cleverness. If you watch both series (or read) you would note even in base form Goku rivals superman at a basic physical level. Checking the power listings you would see Goku clearly has more energy based attacks with more kick plus some utility abilities. Though even removing powers Goku has the upperhand because supes is a brawler, no formalized style, he just swings and hopes to hit. Goku is a martial arts master, which could easily overcome whatever power difference exists between the two. Honestly, why the hell does everyone think superman's a god? Even if he were Goku has been known to hold his own against his universes equivalents of gods.

By the way, I'm not a fan of either series, had a time with each and now I'm just "meh" on both. This is just the conclusion based on what I know of each character.
User avatar #47 to #10 - OmegaZero (05/13/2014) [-]
I hate love to be that guy but superman isn't just a brawler he has been rained by batman and has learn a few kryptonian martial arts in his fortress of solitude. Not only that but supes is resistant to energy based attacks. They rarely show him doing anything but punching because it's kind of iconic. It's also hard to show aerial fight scenes in panel form. Plus supes is kind of an allegory to god. He has saved planets, destroyed plants, caused natural disaters and done so much other stupid stuff. At one point he hold a black hole in the palm of his damn hand. Now i like goku as much as the next guy and i think superman is the worst superhero of all time but i think out of 100 fights supes takes like a sold 95 of them. Not trying to be a dick just trying to inform
User avatar #8 - onewithpokerface (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku is incredibly powerful but he was designed with very clear cut limits. Yajirobe was needed to cut off Great Ape Vegeta's tail, Gohan had to defeat Cell in his fathers plaec, and the spirit bomb (the energy of every living human) was needed to kill Buu

Superman is literally "as strong as he needs to be"

No seriously. That's a quote from the man who created superman.

You can't expect to compare something that has a limit (Goku) and something that doesn't (Superman)

That obviously works in its own right for the DC series where they have characters that literally control reality at an atomic level, but its like pitting Fist of the North Star characters against Sailor Moon, totally different genre/universe and capabilities.
User avatar #11 to #8 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
these aren't totally different genres, they are actually really similar, and the universe... Yes Goku has clear cut limits in his own universe, and Superman is god tier in his own universe. That right there is what gives Goku the edge, his universe is alot more intense and unforgiving than Superman's. Take away the writer's intention and just stack the two up based on what we know of their abilities and it's not hard to see how Goku can so easily take down Superman.
User avatar #13 to #11 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
excerpt goku IS slower and weaker than supes...

and supes isnt even near god level.he is just a mid tier herald with goku being low tier herald.



User avatar #14 to #13 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
Gotta call shenanigans on that. Maybe if we count the Goku at the beginning of DBZ but even by the end of the Frieza saga Goku can move so fast that he seems to vanish. As for strength, I can't remember the saga but there is a moment where Goku flicks a guy through multiple walls, and we've certainly seen villains that can do more. This all is base form by the way. Now, even working under the assumption that Goku is to some degree weaker he cannot be a relative nerd to the jock Supes. So, given Goku's martial arts training for his entire life, and superman being a brawler, I'm pretty confident in saying the martial arts still has Goku stomping Supermans face into the ground.
User avatar #15 to #14 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
"so fast he vanishes" is nowhere near ftl. heck just about every tom dick and jerry in anime who move over 100km per hour "vanish"

as for strength biggest goku has that i can recall is jumping over mountains.superman can pull planets around and chop them into pieces with his fists..


and superman isnt a brawler he has defeaten numerous martial arts champions,knows numerous alien combat forms(including one that gives him slight precognition) and has been trained by the likes of batman(who would **** on goku in terms of martial arts combat)


and even if superman WAS brawler the speed and durability difference is too great. goku could not tank a planetary explosion from bill while he was a hundred times stronger than he has ever been while superman has tanked galaxy destroying blows.

also superman has ******** of haxes,most notably his heath vision wich is hotter than sun and can be used from being a surgial tool(lobotomy in ftl speed ftw) to encompassing entire planets(toasty)


goku is out of his class here.
User avatar #17 to #15 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
May I remind you that we're talking base form here? Also, sorry to say this but I'd give martial arts skill to Goku over Batman (tough for me to say because Bats is tied for favorite superhero)

Instant Transmission, all that needs to be said on the whole foot speed point

I'll grant you base form Goku can't quite do that chopping planets bit.

Goku has also mastered various martial arts styles, including alien, so we'll tack that up to a draw

Goku would not need to tank **** , he could deflect or dodge.

Surgical precision... maybe not, but Goku does has the spirit bomb, check that for a world destroyer.

Also we have neglected the difference between foot speed (which reminds me, superman takes a bit to hit FTL) and dexterity. Goku could certainly throw a punch faster than superman.

Superman simply doesn't have a chance.
User avatar #18 to #17 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
the super sayan god is only relativistic with planetary level durability feat.thats what i was comparing.and as for strength feat goku doesnt have that many hence why i took the mountain jumping.


for deflecting you need to have the durability to tank it.to dodge it he would need to have ftl reactions and speed atleast near ftl.goku has neither.


spirit bomb is not only just continental at its powerfullest but it only affects "bad people"

superman can tank all the way up to galactic level of destruction without trouble.

and no by feat wise nobody in dragon ball z would even go close to dc top tier martial artists(then again neither would batman considering some of the best martial artist humans actually go h2h with kryptonians)


and superman can fly from sun to back in less than 2 minutes while fighting a being who is almost as fast as him.and his reaction speed is top gear aswell. and he can run ftl thou inside a planet its not viable to do it since it would kill every living being in the planet thanks to friction.


also in terms of spirit bomb

heat of sun >>>>>>>>>>planetary(even thou spirit bomb isnt planetary)

and martial arts is not draw.goku wins it but only slightly and it wont help him much
User avatar #19 to #18 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
Okay, let me spell out something oh so clearly... Goku doesn't have feats of strength because when he pulls out his strength it is always relative to another fighter. Superman fights hordes so he can show off pretty easily, Goku rarely fights more than one opponent at a time and almost never more than 6. He easily knocks out all of earths strongest martial artists, you said yourself there are some that can toe-to-toe with supes. Considering the addition of energy based attacks in Goku's universe where it lacks in superman's (and the reasonable assumption that humans in both worlds have the same speed, strength, and skill caps) You kinda gotta wonder.

As for the spirit bomb, it has the potential to blow up the planet, King Kai pointed that out, Goku just has never needed to do that. As for that "bad people" we hit philosophy and say "bad" is relativistic.

BTW, we need to get off this foot speed thing, it only matters so much and you're skipping over the whole instant transmission thing. The key point in a fight is how fast you can punch/black and reset to throw another, seeing superman fight he always has a long windup behind his head, Goku has a quick shot and rechambers in significantly less time.
User avatar #20 to #19 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
1.feats are what determine powers(and for some extent powerscaling) NOBODY in dbz has shown the same level of strength,speed or durability as supes

2. dc universe is notably broken in terms of martial arts skills.as i said a normal human is able to go h2h againts a kryptonian,and that human is ranked lower than the dick in terms of martial arts prowess.also if you go by "in verse a x can defeat y and in verse b z has the same title as y meaning x can defeat z." would mean goku could defeat gods of dc verse who can destroy universes. so that doesnt really work

3.even if spirit bomb can blow up a planet it doesnt really matter a thing since supes can tank galaxy level explosions.

4.instant transmission isnt a combat speed feat,if you strech it its only a travel speed.
and superman can pretty much throw punches so fast that even to an ftl being like darkseid it appeared as if multiple supermen were pounding away at him meaning he can throw punches at ftl speed. and taking anything from the animated verse or movie verse and comparing it to comic book superman is dumb.


as for foot speed thing. he is ftl.


and no matter how you look at it you cant make superman into a bad guy in terms of spirit bomb
User avatar #22 to #20 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
Gonna start on that spirit bomb thing. To Darkseid Superman is bad. Relativistically, your enemy is always bad.

Back up to the feats, that is how we, the viewers, gauge power and power-scaling. Considering Dragon Ball has always focused on the small scale fights and has only every had proper sized opponents (you know, Goku doesn't fight beings as big as a building on a regular basis) the power scaling is derived from the history of the universe. Start Frieza, we get a decent determination of his power, then proceed marking how easily each fight is won. Harder, yeah, but gives you an idea of the motion upwards.

2. Sorry, can't grant that one, the limitations of something described as human has to be a baseline. Besides, you can't say "Superman is better because the humans that can go h2h with him are good enough to go h2h with Superman" (huge paraphrasing but you get the point)

3. already covered

4. If used fast enough it can get you to a better combat position. Not much is known about it considering he only uses it for travel but depending on what you can take with you, velocity pre/post, and other factors it could be turned into a combat technique. Again, with the punch speed I refer to the feats thing.

Now, I have to get off to an exam, I hope we can pick this up later. If not, it was fun and thank you so much for the excellent debate. I hope you have a great day.
User avatar #23 to #22 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
1.fine lets go with that.he throws spirit bomb,earth is destroyed,superman doesnt have even a scratch on him.now what?

2.no im saying superman is good in martial arts because the HUMANS are good.batman is among the top 5 strongest earth martial arts practicioner and superman has beaten him in h2h. and karate kid is a normal human being who nevertheless has had head to head fights againts kryptonians(powergirl,supergirl) without any assistance,and this guy is listed lower in terms of martial arts prowess than batman.

3.no its not

4. so your point is ftl combatant for some reason cant out manouver a subrelativistic combatant because the subrelativistic can throw a jab and teleport?
you do understand how big the speed difference here is?


and sure take your ball and go home
User avatar #25 to #23 - tacotrainone (05/13/2014) [-]
hey there, ive been reading this debate and to your number 2 comment, i thought i read something here (correct me if im wrong, i wouldnt consider myself an expert on the dc universe) that stated that batman did indeed beat superman in h2h fighting.

So if thats actually true, that assumes that batman is quick enough to dodge/block ftl hits, and hes a human

Goku is a saiyan which in terms of species is considerably more powerful than the average human, and is probably capable of reaching much higher standards of str/speed

We also cannot ignore the fact that Goku spends the great majority of his spare time training which he did throughout his entire lifetime

I honestly believe that goku could beat batman in h2h, and if batman can beat superman in h2h (still unconfirmed, if im wrong my point is moot) then wouldnt goku beat superman?

Just wanted to get in on the discussion
User avatar #26 to #25 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
1.batman himself is not able to beat superman in h2h combat without help from other factors. and no human is cabable of beating a kryptonian in h2h without some sorta ******* .what i did say is that a guy called karate kid was able to go h2h with a kryptonian(as in dodge punches and punch back)( but this kid knew how to use ki in extremely proficient way) and that guy was considered lower in terms of martial arts skills when compared to bats

and dc is broken fiction.its actually so broken its considered the strongest fiction ever written.same goes with the beings who inhabit it,and the "sayans are stronger than humans by default" doesnt really mean anything in there( cue karate kid yet again)

and if you made a top 100 martial artists in fiction based on feats and skills and so on, the top would be populate by either marvel universe characters or dc.


and even IF goku could beat batman in h2h in terms of martial arts skills it doesnt mean he can beat superman(unless you only mean martial arts,no superpowers,in that case it doesnt matter if goku is weaker than bats in martial arts since goku is still better martial artist than supes) since supes is just that much stronger faster and more durable.


and you seem like a nice guy so no need to be shy
User avatar #27 to #26 - tacotrainone (05/13/2014) [-]
Ok, im clearly outmatched in terms of knowledge and my opinion was swayed by the math and things i learned from that video in the comments of this content. Its clear that technically superman has an infinite power due to the story laid out by his writers, and is therefore undefeatable by goku, whos story is based around him finding his limits and breaking them, but he still has limits, while superman, as long as hes near the sun, lasts as long as the sun will, and there are nearly an infinite amount of yellow stars.

So basically i agree with you now
User avatar #28 to #27 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
if you mean the deathbattle one then dont believe that...their math is full of **** .

1.goku is not ftl and no feat shows him being able to tank planetary level destruction(like they claimed)

2. they made supes slower and less durable than he is.




also to add superman can actually live longer than the stars.in terms if he lives long enough he becomes supercharged and can survive indefinitely without any assistance,he also loses all his weakness and becomes an universal threat
#39 to #28 - kingultra (05/13/2014) [-]
But at like the very beginning of DBZ Vegeta used a Galick gun that he claimed was strong enough to destroy the earth and later on all throughout Dragon ball Z Goku is hit by attacks that far surpass that original Galick gun in power. Also comicexplain comment #21 raises some valid points as to why Gokus attacks would hurt Supes.
User avatar #41 to #39 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
i cant find the comicexplain comment...
User avatar #40 to #39 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
yeah dbz claims a lot of things.but those claims are not compatable with feats. foes that are supposedly millions of times stronger than frieza still cant destroy planets, brolyn who was claimed to destroy an entire galaxy at the start of the movie never showed that level of strength rest of the series. and then comes bill who is the strongest being in dbz and even he is only a galaxy level destroyer and still needs whiz help to travel ftl.
User avatar #82 to #40 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
Okay, hold on right there. Why the hell would they need to destroy the planet, Frieza the vengeful **** did out of spite but unless some villain more powerful then Frieza has said "I wish I could destroy this planet, but i don't have enough power" in a contextually relevant way, then shut up on the whole "they have to do it." Seriously man, use your head, Frieza can do significant damage with his basic attacks and can destroy a planet, proven true. A foe 1000 times more powerful than Frieza would pack 1000 times the punch, simple math. Yet you refuse to permit the contextual dialogue, when Vageta says the Galic Gun can destroy the earth, it isn't an empty set of words, it informs the viewer on the power Vageta possesses.

Also, the whole broken humans bit... YOU CAN'T BREAK HUMANS! Humans are the base line, a human is a human is a human, they are an unchanging base line in any show or movie that has non-human sentient life. You can't say one set of humans is stronger than another without some cross-dimensional standard to compare it to. Also, very important here, if there was a power difference DBZ human would be more powerful due to there abilities with Ki and straight durability. Which makes the fact that none of these humans hold a candle to Goku even more potent.

Now, would you kindly stop sucking Superman's super dick and admit it's not as clear cut as you think?
User avatar #117 to #82 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
yet beings like cell could only destroy a little less over than a city while going all out againts goku.and beings as powerful as broly who had no need to hold back could not destroy even a continent. and the strongest being in the universe was stated to be galactic. so yeah.



and as for humans.you dont seem to know what the term broken means,also dc humans have ki( for instance karate kid uses his to punch down buildings and such even thou he is just a human) and we were only talking about martial arts skills.


now would you stop sucking gokus dick and calm your butt. it is as clear cut as im saying it is
User avatar #182 to #117 - kousei (05/13/2014) [-]
sigh, **** it. I'm gonna go argue with a wall.
User avatar #350 to #182 - angelious (05/14/2014) [-]
take your ball and go home then :I
User avatar #73 to #40 - onewithpokerface (05/13/2014) [-]
okay i did not expect for this to hapen
User avatar #16 to #15 - angelious (05/13/2014) [-]
barely tanked a planetary level blow* my bad
User avatar #45 to #11 - krajan (05/13/2014) [-]
ok so im not going to reply clear at the bottom but a few extra factors goku has been shown taking energy from the sun it is canon that he can (lord slug movie and maybe a few other cases) plus in the cooler revenge movie cooler states hell just blow up the sun and if he could do that while being weaker then ss goku then I think goku could just blow up the sun and kill supes also from what I understand as well superman needs time to get to ftl speeds while goku can instantly get to light speed and fight in it as well (return of cooler has a light speed fight) not to mention ki attacks are a major factor since superman cant do **** to magic (if that counts as magick)
#59 to #8 - sprites (05/13/2014) [-]
superman in fact has a limit bro.
User avatar #74 to #59 - onewithpokerface (05/13/2014) [-]
Oh really?

Superman Prime
User avatar #342 - KillinTime (05/14/2014) [-]
every time someone screams "superman would win" purely on the basis that supes is invincible I laugh at their face and direct them to the many times superman has in fact died, no kryptonite.

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User avatar #344 to #342 - shunkahawolf (05/14/2014) [-]
wizard and boomstick did a death battle between the two and superman won.
User avatar #346 to #344 - KillinTime (05/14/2014) [-]
and it's wrong, even without going into the insanity that is GT goku would win hands down. supes is basically slow as balls compared to goku (takes superman a while to hit FTL. FTL has been normal in dragonball since well, dragonball). even batman has gone on record as saying wonder woman would probably beat superman in a straight up fight (and upon further research, wonder woman has indeed beat superman in a fight before. it's canon, google is your friend).
User avatar #333 - taintedangel (05/14/2014) [-]
Both would fight, be pretty evenly mached, then laugh it off cus they'd both be alien protectors of Earth and likely be drinkin' buddies afterward.

Supes would then likely induct Goku and his fellow fighters (Vageta, Piccolo, Trunks, Gohan, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha) into the JLA.
#339 to #333 - anon (05/14/2014) [-]
**** the JLA, goku would make superman a Z fighter
User avatar #341 to #339 - taintedangel (05/14/2014) [-]
Does it have to be an either or situation?

Supes would be an honorary Z Fighter and the Z Fighters would join the JLA or at least be their allies.
#343 to #341 - anon (05/14/2014) [-]
Ya I know I was just being playful I love both universes equally
#307 - anon (05/14/2014) [-]
It took Minato three years to master the Rasengan and Naruto got it within a week.
User avatar #316 to #307 - pandawarlord (05/14/2014) [-]
Naruto Never mastered it he still can't focus his chakra enough which is why he uses clones and other hands formed with chakra such is in his kumara mode to stabilize it.
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